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All I can say is cry me a river. If I were the President I would tell Fox to stuff that lawsuit in some place unpleasant. The Guard from what I have heard will not actually make arrests. If they did it is of no place for a foreign government such as Mexico to tell us we can't. The nerve of these guys is unreal. I say stuff it Presidente Fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/16/mexico.immigration.ap/index.html

Oh no, es El Presidente!!

*Cue mariachi band*

Considering that we're the ones militarizing the border and putting up thousands of National Guard soldiers that need not be there, I think they have a good case if we were to use the National Guard to make direct detainments.

Considering that we're the ones militarizing the border and putting up thousands of National Guard soldiers that need not be there, I think they have a good case if we were to use the National Guard to make direct detainments.

Wouldn't matter if we did use troops to detain. The Mexicans use troops on the border with Guatemala. So where is the problem?

Don't the Mexicans have some troops on the border with the U.S. as well?

Don't the Mexicans have some troops on the border with the U.S. as well?
Ci, pero Mexico es bueno, ESA es Diablo!
DIABLO!

Ci, pero Mexico es bueno, ESA es Diablo!
DIABLO!

Oh no, es El Diablo!! Ah mi Dios!!

All I can say is cry me a river. If I were the President I would tell Fox to stuff that lawsuit in some place unpleasant. The Guard from what I have heard will not actually make arrests. If they did it is of no place for a foreign government such as Mexico to tell us we can't. The nerve of these guys is unreal. I say stuff it Presidente Fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/16/mexico.immigration.ap/index.html
The Guard won't arrest anyone? Are they just going to shoot them?

Dammit, its EUA. *grumbles*
Anyway...yeah, Mexico is just enjoying feeling big again, y'know, like they were two hundred years ago, when Spain was cool.

The Guard won't arrest anyone? Are they just going to shoot them?

I doubt it. But they might make them stand on buckets with bags over their heads and alligator clips on their testicles for long periods of time.

Dammit, its EUA. *grumbles*
Anyway...yeah, Mexico is just enjoying feeling big again, y'know, like they were two hundred years ago, when Spain was cool.

Why do I hear the voice of Cheech Marin when I read your posts?

LOL

Who cares. Mexico pissed and moaned over a few hundred guys in lawnchairs and binocs looking for fence jumpers.

All I can say is cry me a river. If I were the President I would tell Fox to stuff that lawsuit in some place unpleasant. The Guard from what I have heard will not actually make arrests. If they did it is of no place for a foreign government such as Mexico to tell us we can't. The nerve of these guys is unreal. I say stuff it Presidente Fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/16/mexico.immigration.ap/index.html

HAHAHA! Oh brother. We have full right to use whatever means necessary to defend our borders. He has no case. Oh brother. What a loser! *dies of laughter*

Apparently, hypocrisy is not a concern of the government of Mexico.

Maybe, once Vicente Fox stops allowing his troops and police to beat, kill, imprison, rob and rape migrants from nations south of Mexico he can talk about the rights and safety of immigrants. Otherwise, he might as well STFU because it's our nation and we have a right to defend out borders against people who are breaking our laws.

I am no fan of Bush’s militarization of the border, but I also frown on pointless, empty, hypocritical actions against the things I detest. They make me look bad by association.
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It'll never last. If border security starts getting too tight, those guardsmn will get pulled back and the border guard will get a funding cut. The powers that be don't want it easy for illegal imigrants to enter the country, but they don't want it impossible either.

I am no fan of Bush’s militarization of the border, but I also frown on pointless, empty, hypocritical actions against the things I detest. They make me look bad by association.
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/362/vicentefox4ly.jpg
Ah, the age of the MSpaint-modded pics. I do so miss them.
The mods really shouldnt have cracked down on them, NS had some real creativity going on for a while ;)

I read a newspaper article that Mexico detaines and deports to thier nation of origin, a certain number of illegal immigrants a year who enter Mexico illegally on thier way to the US illegally.

