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Over the last 9 months, my life has changed dramatically (and not in the pregnancy way). I've discovered that in order to have a good time, I need alcohol.

Now, you may think this isn't completely true; surely I can enjoy hobbies and such without a beer? You'd be wrong though - my major hobby, sailing, almost always ends with a drinking binge. As students, my friends and I drink so much as to exceed the government weekly unit-count of alcohol in a day. We even have a name for it - the litre club.

Tonight, for example. I fancied socialising with some friends, and I had two groups to choose from: the first, my major group, involved going to a very cheap bar and getting absolutely battered off cheap vodka, then dancing like a loon for 4 hours; the second group were sat in a bar, drinking themselves into oblivion whilst discussing what complete twats we'd made of ourselves the night before whilst pissed. To celebrate an exam I'd finished, I went out and got wasted - not too bad, you might think, except I had an exam in another 3 days which I had not prepared for at all. Our lives revolve around drinking.

My question to you, then, the interweb public; has alcohol taken over my social life? I'll remind you that, even though this was a light week (what with exams and all), I've still been out getting smashed 4 nights out of 7 and I'm fucking blotto as I type this mournful post.

It's not very healthy when you need alcohol to have a good time.

Sounds like alcoholism to me.

My mother once told me that it's fine to drink, but the minute it crosses the line into having an effect on your ability to function normally without it, you know you have a problem. Then, she also taught me everything I know about drinking people under the table, so I'm a wee bit conflicted.

It's not so much a need as something that just happens. However, I won't deny that everyone is alot more social after a few swift ones.

My mother once told me that it's fine to drink, but the minute it crosses the line into having an effect on your ability to function normally without it, you know you have a problem. Then, she also taught me everything I know about drinking people under the table, so I'm a wee bit conflicted.
Your mother is a damn fine woman. And I mean that in a non-'OMG ur mum' jokish way.

Sounds to me like you need more pot.

I only drink when I run out of chronic. I haven't had a drink in 9 months. ;)

Sounds to me like you need more pot.

I only drink when I run out of chronic. I haven't had a drink in 9 months. ;)
Aside from the fact that weed really isn't a social drug, I can't get hold of it much atm.

I'm not sure alcohol has taken you over, but it sounds like it has taken over your social life - important distinction, if you see what I mean. Ditch that social life, and I think you will find the alcohol will painlessly depart with it.

A lot of the time I find problems aren't really much to do with you as an individual, but are a part or a consequence of some element of your life.

It would be somewhat hypocritical of me to comment on the subject matter, so I'll merely say that your drunk-posting skills are highly impressive. I wouldn't know you were locked if you didn't say. Kudos.

Oh yeah, to clarify, I don't mean you shouldn't have a social life. Just not that one. Don't hang around with a crowd that drifts from one drinking binge to another, celebrating the absence of memories in the quiet interludes. Who needs that?

It's not very healthy when you need alcohol to have a good time.

Sounds like alcoholism to me.

Don't listen to them, alcohol is good for you.

@TG - the problem is, everyone quite enjoys being plastered. I mean, were first year uneh students. I just think our drinking is a little excessive compared with most people our age; most people in our situation too, tbh.

@DD - yeah, I'm not too bad tonight. I've only had 5 or 6 pints and some doubles, and they were spread out.

Aside from the fact that weed really isn't a social drug, I can't get hold of it much atm.

Sounds like you have a drug problem.
The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs.

Sounds like you have a drug problem.
The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs.
Heh. Considering I live with a guy who became manic after too much ecstacy and weed, I think you missed that one.
Although NOFX fucking rule! Unless that's a generic quote, in which case the above still stands.

I would suggest that if you need alcohol to have a good time, then you drink too much.

If you need alcohol to socialize, then I would suggest finding some new friends.

Alcohol completes me


Only if your name is Margarita

It is fine to drink, as long as you are age-legal... it just is wrong to get drunk. Don't do it.
~Ciao0o0o0oller~
-Le Papillon

It is fine to drink, as long as you are age-legal... it just is wrong to get drunk. Don't do it.
~Ciao0o0o0oller~
-Le Papillon
Well, it's just a wee bit late for that, but thanks for the advice ;)

When I was at uni I used to binge drink pretty much every second night. As I got older, I slowed down. Now 15 years on, I usually only drink alcohol once a week.

Binge drinking like that is not good for your health, but it doesn't neccessarily make you an alcoholic.

It is fine to drink, as long as you are age-legal... it just is wrong to get drunk. Don't do it.
~Ciao0o0o0oller~
-Le Papillon

Age-legal can kiss my ass. I'll drink at whatever age I want, thank you very much. Laws should be for protecting people from other people, not protect people from themselve.

@TG - the problem is, everyone quite enjoys being plastered. I mean, were first year uneh students. I just think our drinking is a little excessive compared with most people our age; most people in our situation too, tbh.

You are doing a serious amount of dammage to your liver. You should probably stop it unless internal scar tissue is the kind of physical attribute you're after.

You are doing a serious amount of dammage to your liver. You should probably stop it unless internal scar tissue is the kind of physical attribute you're after.

This sounds like the sort of thing that directly proceeds a pic of cirrhosis.

Oh yeah, to clarify, I don't mean you shouldn't have a social life. Just not that one. Don't hang around with a crowd that drifts from one drinking binge to another, celebrating the absence of memories in the quiet interludes. Who needs that?
college students.


and Tribes, you ever come to the states, hit me up. we'll get nice and wasted together.:)

this thread definatly shows who isn't in college well...haha

The consumption of alcohol is retarded.

End of story.

What college student isn't an alcoholic? Sounds like a normal college student to me.

What college student isn't an alcoholic? Sounds like a normal college student to me.
actually, AA considers people who drink 1-2 times a week heavily to be "functional alcoholics". Me and my roommates got shirts from one of the parents that say our nicknames and "Putting the Fun in functional alcoholism since 2004"

I'm pretty much in agreement with TG here. If drinking becomes all there is to your social life, it's a problem.

Your social life should be more varied and interesting than that. I'm in college right now too, and I do like to drink now and then, along with the dancing and so on. I have a special fondness for tequila, in fact. But it doesn't become a centerpeice of my social life, and when it starts affecting me negatively I stop drinking.

i see you drank then danced? exercise!

i see you drank then danced? exercise!

Good point. Alcoholics usually can't manage to dance after they drink. And lots of alcoholics that have serious problems would go off and kill someone or beat the shit out of something before dancing.

:D

Let's get drunk and dance! Again!

*downs fifth White Russian of the night*

:D

What college student isn't an alcoholic? Sounds like a normal college student to me.

