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Iran's going to build a bomb. The question is what will they do with it? Poll on the way.

They are not trying to build a nuclear bomb. It is pretty tricky to conceal that sort of programme. When North Korea started doing it, it was pretty damn obvious, you could sense it from space.

Where is the "nuke Tel Aviv" option?

They are not trying to build a nuclear bomb. It is pretty tricky to conceal that sort of programme. When North Korea started doing it, it was pretty damn obvious, you could sense it from space.
:rolleyes:

Oh, ya hear that United Nations!

Tactical Grace knows something you dont know.

Well...shows over, Iran, Tactical Grace cracked the case his first day on the job....you were just pulling everyones leg looking at nuclear weapons blueprints on the black market. Ha. Ha.

*Slaps Iran's knee*

You had us going there for a while didnt ya, old buddy?

:rolleyes:

They will bomb the USA, killing millions of innocent pot-smokers, even though they were only meaning to kill Ross Perot and Senator Packwood.:D

PWN ALL!

Iran isn't building anymore bombs, they've had them for Fourteen years, now they are saying they are building them to disguise the fact they have them thus when they do feel the need to use them people will go WTF!
It's the old fake jab left hook combo.

Tactical Grace knows something you dont know.

It's not like they can actually hide a nuclear weapons programme that easily, you know. I mean, there's only 1.5 million square kilometers in which to place it -- not a lot of choice there. I'm sure that all you need is a bomb-sniffing dog, a map of Iran, a couple of hours to spare, and you'll definitely find it. Indeed, I'm sure it will be discovered much more easily than Israel's programme was (a walk in the park), considering that Israel is 1/80 the size of Iran.

Iran's going to build a bomb. The question is what will they do with it? Poll on the way.

Oh really? Iran's gonna build a bomb? You know this?

... God? Is that you? Cause if it 'aint, somebody's pretending to know shit they can't possibly know.

Do what everyone else with nuclear weapons does. Use it as thier ante to sit at the big table. We've sent a clear and sound message-if you want to be negotiated with, build yourself a nuke.

Oh really? Iran's gonna build a bomb? You know this?

... God? Is that you? Cause if it 'aint, somebody's pretending to know shit they can't possibly know.
I strongly suspect that Iran's going to build a nuke. I'm confident saying that they plan to. You don't think that they will? Then click the appropriate option on the poll.

Oh really? Iran's gonna build a bomb? You know this?

... God? Is that you? Cause if it 'aint, somebody's pretending to know shit they can't possibly know.

Hmm..then perhaps the entire western world...including the United Nations is playing God aswell?

Or maybe its just you and TG who are in denial.

It's not like they can actually hide a nuclear weapons programme that easily, you know. I mean, there's only 1.5 million square kilometers in which to place it -- not a lot of choice there. I'm sure that all you need is a bomb-sniffing dog, a map of Iran, a couple of hours to spare, and you'll definitely find it. Indeed, I'm sure it will be discovered much more easily than Israel's programme was (a walk in the park), considering that Israel is 1/80 the size of Iran.

Yeah....I know. Its like hes actually in denial. Better to admit the problem and face it then to just deny it and hope it just solves itself.

Oh really? Iran's gonna build a bomb? You know this?

... God? Is that you? Cause if it 'aint, somebody's pretending to know shit they can't possibly know.


So just saying their goin to steam roll Israel.... when everyone (including Iran) can look at history and see that Israel has beaten back every attack that has been thrown at it. Iran wouldn't claim that it could steam roll Israel if it didn't have a bomb and planned to use it. Or at the time believed a bomb was goin to be finished shortly (notice recently they've been toeing the line, probably because their bombs wont be finished as quickly as they thought.).

What I'm curious about is: What will third world countries do when industrialized nations begin building pure fusion strategical warheads?

I strongly suspect that Iran's going to build a nuke. I'm confident saying that they plan to. You don't think that they will? Then click the appropriate option on the poll.

Better.

I did vote in the poll. I'm just peeved that, regardless of the lack of information, we seem to have moved passed the 'is Iran building a bomb question,' straight to 'we know they're building one, so what do they want it for and what should we do about it' question.

It's not like they can actually hide a nuclear weapons programme that easily, you know. I mean, there's only 1.5 million square kilometers in which to place it -- not a lot of choice there. I'm sure that all you need is a bomb-sniffing dog, a map of Iran, a couple of hours to spare, and you'll definitely find it. Indeed, I'm sure it will be discovered much more easily than Israel's programme was (a walk in the park), considering that Israel is 1/80 the size of Iran.
The thing about nuclear weaponry is that it releases radiation. The thing about radiation is that it's really fucking easy to detect.

Better.

