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This has been inspired by the "an honest question about liberals" thread. This poll will settle the debate once and for all! (Note: this for liberals only.) You must choose your favourite:

Islamic Fundamentalist Regiemes

or

Conservatism, Republicans, Slightly Right wing government etc...]

Hmm so difficult :rolleyes:

****Poll Coming****

IFR or CRR?

Neither, thank you.

Suicide.

IFR or CRR?

Neither, thank you.

Yes but if you had to choose. Look at it this way, would you rather have Bush or Khamenei.

I hate them both but I would tend to prefer a right-wing government although it would of course depend how extreme it was.

Yes but if you had to choose.
In that case I would choose to leave the country.

I would say Islamofascist government IS right-wing government.

I don't think theocracies are healthy

Why don't we replace "Islamic" with "Catholic" so we could have both at the same time?

i.e. a Right-wing Catholic fundamentalist regime?

That would be fun...

I hate them both but I would tend to prefer a right-wing government although it would of course depend how extreme it was.

Ok lets say, not fascist. Just slightly right wing.

Ok lets say, not fascist. Just slightly right wing.
I would certainly prefer a moderate right-wing government as we've got in France or Germany, for example, than any Islamic régime.

I don't understand how you can't choose. I would much rather live in a place like america then say Iran. Even if I am a liberal.

It's a matter of the lesser of two evils. Americans are used to making this sort of choice; we vote for whichever politician we think is slightly less likely to be the spawn of satan every 4 years.

That's like asking why can't you choose? Shot or stabbed?!

It's two undesirable results, why would anyone pick either?

It's a matter of the lesser of two evils. Americans are used to making this sort of choice; we vote for whichever politician we think is slightly less likely to be the spawn of satan every 4 years.

That's why in about 20 years there'll be more Electoral votes than actual voters. Some of us are tired of the horrible candidates who show up constantly.

Option A, here. Mainly because I have a macabre sense of humour. That, and we'd get a chance to overthrow a dictator, rather than a legit form of government, which would mean I'd have an excuse to get up and do something.

That's like asking why can't you choose? Shot or stabbed?!

It's two undesirable results, why would anyone pick either?

Do you honestly think that a slightly right wing government is only slightly better then an extreme fundamentalist government.

I think most people would prefer a democracy, even if moderately on the right, than a country which refuses to tolerate anyone who fails to comply with, or speaks out against, the tyrannical rules set down by some ancient text.

I think most would prefer a democracy, even if moderately on the right, than a country which refuses to tolerate anyone who fails to comply with, or speaks out against, the tyrannical rules set down by some ancient text.

Exactly, im quite surprised at the comments. I always thought that most of us (liberals) were more sensible.

Why don't we replace "Islamic" with "Catholic" so we could have both at the same time?

i.e. a Right-wing Catholic fundamentalist regime?

That would be fun...

Personally I think a hard-line Unitarian Universalist regime would be quite fun.

Cthulhu.

Cthulhu.

Eh? (bump)

Do you honestly think that a slightly right wing government is only slightly better then an extreme fundamentalist government.


Your poll doesn't say slightly, it says "Right Wing". I'd rather not live in any theocracy, no matter which invisible puppet master in the sky is behind it.

Yes but if you had to choose. Look at it this way, would you rather have Bush or Khamenei.

If I had too choose (or my son would be excruciatingly executed) - I would choose Khamenei. Not because I agree with him in any way, but because at least I would know what I was getting. With Bush I would be dependent upon whoever happens to have his ear at the time - an unknown quantity.

However I would explore all possible alternatives to choosing one or the other. (I left the UK in part due to Blair.)

Eh? (bump)

Why chose the lesser evil?

Yes but if you had to choose. Look at it this way, would you rather have Bush or Khamenei.

SUICIDE.

Actually in a choice between theocracies I'd probably try and take out as many high government officials as possible before being killed.

If I had too choose (or my son would be excruciatingly executed) - I would choose Khamenei. Not because I agree with him in any way, but because at least I would know what I was getting. With Bush I would be dependent upon whoever happens to have his ear at the time - an unknown quantity.

However I would explore all possible alternatives to choosing one or the other. (I left the UK in part due to Blair.)

Living under a puppet is still better then living under a dictator. As long as the government stays democratic.

Living under a puppet is still better then living under a dictator. As long as the government stays democratic.


That's an absurd assumption. How many dedicated right-wing governments stay democracies? Any time a government stops listening to a majority of their population they're not going to stay a democracy, wether right or left wing.

Living under a puppet is still better then living under a dictator. As long as the government stays democratic.

