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Christian Traditions

Xranate
19-05-2006, 20:50
Which tradition are you a member of if you are a Christian?

By tradition, I mean school (for lack of a better word) of Christian theology.

I'm Charismatic and Reformed and of Presbyterian stock.

I guess I maybe ought to define the lesser known terms:

Reformed: "proper" term for Calvinists, they are Evangelical

Arminian: term for any Evangelical who disagrees with Calvin's definition of predestination

Pentacostal: Arminians who beleive in Baptism of the Holy Spirit, a second blessing of the Holy Spirit prompted by personal piety. The blessing begins speaking and interpretation of tongues, faith healing, and prophecy among other things.

Charismatics: Chrisitans who believe that the blessings mentioned under Pentacostal are available today, but reject the teaching of Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Non-Liturgical: none of the above - any Christian or group of Christians who does not follow a liturgy or whose liturgy does not agree with any other group of Christians. A liturgy is may be a confession of faith, a prescription for worship, or both.
Ginnoria
19-05-2006, 20:52
I go to a Catholic High School. We have mass every month.
Imperiux
19-05-2006, 20:52
I'm one of the atheist christians whose parents cannot be bothered to accept I do not want t be labelled as a hypocrit for officially believing in something I really don't.
Prussiatopia
19-05-2006, 20:52
None. Thank god for Athiestism! Christianity is generally illogical IMO. With all this incest, "Autism is the devil", and what have you...

Note, these are opinions. Don't be offended and then shove "morality" down my throat.
Ginnoria
19-05-2006, 20:54
None. Thank god for Athiestism! Christianity is generally illogical IMO. With all this incest, "Autism is the devil", and what have you...

Note, these are opinions. Don't be offended and then shove "morality" down my throat.
How dare you, blasphemer. Your soul will find eternal torment in the flames of hell. Repent now and vote Republican and Jesus will have mercy.
Xranate
19-05-2006, 20:54
None. Thank god for Athiestism! Christianity is generally illogical IMO. With all this incest, "Autism is the devil", and what have you...

Note, these are opinions. Don't be offended and then shove "morality" down my throat.

Which "Christians" have you been listening to? :confused:
Seathorn
19-05-2006, 20:54
Lutheran Protestant, what's that?
Kzord
19-05-2006, 20:55
Thank god for Athiestism!
Atheistism? You mean Atheism I think.
Prussiatopia
19-05-2006, 20:56
How dare you, blasphemer. Your soul will find eternal torment in the flames of hell. Repent now and vote Republican and Jesus will have mercy.

Voting? WTF? Evil democratic bastard. I wont vote any "redneck" or believe in any "Jesus". REMOVE THOSE WORDS FROM YOUR VOLCABULARY! I'll never repent. I am going to... run away... and rant on a crappy internet blog that gets 0 hits a day about how much I hate you... it's all I can do really.
DrunkenDove
19-05-2006, 20:58
I was raised Roman Catholic. I am now an atheist.
Prussiatopia
19-05-2006, 20:59
Which "Christians" have you been listening to? :confused:

Not really "Christians" as such... but misinformation from people who are very ignorant of Chrstianity who are also athiest. Meh.
Xranate
19-05-2006, 21:01
Lutheran Protestant, what's that?

99% of Lutherans are Non-Charismatic Arminians.
Kryozerkia
19-05-2006, 21:03
If I practiced, I'd be Roman Catholic.
Quamia
19-05-2006, 21:04
I don't know what the difference is between "Charismatic Reformed" and "Non-Charismatic Reformed." But I'm a Calvinist, and I'm shy, so I just went with "Non-Charismatic."

Roman Catholicism is as different from the Reformed faith as Judaism is from Christianity. . . .
Dempublicents1
19-05-2006, 21:10
I'm not familiar with all of the classifications on your poll, but I'd probably fit under Christian but "none of the above". I don't hold to any particular denomination, although you could probably find aspects of them in my theology. If nothing else, I suppose you could place me under the Roman Catholic definition of "heretic." LOL
DrunkenDove
19-05-2006, 21:11
But I'm a Calvinist, and I'm shy, so I just went with "Non-Charismatic."

Heh.

Wiki on the Charismatic movement. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_movement)
Xranate
19-05-2006, 21:16
I don't know what the difference is between "Charismatic Reformed" and "Non-Charismatic Reformed." But I'm a Calvinist, and I'm shy, so I just went with "Non-Charismatic."

Roman Catholicism is as different from the Reformed faith as Judaism is from Christianity. . . .

Charismatics in both the Reformed and Arminian traditions practice speaking in tongues, faith healing, prochecy (though not to rival biblical prophecy). However, they reject baptism of the Holy Spirit, which separates them from Pentacostals.

