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they got there and put their flag up so seeing how this worked on earth does the flag mean they own it?

they got there and put their flag up so seeing how this worked on earth does the flag mean they own it?
No. No nation can own the Moon, as far as I know.

EDIT: Yup (http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/outerspt.html):
outer space is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means;

I bought the moon on ebay for 35 cents plus shipping and handling. It's mine!

No. No nation can own the Moon, as far as I know.

I don't know about that. After all, if Chile can claim to own half of Antartica, anything's possible.

I bought the moon on ebay for 35 cents plus shipping and handling. It's mine!

Bullshit, I brought it for $1, the moon is mine!

Why not Buy it yourself? (http://www.lunarregistry.com/)

"Through our alliance with the Lunar Republic Society and the Kennedy II Project, we are on a fast track to return to the Moon by the end of this decade."


Should someone let them know that the end of the decade is in less than four years, so they might want to pick up the pace?

"Through our alliance with the Lunar Republic Society and the Kennedy II Project, we are on a fast track to return to the Moon by the end of this decade."


Should someone let them know that the end of the decade is in less than four years, so they might want to pick up the pace?

Take everything Bush says with a grain of salt.

I don't know about that. After all, if Chile can claim to own half of Antartica, anything's possible.
1. Source? Context?
2. Chile are signatories to The Antarctic Treaty, so they don't "own half of Antarctica" anyway.

there is a thing you can go to to buy land on the moon, i think there starting one for Mars too.....its called the lunar embassy? or somthin.....

hey what better of a place to start imperialism again...hmmm maybe some new wars!!!!:mp5:

The UN Outer Space Treaty of 1966 has already been quoted. This prevents any state from staking a claim to the Moon, or any other 'celestial body'. The planting of the US flag served no other purpose than to say "we were here". (It's a shame they didn't plant something a bit bigger, actually, so that we could point these conspiracy nutcases to it and say "get round that". They just will not believe the thing about the laser mirror because they can't see it, so therefore it's not there.)

I imagine if we ever get off our backsides and actually DO some space exploration, things'll change - corporations aren't going to stand for some political body telling them they can't take possession of something, and who can stand in the way of big business? Certainly not mere governments.

Even so, someone asked about the 'Lunar Embassy'. There is the 'Lunar Republic Society' - that's run by a nutcase - and various 'Lunar property registries', which are essentially snake oil merchants. Like those companies that reckon to rename stars for you in honour of loved ones - it's always a con. They can't sell what they don't own, and (until Google get there, at least) nobody owns the Moon.

No. No nation can own the Moon, as far as I know.

EDIT: Yup (http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/outerspt.html):
If, however, someone manages to give the moon an atmosphere, it becomes occupiable territory.

I think the Lunar Embassy states they own the moon because they've declared ownership of the moon and nobody objected to that claim under US law. But for that to be true, wouldn't the moon have to be not only US territory but also be under the judgement of the place where the claim was made? And since the USA agreed to the moon not belonging to any state, laws for US territory don't apply...

Tsk.

Everyone knows the moon landings were faked by Illuminati-sponsored Cuban dissidents after the job was contacted out to them by the military-industrial complex in between assassinating Kennedy and planning 9-11.

Sevenglasses']I think the Lunar Embassy states they own the moon because they've declared ownership of the moon and nobody objected to that claim under US law. But for that to be true, wouldn't the moon have to be not only US territory but also be under the judgement of the place where the claim was made? And since the USA agreed to the moon not belonging to any state, laws for US territory don't apply...

It's all part of the sleight of hand show. You know, a bit to make them look legit and they hide the rest under the carpet hoping you won't catch them on it.

As for the people who fall for it, I think they'd probably be the same kind who'd fall for Nigerian scams.

No. No nation can own the Moon, as far as I know.

EDIT: Yup (http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/outerspt.html):

That won't last forever. Once nations have the means to occupy territory outside of Earth, they will. Banning that now is like if they had banned the appropriation of oil when noone knew how to extract it.

Does the U.S. own the moon cause they got there first?

