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A Word of Warning to Christian Dominionists and Reconstructionists

Please don't try it. Cease even to think of it. We, your fellow citizens, who believe in freedom, liberty, equality before fair and impartial law, fairness and egalitarianism, will not allow you to turn this country into a theocracy. We will try and reason with you, debate you, help you to see the extreme error of your beliefs. We owe you that much at least, in our great democracy. You may think us weak, but you will be wrong.

For if you persist in trying to hijack the governments of this nation - local, state and federal - so as to remake this great land into a theocratic nightmare, we will destroy you: we will burn you out of your homes and businesses; we will shoot you down in the streets; we will march on and sieze the major cities and capitols across the land. We will make war on you until either you have surrendered or none of you are left alive. We know how to do this, because we are Americans too, and have done it before: to each other, to Germany, to Japan. You are not the only ones who can become ferocious in the pursuit of victory.

And after such a war? Assuming you were intelligent enough to surrender, there will be no great reconciliation as there was after the last Civil War. All of you will be offered two choices: exile or death. Because at that point we will have had enough of you, will want to be shut of you and your meanness and cancerous spirits for ever and all time. So in your multitudes you shall either leave forever or perish.
I pledge all of the above with my back, my heart and even my soul. I may lose the latter in helping to exact so terrible a cost from you, but at least I will win my country.

link:

http://wwwpolychom.blogspot.com/2006/05/word-of-warning-to-christian.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1635502/posts?page=51,22

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:D


Read the bold part-the left is full of hippies, addicts, and peaceniks, none of which ever made effective trigger pullers nor have they ever owned much in the way of firearms. For cryin' out loud all they do is try to take away ours.

When I read the bold part I spit DP all over my screen in laughter. I know you will too.


SO much for tolerance :D

heh.

Are you implying that they've lost it because some are considering this, or because some actually believe they could carry out that plan?

The moment one decides to categorize oneself as "left" or "right" is the moment that one has lost it.

Read the bold part-the left is full of hippies, addicts, and peaceniks, none of which ever made effective trigger pullers nor have they ever owned much in the way of firearms. For cryin' out loud all they do is try to take away ours.

Who needs guns to burn people out of houses when a can of petrol would do the job just as well? :D

Read the bold part-the left is full of hippies, addicts, and peaceniks, none of which ever made effective trigger pullers nor have they ever owned much in the way of firearms. For cryin' out loud all they do is try to take away ours.

When I read the bold part I spit DP all over my screen in laughter. I know you will too.

SO much for tolerance :D
The Left has lost it you say? I don't know what they lost, but I'm glad they finally regained their spine. I also suspect that these particular liberals are not the type who favour gun control. Yes, that's right. Not all liberals favour gun control.

HAHAHAHA!!! Let them fight, they're frigg'n pacifists, we'd beat 'em up in a heart-beat...beside, liberals don't own guns.:D

HAHAHAHA!!! Let them fight, they're frigg'n pacifists, we'd beat 'em up in a heart...beside, liberals don't own guns.:D
What makes you think liberals are pacifists any more than Christian fundamentalists would be bound by their "Thou shalt not kill" commandment?

HAHAHAHA!!! Let them fight, they're frigg'n pacifists, we'd beat 'em up in a heart-beat...beside, liberals don't own guns.:D
I like you... cos' of course you are joking:)

Yes, because Free Republic speaks for liberals everywhere. Such a great thread!

SO much for tolerance :D

It's been proven that liberals/leftists are as tolerant (or rather, intolerant) of other political positions as conservatives/right-wingers are.
Notwithstanding, the former is obviously far more tolerant of the diverse number of individuals that exist in the world than the latter.

So a single unknown blogger is the left, huh? :rolleyes:


As for the other slurs, let me remind you of something--of the many Iraq War veterans running for Congress this term, guess how many are Republicans? If you guessed zero, you're probably pretty freaking close. I certainly don't know of any, while I know of around twenty Democrats who are.

Besides, the myth of the Democrats being anti-gun is just that--a myth. Trust me, there are tons of gun-owning, rabid for hunting season Democrats out there.

This thread is like reading something like, "The sky is green, cars run on prune juice and dogs go 'meow,' therefore it's best to hunt for clams in the desert." You don't know where to start unraveling and not sure if it would be worth it...

Who needs guns to burn people out of houses when a can of petrol would do the job just as well? :D

Never heard of shooting people in the streets with gasoline.

The left should be more like the right.

Never heard of shooting people in the streets with gasoline.
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The Liberals should walk out on the Democrats and start something serious on their own if they wish to shed their powerlessness.

This was posted on freerepublic.com:



Wow! I didn't know anything the freerepublic.com posted was 100% representative of everyone in the world who someone like you could categorize as "left."

Know why I didn't know it?

Cuz it's not true.

This kind of stupid "hhurhurhurh the left is stupid" shit is the kind of lame childish thinking that leads to absolutely nowhere except a bunch of pundits and pundit-parrots yapping at each other about which side of the bread to put the fucking butter on. Get the fuck over it.

Read the bold part-the left is full of hippies, addicts, and peaceniks, none of which ever made effective trigger pullers nor have they ever owned much in the way of firearms.