*raises hand*

I have not, nor will I ever, consume alcohol. It is an absolutely moronic practice. I understand wanting to have a glass of wine or a beer with dinner, but any alcohol that is drunk that causes an adverse affect on someone's mental faculties is just plain stupid.

actually, AA considers people who drink 1-2 times a week heavily to be "functional alcoholics". Me and my roommates got shirts from one of the parents that say our nicknames and "Putting the Fun in functional alcoholism since 2004"
He's not dringking 1-2 times a week though - he's getting sloshed most nights. It is alchoholism, and it's seriously unhealthy, not to mention a lame way to spend most of your time.

And *shock* not all students subscribe to the institution of stupidity that for some reason, other students seems to seize upon as some sort of an obligation.

Seriously though, if you care about your life, then I'd say get control over it now. If you don't care about your future, continue on the path you are on.

I knew some alcoholics in my life; one really bad one. The guy would drink himself unconscious everyday for almost three months straight; would drink up to five bottles of vodka in a night. That's a problem, a really big problem..... If you don't want to end up like that, I would definately think twice about grabbing a drink.

And like I said, if you don't care, don't listen to a word people say here, sign off right now, and grab yourself a drink.

I have not, nor will I ever, consume alcohol. It is an absolutely moronic practice. I understand wanting to have a glass of wine or a beer with dinner, but any alcohol that is drunk that causes an adverse affect on someone's mental faculties is just plain stupid.


Do you ever smoke?

He's not dringking 1-2 times a week though - he's getting sloshed most nights. It is alchoholism, and it's seriously unhealthy, not to mention a lame way to spend most of your time.

And *shock* not all students subscribe to the institution of stupidity that for some reason, other students seems to seize upon as some sort of an obligation.
I wasn't speaking about him, I was speaking about the college population at large...more specifically me and my roommates.

and yes, I am not so naive as to think that all college students drink heavily, or at all. And no, me drinking has nothing to do with a sense of obligation. I do it because I enjoy it. Probably for the same exact reason why adults do it, actually. And I've seen more adults go driving drunk than I have underage drinkers, and make other such stupid decisions. Ironically enough, their reasoning was that they had been drinking for long enough to make those decisions, despite clearly not being in the condition to make them.

but thanks for the condescending attitude. I appreciate it. Really.

Over the last 9 months, my life has changed dramatically (and not in the pregnancy way). I've discovered that in order to have a good time, I need alcohol.

Now, you may think this isn't completely true; surely I can enjoy hobbies and such without a beer? You'd be wrong though - my major hobby, sailing, almost always ends with a drinking binge. As students, my friends and I drink so much as to exceed the government weekly unit-count of alcohol

*snip*

You're students. It's not the end of the world.

It's when you find yourself begging for change so you can buy a bottle of aftershave so you can enjoy the alcohol content that you should be worried.

In all seriousness, in moderation, alcohol is great - once in a while. You're a student, so you're going to drink a little more then often. It it doesn't ruin your 'education' per se, then oh well... life goes on.

but thanks for the condescending attitude. I appreciate it. Really.


NS is full of condescending "know it all's." I've taken notice that the longer I play this game, the more uptight people become on here; the more condescending they become as well. They seem to develop superiorty complexes.....but hey, I'll refrain from some comments that are sure to invoke some nasty responses.

:D

Good point. Alcoholics usually can't manage to dance after they drink. And lots of alcoholics that have serious problems would go off and kill someone or beat the shit out of something before dancing.

:D

Let's get drunk and dance! Again!

*downs fifth White Russian of the night*

:D
*chuggs vodka*

I luv yuo maannn

:eek:

Do you ever smoke?

No, and I don't do drugs either. *shock and awe*

I mean, look at it this way:


There are three main areas of "addictive substances":

1) Illegal drugs [cocaine, heroin, marijuana (yes, stupid potheads, marijuana is an illegal drug)]

2) Tobacco [both smokeable and chewable, addicts through the use of nicotine (a pesticide)]

3) Alcohol (beverages made from the fermentation of organic materials, which uses ethanol content to provide intoxicating effects)


Now let's go over them:

1) Illegal drugs are just plain retarded. If you can't see that, you've got problems that I don't want to even begin to deal with.

2) Tobacco is so unbelievably moronic, it defies description. To smoke or chew something that does nothing but harm your body makes you an idiot. Under the descriptions of the United States' Controlled Substances Act, tobacco products should all be Schedule I substances (coming with the harshest penalties, having highly addictive properties, and having no known medical use). The only reason they aren't is because the tax revenue is too high, and the lobbyists have too many lawmakers in their pockets.

3) Alcohol is the trickiest of the three. I personally believe that in amounts that do not adversely affect mental state, alcohol is perfectly fine. It is the one of the three that I can see remaining legal (especially for heart patients, as it aids in blood-thinning and can actually help the heart). However, the consumption of alcohol in amounts that intoxicate is so simply idiotic, I don't get how anyone could argue (though I'm sure someone will).


I guess that's all, now go ahead and rip me a new one.

NS is full of condescending "know it all's." I've taken notice that the longer I play this game, the more uptight people become on here; the more condescending they become as well. They seem to develop superiorty complexes.....but hey, I'll refrain from some comments that are sure to invoke some nasty responses.

:D
haha...sounds about right. Actually, the threads I see it most on deal with alcohol, porn, and smoking. Go figure. But hey, I'll keep arguing that there is nothing wrong with any of the three, and that you are not a "good" person just because you dont do one or more of those. Surprisingly, just because you get drunk, you aren't an alcoholic. Just because you smoke, you aren't an addict, and just because you masturbate, you aren't a pervert.

But hey, I'm sure the view is great on that pedestal ;)

edit: It would seem I missed one of the other places people climp that damn pedestal...

marijuana (yes, stupid potheads, marijuana is an illegal drug)


mind you, I don't rip into people for their stances on issues. I rip into them for being arrogant about it.

I don't drink, I never drunk, I never WILL drink. I drink non-alcoholic beer. If it's your thing, it's your thing. You NEED alcohol to LIVE? Over-do it and you WILL die, or have SEVERE heath problems.

mind you, I don't rip into people for their stances on issues. I rip into them for being arrogant about it.

Well, I have a very simple response to this:

No.

Over the last 9 months, my life has changed dramatically (and not in the pregnancy way). I've discovered that in order to have a good time, I need alcohol.

Now, you may think this isn't completely true; surely I can enjoy hobbies and such without a beer? You'd be wrong though - my major hobby, sailing, almost always ends with a drinking binge. As students, my friends and I drink so much as to exceed the government weekly unit-count of alcohol in a day. We even have a name for it - the litre club.

