NationStates Jolt Archive

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?

For number four, I think that if Bush had a spine, he would be a conservative.

If I hear anyone say Reagan for number 1...well I dont know what I will do...but I will cry thats for sure.

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?
1. That's a no brainer. Ronald Reagan
2. Hard to say. Probably Bill OReilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Pat Robertson. Once again, not sure.
3. see above.
4. In some ways yes. He's against abortion, gay marriage, and pro intelligent design. But he's been very irresponsible fiscally.

Of cource number 1 is Reagan!

He was an actor; Now we have the Governator (Arnold Schwartzicantspellit)

He claimed not to be a crook, and so does George Bush!

Must I go on?

1 Ike

2. If you asked 3 years ago Id say Rush Limbaugh had taken the terms liberal and conservative and redefined them to match his own way of thinking via his dittoheads. this was even more true during the Clinton years as he had a "cause" to rally against. Now that he's an admitted and more or less convicted drug addict I think he has somewhat fallen from grace with his troops. There is a bit of a vacuum to fill in pop conservative culture

3. huh?

4. He certainly has more conservative than liberal traits so, sure, why not, he's a conservative.


If you ask me though the main difference between liberals and conservatives is that the liberals want to control everything I have or say while the conservatives want to control everything I think or do.

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?

1. William f. buckley jr.
2. Arlen Specter
4. No

For #1, you can name more than one person.

Of cource number 1 is Reagan!

He was an actor; Now we have the Governator (Arnold Schwartzicantspellit)

He claimed not to be a crook, and so does George Bush!

Must I go on?

No reason to go on following that path.

I think that you will find it was Richard Nixon who looked straight into the camera and said "I am not a crook"

George Bush looked straight into the camera and said "Read my lips...No new taxes"

And William Jefferson Clinton looked straight into the camera and said "I did not have sexual relations with that girl"

I think youve confused these somehow.

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

Ronald Reagan.

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

Michael Savage

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement. Anti-abortion, attack the middle-east, stop illegal immigrants, anti-gay marrige, and less, if no welfare.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?

NO!

Why the fuck should we do your homework?

lazy asshole.

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?

Ronald Reagan, hands down. I loved the guy.

Probably Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, george Bush, etc.

3. Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Myself,

4. No, not by a longshot. Although I do like his foreign policy, his crap on spending on welfare and the border situation make me angry.

Shit, you don't have to be a conservative to answer this shit

1. Ronald Reagan - the entire current "conservative" movement bases itself entirely around Reagan doctrine. Hell, they will refer back to him like the Bible if anything bad happens.

2. Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly, if people arn't citing one of these two crackpots, they are probably citing some one who stole their material from them.

3. All of them. People refer back to conservative pundits like they were the prophets themselves - prophets of the great Messiah, Ronald Reagan.

4. George W. Bush is a capitalist pigdog.

1) Barry Goldwater
2) Too many to name but, the "Christian Right" is coopting the "True" conservatives in to the Talibanisation of America. The are an evil influence on politics.
3) George Will, PJ O'Rourke, Ben Stein, H L Mencken, William F Buckley.


4)HELL NO aside from his tax cuts he is in the pocket of the Xtian Right.

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?

Why the fuck should we do your homework?

lazy asshole.


You have a point there

2. Arlen Specter

He's not a conservative Gabler.

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?

1. Ronald Reagan, no question about it.
2. I'm not sure anyone does at least not one who stands out.
3. Senator Tom Coburn, Senator Jim Inhofe, Sean Hanity, not sure about any others.
4. He is not a true Conservative as he is very near the center.

...I can already feel the flames...:eek:

If I hear anyone say Reagan for number 1...well I dont know what I will do...but I will cry thats for sure.

Here. ...hands him a box of tissues...:p

(looks at the headline)

You mean there's only one left?

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?

1. Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan

2. Depends on the faction, as the conservative movement is cracking up right now. Neo-Cons: Charles Krauthammer and John J. Mearsheimer. Paleo-Cons: Jack Snyder and Patrick Buchanan. Supply-Siders: William F. Buckley and Charles Laffer. Christian Conservatives: Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell (unfortunately).

3. As I mentioned above, it depends on which part of the splintering conservative coalition you are talking about. Neo-Con: Charles Krauthammer. Paleo-Cons: Patrick Buchanan. Supply-Siders: William F. Buckley, George Will. Christian-Cons: Pat Robertson.

4. Not sure. George Bush's philosophy, if you could call it that, might best be characterized as a schizophrenic mix of supply-side, Christian-Con, and Neo-Con policy. Economically, he's never met a tax cut he didn't like, socially he's never found a giveaway to the Christian right he didn't like, and on foreign policy he's an unreconstructed Neo-Con. The only group that has no place in his administration is the Paleo-Cons.

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?
I'm neither American nor conservative butI've read The Right Nation so I'll have a go!

1. Barry Goldwater
2. Pat Robertson, Grover Norquist, Charlton Heston, Denis Hastert.
3. Rush Limbo, Bill O'Reilly, ?
4. No.

