NationStates Jolt Archive

Pretty simple premise-

In an attempt to show people that the great thinkers, activists, politicians, economists, revolutionaries etc of the world have all been human beings and so are subsequently flawed, and furthermore to illustrate that you don't blindly follow dogma, I think you should criticise at least one aspect of your heroes.

Here we go-

Marx was most likely a homophobe.

Lenin was wrong to attack Poland.

Trotsky did not fight hard enough against Stalin in the power struggle.

Pretty simple premise-

In an attempt to show people that the great thinkers, activists, politicians, economists, revolutionaries etc of the world have all been human beings and so are subsequently flawed, and furthermore to illustrate that you don't blindly follow dogma, I think you should criticise at least one aspect of your heroes.

Here we go-

Marx was most likely a homophobe.

Lenin was wrong to attack Poland.

Trotsky did not fight hard enough against Stalin in the power struggle.


Kennedy had several extramarrital affairs

So, likely, did Clinton.

Ghandi failed in his efforts for unification

Jefferson owned slaves.

Franklin was a lecherous old bastard.

Dr. Martin Luther King is rumored to have had extramarital affairs.
Many of our nation's founding fathers had slaves.
Rowdy Roddy Piper's movie career never really took off.

Patrick Pearse had no skill in military stratagy.

Robert Emmet had problems with contacting people and loved his wife/ girlfriend too much. (I'm not sure if they were married.)

Roy Keane is a little bit of a bastard.

Rowdy Roddy Piper's movie career never really took off.

How dare you.

How dare you.
I'm sorry, and it pains me to say it, but after They Live and Hell Comes to Frogtown his career just died.

Ron Howard is a ginger
Bruce Lee was defeated by death
Ghengis Khan was promiscuous
Ayn Rand was a homophobe and a sexist
Jack Kevorkian is a terrible artist

Mises was perhaps excessive in his attacks on Econometrics.

Ayn Rand was a little crazy.

Napoleon was short.

Nietzsche went insane.

Marx was most likely a homophobe.

Didn't he also write a book "A world without Jews"?

President Bush needs to straighten up on gun control and immigration.

Charleton Heston? Can't. He's perfect.

Ted nugent? Only thing I could say is that he HUNTS soo Much he makes me jealous!

President Bush needs to straighten up on gun control and immigration. and the economy, and his foreign policy, and separation of church and state, and take personal responsibility for his mistakes.

Charleton Heston? Can't. He's perfect. No, he's a creature of the wheel. (Omega Man)

Ted nugent? Only thing I could say is that he HUNTS soo Much he makes me jealous!I guess you don't care about the fact that he lied about using weed and cocaine.

. . . Charlton Heston? Can't. He's perfect. . . .

*cough* *choke*

How about "he will soon be dead"? That's a flaw.

Hunter S. Thompson used drugs and alcohol to excess.

Abbie Hoffman was a manic-depressive.

William S. Burroughs was an old poof. (Well, OK, bisexual.)

George W Bush is not very articulate.

Superman is a dick. (http://www.superdickery.com/)

André Gide was a pedophile.
Still, his literature is worthwile and he was awarded the 1948 Nobel prize for literature...

Chuck Norris is ... uh .... Chuck Norris ... hmm ....

Nevermind ...

Chuck Norris is a washed-out actor whose roundhouse kick is just that, a roundhouse kick

Drunk Commies Deleted occaisionally makes typos.

Didn't he also write a book "A world without Jews"?

Click this (http://www.marxmail.org/faq/antisemitism.htm)

DHomme is is probably an anti-Revisionist at heart.

Click this (http://www.marxmail.org/faq/antisemitism.htm)
Thanks.

DHomme is is probably an anti-Revisionist at heart.
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Maybe, I mean we all have a little AR in our hearts.

Maybe, I mean we all have a little AR in our hearts.

Neo Kervoskia isn't really a 2 foot tall cuddly yellow bear, as much as I like to imagine he is.

jimi Hendrix - was an angry drunk

mario - was italian

Eut - is old

Ronald Reagon was too perfect

me - i cant think of anything:D

Neo Kervoskia isn't really a 2 foot tall cuddly yellow bear, as much as I like to imagine he is.
I'm as cuddly as the Revolution wants me to be.

I'm as cuddly as the Revolution wants me to be.

If I was as self important enough as to think people actually cared about what my thought of the week was then it would be that.

If I was as self important enough as to think people actually cared about what my thought of the week was then it would be that.
See? Capitalist and Communist can read each other like manifestos.

Mother Theresa-She was against abortion, and being a devout Catholic, was probably against quite a few other things i support

The Dalai Lama-I can't really think of anything for him, but i'm sure there's something i don't like

FDR had extramarital affairs, drank and smoked excessively, and didn't do a whole heap about the Holocaust, though, in his defense, his hands were kind of tied. But the fact that he was in a wheelchair and still getting some was pretty impressive.

Link- He runs around in a dress.
Queen- A male band called Queen... what do you think? ANd the lead singer died of AIDS.. yea..

George W Bush is not very articulate.

I have to disagree with that one.

Whenever he talks favorably about charity, compassion, or good sense he is inarticulate. Whenever he talks about killing people or making people miserable he's so articulate as to seem almost quick-witted.

What he is is a terrible liar. Only thing is, he lies so much that all his usual "tells" are atributed to a lack of eloquence. It's like being a poker player who bluffs on all his hands. The good ones and the bad ones. How do you know when he's bluffing?