Tonight, for example. I fancied socialising with some friends, and I had two groups to choose from: the first, my major group, involved going to a very cheap bar and getting absolutely battered off cheap vodka, then dancing like a loon for 4 hours; the second group were sat in a bar, drinking themselves into oblivion whilst discussing what complete twats we'd made of ourselves the night before whilst pissed. To celebrate an exam I'd finished, I went out and got wasted - not too bad, you might think, except I had an exam in another 3 days which I had not prepared for at all. Our lives revolve around drinking.

My question to you, then, the interweb public; has alcohol taken over my social life? I'll remind you that, even though this was a light week (what with exams and all), I've still been out getting smashed 4 nights out of 7 and I'm fucking blotto as I type this mournful post.

You sound British. If so you must continue down this path Im afraid or face loneliness and social oblivion with few casual shags in your future. Do you really want to face bonfire night and hogmanay sober? can you stand the thought of spending the rest of your life watching big brother and playing charades and going to fancy dress parties with health fanatic vegans and other tea totallers? Of course not. Accept your culture and heritage and go out and do some serious liver damage like you were taught dammit!

Well, I have a very simple response to this:

No.
:confused: sorry, your response doesn't make sense..."no" to what? To the fact that your statement was arrogant? Painting with a wide brush usually comes off as such...

1) Illegal drugs are just plain retarded. If you can't see that, you've got problems that I don't want to even begin to deal with.

2) Tobacco is so unbelievably moronic, it defies description. To smoke or chew something that does nothing but harm your body makes you an idiot. Under the descriptions of the United States' Controlled Substances Act, tobacco products should all be Schedule I substances (coming with the harshest penalties, having highly addictive properties, and having no known medical use). The only reason they aren't is because the tax revenue is too high, and the lobbyists have too many lawmakers in their pockets.

3) Alcohol is the trickiest of the three. I personally believe that in amounts that do not adversely affect mental state, alcohol is perfectly fine. It is the one of the three that I can see remaining legal (especially for heart patients, as it aids in blood-thinning and can actually help the heart). However, the consumption of alcohol in amounts that intoxicate is so simply idiotic, I don't get how anyone could argue (though I'm sure someone will).


I guess that's all, now go ahead and rip me a new one.
1. Drugs, ok, bad, but weed was made illegal by racist politcal asses.
2. Meh.
3. As long as you don't start saying all people who drink will get in a car and kill people, I see nothing wrong with what you said..

:confused: sorry, your response doesn't make sense..."no" to what? To the fact that your statement was arrogant? Painting with a wide brush usually comes off as such...


So, what part of my statement that you quoted was arrogant?

I assume the "stupid potheads" part, but I challenge you to contend that potheads are not stupid.

Maybe you merely misunderstood what I meant by "pothead". "Pothead" is a term I use to describe either:

1) Any person while they're high, or;
2) Any person who regularly gets high.

Keeping this in mind, I contend that it is nearly impossible to prove that these types of people are not stupid, and therefore, my argument may be sweeping, but is nevertheless true.

Not saying that you smoke pot, and instantly are retarded forever; merely saying that the fact that you've done it is kinda dumb.

Tobacco is so unbelievably moronic, it defies description. Under the descriptions of the United States' Controlled Substances Act, tobacco products should all be Schedule I substances (coming with the harshest penalties, having highly addictive properties, and having no known medical use).

Tabacco= vasoconstrictor....medically speaking can be useful. Doctors cannot prescribe it though because it's "taboo."


Alcohol is the trickiest of the three. I personally believe that in amounts that do not adversely affect mental state, alcohol is perfectly fine. It is the one of the three that I can see remaining legal (especially for heart patients, as it aids in blood-thinning and can actually help the heart).

Alcohol= vasodilator, medically important. Yes, thins blood, but that in itself can be bad. If you are being treated for a heart condition, alcohol isn't wise to take. Mixing blood thinners, vasodilators, and anti-coagulants can be some nasty business.....avoid sharp objects or bullets.


I guess that's all, now go ahead and rip me a new one.

I don't rip people new assholes unless they are being complete douchebags and don't have a clue of what the heck they are talking about. Like quoting medical information just because they read something on the internet. I also don't rip people new assholes unless they are being hypocritical idiots. Had you said you smoked, I would have laughed your patheticness for repremending people for drinking. But you are consistent, so no arguements here.

"Alcohol Completes Me"
No, actually it doesn't. It diminishes you.

1. Drugs, ok, bad, but weed was made illegal by racist politcal asses.
2. Meh.
3. As long as you don't start saying all people who drink will get in a car and kill people, I see nothing wrong with what you said..

1. Racist? Plenty of white guys smoke pot, sorry, the racist BS doesn't fly with me.

2. May I attempt to translate "Meh"? Here we go: you smoke, you realize it's stupid, you wish you could quit, you may or may not have tried, but you are still addicted.

3. Not all people do do that. But, I personally feel that if someone is driving around drunk, and slams into another vehicle, or hits someone, and kills him or her; that the officer on the scene should be able to pull out his or her handgun and blow the douchebag's head off. But, I'm pro-death penalty, and anti-stupid, so that's just me.

So, what part of my statement that you quoted was arrogant?

I assume the "stupid potheads" part, but I challenge you to contend that potheads are not stupid.

Maybe you merely misunderstood what I meant by "pothead". "Pothead" is a term I use to describe either:

1) Any person while they're high, or;
2) Any person who regularly gets high.

Keeping this in mind, I contend that it is nearly impossible to prove that these types of people are not stupid, and therefore, my argument may be sweeping, but is nevertheless true.

Not saying that you smoke pot, and instantly are retarded forever; merely saying that the fact that you've done it is kinda dumb.
I smoke tons of pot, I have great grades in school. Further more, shut up.

So, what part of my statement that you quoted was arrogant?

I assume the "stupid potheads" part, but I challenge you to contend that potheads are not stupid.

Maybe you merely misunderstood what I meant by "pothead". "Pothead" is a term I use to describe either:

1) Any person while they're high, or;
2) Any person who regularly gets high.

Keeping this in mind, I contend that it is nearly impossible to prove that these types of people are not stupid, and therefore, my argument may be sweeping, but is nevertheless true.

Not saying that you smoke pot, and instantly are retarded forever; merely saying that the fact that you've done it is kinda dumb.
okay, I get you now. So here's my argument.

You attack the person instead of the action. you refer to the person as being stupid, rather than looking at the single choice they make. You don't do it for a single other thing. Even when discussing tobacco, you don't directly attack the person who does it.

You cannot prove, in any way, that every single pothead is either stupid or does not understand the weight of their actions.