Yeah. Cuz Stalin was such a hippie addict peacenik. Did I mention all of the Soviet Army was too? They sure couldn't pull triggers could they? Same with those Vietnamese. I'm glad no American ever died at the hands of a communist. That'll be a comfort to the families of anyone who ever died in Vietnam. "Vietnamese leftists couldn't shoot for shit," you'll say confidantly, wiping at your acne scarred face. "Your son was actually killed by spontaneous bullet-inside-torso creation syndrome."

Blah.

The left has lost it.
:confused: What is this "left" of which you speak?

Or is it just a gross generalization of a part of a political spectrum, based on a single individual's opinions?

:confused: What is this "left" of which you speak?

Or is it just a gross generalization of a part of a political spectrum, based on a single individual's opinions?
probably the second one... the same generalization people make of the "Right" when it comes to idiots like Pat Robertson, Fred Phelps, and any congressman that wants to put limits on Video Game Violence.

It's been proven that liberals/leftists are as tolerant (or rather, intolerant) of other political positions as conservatives/right-wingers are.
By references to obscure bloggers of course. :rolleyes:
I think the only people that read this kind of crap are the neocons trying to flame bait "liberals."

dammit this is what happens when we liberals lower our standards for membership. now how are we going to carry out our secret revolution against the rightist theocrats?

dammit, just dammit.

Who needs guns to burn people out of houses when a can of petrol would do the job just as well? :D

Apparently Americans require guns to prevent their cans of petrol being stolen from them. Strangely enough I have neither owned a gun, nor ever had a can of petrol stolen from me.

probably the second one... the same generalization people make of the "Right" when it comes to idiots like Pat Robertson, Fred Phelps, and any congressman that wants to put limits on Video Game Violence.

and, of course, making generalizations on the basis of widely known and followed figures within a movement is exactly equivalent to making generalizations on the basis of people nobody has ever heard of.

Yeah. Cuz Stalin was such a hippie addict peacenik. Did I mention all of the Soviet Army was too? They sure couldn't pull triggers could they? Same with those Vietnamese. I'm glad no American ever died at the hands of a communist. That'll be a comfort to the families of anyone who ever died in Vietnam. "Vietnamese leftists couldn't shoot for shit," you'll say confidantly, wiping at your acne scarred face. "Your son was actually killed by spontaneous bullet-inside-torso creation syndrome."

Blah.

Yes, see, this is what I was thinking. I am not very politically savvy. But wasn't Che Guevera "Leftist" too, and Castro?

probably the second one... the same generalization people make of the "Right" when it comes to idiots like Pat Robertson, Fred Phelps, and any congressman that wants to put limits on Video Game Violence.
If that were to be true, then the "Right" would have "lost it" a long time ago - maybe even before Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson put the blame for 9/11 on "the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way"

And then the centrists will probably "lose it" as well in about one year, two months, three weeks, two days and... oh, 14 hours. :p

But luckily, all of this is just BS.

The right went nuts long ago. All that country and western crap that they listen to.

<_<

>_>

Well, I disagree with the... extreme... nature of the declaration, I stand behind the intent.

When it all comes to a head, the pretence is stripped away, and the Christian Right finally makes that push to finalize America's move to a Theocracy, I and my leftist comrades will fight. We will fight hard. At the very least, we'll give them hell before they turn this place into Iran.

dammit this is what happens when we liberals lower our standards for membership. now how are we going to carry out our secret revolution against the rightist theocrats?

dammit, just dammit.
Liberals have a membership test? I thought it was just the neocons quoting some one and declaring them a liberal.

Liberals have a membership test? I thought it was just the neocons quoting some one and declaring them a liberal.

Yep, there's a test and a "Liberal Conspiracy Weekly" newsletter. Last week's main article was about needing to destroy religion because it tells us that having sex with young boys is wrong. Because, as the conservatives have so astutely figured out, all of us godless liberals are just like that.


One would think that with the Internet there would be less of these strawman type arguments. But I suppose instead of looking for what people of different viewpoints (the OP would probably say opposing viewpoints, but that implies a dichotomy that is absolutely false) are actually saying it's a lot more fun to read what other people on "your side" are saying about the "other side".

As someone said earlier, when you see everything in terms of "left vs. right" is when you've really lost it.

Yep, there's a test and a "Liberal Conspiracy Weekly" newsletter. Last week's main article was about needing to destroy religion because it tells us that having sex with young boys is wrong. Because, as the conservatives have so astutely figured out, all of us godless liberals are just like that.

Oh great. Now what do we tell our Illuminati masters?

'Sorry, but wallanochia foiled your evil child-molesting gun-stealing plan to establish an evil liberal regime!'

It reads like a transparent attempt at right-wing trolling. :rolleyes:

I don't see how the passage quoted in the OP is crazy at all.

By references to obscure bloggers of course. :rolleyes:
I think the only people that read this kind of crap are the neocons trying to flame bait "liberals."

Hey, self-proving politically-judgementaly dumbass, look at my sig.
It's been proven by dispassionate political scientists who have done research into the area. Not obscure blogs, highly respected U.S. Government/Politics text books. By the way, you just proved my point.