Puppetry is the antithesis of democracy. You vote for one person, and another, whom you know nothing about, calls the shots.

Dictatorship is bad, but honest. Puppetry is dishonest dictatorship. You would seriously choose the latter?

That's an absurd assumption. How many dedicated right-wing governments stay democracies? Any time a government stops listening to a majority of their population they're not going to stay a democracy, wether right or left wing.

Im not talking about the extreme right.

Puppetry is the antithesis of democracy. You vote for one person, and another, whom you know nothing about, calls the shots.

Dictatorship is bad, but honest. Puppetry is dishonest dictatorship. You would seriously choose the latter?

I wouldn't call it a dictatorship, if its just slightly right wing. Even if its as extreme as Thatcherism, it's still certainly not a dictatorship.

Im not talking about the extreme right.

The problem here is that you are, in worldwide terms, but you just don't realise it.

The problem here is that you are, in worldwide terms, but you just don't realise it.

I am? Let me check, nope im not.

Right-wing Government. At least they're about smaller government (i.e. less taxes) AND if you disagree with them you don't have to worry about being imprisoned. You might have to put up with a lot of roaming prayer groups... but at least it's not prison. :D

Right-wing Government. At least they're about smaller government (i.e. less taxes) AND if you disagree with them you don't have to worry about being imprisoned. You might have to put up with a lot of roaming prayer groups... but at least it's not prison. :D

They're about smaller government when they aren't in charge of it.

This has been inspired by the "an honest question about liberals" thread. This poll will settle the debate once and for all! (Note: this for liberals only.) You must choose your favourite:

Islamic Fundamentalist Regiemes

or

Conservatism, Republicans, Slightly Right wing government etc...]

Hmm so difficult :rolleyes:

****Poll Coming****
You do realize that other thread was shut down for trolling because of the inanity of the opening post, right? I don't see a whole lot of difference with this one.

You do realize that other thread was shut down for trolling because of the inanity of the opening post, right? I don't see a whole lot of difference with this one.

It's a valid point: do liberals really side with islamic fundamentalism? No.

I am? Let me check, nope im not.

You asked me to choose between Bush and Khamenei.

Bush, by world political standards is extreme right wing. Fact, not opinion.

Point out any current democratic government that is to the right of the current USA administration please.

Wheres the "start revolution" option?

You asked me to choose between Bush and Khamenei.

Bush, by world political standards is extreme right wing. Fact, not opinion.

Point out any current democratic government that is to the right of the current USA administration please.

Ok i used bush as an example, but the actual point of the thread was not extreme right wing government. However, i still dont regard Bush as extreme right wing although i do detest him.

I would say Islamofascist government IS right-wing government.
Seconded.
Ok lets say, not fascist. Just slightly right wing.
While we're at it, why not change fundamentalist to not-so-extreme, slightly pious? ;)

Cthulhu.
Ïa Ïa Cthulhu fhtagn! :eek:

(Cthulhu for president!)

Wheres the "start revolution" option?


Apparently Hydes is unaware of our right to revolution when the government ceases serving the people.

Apparently Hydes is unaware of our right to revolution when the government ceases serving the people.

A revolution would show that you would rather not live in that kind of government.

It's a valid point: do liberals really side with islamic fundamentalism? No.Yes, but your question is still bullshit, as it posits an either/or situation when in the real world, no such situation exists.

A revolution would show that you would rather not live in that kind of government.

Yeah, I'd rather not. I'd kind of hope you'd of picked up on that by now.

Yes, but your question is still bullshit, as it posits an either/or situation when in the real world, no such situation exists.

It's not a situation, it just asks which idealism you prefer. Would it be more balanced if i put a "They are exactly as bad as eachother" option?

Quit calling it a theocracy.... a Theocracy is run by GOD, not by people who believe in a god. And as a far right-wing Christian, I do NOT believe our government ought to be run as if it were a theocracy... God never endorsed it, He never said He wanted to run it... if they claim God is in charge, they're just making excuses to say whatever they want. The only real theocracy was ancient Israel, and that didn't really go so well. Heh.

I don't think I can vote in this one because the poll options seem to be the same thing...

I see we've already got people working on the issue of explaining what "Right-wing" means to the original poster.

I don't think I can vote in this one because the poll options seem to be the same thing...

I see we've already got people working on the issue of explaining what "Right-wing" means to the original poster.

Ugh!

Of course I know that Islamic Fundamentalism is extreme Right Wing but when you describe a government like that you don't usually call it a right wing government. Usually when you say right wing government it is used as a genral term to describe, say, the Bush administration. You're the one who is in need of advice if you believe that they are the same thing.