Honestly, I drink, smoke, and smoke pot. Yet I agree with your stances (in most cases). The place where I take issue is how you phrase it. As I said before, you attack the person, not the action, and by doing so, you appear arrogant.

It would be much more difficult for you to prove that every single one is stupid than it would be for me to find a single exception. Hell, I could provide an exception if I got high right now. Even when high, I understand the full weight of my actions and the fact that it may not be the best choice of my life. But I can also tell you that it in no way is indicative of me being stupid.

Tabacco= vasoconstrictor....medically speaking can be useful. Doctors cannot prescribe it though because it's "taboo."




Alcohol= vasodilator, medically important. Yes, thins blood, but that in itself can be bad. If you are being treated for a heart condition, alcohol isn't wise to take. Mixing blood thinners, vasodilators, and anti-coagulants can be some nasty business.....avoid sharp objects or bullets.




I don't rip people new assholes unless they are being complete douchebags and don't have a clue of what the heck they are talking about. Like quoting medical information just because they read something on the internet. I also don't rip people new assholes unless they are being hypocritical idiots. Had you said you smoked, I would have laughed your patheticness for repremending people for drinking. But you are consistent, so no arguements here.


Fair point about the tobacco. I'd rather have blood vessels that could use some tightening than lung cancer, though.

Also fair point about the alcohol + heart patients, I definitely would not recommend it while on something like Coumadin, but once on a low-dose aspirin regimen, a glass of red wine or a beer can be helpful to them.

1. Drugs, ok, bad, but weed was made illegal by racist politcal asses.

*rofl* Alright, that was just funny, to me at least.


3. As long as you don't start saying all people who drink will get in a car and kill people, I see nothing wrong with what you said..

Ah see, I drink and never get in a car, unless it is a taxi in New York City. Mmmhmm, only then. And those lovely taxi drivers had never killed people, so I'm good! Haha! I cheated the system! ;)

Even when high, I understand the full weight of my actions and the fact that it may not be the best choice of my life. But I can also tell you that it in no way is indicative of me being stupid.


Actually, what you just said is quite indicitive of you being stupid.

"I know this isn't good for me, but I'm going to do it anyway"
^^stupid

1. Racist? Plenty of white guys smoke pot, sorry, the racist BS doesn't fly with me.

2. May I attempt to translate "Meh"? Here we go: you smoke, you realize it's stupid, you wish you could quit, you may or may not have tried, but you are still addicted.

3. Not all people do do that. But, I personally feel that if someone is driving around drunk, and slams into another vehicle, or hits someone, and kills him or her; that the officer on the scene should be able to pull out his or her handgun and blow the douchebag's head off. But, I'm pro-death penalty, and anti-stupid, so that's just me.
1. Pot was made illegal by RACISTS who said it was what the evil black people used.
2. "Meh" is my way of saying I have no problem with what was said, or I don't care.
3. I agree.

*rofl* Alright, that was just funny, to me at least.
Pfft

Ah see, I drink and never get in a car, unless it is a taxi in New York City. Mmmhmm, only then. And those lovely taxi drivers had never killed people, so I'm good! Haha! I cheated the system! ;)
You just wait!

Fair point about the tobacco. I'd rather have blood vessels that could use some tightening than lung cancer, though.

Also fair point about the alcohol + heart patients, I definitely would not recommend it while on something like Coumadin, but once on a low-dose aspirin regimen, a glass of red wine or a beer can be helpful to them.

Say some people; however, I tend to, from a physiological perspective, see a problem with that. Cardiovascular patients should be avoiding high Caloric drinks and carbohydrates....seems kind of contradictory to me from that standpoint. And since we all know Americans, specifically, have such an affinity for exercise.....we know they are burning off all those Calories..... *sarcasm*

:D



Oh, one more question, your stance on over the counter drugs, non-approved drugs, supplements, and of course prescription drugs?

Actually, what you just said is quite indicitive of you being stupid.

"I know this isn't good for me, but I'm going to do it anyway"
^^stupid
3.0 at BU, AP/Honors student all through high school, scholarships, among other indicators of intelligence.

is it a bad choice? yes. Is that one thing that is a stupid choice? yes. Am I a stupid person? fuck no.

The post I quoted was arrogant. The one where you explained yourself was good. This one is rude. You do not know me, and are in absolutly NO place to call me stupid. 1/3.

This stupid cast thing on my arm is driving me crazy so I'm going to lay down.. or lurk. But before I go, might as well prove my point..

Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: "Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice."

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This stupid cast thing on my arm is driving me crazy so I'm going to lay down.. or lurk. But before I go, might as well prove my point..



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speaking of, hows that doin?

Actually, what you just said is quite indicitive of you being stupid.

"I know this isn't good for me, but I'm going to do it anyway"
^^stupid


Standing up for my pal Sarkhaan here (neglects to mention prior to this thread I've never before spoke to this person). First off, he? has a point that cannot be refuted; in an arguement, you counter the action or a specific comment, not an entire person.

And stupidity, what definition are we using? Text book stupid, naive, insolent, unintelligent, lacking common sense? Calling someone stupid for an opposition is lacking intelligence or being naive in itself.

Also, naive people tend to also prejudge others. Assuming is rather "stupid" too. If you don't know the reasons for why someone is doing something, then it's wise not to pretend you know who they are and what they should be doing instead. One person's perception cannot be generalized to the entire world.

My personal view is, if it is keeping someone from killing someone, hurting someone, including themself (and not slowly like constantly smoking, drinking, and drug use does, but immediately like shooting themselves or running their car off a bridge) then I believe if they feel it is helping for the time being, go ahead. It's not my life, do as you like, so long as I do not have to suffer the consequences. And if you plan on killing me, yes, please do smoke, drink, run lines, do whatever your heart pleases...... I'll run the other way in the mean time. ;)

speaking of, hows that doin?
It's fine, surprised at how much I can't even feel it.. one second I'm laying in the room talking to the nurse as she says "you probably wont even remember this conversation", oxygen tube thing is put in my nose, meds in the IV, next thing I know I'm laying in the rest area thing with a cloth cast on my arm..

Felt so.. stoned :D

Standing up for my pal Sarkhaan here (neglects to mention prior to this thread I've never before spoke to this person). First off, he? has a point that cannot be refuted; in an arguement, you counter the action or a specific comment, not an entire person.

And stupidity, what definition are we using? Text book stupid, naive, insolent, unintelligent, lacking common sense? Calling someone stupid for an opposition is lacking intelligence or being naive in itself.

Also, naive people tend to also prejudge others. Assuming is rather "stupid" too. If you don't know the reasons for why someone is doing something, then it's wise not to pretend you know who they are and what they should be doing instead. One person's perception cannot be generalized to the entire world.