Oh great. Now what do we tell our Illuminati masters?

No, you tell them Fnord of course! What are you, a second circle initiate?? :rolleyes:

Oh, and there is no such thing as the Illuminati...

No, you tell them Fnord of course! What are you, a second circle initiate?? :rolleyes:

Oh, and there is no such thing as the Illuminati...

Ach, my low rank is revealed!

we will destroy you: we will burn you out of your homes and businesses; we will shoot you down in the streets; we will march on and sieze the major cities and capitols across the land. We will make war on you until either you have surrendered or none of you are left alive. We know how to do this, because we are Americans [too], and have done it before: to each other, to Germany, to Japan.

Maybe we should use this in a letter to the Iranian regime to convince them to give up nukes...

Liberals have a membership test? I thought it was just the neocons quoting some one and declaring them a liberal.
noooo the neocon thing is just a badge of honor

some day some nutcase on freerepublic will rant about something *I* say. its like getting an award.

Heh. That's some serious ranting.

It just goes to show that there is equal bigotry on both sides of the political fence. I can't believe that these very people who believe in themselves as 'radical' separatists, can exhibit this type of prejudice and hate.

People are so incredibly biased. Well, it's human nature, what can you do about it?

I read various blogs and other 'zines on a daily basis, and I have no doubt that some hardcore Left lunatic wrote that. Plenty of them do feel that way. Having said that, though, we of the Right also have to admit that we have our fair share of hardcore nutcases as well.

From what I've seen, about twenty percent or so of the US population qualifies as a certifiable nutcase. (By nutcase, I mean a person who is firmly convinced of the rectitude of his position, whether by God or by Gaia, will not listen to opposing views, and that all who disagree with him in any way are idiots, stupid dupes, or just plain EVIL.) That's ten percent of the extreme Left, and ten percent of the extreme Right. Both sides have them.

Most of the rest of us in the "middle", for lack of a more exact term, are, I believe, reasonable people. We are willing to concede that the other side of the debate may well have some valid points, and we're willing to engage in honest debate. Who knows? Maybe we'd even learn something from each other once in a while.

I consider myself a right-wing conservative, I believe there's a God-given right to keep and bear arms, I am not in favor of a blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants, but if some nutcases started a rebellion to impose a so-called Christian theocracy on this country, I'd fight it with every breath in my body. So, I think, would most of y'all.

Hey, self-proving politically-judgementaly dumbass, look at my sig.
It's been proven by dispassionate political scientists who have done research into the area. Not obscure blogs, highly respected U.S. Government/Politics text books. By the way, you just proved my point.
I'm sorry, who is holding these people up as the beacons of the "liberal" side? Oh, yeah, not "liberals" but people like you.

Most of the rest of us in the "middle", for lack of a more exact term, are, I believe, reasonable people. We are willing to concede that the other side of the debate may well have some valid points, and we're willing to engage in honest debate. Who knows? Maybe we'd even learn something from each other once in a while.

It's a shame that the other twenty percent is in charge, eh?

Well, I disagree with the... extreme... nature of the declaration, I stand behind the intent.

When it all comes to a head, the pretence is stripped away, and the Christian Right finally makes that push to finalize America's move to a Theocracy, I and my leftist comrades will fight. We will fight hard. At the very least, we'll give them hell before they turn this place into Iran.


Yeep...and a bunch of my fellow conservatives / Republican / Libertarians / Average Americans..will be passing out the ammo and loading up the weapons for nice little gathering to send any idiot Theocracy advocate on a field trip to hell .

You do not have to be left / liberal/ center / right / conservative to value freedom .

Just an American...or for that matter a human being ..

"We find these truths to be self evident...all men are created equal ..etc. "

The pacifist can be our medics .

Sometimes it certainly seems that way, doesn't it? I believe that's why the Democratic Party is in so much trouble right now...and the Republican Party doesn't seem to be that far behind them.

Get out and vote. The average voter turnout is pathetic. I don't care if you vote left or right, Republican, Libertarian, Democrat, or Constitutionalist. You owe it to yourself and your country.

If we don't fix the problems, who will? If we just leave it to the radical fringes of our respective leanings, whose fault is it really?

It's a shame that the other twenty percent is in charge, eh?

It reads like a transparent attempt at right-wing trolling. :rolleyes:Well, since it's trolling, you could always lock it. ;)

The moment one decides to categorize oneself as "left" or "right" is the moment that one has lost it.

Very well said. This just goes to show there are as many moronic psychos on the left as there are on the right. Extremsits of any kind are automatically WRONG.

Very well said. This just goes to show there are as many moronic psychos on the left as there are on the right. Extremsits of any kind are automatically WRONG.

You are working on the assumption that it is solely collective opinion which determines who is right, yes?

Yeah. Cuz Stalin was such a hippie addict peacenik. Did I mention all of the Soviet Army was too? They sure couldn't pull triggers could they? Same with those Vietnamese. I'm glad no American ever died at the hands of a communist. That'll be a comfort to the families of anyone who ever died in Vietnam. "Vietnamese leftists couldn't shoot for shit," you'll say confidantly, wiping at your acne scarred face. "Your son was actually killed by spontaneous bullet-inside-torso creation syndrome."