There are no Pentacostal Calvinists: the whole idea of Baptism of the Holy Spirit is that one's piety prompts a second blessing from the Holy Spirit. This contradicts the Reformed teaching of God's sovereignty.

There are some Augustinian Roman Catholics. Calvinists are Augustinian. The main difference is whether tradition is equal to Scripture. I don't know if I agree with your statement or not.
UpwardThrust
19-05-2006, 21:18
I was raised Roman Catholic. I am now an atheist.
Same
Xranate
19-05-2006, 21:18
I'm not familiar with all of the classifications on your poll, but I'd probably fit under Christian but "none of the above". I don't hold to any particular denomination, although you could probably find aspects of them in my theology. If nothing else, I suppose you could place me under the Roman Catholic definition of "heretic." LOL

Non-Liturgical is the theologians way of saying "none of the above." They don't follow a liturgy or don't share a liturgy with any other group of Christians. A liturgy is basically a confession of faith or a prescribed form of worship.
Bolol
19-05-2006, 21:19
Roman Catholic...eh, it works for me.
UpwardThrust
19-05-2006, 21:23
Roman Catholic...eh, it works for me.
Sometimes I miss being RC and fiting in with my family
Quinntonian Dra-pol
19-05-2006, 21:26
I don't know what the difference is between "Charismatic Reformed" and "Non-Charismatic Reformed." But I'm a Calvinist, and I'm shy, so I just went with "Non-Charismatic."

Roman Catholicism is as different from the Reformed faith as Judaism is from Christianity. . . .


Just sitting here and plugging away at my Religious Studies degree and getting ready for my Masters, probably moving onto my Doctorate when I am finished. I am what is known as an uber-theology geek, so naturally this thread catches the eye.

First, to respond to the Lutheran that posted, which synod do you belong to? I am LCC, which is the Canadian sister synod in full alter and communion fellowship with the LCMS in the states.

Lutherans who know their history will know that we never called ourselves Lutheran at the beginning. We called ourselves Evangelical Catholics, as opposed to Roman Catholics. In Germany they referred to themselves as the Evengalishk, the people of the Gospel. They were the first Evangelicals.

So, I had a tough time answering the poll up top, as I am definitely not a non-Evangelical Protestant, but I can't identify myself as Evangelical either, because that word has been co-opted by a political movement in the USA.

What to do?

On the other hand, saying that Roman Catholicism is that different is just obtuse. As a Lutheran, I have little love for the Roman Catholics, but they are still my Christian brothers and sisters. Different denomination, not different religion. When speaking to my Jewsish friends, I am happy to state that we are close in faith, as we both accept the TaNaK Hebrew Bible, but we are definitely of different faiths.

Just my two cents.



WWJD
Amen.
King Arthur the Great
19-05-2006, 21:27
Roman Catholic, but alas, disillusioned with both parties, as both are parties of death. GOP wants to kill the convicts (Jesus showed mercy) and the DEMs want to kill the babies (not their fault that their mothers are pregnant.) So, how does a devut, truly Christisn guy vote? Economically, Jesus was a Democrat (accept it) but morally, Jesus would extol Republican right to life ideals. Decisions, Decisions.
Bolol
19-05-2006, 21:27
Sometimes I miss being RC and fiting in with my family

What stops you? Are they particularly religious?
UpwardThrust
19-05-2006, 21:29
What stops you? Are they particularly religious?
Oh I fake it sometimes around them

Yes they are ... well on a scale of 1-10 they are a 7 or so (not crazy but ...)

But I can hardly have "faith" in something I dont believe in, I can fake it to get along but thats not quite the same.
DrunkenDove
19-05-2006, 21:31
Roman Catholic, but alas, disillusioned with both parties, as both are parties of death. GOP wants to kill the convicts (Jesus showed mercy) and the DEMs want to kill the babies (not their fault that their mothers are pregnant.) So, how does a devut, truly Christisn guy vote? Economically, Jesus was a Democrat (accept it) but morally, Jesus would extol Republican right to life ideals. Decisions, Decisions.

Spoil your vote. I advise drawing a picture of a duck on the ballot.
Dempublicents1
19-05-2006, 21:36
Non-Liturgical is the theologians way of saying "none of the above." They don't follow a liturgy or don't share a liturgy with any other group of Christians. A liturgy is basically a confession of faith or a prescribed form of worship.

I figured that might be what you meant.
Quinntonian Dra-pol
20-05-2006, 19:19
Wow, no wonder this one died, no one here seems to have any idea what those words for the poll mean, perhaps some definition would be in order?
WWJD
Amen.