Ronald Reagan.


Michael Savage
Anti-abortion, attack the middle-east, stop illegal immigrants, anti-gay marrige, and less, if no welfare.



NO!
I think you need to look up the word "pundits." A pundit is not an ideal, a pundit is a person.

1. Ronald Reagan, no question about it.
2. I'm not sure anyone does at least not one who stands out.
3. Senator Tom Coburn, Senator Jim Inhofe, Sean Hanity, not sure about any others.
4. He is not a true Conservative as he is very near the center.

...I can already feel the flames...:eek:
Do you want to borrow my lighter? Or are those matches working well enough?

He's not a conservative Gabler.

He very much is.

He very much is.

Actually no he is not. I should know since I live in the state that he's a senator for.

Actually no he is not. I should know since I live in the state that he's a senator for.


He may be more liberal than you, but that doesn't make him a moderate or a liberal.

You're so conservative, the wheel is a dangerously progressive idea for you.

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. Ronald Reagan

2. George W. Bush

3. George W, Condaliza Rice, Rudy Julliani, John McKain, Carl Rove

4. Yes, EXTREMELY... too much actually

He may be more liberal than you, but that doesn't make him a moderate or a liberal.

You're so conservative, the wheel is a dangerously progressive idea for you.

Actually, if you look at his political compass score, hes not that Conservative.

If your looking for someone farther to the Right, you may want to turn your attention my way. :)

He may be more liberal than you, but that doesn't make him a moderate or a liberal.

You're so conservative, the wheel is a dangerously progressive idea for you.

Actualy.. most of the people I know (who are not conservative) knows he's not a conservative. That includes a couple of my poli sci professors who are not conservative.

If I hear anyone say Reagan for number 1...well I dont know what I will do...but I will cry thats for sure.

Why? Hes arguably the best modern American President.

Why? Hes arguably the best modern American President.


Yes, because the phrase "I do not recall" is a great battlecry for excellence.

Ronald Reagan.


Michael Savage
Anti-abortion, attack the middle-east, stop illegal immigrants, anti-gay marrige, and less, if no welfare.



NO!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pundit_(Politics)

Yes, because the phrase "I do not recall" is a great battlecry for excellence.

hehe. Gotta admit, its a great excuse :D

I'm neither American nor conservative butI've read The Right Nation so I'll have a go!

1. Barry Goldwater
2. Pat Robertson, Grover Norquist, Charlton Heston, Denis Hastert.
3. Rush Limbo, Bill O'Reilly, ?
4. No.
"Wait.. WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU DOING IF YOU ARE NOT FROM AMERICA????
SHUTUP"
-Grovez using Thailorr as a conduit.

Yes, because the phrase "I do not recall" is a great battlecry for excellence.

OK, and we can pick out flaws with any President, no, bump that, any person...so whats the point?

1. Reagan.
2. Michael Savage! (I like him because he's crazy)
3. (Other people have already listed these)
4. There are two kinds of conservatives: those who carry pocketbooks, and those who carry bibles. Bush is only one of these.

1. Reagan.
2. Michael Savage! (I like him because he's crazy)
3. (Other people have already listed these)
4. There are two kinds of conservatives: those who carry pocketbooks, and those who carry bibles. Bush is only one of these.

Hes actually both.

OK, and we can pick out flaws with any President, no, bump that, any person...so whats the point?

Yes, because knowing what the hell is going on is too high of a standard to hold someone to.

I got 4 questions for American Conservatives here on the forums.

1. In the last 50 years, who do you think was the most influential person in the Conservative movement?

2. Who do you think has influence on the Conservative movement today?

3. Least at least five Conservative Pundits that you think speaks for the Conservative movement.

4. Do you consider George W. Bush Conservative?
1. Ronald Reagan
2. James Dobson
3. James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh
4. He's an independent conservative.

Hes actually both.
Is that a joke?

Why? Hes arguably the best modern American President.
Reagan was one of America's worst presidents. Sure, he played a small part in ending the Soviet Union, but he supported Central American terrorists and Islamists.

Is that a joke?

Of course not. Bush is wealthy and is a Capitalist. Hes also religious and is a Christian Neo Conservative.

Yes, because knowing what the hell is going on is too high of a standard to hold someone to.

Oh come on....Reagan didnt know what was going on? The guy introduced Reaganomics, bombed terrorists, fought and defeated Communism, and thought up cool concepts like star wars.

All while being reelected twice....by HUGE majorities....In 1980 he lost only Hawaii, Wisconsin, Georgia, West Virginia, Maryland and D.C.
In 1984 he lost ONLY D.C. and Wisconsin!:eek:

That obviously shows approval.