I did vote in the poll. I'm just peeved that, regardless of the lack of information, we seem to have moved passed the 'is Iran building a bomb question,' straight to 'we know they're building one, so what do they want it for and what should we do about it' question.


He didn't say what should we do about it... he is asking what will they do with it?

Hmm..then perhaps the entire western world...including the United Nations is playing God aswell?

Or maybe its just you and TG who are in denial.

Not playing God, but saying they have an answer that only God and ~100 Iranians have.

And Mr. Grace and I are not in denial - we're simply not joining on the leap to unfounded conclusions bandwagon.

Better.

I did vote in the poll. I'm just peeved that, regardless of the lack of information, we seem to have moved passed the 'is Iran building a bomb question,' straight to 'we know they're building one, so what do they want it for and what should we do about it' question.

I would always rather overestimate my enemy than underestimate him.

The thing about nuclear weaponry is that it releases radiation. The thing about radiation is that it's really fucking easy to detect.
It doesn't go through heavy steel reinforced concrete or stone or soil well. An underground facility would block any radiation from escaping.

I would always rather overestimate my enemy than underestimate him.

No state of war exists between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America.

No state of war exists between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America.


You can be enemy's and not at war... prime example: The Cold War that lasted for the better part of the last half of the last century between the US and the Soviet Union. And if some country takes hundreds of hostages from our embassy I sure as hell wouldn't consider them friendly.

No state of war exists between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America.

Not technically, no.

But are you saying the IRI and the USA are not enemies?

No state of war exists between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America.
But they have used their Hezbollah terrorists to attack US marines in Lebanon, their Quods force to organize the khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia and they've placed Hezbollah cells in North Carolina, USA. So I wouldn't call it a state of peace either.

You can be enemy's and not at war... prime example: The Cold War that lasted for the better part of the last half of the last century between the US and the Soviet Union. And if some country takes hundreds of hostages from our embassy I sure as hell wouldn't consider them friendly.

Exactly. Good post.

So just saying their goin to steam roll Israel.... when everyone (including Iran) can look at history and see that Israel has beaten back every attack that has been thrown at it. Iran wouldn't claim that it could steam roll Israel if it didn't have a bomb and planned to use it. Or at the time believed a bomb was goin to be finished shortly (notice recently they've been toeing the line, probably because their bombs wont be finished as quickly as they thought.)

Again with the assumptions! You're assuming that when President Ahmadinejad said Israel would/should be wiped off the map, that he was actually going to do something. It's equally possible, indeed probable, that it was nothing but rhetoric used to move his domestic audience.

Iran's going to build a bomb. The question is what will they do with it? Poll on the way.
Shower sparkles of love and peace onto the world...

Again with the assumptions! You're assuming that when President Ahmadinejad said Israel would/should be wiped off the map, that he was actually going to do something. It's equally possible, indeed probable, that it was nothing but rhetoric used to move his domestic audience.

The last time someone made the argument your making we had World War 2 and Hitler dominated most of the European continent. And as strong as Iran is, I would rather be on the safe side fighting a small war then fighting another world war.

Not technically, no.

But are you saying the IRI and the USA are not enemies?

I don't think we're true enemies until we go to war. We're not friends, we're opponents even, but I wouldn't call them an enemy people or an enemy nation.

I don't think we're true enemies until we go to war. We're not friends, we're opponents even, but I wouldn't call them an enemy people or an enemy nation.
Even though they've killed our troops and they've placed terrorist cells on our soil?

I don't think we're true enemies until we go to war. We're not friends, we're opponents even, but I wouldn't call them an enemy people or an enemy nation.


Soviet Union...Britian and France for hundreds of years... the two Korea's for the past fifty years... Vietnam and America in the 60's and 70's (Not a declared war). Your argument there sir (or m'am) is a horrible one.

They will bomb Alienware Laptops Headquarters.

I don't think we're true enemies until we go to war. We're not friends, we're opponents even, but I wouldn't call them an enemy people or an enemy nation.

Quick!

America-Soviet Union.

enemies or not?

They will bomb Alienware Laptops Headquarters.

*sighs a sigh of relief*

I have an Alienware PC.

The last time someone made the argument your making we had World War 2 and Hitler dominated most of the European continent. And as strong as Iran is, I would rather be on the safe side fighting a small war then fighting another world war.

IMHO, Iran can't cause a world war. It lacks the allies, the technology, the pure military weight.... I just don't see it happening.

And the situations aren't entirely comparable, because the argument I'm using wasn't made by the Allies before WWII. The prime argument made before WWII by the allies was that Hitler could be appeased, not that his speeches were rhetoric.

EDIT - so as not to be hoisted by my own petard, I edit.

Even though they've killed our troops and they've placed terrorist cells on our soil?

