NationStates Jolt Archive

Wondering about this, apart from the Romans and the Etruscans (and a few other minor tribes), and the Americans and the Red Indians, how many truly successful genocides can you name?

There's plenty of Armenians still around, ditto Jews, various ex-Soviet republics keep their ethnic groups regardless of Stalin's best efforts. Darfur is still an on-going project and the only other I can think of is some random little tribe in Vietnam.

So who tried and made it big-time? Name in lights etc etc.

I've wiped out several entire collonies of ants before with organophosphate chemical weapons.

Wondering about this, apart from the Romans and the Etruscans (and a few other minor tribes), and the Americans and the Red Indians, how many truly successful genocides can you name?

There's plenty of Armenians still around, ditto Jews, various ex-Soviet republics keep their ethnic groups regardless of Stalin's best efforts. Darfur is still an on-going project and the only other I can think of is some random little tribe in Vietnam.

So who tried and made it big-time? Name in lights etc etc.

You're bored, I can tell.

Even if the treatment of American Indians and unspecified Soviet ethnic groups amounted to genocide (and I myself think it was another kind of crime against humanity), the Indians in question are still around.

Flip through the old testament. The Jews commit genocide left and right against groups of Caananites which were highly successful. Also, theres the Scythian slaughter of the Cimmerians in the 7th century.

The Germans annihilated 80% of the Heteros in 1904. That tribe ceases to exist.

The mass killings within the soviet republics are not classified as genocides because the reasoning behind the Stalin era massacres and mass starvations were supposedly not motivated by a wish to destroy a racial or religious body, but rather a political body, this was intentionally left out of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide because the USSR refused to back it if policide was included in the description.

The US also failed to ratify the same convention until 1988 for fear that the US relations with Native Americans also would be condemned as genocide.

I don't think there have been many succesful genocides. Only real successful way to do one nowadays is through bioengineered bugs to specifically target a certain nationality with ID markers.

What about the Mayans, Aztecs, Olmacs and Incas? Weren't they massively slaughterd by the Spanish?

What about the Mayans, Aztecs, Olmacs and Incas? Weren't they massively slaughterd by the Spanish?
Descendents of the Mayan Indians still exist, but the Mexicans have been pretty oppressive toward them.

What about the Mayans, Aztecs, Olmacs and Incas? Weren't they massively slaughterd by the Spanish?
but not wiped out
their ansestors live on

Descendents of the Mayan Indians still exist, but the Mexicans have been pretty oppressive toward them.
And the Aztecs?

And the Aztecs?
The spanish decendants opressed all the various indian groups

And the Aztecs?
I don't know. Maybe they're hiding under those pyramids and working with the mole men on a plan to reemerge and take over the world.

The spanish decendants opressed all the various indian groups
Intially they did, however most spanish colonists interbred with the natives in Central and South America, along with slaves brought from Africa. Many Hispanics probably have some Aztec or Mayan blood in them. The upper-class in many of these countries however are still dominated by an entirely European ancestry. This is different from the English colonies who mainly just drove them westward, and rarely interbred.

What about the Mayans, Aztecs, Olmacs and Incas? Weren't they massively slaughterd by the Spanish?
The Incans are all gone, to my knowledge. All 6 million of them.

Also, there's the genocide of Homo neandertalensis. Genocide in its purest form. The slaughter of another species.

Also, there's the genocide of Homo neandertalensis. Genocide in its purest form. The slaughter of another species.

Yes, but did we kill them, or just out-compete them?

Yes, but did we kill them, or just out-compete them?
Well, judging by the track record of Homo sapiens, it would have been purely intentional.

You can't prove that we wiped them out, given the incompletness of the fossil record, but it's a good theory.

It's possible we inter-bred with them anyway. Muscly chicks with low brows are hot.

It's possible we inter-bred with them anyway. Muscly chicks with low brows are hot.
No. It's not. The genetic difference was too great to allow successful interbreeding.

Don't forget Carthage. Maybe not all the people but the Empire itself was wiped off the map, They even salted the fields so they couldn't grow on the land again. The City of Carthage and the surrounding area was gone.

Intially they did, however most spanish colonists interbred with the natives in Central and South America, along with slaves brought from Africa. Many Hispanics probably have some Aztec or Mayan blood in them. The upper-class in many of these countries however are still dominated by an entirely European ancestry. This is different from the English colonies who mainly just drove them westward, and rarely interbred.
This was indeed the case in all spanish territories and their post-independence states, however some native groups were deliverately destroyed, such as the Argentine conquest of the Patagonia

Don't forget Carthage. Maybe not all the people but the Empire itself was wiped off the map, They even salted the fields so they couldn't grow on the land again. The City of Carthage and the surrounding area was gone.
But isent genocide more realted to ethnic classification than a political one? I knwo carthagenians and romans were different, but they were still quite simmilar

But isent genocide more realted to ethnic classification than a political one? I knwo carthagenians and romans were different, but they were still quite simmilar
They were similiar Politically also. Genocide I thought meant the wiping out of an entire group, a, racial group, religious group, Political group, or even a locational Group. (I think I made that last word up but you get the idea).

They were similiar Politically also. Genocide I thought meant the wiping out of an entire group, a, racial group, religious group, Political group, or even a locational Group. (I think I made that last word up but you get the idea).
yeah, and then the other statement makes sense

The British did a bang up job on the Aboriginal Tasmanians. They first took notice of them in 1803 waged the Black War on them and by by 1847 only 47 Aboriginal Tasmanians survived. By 1876 the last full blooded Aboriginal Tasmanian in Tasmania was dead.

Does anyone remember the Armenians?

Were the Turks ever held accountable for the genocide?

Successful? That's a terrible word to tie to genocide.

Successful? That's a terrible word to tie to genocide.

Not if you can show there never was one. *nod*

The Germans annihilated 80% of the Heteros in 1904. That tribe ceases to exist.
That tribe is called the Hereros, and not Heteros.

And while it is true that those people suffered horrendous casualties between 1904 (80,000 people) and 1911 (15,130 people) they are now about 120,000 Hereros.

"Die Bilanz des Vorgehens kaiserlicher Truppen war verheerend und ist bis heute in Namibia spürbar. Lebten vor dem Krieg 80.000 Hereros unter deutscher Herrschaft, so waren es 1911 noch 15.130. Weitere 3.000 Herero hatten in einer benachbarten britischen Kolonie Zuflucht gesucht. Die Hälfte von einst 20.000 Nama starb im gleichen Zeitraum. Das Land der Herero und Nama wurde beschlagnahmt und später an europäische Siedler verkauft. Auch nach dem Ende der deutschen Kolonialherrschaft 1915 erhielten die Herero und Nama ihr geraubtes Land nicht zurück. Heute leben wieder 122.000 Herero und 61.000 Nama in Namibia. Trotz ihrer beeindruckenden Bevölkerungszahl ist ihre soziale und wirtschaftliche Lage sehr schwierig."
http://www.gfbv.de/report.php?id=12&stayInsideTree=1

Tasmanians.

Were the Turks ever held accountable for the genocide?

No. Schoolbooks in Turkey don't even mention it.

I've wiped out several entire collonies of ants before with organophosphate chemical weapons.
*arrests you for Crimes against Antity*