My personal view is, if it is keeping someone from killing someone, hurting someone, including themself (and not slowly like constantly smoking, drinking, and drug use does, but immediately like shooting themselves or running their car off a bridge) then I believe if they feel it is helping for the time being, go ahead. It's not my life, do as you like, so long as I do not have to suffer the consequences. And if you plan on killing me, yes, please do smoke, drink, run lines, do whatever your heart pleases...... I'll run the other way in the mean time. ;)

haha...better stated than I ever could (atleast at 2:15 AM...haha).

by the way, I'm a he.

Personally, smoking takes the same stress away that working out does. Just another coping method. Is one good for you and the other bad? yeah. but hey, it works.

Again, thank you muchly.

I just realized that I've been drinking throughout this entire thread.....tea, honey, and brandy....mmmm.....

Just thought that it was a rather random point I would contribute; support all us alcohol drinkers out there in the world. We can make our points lucidly even when drinking.

It's fine, surprised at how much I can't even feel it.. one second I'm laying in the room talking to the nurse as she says "you probably wont even remember this conversation", oxygen tube thing is put in my nose, meds in the IV, next thing I know I'm laying in the rest area thing with a cloth cast on my arm..

Felt so.. stoned :D
haha...glad to hear its doing well. Wouldn't want you to have any trouble spamming me and SJS's thread;)

I just realized that I've been drinking throughout this entire thread.....tea, honey, and brandy....mmmm.....

Just thought that it was a rather random point I would contribute; support all us alcohol drinkers out there in the world. We can make our points lucidly even when drinking.
sometimes even better whilst drinking. And I speak better whilst smoking. Go figure.

Actually, I wrote some papers for a anthro class about both alcohol and tobacco and their use as a social aid (actually, I think I used the phrase "social lubricant"...haha)

haha...better stated than I ever could (atleast at 2:15 AM...haha).

by the way, I'm a he.


Why thank you very much. Yes, two in the morning, you must be another fellow EST'er....it's amazing how well I can function while sleep deprived (medical field professional career.....does that to you).

And thank you, about the he thing, I was wondering. I'm so horrible at trying to guess or remember someone's sex that I usually refer to them as they rather then he or she, and I won't call someone an it, that just seems wrong, even if the person doesn't take a specific gender.

Off the topic question, what state you from, if it's not too personal?

I just realized that I've been drinking throughout this entire thread.....tea, honey, and brandy....mmmm.....

Just thought that it was a rather random point I would contribute; support all us alcohol drinkers out there in the world. We can make our points lucidly even when drinking.
I want a lager.

haha...glad to hear its doing well. Wouldn't want you to have any trouble spamming me and SJS's thread;)
Nothing can stop me from spamming. You hear me? Nothing.

*proud grin*

Why thank you very much. Yes, two in the morning, you must be another fellow EST'er....it's amazing how well I can function while sleep deprived (medical field professional career.....does that to you).

And thank you, about the he thing, I was wondering. I'm so horrible at trying to guess or remember someone's sex that I usually refer to them as they rather then he or she, and I won't call someone an it, that just seems wrong, even if the person doesn't take a specific gender.

Off the topic question, what state you from, if it's not too personal?
haha...actually, my father is on call tonight, which is why I'm still up (I swear, if the phone rings again, I'm gonna scream)

some peoples genders I've memorized. And sadly, I've memorized some wrongly. I should use "they", but I tend to just masculinize. The ones who complain get remembered from then on.

I'm from CT, and currently home for the summer, but I go to school in Boston. you?

Nothing can stop me from spamming. You hear me? Nothing.

*proud grin*
I'm sure I can find SOMETHING

*devilish grin*

I want a lager.

I'm strictly a liquor or liquer drinker. I don't do beers, they taste too horrible for me. I've heard you acquire a taste for them, but I'm not about to drink enough of them to do so. I'd easier throw up drinking them and strawberry diaquiries then I would drinking straight shots of Bacardi 151 followed by Jack Daniels.

I don't know, always have been more found of the hard stuff, or the mixing stuff.....I'll drink a lot of mixed drinks when I'm not planning on getting drunk. Specifically White Russians and this tea and brandy. It's so damn good.

Wines are alright, champagnes too, but I'm not classy enough to drink those. ;)

:D

I swear, if the phone rings again, I'm gonna scream

some peoples genders I've memorized. And sadly, I've memorized some wrongly. I should use "they", but I tend to just masculinize. The ones who complain get remembered from then on.

I'm from CT, and currently home for the summer, but I go to school in Boston. you?

Oh yes, being on call.....fun fun fun..... *groans* That's when you disconnect the phone from the wall, or take out the cell phone battery, and have your father claim it was an accident. "Line we dead last night." "Damn kid lost my charger and my battery died." I'm sure he can think of something. ;)

I'll leave you to guess mine and let you go with it. I'm one of those people whose gender on NS is always mislabeled. In fact, for the first year and a half I was on NS, only a few people from my region knew my real gender. Then I started correcting people for shits and giggles; prior to that moment I didn't bother, it has always just been a game to me, so I didn't care if people were calling me the opposite sex. Got a lot of apologies and funny faces when people learned my real gender.....that and when I made my memorable thread that really got you questioning my sex to determine if I was gay or not. ;)

As for Conneticut, bad memories; beautiful place, just bad memories. I spent some time in New Haven, I believe it was.....it was nice. Me though, I'm from PA and FL. It's a tie, I spend most of my time in PA though, but love FL weather so much.

And I live, according to IL Ruffino, one hour from cheesesteaks and two from perogies.

I'm strictly a liquor or liquer drinker. I don't do beers, they taste too horrible for me. I've heard you acquire a taste for them, but I'm not about to drink enough of them to do so. I'd easier throw up drinking them and strawberry diaquiries then I would drinking straight shots of Bacardi 151 followed by Jack Daniels.

I don't know, always have been more found of the hard stuff, or the mixing stuff.....I'll drink a lot of mixed drinks when I'm not planning on getting drunk. Specifically White Russians and this tea and brandy. It's so damn good.

Wines are alright, champagnes too, but I'm not classy enough to drink those. ;)

:D
:eek:
Mr. Yeungling would smack you.
And after a few beers it's like drinking water, so, yes, it's true.

Speaking of bacardi, I think of the picture of the bacardi and the fire background when I think of you.. oh, and guess what I still have? The white power sign :eek:

Over easter I had vanilla vodka, went good with cherry coke, and oj.. and.. I.. um.. yum.

All this talk of drinking.. wanna go camping?