Economically, communists are left, but often, politcally and socially, they're far-right.

You are working on the assumption that it is solely collective opinion which determines who is right, yes?

Wrong. People who cannot see past their own noses, who shout hatred and insist that their point of view is the only one that is correct no matter what are wrong. Those who believe they have the right to judge and act a certain way because their "god" tells them to, and without taking into consideration and dismissing differing points of view are wrong.

When you take an ignorant, closed, miopic view of the world without any consideration or want for understanding of different points of view, and when you take what one person, book, philosophy, or religion as the ONLY truth, you are automatically wrong.

In order to claim you are correct, you must consider ALL points of view, arguments, evidence, and intelligently weigh them against each other to find a solution. The burden of proof is on you.

Example: I say the sky is red. I don't care if YOU say its blue or if I can see for myself that it is blue. I don't care how others feel about it and I don't care what science says either, the evidence does not matter. My god/religion/president/master says the sky is RED and I believe it. Does that make me right?:rolleyes::headbang:

This was posted on freerepublic.com:

*snip the clearly wigged-out crap*

Read the bold part-the left is full of hippies, addicts, and peaceniks, none of which ever made effective trigger pullers nor have they ever owned much in the way of firearms. For cryin' out loud all they do is try to take away ours.

When I read the bold part I spit DP all over my screen in laughter. I know you will too.


SO much for tolerance :D
Wow. You actually believe that freerepublic.com is a mainstream site of any Left, Liberal or Progressive movement? If you really believe that this tripe is in any way an accurate reflection of Left-wing orthodoxy, you're worse than the site you quoted.

It strikes me as trollish to trot this stuff out. It's no more representative of the Left than KKK or other White/Christian/Neo-Nazi combination websites are representative of the Right. I get a big kick out of how loony those guys are, but I'd never post it here as emblematic of Republican/Conservative ideals.

C'mon, grow up.

This was posted on freerepublic.com:

A Word of Warning to Christian Dominionists and Reconstructionists

Please don't try it. Cease even to think of it. We, your fellow citizens, who believe in freedom, liberty, equality before fair and impartial law, fairness and egalitarianism, will not allow you to turn this country into a theocracy. We will try and reason with you, debate you, help you to see the extreme error of your beliefs. We owe you that much at least, in our great democracy. You may think us weak, but you will be wrong.

For if you persist in trying to hijack the governments of this nation - local, state and federal - so as to remake this great land into a theocratic nightmare, we will destroy you: we will burn you out of your homes and businesses; we will shoot you down in the streets; we will march on and sieze the major cities and capitols across the land. We will make war on you until either you have surrendered or none of you are left alive. We know how to do this, because we are Americans too, and have done it before: to each other, to Germany, to Japan. You are not the only ones who can become ferocious in the pursuit of victory.

And after such a war? Assuming you were intelligent enough to surrender, there will be no great reconciliation as there was after the last Civil War. All of you will be offered two choices: exile or death. Because at that point we will have had enough of you, will want to be shut of you and your meanness and cancerous spirits for ever and all time. So in your multitudes you shall either leave forever or perish.
I pledge all of the above with my back, my heart and even my soul. I may lose the latter in helping to exact so terrible a cost from you, but at least I will win my country.

link:

http://wwwpolychom.blogspot.com/2006/05/word-of-warning-to-christian.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1635502/posts?page=51,22

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Read the bold part-the left is full of hippies, addicts, and peaceniks, none of which ever made effective trigger pullers nor have they ever owned much in the way of firearms. For cryin' out loud all they do is try to take away ours.

When I read the bold part I spit DP all over my screen in laughter. I know you will too.


SO much for tolerance :D


Typical leftist blog. So what?

Wow. You actually believe that freerepublic.com is a mainstream site of any Left, Liberal or Progressive movement? If you really believe that this tripe is in any way an accurate reflection of Left-wing orthodoxy, you're worse than the site you quoted.

It strikes me as trollish to trot this stuff out. It's no more representative of the Left than KKK or other White/Christian/Neo-Nazi combination websites are representative of the Right. I get a big kick out of how loony those guys are, but I'd never post it here as emblematic of Republican/Conservative ideals.

C'mon, grow up.
He should have been clearer--it was a quote from a blog post that was reprinted on the Free Republic, no doubt so the mouth-breathers there could react as the original poster did.

No, you tell them Fnord of course! What are you, a second circle initiate?? :rolleyes:

Oh, and there is no such thing as the Illuminati...
This post does not exist.

He should have been clearer--it was a quote from a blog post that was reprinted on the Free Republic, no doubt so the mouth-breathers there could react as the original poster did.
Of course he should have been clearer. That's an old Neocon ploy -- take something out of context and quote it as Liberal boilerplate.

HAHAHAHA!!! Let them fight, they're frigg'n pacifists, we'd beat 'em up in a heart-beat...beside, liberals don't own guns.:D

So you support christian facsism?

Because that's basically what your saying. Dominionists and Reconstructionists are crazy assclowns who believe in stoning people...they are nuts...

Besides I'm a liberal and my motto has always been, "I got a vote and I know how to use it...and if that don't work I got a gun and I know how to use that too."