NO

I bought the moon on ebay for 35 cents plus shipping and handling. It's mine!

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they got there and put their flag up so seeing how this worked on earth does the flag mean they own it?

Nah. The US rather specifically renounced that claim ab ovo.

Probably not unrelated to the real possibility of the Sov's claiming it too, as they had put a flag there ( + a load of medaillons ) with an unmanned craft prior to Apollo 11.

I don't know about that. After all, if Chile can claim to own half of Antartica, anything's possible.
Besides Chile, who recognises that claim? Many nations claim parts of Antartica, and many claims overlap, but very few of them are serious about it.

Yes. Anyone that disagrees is a terrorist.

Yes. Anyone that disagrees is a terrorist.


Including each and every POTUS since 1960 or summat?

*confuddled and befused*

Including each and every POTUS since 1960 or summat?

*confuddled and befused*

Why do you hate America?

Why do you hate America?

Because they are EBIL - and even worse, cruel to kittens.

Because they are EBIL - and even worse, cruel to kittens.

Ah, good. For a moment there I was worried you were taking me seriously. :p

Ah, good. For a moment there I was worried you were taking me seriously. :p

*insert high-five here*

:fluffle:

The United States, your attention please. If you are not a direct decendant of the people who crossed the Bering Straits into America 12,000 years ago will you please leave the continent now. You see, we were here first so it belongs to us.

And will you white buggers get out of Australia while your at it?

Anglo Saxons have 48 hours to leave the UK. It now belongs to the Celts.

The United States, your attention please. If you are not a direct decendant of the people who crossed the Bering Straits into America 12,000 years ago will you please leave the continent now. You see, we were here first so it belongs to us.

And will you white buggers get out of Australia while your at it?

Anglo Saxons have 48 hours to leave the UK. It now belongs to the Celts.

Celts go home!! This is a Pictish country!

By the way, the moon is larger than Texas.

The United States, your attention please. If you are not a direct decendant of the people who crossed the Bering Straits into America 12,000 years ago will you please leave the continent now. You see, we were here first so it belongs to us.

And will you white buggers get out of Australia while your at it?

Anglo Saxons have 48 hours to leave the UK. It now belongs to the Celts.


Problem: there ain't no such animal as a celtic race. And there never was.

they got there and put their flag up so seeing how this worked on earth does the flag mean they own it?


Yes.

We own the moon.

Celts go home!! This is a Pictish country!

By the way, the moon is larger than Texas.
Or we could go all the way and give the whole world back to the dinosaurs!

Or we could go all the way and give the whole world back to the dinosaurs!

Dinosaurs out! This is a prokaryote planet!!

SNIP

(How did such a flippant post as this ever get put on a "Does the U.S. own the moon [be]cause they got there first?" thread? I've no idea.

Blame me, but please don't harm the kittens!

Problem: there ain't no such animal as a celtic race. And there never was.
shhh... that's what they want you to think. all those dissappearances.. you think that was the US government? oh no, that was done by the Celtic assination squad. they bury all evidence that they exsisted and kill those tha

shhh... that's what they want you to think. all those dissappearances.. you think that was the US government? oh no, that was done by the Celtic assination squad. they bury all evidence that they exsisted and kill those tha

*shrug*
I think it was the bloody Romans! I hate them already - and the Judean People's Front!

Romani ite domum, romani ite domum!

Besides Chile, who recognises that claim? Many nations claim parts of Antartica, and many claims overlap, but very few of them are serious about it.


i dunno. what i find highly amuseing is that the USA refuses to acknowledge that ANYONE has a claime there. which is amuseing.