I'm sure I can find SOMETHING

*devilish grin*
Good luck :p

Age-legal can kiss my ass. I'll drink at whatever age I want, thank you very much. Laws should be for protecting people from other people, not protect people from themselves.

Thats exactly what laws are for.

And I live, according to IL Ruffino, one hour from cheesesteaks and two from perogies.
Don't you just love how true that really is?

Oh yes, being on call.....fun fun fun..... *groans* That's when you disconnect the phone from the wall, or take out the cell phone battery, and have your father claim it was an accident. "Line we dead last night." "Damn kid lost my charger and my battery died." I'm sure he can think of something. ;)done it before :)

I'll leave you to guess mine and let you go with it. I'm one of those people whose gender on NS is always mislabeled. In fact, for the first year and a half I was on NS, only a few people from my region knew my real gender. Then I started correcting people for shits and giggles; prior to that moment I didn't bother, it has always just been a game to me, so I didn't care if people were calling me the opposite sex. Got a lot of apologies and funny faces when people learned my real gender.....that and when I made my memorable thread that really got you questioning my sex to determine if I was gay or not. ;)you're an it, aren't you?
My first instinct is guy, but now you have me rethinking it.

As for Conneticut, bad memories; beautiful place, just bad memories. I spent some time in New Haven, I believe it was.....it was nice. Me though, I'm from PA and FL. It's a tie, I spend most of my time in PA though, but love FL weather so much.Eh. New haven should just join New York. I'm central area. And boston is SO much better.

And I live, according to IL Ruffino, one hour from cheesesteaks and two from perogies.that boys a smart one.

that boys a smart one.
You'd think that..

*rubs chin*
*thinks*

:eek:
Mr. Yeungling would smack you.
And after a few beers it's like drinking water, so, yes, it's true.

Speaking of bacardi, I think of the picture of the bacardi and the fire background when I think of you.. oh, and guess what I still have? The white power sign :eek:

Over easter I had vanilla vodka, went good with cherry coke, and oj.. and.. I.. um.. yum.

All this talk of drinking.. wanna go camping?


I love how everyone who knows me associates Bacardi and me as one. I should just be the Bacardi poster girl, it'd probably pay well! And that white power sign, goodness, I'm going to be shot just for you mentioning that. But that definately was not my doing......damn my German blood and people who call me a Nazi. ;)

Vanilla vodka, Blue Curacuo, vanilla ice cream, ice, blended until smooth........throw in a straw, the best damn Smurf (my official name for it) that you will ever have. I made that one up out of the "blue" one night. :D

Hey, I plan to be in the area somewhere in middle to late summer. It's a date. We should invite half of NS up! At least the alcoholics of NS. ;)

done it before :)

you're an it, aren't you?
My first instinct is guy, but now you have me rethinking it.

Eh. New haven should just join New York. I'm central area. And boston is SO much better.

that boys a smart one.


You should come down to Philly; we've got some interesting sights there. And hey, you can dodge bullets for your thirty minutes of vigorous activity per day.

According to others, he's "stupid." Goodness, I read that and lost more brain cells then I do drinking my 151!

Thats exactly what laws are for.
how the hell didI miss this?!
no, laws don't (or atleast should not) exist to protect you from yourself. If what you do does not harm others, there is no justification as to why you cannot do it. If I want to drive my car into a lake on my property, there is no reason I shouldn't be allowed to. If I have a bottle of vodka, and want to get shitfaced, why shouldn't I? As long as I don't go driving and risk other peoples lives, there is no problem. The government should not dictate our choices, decisions, and opinions. Those are ours.

I love how everyone who knows me associates Bacardi and me as one. I should just be the Bacardi poster girl, it'd probably pay well! And that white power sign, goodness, I'm going to be shot just for you mentioning that. But that definately was not my doing......damn my German blood and people who call me a Nazi. ;)
I'll call Bacardi HQ tommorow, and it's ok if you're a nazi with a grandmother who tells you to take breast enhancement pills.

Vanilla vodka, Blue Curacuo, vanilla ice cream, ice, blended until smooth........throw in a straw, the best damn Smurf (my official name for it) that you will ever have. I made that one up out of the "blue" one night. :D
You're going to make me one.

Hey, I plan to be in the area somewhere in middle to late summer. It's a date. We should invite half of NS up! At least the alcoholics of NS. ;)
That's a great idea! Where shall we throw this NS camp out?

You should come down to Philly; we've got some interesting sights there. And hey, you can dodge bullets for your thirty minutes of vigorous activity per day.

According to others, he's "stupid." Goodness, I read that and lost more brain cells then I do drinking my 151!
haha...thats the one thing I can't stand...the friggin moral high horse. You aren't perfect, so stop acting like it. Yes, I smoke. Yes, I know its bad for me and dangerous and will probably contribute to my death some day (although, I'm already all but assured lung cancer at some point anyway). But hey, its not the sum total of who I am.

I can quit smoking. You can't quit being a judgemental asshat.

[/rant]:)

You should come down to Philly; we've got some interesting sights there. And hey, you can dodge bullets for your thirty minutes of vigorous activity per day.

According to others, he's "stupid." Goodness, I read that and lost more brain cells then I do drinking my 151!
Philly has good chocolate and it's just.. *humps philly*

:eek: That site tells nothing but the truth!

Hey, I plan to be in the area somewhere in middle to late summer. It's a date. We should invite half of NS up! At least the alcoholics of NS. ;)
haha...I say we bring all the people deathly against drinking along for the ride. They can be self-rightous, and we can stumble around in a drunken stupor, crying first because we hate them so much, and later because we love them so much, eventually passing out in a pool of our own bodily fluids.:D

how the hell didI miss this?!
no, laws aren't (or atleast should not) exist to protect you from yourself. If what you do does not harm others, there is no justification as to why you cannot do it. If I want to drive my car into a lake on my property, there is no reason I shouldn't be allowed to. If I have a bottle of vodka, and want to get shitfaced, why shouldn't I? As long as I don't go driving and risk other peoples lives, there is no problem. The government should not dictate our choices, decisions, and opinions. Those are ours.

Wrong.

In a nation where half the population has psychological disorders, it does just that.

If you want to drive your car into a lake and pollute the water source, killing the wildlife by dumping oil into it, then yes.. you should be behind bars.

"As long as I don't go driving" - Thats the point.

The government should dictate those things, because without a modicum of control, criminals would have free reign, no?

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Ta.

Wrong.