Not all liberals (read freedom-loving people) oppose gun control and not all liberals are pacifists.

I'm certainly not.

I'm with Lewis Black:

"The Democrats are the party of no ideas. The Republicans are the party of bad ideas. Here's how it works: a Republican will stand up and say 'I got a really bad idea!' -- and then a Democrat will stand up and say 'and I can make it shittier!'"

However, I will say this: should there ever be an attempt at a blatant theocracy in my country, THIS "tree-huggin', pinko-commie, liberal" will lock and fucking load. "Can't shoot", my ass.

Economically, communists are left, but often, politcally and socially, they're far-right.

I won't argue; this just shows the idiocy of pasting everyone with a sticker that says "left" or "right" on it. And even breaking it down to economic-left or social-right is too simplistic. The only thing it does is serve to divide people.

So you support christian facsism?



Besides I'm a liberal and my motto has always been, "I got a vote and I know how to use it...and if that don't work I got a gun and I know how to use that too."



Its shoot out at the OK corral when your candidate loses then?

Yeah. Cuz Stalin was such a hippie addict peacenik. Did I mention all of the Soviet Army was too? They sure couldn't pull triggers could they? Same with those Vietnamese. I'm glad no American ever died at the hands of a communist. That'll be a comfort to the families of anyone who ever died in Vietnam. "Vietnamese leftists couldn't shoot for shit," you'll say confidantly, wiping at your acne scarred face. "Your son was actually killed by spontaneous bullet-inside-torso creation syndrome."

Blah.

You win the internet.

So... is it okay for me or wrong for me to find this funny just because I think it's a funny post?

Typical leftist blog. So what?
Apparently this guy is on the rightwing's Leftist membership committee.

Apparently this guy is on the rightwing's Leftist membership committee.

Who me? I dont like committees. Too disagreeable.

Seems to me that this thread is an excellent example of hipocrisy.

The socialists and marxists will go ape when people such as so called "Right winger" Fred Whelps spew anti-homosexual propaganda, it is capitalized on as an "example" that "OMG! TEH NE0CONS HATE HOMOS3XUALS!1!11!!! TEYRE SO INT0LERANT!"!!111!!2211!!!!!

The person who wrote the article to the effect of "We will shoot you, we will burn your houses down" etc is most commonly found on DU.com. He is a minority, and I do not fear him. He wouldn't make it to the gas station with the intent to burn down your usual conservative's home.

He's welcome to try however. I have a large woodchipper and a map of every pig farm in the south.

That is all.

Seems to me that this thread is an excellent example of hipocrisy.

Well, yeah. For example yours.


The socialists and marxists will go ape when people such as so called "Right winger" Fred Whelps spew anti-homosexual propaganda, it is capitalized on as an "example" that "OMG! TEH NE0CONS HATE HOMOS3XUALS!1!11!!! TEYRE SO INT0LERANT!"!!111!!2211!!!!!


Pardon me, but pretty much everyone goes ape when Fred Phelps does his piss-on-everybody act. You think I must be a marxist or socialist if I object to his "GOD HATES FAG" shit? Get a clue, man. I'm a free market capitalist.


He is a minority, and I do not fear him.

Yeah, I mean it's not like he has white skin.

Well, yeah. For example yours.

What?



Pardon me, but pretty much everyone goes ape when Fred Phelps does his piss-on-everybody act. You think I must be a marxist or socialist if I object to his "GOD HATES FAG" shit? Get a clue, man. I'm a free market capitalist.

Hardly-he assumes that the US is doomed in Iraq and that God is somehow punishing us for allowing gays in the military. I beg to differ.

Yeah, I mean it's not like he has white skin.

I don't care what skin he has, he's a hoon and a traitor, even if he claims to be a pastor.

The socialists and marxists will go ape when people such as so called "Right winger" Fred Whelps spew anti-homosexual propaganda, it is capitalized on as an "example" that "OMG! TEH NE0CONS HATE HOMOS3XUALS!1!11!!! TEYRE SO INT0LERANT!"!!111!!2211!!!!!

who needs phelps when we've got people that actually are part of the mainstream right and have actual followings saying things just as crazy and evil? often as invited speakers at major republican fundraisers, where the other speakers include the vp, rnc chairman, and senate majority leader, no less.

who needs phelps when we've got people that actually are part of the mainstream right and have actual followings saying things just as crazy and evil? often as invited speakers at major republican fundraisers, where the other speakers include the vp, rnc chairman, and senate majority leader, no less.

Stop makin' crap up.

Stop makin' crap up.

you would prefer i move on to talking about the interracial dating policy (up til 2000ish, even) at a 'university' that all of the major players on the right are buddy buddy with?

What?


You're a hypocrite. You make fun of people who generalize from Phelps to talking about "neocons," but you yourself are babbling like a lunatic about the "left" being a bunch of "addicts" and whatnot.

So you were correct when you said this thread is a good example of hypocrisy. Yours. ;)


Pardon me, but pretty much everyone goes ape when Fred Phelps does his piss-on-everybody act. You think I must be a marxist or socialist if I object to his "GOD HATES FAG" shit? Get a clue, man. I'm a free market capitalist.