Ugh!

Of course I know that Islamic Fundamentalism is extreme Right Wing but when you describe a government like that you don't usually call it a right wing government. Usually when you say right wing government it is used as a genral term to describe, say, the Tories.

Modern British politics (i.e the last 15 years or so) has offered a choice of fractionally right of center and center. The Tories nowadays are barely right wing. They are certainly not exemplary of right wing politics. The BNP would be a better example.

Sorry I quoted you before your edit. It does indicate though that you do seem to lack a perspective on this matter.

Modern British politics (i.e the last 15 years or so) has offered a choice of fractionally right of center and center. The Tories nowadays are barely right wing. They are certainly not exemplary of right wing politics. The BNP would be a better example.

Sorry I quoted you before your edit. It does indicate though that you do seem to lack a perspective on this matter.

When i mentioned the Tories at first, I was really thinking back to more Thatcherism for some reason. Also in England right wing can be percieved as a bit more left wing then in America.

Ugh!

Of course I know that Islamic Fundamentalism is extreme Right Wing but when you describe a government like that you don't usually call it a right wing government. Usually when you say right wing government it is used as a genral term to describe, say, the Bush administration. You're the one who is in need of advice if you believe that they are the same thing.

You don't call Islamic Fundmentalist regimes right wing governments? I do. Anytime you mention right wing governments they should come to mind, just as much as the Bush Regime...er Adminstration.
If the poll option is "Extreme Right Wing" or "Moderate Right Wing" then the choice for someone who is on the left is obvious. But the poll doesn't say that, it just says "Islamic Fundmentalist" or "Right Wing". Being as that is the same thing, it doesn't really give an option. Now you could say "Democratic Right Wing" vs "Non-democratic Right Wing", in which case the choice for a leftist is obvious.

Are you attempting to make a point with this poll or is it a real question?

Are you attempting to make a point with this poll or is it a real question?

I think his point is Liberals can't quit arguing semantics long enough to vote.

You don't call Islamic Fundmentalist regimes right wing governments? I do. Anytime you mention right wing governments they should come to mind, just as much as the Bush Regime...er Adminstration.
If the poll option is "Extreme Right Wing" or "Moderate Right Wing" then the choice for someone who is on the left is obvious. But the poll doesn't say that, it just says "Islamic Fundmentalist" or "Right Wing". Being as that is the same thing, it doesn't really give an option. Now you could say "Democratic Right Wing" vs "Non-democratic Right Wing", in which case the choice for a leftist is obvious.

Are you attempting to make a point with this poll or is it a real question?

Firstly, it is explained what i mean by right wing in the original post anyway! Also the original point was to show that Liberals do not side with Islamic Fundamentalism or think that they are politicaly better then the Bush adminstration or the Tories as was claimed in another thread. Thats why i used islamic fundamentalism rather then just extreme right wing.

There's an age old political maxim that applies here:

"When I have to choose between two evils, I always try to pick the one I haven't tried before."

Actual Islam isn't so bad, even Islamic states don't have to be. The Shrubbery, he's pretty horrifying.

Ok lets say, not fascist. Just slightly right wing.
Nooo... Leave the fascists, leave the fascists, please... I beg you.
*signs to fascists to hide, pointing to their left.

My favourite is the Right Wing Government. Hilarious.

People choose to be oppressed, treated like shit and have their values stripped from them at the sheer whim by a bunch of pseudo-upper-class autocrats.

Cracks me up. Really, it does.

I am against hurting people and taking away their rights, so I guess that makes me a liberal. I prefer a right wing government, simply because they do less harm to the people and the country. America and most European countries have had right wing conservative governments from time to time, and while they have done a lot of harm, the countries have generally recovered. Islamic fundamentalists have utterly ruined every country they have ruled, and seek to ruin everywhere else.

My favourite is the Right Wing Government. Hilarious.

People choose to be oppressed, treated like shit and have their values stripped from them at the sheer whim by a bunch of pseudo-upper-class autocrats.

Cracks me up. Really, it does.

Oh don't you worry about them, my little plaything, "people vote to be suppressed, treated like shit and have their values stripped from them at the sheer whim by a bunch of pseudo-upper-class business owners."

The rulers, you see, are always MY friends...

Cracks me up. Really, it does.
Don't worry, I will...

I'd much rather have the right-wing government. The theocracy will almost certainly be right-wing anyway, and with the right-wing government (assuming they still have democracy) I can vote against them in another four years. Under a theocracy, I can either accept the violations of my human rights or join a revolutionary movement which will probably either be squashed by the current government or devolve into another dictatorship led by the demagogues and warlords of the revolution.