Soviet Union...Britian and France for hundreds of years... the two Korea's for the past fifty years... Vietnam and America in the 60's and 70's (Not a declared war). Your argument there sir (or m'am) is a horrible one.

Quick!

America-Soviet Union.

enemies or not?

This is an irrelevant semantical argument. Alls I'm sayin' is that IMHO, to say a nation is our 'enemy' is to say that we are engaged in delcared hostilities.

I'd say people we're not on the best of terms with, but are not bombing, are opponents. It would be overstating the case to say that Iran or the USSR are/were enemies of the US. They were opponents, they were unfriendly, even hostile, but they weren't enemies in the traditional sense that we were fighting a war with them.

:rolleyes:

Oh, ya hear that United Nations!

Tactical Grace knows something you dont know.

Well...shows over, Iran, Tactical Grace cracked the case his first day on the job....you were just pulling everyones leg looking at nuclear weapons blueprints on the black market. Ha. Ha.

*Slaps Iran's knee*

You had us going there for a while didnt ya, old buddy?

:rolleyes:
This is indeed an accurate reflection of reality. :cool:

They will bomb Drumstick Ice Cream HQ.

The thing about nuclear weaponry is that it releases radiation. The thing about radiation is that it's really fucking easy to detect.

gamma radiation can be detected, alpha and beta can be blocked with very little effort. Plus they have that "peaceful nuclear program" smokescreen. The good news is that they don't have a "working program" until they test fire one, and well, they blow up a nuke that actually works, and we'll know it. Just from the one or two nations that said "Okay, we've decided we don't want nuclear weapons after all." and agrees to disarmiment, and the other governments of the world are like, wait, what? We know that hiding a nuclear weapons program isn't impossible. The UN's own monitoring agency basically found evidence that they have weapons grade material. Wishful thinking won't stop a nuclear bomb and it's a lot better to be wrong than to be dead.

This is an irrelevant semantical argument. Alls I'm sayin' is that IMHO, to say a nation is our 'enemy' is to say that we are engaged in delcared hostilities.

I'd say people we're not on the best of terms with, but are not bombing, are opponents. It would be overstating the case to say that Iran or the USSR are/were enemies of the US. They were opponents, they were unfriendly, even hostile, but they weren't enemies in the traditional sense that we were fighting a war with them.
I consider a nation that has been killing US troops and has placed terrorist cells on US soil an enemy. Maybe I'm nuts, but that's how I feel.

Iran has terrorist cells in the US?

They will give President Bush all of the money Iran has, then bomb him.

The last time someone made the argument your making we had World War 2 and Hitler dominated most of the European continent. And as strong as Iran is, I would rather be on the safe side fighting a small war then fighting another world war.

They aren't particuarlly strong militarially.

Although all that oil they're selling is slowly changing that.

Iran will try to dominate the region, the way Saddam tried. Iran won't attack the US though. It might try to use economic sabotage (oil) to harm the West though.

Iran has terrorist cells in the US?
Hezbollah is funded, supported and guided by Iran. In June of 2002 two brothers, a small Hezbollah cell, were convicted of running a scam in North Carolina that funnelled money to Hezbollah. Hezbollah has been active in South America too.

This is indeed an accurate reflection of reality. :cool:

:D

They will use it as a deterrent to keep other nations, like the US, from arbitrarily deciding that its time for a regime change.

They will not use it for terrorist purposes; as such an act would be suicidal. They know that if they launch a nuke or if a nuclear terrorist cell has even the tiniest trail leading back to Iran, they are finished.
Remember, the leaders of Iran are not the naive young men who strap bombs to themselves. They enjoy life and are quite content in living.

They will bomb The United Kingdom, and Ireland, because Iran likes sinking islands.

They will use it as a deterrent to keep other nations, like the US, from arbitrarily deciding that its time for a regime change.

They will not use it for terrorist purposes; as such an act would be suicidal. They know that if they launch a nuke or if a nuclear terrorist cell has even the tiniest trail leading back to Iran, they are finished.
Remember, the leaders of Iran are not the naive young men who strap bombs to themselves. They enjoy life and are quite content in living.
Doesn't a nuclear deterant ensure that they can continue directing Hezbollah and Iranian Quods guys to conduct terrorism without fearing military reprisals?

DCD,

we will see a repeat of what Pakistan did once it got its nukes.

But hey, terrorism is ok until you yourself get bombed. As long as it is only Israel that is going to face increased attacks, it is fine.:rolleyes:

i say where is the option for 'iran will get the bomb, but hey the isreali's and the americans will plunge tel aviv hey b4 they get a chance to strke.'?

why would iran nuke israel?

would make the place uninhabitible and mean the palestinans couldnt have their land back, which would defeat the purpose of nuking them in the first place!

they saw how the US backed down from a row with North Korea when they nuked up and want the same protection. its that simple.

it profoundly frightens me that people are advocating an attack on iran after the shambles that was the iraq war. and for weapons of mass destruction that dont (yet) exist.