Hardly-he assumes that the US is doomed in Iraq and that God is somehow punishing us for allowing gays in the military. I beg to differ.

Uh. Beg to differ on what? What you said doesn't seem to have any bearing on anything that I wrote.


I don't care what skin he has, he's a hoon and a traitor, even if he claims to be a pastor.

Are you talking about Phelps now, or the writer of the article in the OP?

Do you need sleep or something?

Seems to me that this thread is an excellent example of hipocrisy.

The socialists and marxists will go ape when people such as so called "Right winger" Fred Whelps spew anti-homosexual propaganda, it is capitalized on as an "example" that "OMG! TEH NE0CONS HATE HOMOS3XUALS!1!11!!! TEYRE SO INT0LERANT!"!!111!!2211!!!!!

No one takes Fred Phelps seriously as an example of mainstream conservative thought. He's a loon. However there's other people voicing similar and just as hateful opinions who are respected in the US right.

That said, no one wants to shoot normal conservatives, at least not until they try implementing a theocracy, at which point anyone supporting it is open season. Or at least openly commiting treason. ;)

Now, personally, I wouldn't support either the capitalist democrats or the theocrats, it's kind like picking between being beaten to death, or being beaten and raped to death.

I will point out the old Jeffersonian phillosophy on the matter. When the government no longer serves the people, it is the job of the people to overthrow it. Many on both of the Left's extremes embrace that part of Jeffersonian policy. That said, this guy is a loon and advocating violent revolution while democratic means remain is an act of complete hypocrisy. If the democratic construct were broken down (which is to say, the vote was either removed or invalidated by intimidation and ballot-stuffing), then I think most Americans would be standing by this guy (or not, since most appear to be cowards).

The left has lost it.
Great! So the left and right are equal! THE LEFT IS TRIUMPHANT! *Throws a parade*

Sorry, I'm a little bit crazy today. But as the Petshop Boys said: "Go Left, life is peaceful there..."

Your all freakin' insane! Man, bloody politics! The argument always ends up the same old way, Righties assuming everyone liberal is a stereotypical "leftie commie peacenik hippie" whilst Lefties assuming everyone conservative is a "Rightie Fascist fundamentalist warmongering moneygrabber" You ALL have to face the facts that there are some center left and center right people out there who share each others views on life, politics and war. (Extreme Right Conservatives (fascists), you always assume all lefties are pipe smoking hippies, and that is such a dated stereotype, and the same goes for the Extreme Left Liberalists (communists) always assuming all righties are warmongering "YAY FOR GAAAADD, GAAAAD SMAAATES YOOOR BUTTOCKS!" preachers.")
All of ya'll, please respect others views.
Note>>Yes I am a centralist fence sitter (stereotype) but I don't care what you think of me! :upyours:

The socialists and marxists will go ape when people such as so called "Right winger" Fred Whelps spew anti-homosexual propaganda, it is capitalized on as an "example" that "OMG! TEH NE0CONS HATE HOMOS3XUALS!1!11!!! TEYRE SO INT0LERANT!"!!111!!2211!!!!!

The person who wrote the article to the effect of "We will shoot you, we will burn your houses down" etc is most commonly found on DU.com. He is a minority, and I do not fear him. He wouldn't make it to the gas station with the intent to burn down your usual conservative's home.

That's because Phelps actually goes out and forces his views onto other, and makes a point of how right-wing he is. I don't actually think he's a good example and am fully aware that he's a one-man island in a sea of Rupublic millions, but it's easier to argue with right-wingers and show examples like Phelps, if you know what I mean (and I hope you do!).

This is in stark contrast to someone who sits on their arse, probably in their bedroom, posting on a weblog that not many people read, talking about how he's going to "shoot people down the streets" or whatever it was from the safety of his own/his parents' house, whilist actually having no intent on doing anything if the USA becomes a theocracy.

Most people who actually believe in a cause aren't hugely vocal about it, to be honest.

So, in what way does Phelps FORCE his views on people? He's using free speech to spread his shit. And shit, it is.

But as far as I know he has never so far forced anybody to do anything.

What makes you think liberals are pacifists any more than Christian fundamentalists would be bound by their "Thou shalt not kill" commandment?

What Thou shalt not kill commandment? Never seen it in my life. I would not be bound by the eighth commandment because it reads: Thou shalt not commit murder. According to the Bible I am completely justified in KILLING someone trying to MURDER me or someone else.

There is no 'thou shalt not kill' commandment.

That's a falsehood created by a silly Christian mistranslation.

So, in what way does Phelps FORCE his views on people? He's using free speech to spread his shit. And shit, it is.

But as far as I know he has never so far forced anybody to do anything.

By shouting out "God hates fags" etc.

How's that not forcing his views upon people?

If he had his own little weblog, where he could merrily type about his views, then I wouldn't mind, but when you focus the media on your campaigning, and blame everything on gays, then it's gone a bit far.

Oh and Allanea - I assume you speak fluent ancient Hebrew and various forms of Latin, as well as perfect English, so that you can translate what it really says, then.

Ancient Hebrew is not really as different from modern Hebrew then you think.