NZ claimes something like 1/4 of Antarctica as "would be ours if we hadn't signed a treaty saying nothing belongs to anyone untill this treaty expires" ... on a map showing all clams, it's the biggest wtih the least over lap of any clame in antarctica... that would jack up NZ's size something significant if it were actual acknowleged territory :D

i belive it was the biggest clame on the map that i Saw.. but it got a little confuseing because only boundrys were marked.. the territory wasn't colour coded or anything. it was definatly the biggest uncontested one, besides the US refuseing to acknowledge it's existance :D

really, in a few years it is going to be a very important strategic location, i suppose then there will be a war for it. a star war. some star wars.
new zealand was days away from becoming part of the french empire when the british decided they wanted it, ending the french claim. who will end who's claim on the moon. perhaps the chinese will be militarily too powerful by the time it happens for it to matter and it will be a communist moon for everyone. haha.

really, in a few years it is going to be a very important strategic location, i suppose then there will be a war for it. a star war. some star wars.
new zealand was days away from becoming part of the french empire when the british decided they wanted it, ending the french claim. who will end who's claim on the moon. perhaps the chinese will be militarily too powerful by the time it happens for it to matter and it will be a communist moon for everyone. haha.

I belive akaroa was actually a french town? they have french flags everywhere and stuff.

but yeah, it was a very near thing. heh. and the next time some twit starts moaning on about the treaty of waitangi in the context of something that's really got nothing to do with Actual violations, i'm going to point that out to them :D

"oh, so you don't like how the government treats you huh? you think the british were bad back then? how about we go back in time so the french get NZ, think you'd like that better? no? didn't think so."

..... and i'll stop befor i go further off track.. my opinion on the subject isn't all that bad, but it's also less amuseing

theres no need to go down such roads, i was talking about the moon not the treaty. it is and was called a treaty for a reason. violations are called that for a reason. lets just leave it at that.
as i said a star war who gives a shit about what happened between all those dead people way back then anyway.
the chinese own the moon. its going to happen. mark my words.

Problem: there ain't no such animal as a celtic race. And there never was.

Huh? Who said anything about race? I said the U.K. belongs to the Celts, not to a race. Although I think the Isle of Mann should belong to the 400 metres freestyle.

Celts go home!! This is a Pictish country!

Screw the johhny-come-lately Picts: Tir-Nan-Og belongs to the Beaker People.

Anyhoo, if the USA were to own the moon on the basis of having got there first, then the USSR would have owned outer space on the same basis.

Screw the johhny-come-lately Picts: Tir-Nan-Og belongs to the Beaker People.

Yes, I'm afraid the Bodies Without Organs is right. The U.K. does belong to the Beaker people. And their good friend Doctor Honeydew.

Welcome to antartica, home of the ice cube exporters!

Seriously though, why would anyone want antartica? Like there's anything there? For pete's sake, not even the penguins like it.

As for the moon... It's already owned by Dr. Evil, you should know that. That's where his "laser" is. Though now that he's pussified his son gets dibs on it.

Seriously though, why would anyone want antartica? Like there's anything there?

Let us not forget the alien starships trapped under the ice. It should be noted, however, that every time they have been thawed out they have proved to be mixed blessings.

Yes.

We own the moon.

If I lasered that flag until it was dust, then fired the flag-dust into the sun, and planted my own flag there, would it be mine?

If so - hurrah!

As owner of the sun, I charge every human on earth royalties for the right to use it.

Thus speaketh the sun-god, Hispanionla.

Everybody knows that the moon is owned by reptillian saucer people. They have a collony inside the moon accessible only from the dark side.

If I lasered that flag until it was dust, then fired the flag-dust into the sun, and planted my own flag there, would it be mine?

If so - hurrah!

You have to actually land there, remove our flag, and plant your own.

But I warn you good Sir, in space no one can hear you Hurrah!

Let us not forget the alien starships trapped under the ice. It should be noted, however, that every time they have been thawed out they have proved to be mixed blessings.

Another arguement for preventing global warming. If Antartica warms up John Carpenter's Thing will thaw out and believe me, it's a monster.

On topic, of course the US owns the moon, they have people living on it in little colonies. However they are not telling the public about it because they are worried other countries will be outraged because of the blatent disregard for the 'lunar treaty'. Not even the president knows about it only an 'inner core' of scientists and itellectuals.

Remember, you heard it here first.

On topic, of course the US owns the moon, they have people living on it in little colonies. However they are not telling the public about it because they are worried other countries will be outraged because of the blatent disregard for the 'lunar treaty'. Not even the president knows about it only an 'inner core' of scientists and itellectuals.