1) I'd have to go with everyone else and say Ronald Reagan
2) Good question. There is no defined conseravtive movement anymore. I like how someone else voiced it: neo-con and paleo-con. I don't like the phrase "Christian conservative" as I am a Christain (A fundamental one at that) but would probably be considered a "paleo-con." But besides that, define "neocon" and "paleocon." I don't mean as in "New Conservative" and "old Conservative" either. Define as in give an overview of their stances. I've heard many a point of view for it.
3) See Number Two
4) I suppose yes, although he's not a very good one. I suppose he's a "Neo-Con."

Oh, and if you care, On the political compass, I'm (8.13, -2.00)

Reagan was one of America's worst presidents. Sure, he played a small part in ending the Soviet Union, but he supported Central American terrorists and Islamists.

No. He was one of our best Presidents...see http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/ this website for his election results....1980 and 1984.

He played a HUGE part in ending the Soviet Union, he was also trying to fight Communists in Central America....because he didnt want Communist puppet governments in our area. Islamists...what the hell does Islamists mean?

Reagan was one of America's worst presidents. Sure, he played a small part in ending the Soviet Union, but he supported Central American terrorists and Islamists.
You probably weren't even alive when he was President. You never lived under the threat of nuclear war. Instead you take stuff from another time frame entirely out of context.

No. He was one of our best Presidents...see http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/ this website for his election results....1980 and 1984.

He played a HUGE part in ending the Soviet Union, he was also trying to fight Communists in Central America....because he didnt want Communist puppet governments in our area. Islamists...what the hell does Islamists mean?
He's referring to the US helping the Afghan Freedom Fighters kick the communists out of Afghanistan.

Basically: the US is evil because it opposes communism.

He's referring to the US helping the Afghan Freedom Fighters kick the communists out of Afghanistan.

Basically: the US is evil because it opposes communism.

Yeah...we helped the terrorists (evil) fight off the greater evil (Soviet Union)....

Yeah...we helped the terrorists (evil) fight off the greater evil (Soviet Union)....
If the enemy is evil, we must be good.

You probably weren't even alive when he was President. You never lived under the threat of nuclear war. Instead you take stuff from another time frame entirely out of context.

I was alive during his presidency.

I lived under the threat of nuclear war.

Frighteningly, the guy who could start the nuclear war had alzheimers while still on office.

And he did not play a HUGE role in the collapse of the USSR; a small role indeed, but not a HUGE one.

I was alive during his presidency.

I lived under the threat of nuclear war.

Frighteningly, the guy who could start the nuclear war had alzheimers while still on office.

And he did not play a HUGE role in the collapse of the USSR; a small role indeed, but not a HUGE one.

Yes but your a lefty so ofcourse your going to say that. :p

If the enemy is evil, we must be good.

Cant tell where your going with this...but if you claiming that the Soviet Union was not evil and we were not good, well, then, uh...your strange.

No. He was one of our best Presidents...see http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/ this website for his election results....1980 and 1984.
I don't dispute that he was one of your most popular presidents.

He played a HUGE part in ending the Soviet Union
At most he sped its demise by a few years. That system was going down anyway.

he was also trying to fight Communists in Central America....because he didnt want Communist puppet governments in our area.
Then why didn't he tell his henchmen to go after the communist militants instead of telling them to "go after the soft targets" (civilians)?

There were many Irish Catholic missionaries in Central America at the time and all of them reported the rape, mass murder and terrorism perpetrated by the US-supported militia groups.

Islamists...what the hell does Islamists mean?
Not been paying attention to the media lately? I'm talking about the Afghan Muslim militias, and I'm talking about the Iranians and the Iraqis. He supported both sides. Such a slimy bastard.

Cant tell where your going with this...but if you claiming that the Soviet Union was not evil and we were not good, well, then, uh...your strange.
Neither side was good. Why was America good? Because it was capitalist? Because it was relatively Christian? Because it was richer? Bullshit, man!

Of course not. Bush is wealthy and is a Capitalist. Hes also religious and is a Christian Neo Conservative.
Bush will never be a REAL conservative. What has he done that shows his belief in what Reaganists believe? Nothing! He's blown up the deficit, funneled money into energy research, and started the No Child Left Behind program, which is a colossal failure, I might add. Bush stole the votes from paleo-conservatives and used the power to inflict his stupid Christian policies on America. Spending is out of control, and yet tax breaks are being handed out left and right. The republican party seems to have lost its way.

The fact that you call Bush a fiscal conservative is laughable.

Cant tell where your going with this...but if you claiming that the Soviet Union was not evil and we were not good, well, then, uh...your strange.
It's a common fallacy. I'm pointing out that while the Soviet Union and other communist regimes were evil, it is a mistake to assume that we, the opposition, were not simply because we were fighting them. The Truman Doctrine led the US to support many regimes or factions that were often more corrupt and evil than their socialist opponents.

It's a common fallacy. I'm pointing out that while the Soviet Union and other communist regimes were evil, it is a mistake to assume that we, the opposition, were not simply because we were fighting them. The Truman Doctrine led the US to support many regimes or factions that were often more corrupt and evil than their socialist opponents.

A shame, considering that communism was doomed to shoot itself in the foot anyways.

But hindsight is always 20/20.