As such, the text of the Old Testament, in the original, is taught in Israeli schools. Therefore, I can easily tell you that the relevant commandment says Al tirzah, 'thou shalt not murder' in Hebrew (ancient or modern, there's no major difference).

And I remind you people have the right to shout shit, protest, and such. Even if they're being obnoxious retards like Phelps.

Ancient Hebrew is not really as different from modern Hebrew then you think.

As such, the text of the Old Testament, in the original, is taught in Israeli schools. Therefore, I can easily tell you that the relevant commandment says Al tirzah, 'thou shalt not murder' in Hebrew (ancient or modern, there's no major difference).

Right, but killing people is always murder unless they're just tried to knife you or whatever. Killing "in a war" is inexcusable, unless someone opens fire on you.

And I remind you people have the right to shout shit, protest, and such. Even if they're being obnoxious retards like Phelps.

That doesn't mean that you're not forcing your views onto people, though.

You're a hypocrite. You make fun of people who generalize from Phelps to talking about "neocons," but you yourself are babbling like a lunatic about the "left" being a bunch of "addicts" and whatnot.
Hear, hear!

Right, but killing people is always murder unless they're just tried to knife you or whatever. Killing "in a war" is inexcusable, unless someone opens fire on you.

What about if they are busy firing on someone else? Like a group of innocent civilians or whatever?



That doesn't mean that you're not forcing your views onto people, though

No, that would be if Phelps got elected for office and tried to ban gay sex.

The Left has lost it you say? I don't know what they lost, but I'm glad they finally regained their spine. I also suspect that these particular liberals are not the type who favour gun control. Yes, that's right. Not all liberals favour gun control.

Nearly all in the US do. It's very rare to find a dyed-in-the-wool Democratic voter who owns a gun these days.

I've been to the shooting range nearly every weekend for 20 years, and I haven't seen a single Democrat there yet.

Nearly all in the US do. It's very rare to find a dyed-in-the-wool Democratic voter who owns a gun these days.

I've been to the shooting range nearly every weekend for 20 years, and I haven't seen a single Democrat there yet.
Maybe they just forgot to wear their paper D badge that lets everyone know...

Maybe they just forgot to wear their paper D badge that lets everyone know...

Speaking as someone who goes to the range frequently, politics are a constant topic at the range.

No badges necessary. We're talking about a crowd where the typical Democratic Underground poster would feel extremely threatened by the talk and the presence of firearms.

I consider myself a right-wing conservative, I believe there's a God-given right to keep and bear arms
The US Founding fathers are not Gods.

That said, this guy is a loon and advocating violent revolution while democratic means remain is an act of complete hypocrisy.
You didn't read:

We will try and reason with you, debate you, help you to see the extreme error of your beliefs. We owe you that much at least, in our great democracy. You may think us weak, but you will be wrong.

For if you persist in trying to hijack the governments of this nation - local, state and federal - so as to remake this great land into a theocratic nightmare, we will destroy you...

This guy is not a loon. He's a potential freedom fighter.

That's because Phelps actually goes out and forces his views onto other, and makes a point of how right-wing he is. I don't actually think he's a good example and am fully aware that he's a one-man island in a sea of Rupublic millions, but it's easier to argue with right-wingers and show examples like Phelps, if you know what I mean (and I hope you do!).

To be fair you can't lump Phelps in with Republicans. He blasts Bush and his party as much as anyone else.

What Thou shalt not kill commandment? Never seen it in my life. I would not be bound by the eighth commandment because it reads: Thou shalt not commit murder. According to the Bible I am completely justified in KILLING someone trying to MURDER me or someone else.
Funny how every European Christian (both Catholic and Protestant) has always told me "thou shalt not kill", but only right-wing American Christians have always said it's "thou shalt not murder". I suspect a political agenda, so I'll trust the Europeans on this one.

Anyway, my point is, liberals are not pacifists. I only hope you never have to find that out the hard way.


I've been to the shooting range nearly every weekend for 20 years, and I haven't seen a single Democrat there yet.
The Democrats are not necessarily going to be wearing their donkey badges for all to see. :rolleyes:

Another point is that not owning a gun does not equate to wanting to ban them. I'm not gay, but I don't think homosexuality should be illegal.

Speaking as someone who goes to the range frequently, politics are a constant topic at the range.

No badges necessary. We're talking about a crowd where the typical Democratic Underground poster would feel extremely threatened by the talk and the presence of firearms.

I guess that kinda depends on where you live. I know a number of Democrats here who own guns. But then, our Democratic Lt. Gov is very friendly with the NRA and Democrats in my area send out campaign material with pictures of themselves in blaze orange.

This guy is not a loon. He's a potential freedom fighter.

I think you mean "insurgent". Otherwise, you're encouraging/condoining terrorism over the internet and you'll get a knock on the door at 3AM ;)


To be fair you can't lump Phelps in with Republicans. He blasts Bush and his party as much as anyone else.

If Hitler can get labelled with Chavez, Phelps can be lumped in with Bush, in my opinion.

Funny how every European Christian (both Catholic and Protestant) has always told me "thou shalt not kill", but only right-wing American Christians have always said it's "thou shalt not murder". I suspect a political agenda, so I'll trust the Europeans on this one.