I wondered why the market was being flooded by all this green cheese with Made in the U.S.A. stamped on it.

On topic, of course the US owns the moon, they have people living on it in little colonies. However they are not telling the public about it because they are worried other countries will be outraged because of the blatent disregard for the 'lunar treaty'. Not even the president knows about it only an 'inner core' of scientists and itellectuals.

Remember, you heard it here first.
They're Reptillian Saucer People collonies, not earth people collonies. Just because the USA has an alliance with the RSP against the Greys doesn't mean that the RSP collonies are US property.

just imagine if there was oil on the moon. Then we ran out on earth and we had survived that long.....there would soon be wars to get to it first.

Yes, I'm afraid the Bodies Without Organs is right. The U.K. does belong to the Beaker people. And their good friend Doctor Honeydew.

Cro Magnons out! This is Neanderthal land!

As owner of the sun, I charge every human on earth royalties for the right to use it.

Thus speaketh the sun-god, Hispanionla.

Switch her off. I ain't gonna pay.

It's going to be so great when that first LSAM lands on the surface.

Another arguement for preventing global warming. If Antartica warms up John Carpenter's Thing will thaw out and believe me, it's a monster.

I'm more worried about the supposed location of R'lyeh accidentally being moved a couple of thousand kilometers north due to a typographical error, and instead we get a nasty surprise when the icecap breaks up.

Another arguement for preventing global warming. If Antartica warms up John Carpenter's Thing will thaw out and believe me, it's a monster.In that case, we need to hurry to find the secondary Stargate and associated Ancient technologies!

they got there and put their flag up so seeing how this worked on earth does the flag mean they own it?

Land a few marines on the moon and it will be ours.

The moon is full of minerals to mine. Imagine the boost to the US economy.

No. No nation can own the Moon, as far as I know.

EDIT: Yup (http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/outerspt.html):

pffft

what do earth laws have to do with the moon. i will conquer the earth someday with my moon army.

(seriously though international laws and the like are just plain retarded. if a country has enough power they are going to do what they wish to do)

Land a few marines on the moon and it will be ours.

The moon is full of minerals to mine. Imagine the boost to the US economy.[/QUOTE]

Imagine the cost of shipping the minerals back. Imagine the cost of shipping the people and equipment it would take to get a functioning mine. Imagine the cost of shipping the needed materials to make a functional moon base. Imagine the costs of paying the miners unless you're using slave labour.

Imagine the drain on the US economy.

Unless there's a much cheaper means of getting to space, it's not worth it.

theres no need to go down such roads, i was talking about the moon not the treaty. it is and was called a treaty for a reason. violations are called that for a reason. lets just leave it at that.
as i said a star war who gives a shit about what happened between all those dead people way back then anyway.
the chinese own the moon. its going to happen. mark my words.


thus why i stopped, and i agree with you. getting over it would be a very good thing.

humm.. as for china owning the moon? if Anyone currently existing manages it, you'd probibly be right. but i doubt it'll happen at all.

meanwhile: The Sea Belongs to the Plackton! macroscopics go home! :D

they got there and put their flag up so seeing how this worked on earth does the flag mean they own it?

Nah, see I went there a couple weeks ago and pulled their flag out from the moon, through it to the ground (took awhile cause of the whole gravity dealio) and then proceeded to kick some moon dirt on it. After all that I pulled out my own flag and planted it with unplantable spikes so no one else could pull it out. I also remember saying something to the effect of,"Ha, who owns the moon now bitch!"

I did the same when the Americans tried planting their flag on Canada, cept it was Canada dirt I kicked on it, not moon dirt. Moon dirt is hard to come by in Canada so I had to go with the Canada dirt which seemed to be in all around me at the time....may have been a little French dirt to cause there were some French flags planted as well. But I worked it out with them....I think; they were speaking French at the time.

The moon is full of minerals to mine. Imagine the boost to the US economy.

Imagine the cost of shipping the minerals back. Imagine the cost of shipping the people and equipment it would take to get a functioning mine. Imagine the cost of shipping the needed materials to make a functional moon base. Imagine the costs of paying the miners unless you're using slave labour.