The Dalai Lama-I can't really think of anything for him, but i'm sure there's something i don't like
He kills puppies and drinks their blood with glee.

George W. Bush is too naive about his opponents.

Joe Lieberman is pro-choice and pro-censorship.

Ronald Reagan is dead.

lol...yes, that would be something to dislike

The Dalai Lama-I can't really think of anything for him, but i'm sure there's something i don't like
He said that what happened to New Orleans was because of something its residents did in past lives…

Ronald Reagon was too perfect


He was a senile old bat. : D

Max Barry- Went to Bedford and all I got was this lousy blog

Okay, there ya go. Though i do have some Buddhist leanings, i don't ever like the implication that people deserve what bad things happen to them, at least not in situations like hurricanes and stuff.

See? Capitalist and Communist can read each other like manifestos.

The problem with left wingers is they do not read enough right wing literature.
The problem with right wingers is they do not read enough.

Hitler... He was too kind to Germans...

Napoleon was short.

At five-foot seven, Napoleon was average height for a Corsican man of the times. ;)

Richard Feynman was a womanizer.

He was too kind to Italians as well...:mad:
Damn him, where that useless piece of shit? Hitler! Come here... Ever been disembowelled?

The Dalai Lama-I can't really think of anything for him, but i'm sure there's something i don't like

Don't be taken in by the western press of His Holiness. HH is actually quite consevative and old school - he's pretty close to the catholic pope on several matters, praticularly sexual. Homosexuality, oral sex, anal sex, and "recreational" sex are all no-nos. (Consider that my first criticism of a hero - seeing as I'm a Buddhist.)

Christ thought he was a god. (I'm so expecting to get flamed for that one...)

Theodore Roosevelt was overly moralist and jingoistic. He was also a bit of a bully.

Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

Abraham Lincoln was a terrible racist. He also did terrible things to preserve the union.

Nixon was excessively paranoid.

Booker T. Washington probably emphasised economic equality too much over social equality.

Winston Churchill was responsible for the disaster of Gallipoli.

Machiavelli was not the military writer he thought he was when he wrote The Art of War.

My father is sometimes a bragart.

My Gran'pa was an awful racist.

Christ thought he was a god.

I wish...

Richard Feynman was a womanizer.

Thank goodness sombody brought up a scientist! I was just thinking why no-one else had.

To add some more:
Stephen Hawking may have contributed to his divorce through violence....
Darwin was overly religious and probably a racist.

Sartre was really short and almost blind.

Einstein refused to accept quantum mechanics.

Newton enjoyed having people executed for counterfeit.

My grandpa on my mom's side voted for Bush because "he's a good christian"

My grandma on my dad's side kept my grandpa from continuing his education, she also didn't finish highschool and pretends to be an intellectual.

My dad is overly religious.

My mom is lazy.

ghandi was anti-semitic

proudhon was severely mixed up on the subject of property

bakunin was friends with and condoned the actions of a nutcase who liked killing people and blowing things up. can't remember the dudes name just now.

malatesta did some bad stuff too, i'm sure. and orwell but i just don't know of it.

my dad exagerates too much and is also prone to generalisation when talking about people he doesn't like.

my mum is emotionally unstable and paranoid and would probably vote tory if she lived in the uk.

my sister is too uncritical of what my dad tells her and hypercritical of what my mum tells her.

My international trade professor, although having a distinguished diplomatic history, refuses to believe in climate change.

Rodney McKay likes cats.

Sheila Fraser is not running for the leadership of the Liberal Party (I am not saying I like the Libs, just that I think Sheila could totally thrash Michael Ignatieff and probably get the party back into power if she wanted to).

- Mishima Yukio was more or less a fanatic, a coup-plotter, and in fierce denial about his sexuality.
- Stanley Kubrick had a tendency to put the screws to people he worked with in a rather nasty sort of way.
- Pablo Neruda was something of a womaniser (unless I'm mistaken).
- Benjamin Franklin was a racist.
- Eisenhower used the bomb.
- Adlai Stevenson lost.

- Eisenhower used the bomb.

:eek: Say what? Surely you mean the Kansas City haberdasher and not Ike.

Ike may have threatened to use the Bomb but Harry was the guy who actually did it.

Refused Party Program refers to himself in the third person and isn't entirely convinced of his own existence. Plus, he's a crazy bastard.

The 1960's Batman is the hero, the modern one is just an april fool joker.

Supeman has a small brain.:rolleyes: :p

malatesta did some bad stuff too, i'm sure. and orwell but i just don't know of it.

orwell's list of possible stalinist agents or fellow travellers that he handed off to british intelligence wasn't entirely accurate on all counts

and malatesta wore a silly hat sometimes

Rusty wallace won about 3 races in his entire 20 year career.
Bush can't say big words.
Adam Sandler is really stupid.
Lincoln was a prankster.
Kennedy didn't look good in green.
Neil Armstrong is old.
My dad is a dick.

Albert Einstein never wore socks.

Heinrich Schliemann was...overzealous.

Monty Python was english.

richard dawkins keeps me from working

Napoleon went to war agaist countries on little provocaion, he fostered two illegiteimate children while still married, he plundered cities needlessly while in Italy, he didn't retreat from Russia when he should have, waiting two weeks in Moskow, and losing over half-a-million men in the process, and I think I heard somewhere he shot the nose off the Sphinx.

Machiavelli was not the military writer he thought he was when he wrote The Art of War.


My Gran'pa was an awful racist.
You're a Machiavelli fan too? Pleased to meet you!

He was a senile old bat. : D
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