Nah! Not people putting political ideologies into religion? It must be the first time, ever, that it's happened!

Anyway, my point is, liberals are not pacifists. I only hope you never have to find that out the hard way.

Indeed. I have actually fought and won with skinheads from the BNP.

So the rantings of one batshit insane blogger represents 'The Left'? Okay, by that logic, Ann Coulter and Phelps represent 'The Right'.

Jesus Christ. Who the **** are 'The Left' anyway? It's a complex political system based on numerous beliefs based on dozens of factors. To call anything 'The Left' is just a sweeping generalisation that makes no damned sense.

Nearly all in the US do. It's very rare to find a dyed-in-the-wool Democratic voter who owns a gun these days.

I've been to the shooting range nearly every weekend for 20 years, and I haven't seen a single Democrat there yet.
You're right, no democrat would own a gun. (Though that would mean that every criminal who owns and uses a gun is a republican, wouldn't it?) :rolleyes:

I think you should open your eyes when you're on the shooting range. It's dangerous to go shooting with your blinders on.

So the rantings of one batshit insane blogger represents 'The Left'? Okay, by that logic, Ann Coulter and Phelps represent 'The Right'.

Jesus Christ. Who the **** are 'The Left' anyway? It's a complex political system based on numerous beliefs based on dozens of factors. To call anything 'The Left' is just a sweeping generalisation that makes no damned sense.
Oh, can you smell that too? Smells like... victory. :D

There's crazies on both sides, bub. Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh say similar things on a weekly basis.

the fanatic anti-christian bigot has found leadership

the fanatic anti-christian bigot has found leadership

What fanatic anti-Christian Bigot?

We're talking about a crowd where the typical Democratic Underground poster would feel extremely threatened by the talk and the presence of firearms.

perhaps that might explain why any that might go once don't go back?

There is no 'thou shalt not kill' commandment.

That's a falsehood created by a silly Christian mistranslation.

I think this was said before, but I'll say it again,
The original translation in Hebrew was "Thou shall not MURDER"
But of course, someone screwed up and changed it. If you ever read
the Bible there is a whole lotta killing going on in the Old Testament.
But not MURDER.

If Hitler can get labelled with Chavez, Phelps can be lumped in with Bush, in my opinion.
Hitler can't be lumped in with Chavez. Different ideology, continent and generation.

If you ever read
the Bible there is a whole lotta killing going on in the Old Testament.
But not MURDER.

Are you claiming that there are no murders in the Old Testament?

You didn't read:



This guy is not a loon. He's a potential freedom fighter.


Well, I'm still thinking that he's probably crossed the line by bringing up violent revolution (and such exclusive anti-democratic revolution), when we are nowhere near to having a reason for it, but I was wrong about him not following Jeffersonian protocol.

We're talking about a crowd where the typical ...
Translation:
"I'm talking sh*t."

I think this was said before, but I'll say it again,
The original translation in Hebrew was "Thou shall not MURDER"
But of course, someone screwed up and changed it. If you ever read
the Bible there is a whole lotta killing going on in the Old Testament.
But not MURDER.
:confused:
I'll take that as sarcasm or at least verbal irony, so i'll just leave it at
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

and

For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

and

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

So, just in Genesis, there was a lot of killing, but not .. murder.
And certainly not mass murder.
:(

This was posted on freerepublic.com:

A Word of Warning to Christian Dominionists and Reconstructionists

Please don't try it. Cease even to think of it. We, your fellow citizens, who believe in freedom, liberty, equality before fair and impartial law, fairness and egalitarianism, will not allow you to turn this country into a theocracy. We will try and reason with you, debate you, help you to see the extreme error of your beliefs. We owe you that much at least, in our great democracy. You may think us weak, but you will be wrong.

SNIP



Let us assume we are Christian Dominionists and Reconstructionists ( not sure what the latter bit means - but... whatever ).

Are we now supposed to be in shock and awe because some fruitbats who have as much idea about how to fight and win a war as a 12-year-old who spends his days trainspotting?

This would be the kind of challenge that makes me say:

Do you have any idea of how much damage my bulldozer would suffer if I were to run it over you? No? Let me tell you: no damage at all!

Hitler can't be lumped in with Chavez. Different ideology, continent and generation.

Yes, I know, that was exactly my point.

Yes, I know, that was exactly my point.


And worse: Hitler unfortunately had lots more firepower.

Why Chavez is a fruitbat: how much damage can he actually inflict?
He looks more like a possible target for the 54th Regiment of Foot than as a clear and present danger.

Yeep...and a bunch of my fellow conservatives / Republican / Libertarians / Average Americans..will be passing out the ammo and loading up the weapons for nice little gathering to send any idiot Theocracy advocate on a field trip to hell .

You do not have to be left / liberal/ center / right / conservative to value freedom .

Just an American...or for that matter a human being ..

"We find these truths to be self evident...all men are created equal ..etc. "

The pacifist can be our medics .

Well said

The pacifist can be our medics
You're assuming that a pacifist would be content to directly or indirectly feed your system. I'd re-think that assumption if I were you. After all, we're far better off the fewer there are of your sort kicking about. I know I wouldn't do squat to help you or anyone else perpetuate an activity I am wholly against.