Imagine the drain on the US economy.

Unless there's a much cheaper means of getting to space, it's not worth it.[/QUOTE]

If we want to do it, we will find an economical and profitable way to do it. Either shooting them in rockets from the moon into the ocean and picking them up or some other way, we'll figure it out.

Land a few marines on the moon and it will be ours.

MOON MARINE SERGEANT: Secure the perimeter!

MOON MARINE: Yes sir! Perimeter secured sir!

MOON MARINE SERGEANT: Good work.

MOON MARINE: Sir? What do we do now sir?

MOON MARINE SERGEANT: We hold this ground or die trying! No retreat! No surrender!

(Several days later)

MOON MARINE: Sir, I don't think anyone is coming and my spacesuit is full of crap.

MOON MARINE SERGEANT: Well, then we've won. Everyone back in the capsule, time to go home. Another 278 billion dollars well spent.

they got there and put their flag up so seeing how this worked on earth does the flag mean they own it?

No. The US does not [officially] own the Moon. Technically, no one is allowed to by international treaty. Practically speaking....it's complicated. At some point, probably not all that far away, commercial ventures are going to want title to resources or property on the Moon, and governments are going to put colonies there. Someone has to regulate the businesses, someone's laws have to be enforced, someone has to possess the property title to grant to potential buyers. How exactly we're going to resolve the issue of who that/those person(s) is/are probably won't really be known until it becomes an immediate issue and the UN Space Treaty is no longer pragmatically sufficient, in a decade or so.

The moon is full of minerals to mine. Imagine the boost to the US economy.

Actually it's not. Although the moon is composed entirely of minerals, they are not concentrated into deposits by the action of water like on earth. The only real reason for mining the moon is to get stuff to use in space itself so you don't have to lug it out of earth's gravity well and even then it might be cheaper and more convenient to mine asteroids.

Celts go home!! This is a Pictish country!

By the way, the moon is larger than Texas.
Dorstfeld, the Picts are Celts. All Celts were pushed out of Western and Eastern Europe then pushed onto present day Ireland, Scotland, and England. So by saying for Celts to leave means the Picts as well.:mp5: :sniper:

After we build colonies on the moon, the moment said colonies gain anything resembling self-sufficiency, they will form a "Lunar Republic", and as said Lunar Republic did not sign the Outer Space Treaty, they are not bound by it.

I believe that the US DOES lay claim to the Apollo landing sites - they are actually designated as national parks!

Meanwhile...

"Life forms get out! This is a rock planet!"

Beat THAT!

No, wait
"Matter, get out! This universe belongs to pure energy!"

Beat THAT!

Actually it's not. Although the moon is composed entirely of minerals, they are not concentrated into deposits by the action of water like on earth. The only real reason for mining the moon is to get stuff to use in space itself so you don't have to lug it out of earth's gravity well and even then it might be cheaper and more convenient to mine asteroids.

All true, but what you really want to mine on the moon, at least in the short run before we have access to the atmospheres of Jupiter and Saturn, is the [relatively] massive amount of helium-3 sitting eight inches below the surface all over the Moon. Ideal fusion fuel.

they got there and put their flag up so seeing how this worked on earth does the flag mean they own it?

i say yeppers....but i am an american and remember squatters rights back in the day.(well not me first person)
but my irish relatives went out west and staked a claim..but thats me.

but all the open border folk may disagree with me..till they come on my property...j/k

We'd better hope that laying claim to another celestial body isn't as simple as planting a flag... otherwise, the first time technologically superior aliens decide to plunk one down on Earth-- if they really want to be smart-asses about it-- they'll say "yeah well we've been reading your legal books. It's ours, now. Offer any resistance, and we'll sue anyone we don't vapourise."

Flee for your lives, the interstellar bar association is invading! Their Attorney-class dreadnought, the Judicator, is legally binding entire countries with its stare decisis ray! It's the end of our civilisation!

It's called protecting Earth's sovereignty through better legal precedents.