This has been inspired by the "an honest question about liberals" thread. This poll will settle the debate once and for all! (Note: this for liberals only.) You must choose your favourite:

Islamic Fundamentalist Regiemes

or

Conservatism, Republicans, Slightly Right wing government etc...]

Hmm so difficult :rolleyes:

****Poll Coming****
well, when you get down to it, they're really not so different from each other...

This has been inspired by the "an honest question about liberals" thread. This poll will settle the debate once and for all! (Note: this for liberals only.) You must choose your favourite:



****Poll Coming****

What a let down! I was hoping that this thread would have turned into a liberal bitch-fest and supportive group hug instead of another soap box shouting match. there oughta be a law and some sort of protective umbrella to prevent this.;)

What a let down! I was hoping that this thread would have turned into a liberal bitch-fest and supportive group hug instead of another soap box shouting match. there oughta be a law and some sort of protective umbrella to prevent this.;)


Give Bush sufficent time in office..

Oh don't you worry about them, my little plaything, "people vote to be suppressed, treated like shit and have their values stripped from them at the sheer whim by a bunch of pseudo-upper-class business owners."

The rulers, you see, are always MY friends...

Don't worry, I will...
Oh, hey Satan. I, uh, kinda broke the last demon you sent at me. Poor thing... almost felt sorry for it with all of that steam pouring out of its eyes. Ah, well. His insurance should cover the psychiatry bills.

Hey, how's that whole underworld thing coming along? I hear the real-estate on the 7th level is becoming very profitable.

Suicide.
Liberalism is favourable in any sense, but Utopia isn't this century, so vote to legalise euthanasia just in case.

Give Bush sufficent time in office..

He has maxed out his term limits and almost certainly his ability to be elected even if he could run again.

Its congress that passes laws to protect people from rudeness anyway.

Oh, hey Satan. I, uh, kinda broke the last demon you sent at me. Poor thing... almost felt sorry for it with all of that steam pouring out of its eyes. Ah, well. His insurance should cover the psychiatry bills.
You're seeing demons with steam pouring out of your eyes? Well, if I were you, I would stay quiet about it, or they will lock you up in a psychiatric unit. I can't promise I can help you out afterwards... Well, I can promise, but I can't promise I will keep up to it.
Hey, how's that whole underworld thing coming along?
Look around...

Mind me saying, a bit earlier than expected...
What year are we now?

Liberalism is favourable in any sense, but Utopia isn't this century, so vote to legalise euthanasia just in case.
Please don't, this is my favourite horror show of suffering...

You're seeing demons with steam pouring out of your eyes?
Their eyes. I think it was trying to cry. Seriously, get some counselling down there; the hours you have your minions working is driving them to pieces.
Well, if I were you, I would stay quiet about it, or they will lock you up in a psychiatric unit. I can't promise I can help you out afterwards... Well, I can promise, but I can't promise I will keep up to it.
Psychiatrists. What do they know? They told me I was seeing things, but boy were they shocked when that flying pink elephant actually landed on their car...

Haha...

*Mumbles to self for a bit*

Their eyes. I think it was trying to cry. Seriously, get some counselling down there; the hours you have your minions working is driving them to pieces.
:mad: Counselling, for MY minions? What do YOU know, little thing? They only work 8 hours a day! The other 16 are filled with pleasurable and enjoyable activities, like sticking bamboo under their finger nails and stuff...
Psychiatrists. What do they know? They told me I was seeing things, but boy were they shocked when that flying pink elephant actually landed on their car...
Dammit, not again?! That's your God with His love-dove sense of humour...
*twists head a couple of times, before throwing up*

My life in the U.S. is most likely much better than it would be in Iran. So, slightly right wing is better in this case. Make that more than "slightly." But both are abhorrent.

What's the diff?

Canada.

Isn't there supposed to be a difference between the two options of a poll?

Yes, the two options are supposed to be different. They're also both supposed to be viable choices. It doesn't make sense to ask people whether they prefer ebola or ebola, for example. It also doesn't make sense to ask them whether they prefer ebola or herpes, since the answer is going to be obvious.

You should also be careful about what you deduce from such a poll. If you think "hey, 90% of the population want to have herpes" because of such a poll, you are sorely mistaken.

He has maxed out his term limits and almost certainly his ability to be elected even if he could run again.

Its congress that passes laws to protect people from rudeness anyway.


Did Clinton take the little rubber stamp that says "VETO"? I mean Bush has gleefully signed everything the REPUBLICAN congress has put forth.

I would say Islamofascist government IS right-wing government.
To the extreme!!!