In a nation where half the population has psychological disorders, it does just that. source? And no, I don't want just a figure that says that we have 50% population with a psych disorder (which I doubt in the first place), but one that says WHAT these disorders are. Autism? Depression? Schizophrenia? ADD/ADHD? Etc? There are dangerous disorders, non-dangerous disorders, and spectrum disorders. Not all are a danger to themselves.
And in the case of the ones who are a danger to themselves, they are placed under watch at hospitals and other facilities. Those who cannot live alone, do not. That simple. Welcome to the modern world of psychological disorders. Have you been missing for the last...what...thirty years?

If you want to drive your car into a lake and pollute the water source, killing the wildlife by dumping oil into it, then yes.. you should be behind bars.No, actually, if I can fish and hunt on my property, I can kill animals. It is simply a choice of how. No, you don't belong behind bars. And polluting a water source is NOT PROTECTING YOU FROM YOURSELF.

"As long as I don't go driving" - Thats the point.Which is why we have laws against drunk driving, NOT drinking. Drinking harms only me. Driving harms others. Your stance is that laws exist to protect one from ones self. You are doing a fantastic job supporting my stance here.

The government should dictate those things, because without a modicum of control, criminals would have free reign, no?did I argue against having laws? No. You bolded a sentence that said the government should not provide laws to protect us from ourselves, and disagreed with it. I support the stance that the government has no right to dictate what I do to myself, so long as it does not harm others. I can drink myself dead. That is fine. As long as I don't hurt someone or their property. Along that same logic, there should be no reason I can't inject heroin, snort cocane, or slit my wrist, so long as I don't infringe someone elses rights.

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edit: Did I really type "laws aren't exist"? Sheesh...what kinda English major am I?!

Alright, NS CAMP OUT PARTY IN THE STRIPPIN's!

Tell everyone!

And everyone, drinkers and nondrinkers alike are welcome. They could join us crazy people who sharpen axes for hours when we drink!



Off topic:

IL Ruffino, check the Regional HQ. I think you'll enjoy it. ;)

The government should not dictate our choices, decisions, and opinions. Those are ours.

^

So, if I made the choice to mangle your body, the government is not allowed to dictate a course of action? A punishment?

Laws exist to protect us from criminals, and us from ourselves. Sure, its your choice to shoot up herion, but that choice leads to other, more dangerous crime. The violent robbery sort where people get killed. ;) Talk about the ultimate infringement of one's rights.

Honestly, I have no problem with any of this. I drink.. I only had a problem with one, fairly obviously wrong statement. There was no need for you to get uppity and drop your pants in front of me in some bizzare testosterone filled ritual of arguement.

Going to bed.

Guys, I feel like I'm going to the gyno with my computer right now. I'm straddling it like you'd stirrup your feet at the gyno!

AND NO PEEKING!

Sorry, but this is rather comfortable, oddly. Just thought I'd add some more randomness to this thread. Blame the brandy.

;)

Or me, for drinking the brandy.

:D

Alright, NS CAMP OUT PARTY IN THE STRIPPIN's!

Tell everyone!

And everyone, drinkers and nondrinkers alike are welcome. They could join us crazy people who sharpen axes for hours when we drink!



Off topic:

IL Ruffino, check the Regional HQ. I think you'll enjoy it. ;)
You sharpen axes too?!

And, that picture makes me want to ask you; Do you have ADHD? :p

The government should not dictate our choices, decisions, and opinions. Those are ours.

^

So, if I made the choice to mangle your body, the government is not allowed to dictate a course of action? A punishment?Again, if you read the entire statement I made, I do not argue for no laws. I argue for no laws that exist to protect us from ourselves. If you chose to mangle my body, then you would be harming me, would you not? Therefore, the law does not protect me from myself, nor you from yourself. It protects me from you, and is a valid law.

Laws exist to protect us from criminals, and us from ourselves. Sure, its your choice to shoot up herion, but that choice leads to other, more dangerous crime. The violent robbery sort where people get killed. ;) Talk about the ultimate infringement of one's rights.Again, that is why we have laws about violent robbery and murder/manslaughter. The injection of heroin is not innately harmful to anyone but the person who does so. Therefore, it is pointless. Me killing someone, regardless of if I am on heroin or not, pretty clearly harms someone besides myself, and therefore, are valid.
Also, the slippery slope is a logical fallacy. Just because you use heroin doesn't mean you will commit violent crime.

Honestly, I have no problem with any of this. I drink.. I only had a problem with one, fairly obviously wrong statement. There was no need for you to get uppity and drop your pants in front of me in some bizzare testosterone filled ritual of arguement.um...o...kay...not sure what statement you are refering to...at all...:confused:

Guys, I feel like I'm going to the gyno with my computer right now. I'm straddling it like you'd stirrup your feet at the gyno!

AND NO PEEKING!

Sorry, but this is rather comfortable, oddly. Just thought I'd add some more randomness to this thread. Blame the brandy.

;)

Or me, for drinking the brandy.

:D
*peeks*
:eek: :D

Brandy.. share.

Over the last 9 months, my life has changed dramatically (and not in the pregnancy way). I've discovered that in order to have a good time, I need alcohol.

Now, you may think this isn't completely true; surely I can enjoy hobbies and such without a beer? You'd be wrong though - my major hobby, sailing, almost always ends with a drinking binge. As students, my friends and I drink so much as to exceed the government weekly unit-count of alcohol in a day. We even have a name for it - the litre club.

Tonight, for example. I fancied socialising with some friends, and I had two groups to choose from: the first, my major group, involved going to a very cheap bar and getting absolutely battered off cheap vodka, then dancing like a loon for 4 hours; the second group were sat in a bar, drinking themselves into oblivion whilst discussing what complete twats we'd made of ourselves the night before whilst pissed. To celebrate an exam I'd finished, I went out and got wasted - not too bad, you might think, except I had an exam in another 3 days which I had not prepared for at all. Our lives revolve around drinking.

My question to you, then, the interweb public; has alcohol taken over my social life? I'll remind you that, even though this was a light week (what with exams and all), I've still been out getting smashed 4 nights out of 7 and I'm fucking blotto as I type this mournful post.
you sound like a typical student to me. that was me in my first year of uni. by the second we'd switched to needing to be stoned or otherwise high to have a good time. and even then its not a good time.

if i were you i'd earnestly analyse whether you really are having a good time getting trashed like this, or whether its just something you do, a rut you're in, or just a social thing - if all the people in your social groups are always getting trashed and you no longer like it (have grown up out of it) then perhaps its time to find some new friends?

i can only give you advice and stuff from my own life and experiences, i'm afraid

i wouldn't call it alcoholism, as you aren't addicted or anything ridiculous like that, but needing a substance to have a good time isn't healthy, drinking that much isn't healthy anyway, and just generally speaking its kinda sad when you need to have x or y to enjoy yourself.

try going some time without a drink (while still doing normal hobbies and social things) and i think you'll find you don't actually need booze to have fun. (what i did - haven't had a drink or a spliff or a pill in 11 months now (roughly speaking)... ooh)

Guys, I feel like I'm going to the gyno with my computer right now. I'm straddling it like you'd stirrup your feet at the gyno!