Iran's going to build a bomb. The question is what will they do with it? Poll on the way.
Just like everyone else, they will probably do nothing with their bombs. They probably want them for the purpose of deterring strikes against them by the US or Israel. I'm sure they're well aware of MAD.

Hezbollah is funded, supported and guided by Iran. In June of 2002 two brothers, a small Hezbollah cell, were convicted of running a scam in North Carolina that funnelled money to Hezbollah. Hezbollah has been active in South America too.
Speaking for myself,
people who give money to terrorrists =/= terrorrists.
people who give money to terrorrists = evil gits but aren't terrorrists.

Abaheminead or whatever his name is is nuts. The US alone has enough nukes in one spot to wipe Tehran off the map and turn Iran into a 10,000 degree oven 10 times over.

And some hippies want us to get rid of nukes. I submit that IRAN is the reason (Among others) We've gotem.

Abaheminead or whatever his name is is nuts. The US alone has enough nukes in one spot to wipe Tehran off the map and turn Iran into a 10,000 degree oven 10 times over.

And some hippies want us to get rid of nukes. I submit that IRAN is the reason (Among others) We've gotem.

iran is possibly trying to get them because the US have them and are threatening to attack Iran.

They will use nuclear technology as a deterent against Israeli agression to protect their citizens, as they have a right to do. I think people forget that international law says they have a soveriegn right to nuclear technology. "Israel" is a nation that has not signed the NPT, wont even admit to having the bomb, has invaded and occupied its neighbors, and has defied the international community and broke international law on several ocassions.

why would iran nuke israel?

would make the place uninhabitible and mean the palestinans couldnt have their land back, which would defeat the purpose of nuking them in the first place!

they saw how the US backed down from a row with North Korea when they nuked up and want the same protection. its that simple.

it profoundly frightens me that people are advocating an attack on iran after the shambles that was the iraq war. and for weapons of mass destruction that dont (yet) exist.

This is the point I've tried to make in every conversation about the issue I've managed to run into this far. See, Iran's leaderhip isn't exactly stupid. Their ways of saying things might differ of that normally used by Western politicians, and they use language that makes them look like idiots to us, but they still know few basic facts:

1. Having a nuclear weapon is a good thing. Once you've fot it, no one can attack you conventionally.

2. Not having a nuclear weapon while being a strongly islamic non-puppet of USA is a bad thing. USA has the means and ability to attack and conquer you, and there's nothing you could do to prevent that really - except becoming their puppet or getting a nuclear weapon.

3. Using a nuclear weapon is a bad thing. If you use a nuclear weapon against someone, even as discusting and evil as Israel, you will receive a horrible retaliation strike by both the mentioned country and its American allies.
Using nuclear weapon against you enemy (which in this case is equal to USA or an ally if it) = suicide.

4. To put this all together, if you have a nuclear weapon, you don't need to use it. If you use it, you're dead. You don't want to be dead, so you don't use it. But you don't want to get conquered either, so you'd better have one.

I love poll spamming :D

I love poll spamming :D
So do I.:D :D

They will use nuclear technology as a deterent against Israeli agression to protect their citizens

lol....


I think people forget that international law says they have a soveriegn right to nuclear technology.

lol...and what "international law" might that be...

Iran gave up that right by signing NPT.


"Israel" is a nation that has not signed the NPT, wont even admit to having the bomb,

Since Israel is not a signatory, they are under no obligations to confirm or deny whatever rumors there are about its nuke capability.

Personally, I think the NPT is an obsolete piece of legislation. It presumes guilt only on the part of those who signed it, not on the part of those who did not. And those who signed it already possessing nuclear weapons, declare themselves OK to pursue any further research they like.

I think if it no longer reflects the circumstances of nations, they should just leave it, ignore it, etc. It is obvious that the established nuclear powers no longer care about it.

This is an irrelevant semantical argument. Alls I'm sayin' is that IMHO, to say a nation is our 'enemy' is to say that we are engaged in delcared hostilities.

I'd say people we're not on the best of terms with, but are not bombing, are opponents. It would be overstating the case to say that Iran or the USSR are/were enemies of the US. They were opponents, they were unfriendly, even hostile, but they weren't enemies in the traditional sense that we were fighting a war with them.


So Iran isn't hostile to us?

Just like everyone else, they will probably do nothing with their bombs. They probably want them for the purpose of deterring strikes against them by the US or Israel. I'm sure they're well aware of MAD.

I'm with Francis on this one.

Everyone should have a nuke or two..all nations have the right !

The world needs an enema ! free nukes for all !