AND NO PEEKING!

Sorry, but this is rather comfortable, oddly. Just thought I'd add some more randomness to this thread. Blame the brandy.

;)

Or me, for drinking the brandy.

:D

If only my tequila was nearby I would have to toast to your virtual randomness.

I enjoy people and things much more when I drink as well. If I was able to have the relaxed, confident, comfortable when around people, social, warm fuzzy feeling that I get when I'm drinking -- (not drunk ofcourse -- that area when you get that good fuzzy feeling -- a good buzz) sober, It'd be great. If the negative effects of alcohol was non existant ofcourse.. I'd probably always be drinking. But our bodies can't handle indefinite intoxication. I've known binge drinkers.. people who started drinking on a friday evening and didn't stop until sunday.. not eating hardly anything the entire weekend.. and at every waking moment .. drinking. A friend of mine here in my hometown died from that at age 40 a few years back. I'm not that kind of drinker. Nor do I drink everyday, but I do like a good beer buzz.

In my post of talking about myself, I forgot to respond to your question.

Not sure how old you are, but I'd wager you are fairly young. I also don't know if you have a history of alcoholism in your family. As you get older, and your life and priorities change, your drinking will more than likely slow down, a lot. There are many descriptions of alcoholics.. by some I am one. My drinking doesn't bother my work, doesn't get me in trouble(anymore) nor does it hinder my personal relationships. But I drink quite a few times a year. If you are over 24 I'd start slowing it down, and learning how to enjoy yourself, activities and others.. while sober.

Sounds to me like you need more pot.

I only drink when I run out of chronic. I haven't had a drink in 9 months. ;)

When I stopped drinking and smoking cigs for the brief time (9-10 months)I did, I smoked grass the whole time. I felt a hell of alot better physically. I think it was from not smoking that made me feel better.. but possibly a combination of the two.

Obviously I started back both .. and I haven't trained myself to drink without smoking yet.. and I don't want to stop drinking.

When I stopped drinking and smoking cigs for the brief time (9-10 months)I did, I smoked grass the whole time. I felt a hell of alot better physically. I think it was from not smoking that made me feel better.. but possibly a combination of the two.

Obviously I started back both .. and I haven't trained myself to drink without smoking yet.. and I don't want to stop drinking.
Ah that weird craving for a cig when drinking. Where does it come from?

Ah that weird craving for a cig when drinking. Where does it come from?

I've known people that smoke only when drinking. Strange. Not sure if the smoke or the drink comes first. There should be a world wide investigation.

I've known people that smoke only when drinking. Strange. Not sure if the smoke or the drink comes first. There should be a world wide investigation.

I'm sure there will be plenty of volunteers to participate in this investigation.

HAving been at uni 5 years (im stupid), I have done a fair amount of drinking, but for some reason lately I only go out about once a week, and get stoned even less. In the first year we managed to go out 90 days straight, and we were stoned most of the time as well. THe second year was much the same, and the third year even worse for some reason. THere arent many places to go, one week I managed to go to the same club 4 nights in a row. That doesnt sound so bad but its not the kind of place you want to go to more than once a week. I started to get a horrible de ja vu. And everyone said I was an alcoholic. which was a bit harsh since they were all drunk whenever I was.

But now, I hardly drink at all. If I try to do two days running I cant even walk the day after. And I drink a lot less when I am out. I guess its just age and wear and tear telling me to slow down and get a goddamn job.

THats what I dont understand about alcoholics. How do they manage it? That level of drinking is fine for a few years but it just becomes too painfull! How the hell do they manage to get out of bed and start drinking again? Ive had hangovers where a big fire couldnt have gotten me out of bed. Luckily it turned out someone had just left the grill on.

If there are any alcoholics on, who have been at it for over 5 years, please tell me how you keep doing it! Im going on holiday in a couple of days and I have to drink for 7 days. Please tell me how to do it! The closest Ive found to a hangover cure is morphine and thats not really ideal somehow. I need help!

With regards to the whole laws shouldn't be made to protect us from ourselves, it's not really fair to blame the government for that. They're just covering asses from lawsuits. It would be fine to have no need to protect people from themselves if they'd take responsibility for thier own actions. I mean, you people sue for anything. I mean if you get drunk stumble out of a bar and get hit by a car, you can sue the establishment (the bar) for giving you too much drink and causing you to jump in front of traffic (serious). People are suing ciggarette companies cos they chose to smoke and now have cancer.

so psshh to that

Ah that weird craving for a cig when drinking. Where does it come from?Probably because alcohol is a downer and nicotine is an upper; perhaps it's your body trying to find equilibrium?

And Sarkhaan dropped his pants and I missed it? Damn.

*raises hand*

I have not, nor will I ever, consume alcohol. It is an absolutely moronic practice. I understand wanting to have a glass of wine or a beer with dinner, but any alcohol that is drunk that causes an adverse affect on someone's mental faculties is just plain stupid.

Damn! Lighten up a little, will ya.

how the hell didI miss this?!
no, laws don't (or atleast should not) exist to protect you from yourself. If what you do does not harm others, there is no justification as to why you cannot do it. If I want to drive my car into a lake on my property, there is no reason I shouldn't be allowed to. If I have a bottle of vodka, and want to get shitfaced, why shouldn't I? As long as I don't go driving and risk other peoples lives, there is no problem. The government should not dictate our choices, decisions, and opinions. Those are ours.

Thank you!

Well, after reading this thread (I say reading, I really mean skim reading - I ignored that whole "substances are bad" rant in the middle, partly because it came across as a bit pious but mostly because I have heard it all before) I've decided that we, as a group, definitely drink too much. After some brief guesstimating with my friends, there hasn't been a day during university time that at least 1/3 of the main group hasn't been pissed together.

However, I gave it some proper thought today and decided that I'm one of the lighter drinkers of our group. Not only am I a lightweight (I weigh just over 9st, what do you expect?:p ) but I tend to turn down alot of the offers of a drinking session. Aside from that, we socialise soberly during the day on most days as well. It's just that after about 10pm, if someone mentions going out then we will almost certainly go out and, thanks to very cheap drinks and very dingy bars, tend to get plastered. Everyone's going out tonight, for example, except for me and a couple of others, but that's mainly because I have an exam on monday that I haven't revised for.

Anyway, I think I'll try to slow down a bit. Hopefully, not living in halls next year will mean less opportunity to get wasted. :)