Interesting.

Apparently, hypocrisy is not a concern of the government of Mexico.

Maybe, once Vicente Fox stops allowing his troops and police to beat, kill, imprison, rob and rape migrants from nations south of Mexico he can talk about the rights and safety of immigrants. Otherwise, he might as well STFU because it's our nation and we have a right to defend out borders against people who are breaking our laws.

well he is to busy watching his army help ms-13 and the cartels build tunnels across our border,to smuggle drugs,women for prostitution,and sneak convicted murderers back home to avoid justice.
what a fat ass joke that hypocrite is...maybe he should make his country better so millions of his people dont risk their lives coming here for work?

your right...he should stfu!!!

we will pay his suit after he compensates us for the billions in health and social welfare we have given his own,and while he is at it,he can compensate us for the costs of incarcerating thousands of violent felons we have had to investigate,detain and incarcerate.
oh,and while we are at it...he can compensate the victims of the ms-13 and various gangs he has enabled to come here and hurt our people...he can start with the 2 cops that were gunned down in colorado last year,that had families...only to find the bastard was hidden by the illegal(only here to work)immigrants in the community,then jumped the border back to mexico.

he can also compensate us for filling that tunnel with about 2000 yards of cement or more, that we had a shootout in with the mexican army last year when we caught them in the act of smuggling in tons of drugs!

i guess with his greedy ass eyes on our borders he cant look south to his southern border where thousands of central americans are robbed and raped or deported.

what a cluster fuck country.

i really wish we had a minefield with shoot to kill orders on the border,then the poor folk would not risk their lives..stay home and then maybe..they would see the shithole country they got,and force a change..cause they cant run here!


oops...a nod to my open border friends....can ms-13 go to your backyard and not mine,seeing as you believe in open borders and i dont?

Really, what are they going to do? Since when did the US consider the world court worth more than a hill of beans?

stupid americans trying to control the border

when will we ever learn

stupid americans trying to control the border

when will we ever learn


lol...we are dumb aint we.

how dare we control our border....just like mexico does with it's southern border.

hell,i would be suprised(since i wouldnt think to sneak to canada)if i wasnt at the least id'd on a visit to canada.
come to think of it,i went to montreal back in the 80's and our car was searched,and i had to produce id...hmmm...20 years ago...but now we cant ask the same?

The only reason Fox is angry is because money sent from the Us by Immigrants is the only part of the Mexican economy that doesn't suck. Well boo ho, douchebag. Work on your fucking country so your people will want to stay and help you out!

HAHAHA! Oh brother. We have full right to use whatever means necessary to defend our borders. He has no case. Oh brother. What a loser! *dies of laughter*
"Oh brother"?
Mmm. Haven't heard that in like 7 years.

I'm no fan of chucking troops on the boarder but Fox doesn't really have a case. Meh.

Considering that we're the ones militarizing the border and putting up thousands of National Guard soldiers that need not be there, I think they have a good case if we were to use the National Guard to make direct detainments.

I honestly wouldn't consider the plans for the guard on the border is militarizing. Now if we moved a mechanized division with all there equipment to the border to stop illegals than that could be called militarizing. However way you look at it. What the hell does Mexico think to say they will sue us in our own courts. I would seal the border for a week as a demonstration that we mean business. Fox needs to be put in his place along with the rest of the arrogant Mexicans.

All I can say is cry me a river. If I were the President I would tell Fox to stuff that lawsuit in some place unpleasant. The Guard from what I have heard will not actually make arrests. If they did it is of no place for a foreign government such as Mexico to tell us we can't. The nerve of these guys is unreal. I say stuff it Presidente Fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/16/mexico.immigration.ap/index.html

They're going to try and sue us in our own courts to prevent us from using our own troops to defend our own border...

...can I have some of whatever President Fox is smoking?

Really, what are they going to do? Since when did the US consider the world court worth more than a hill of beans?

Actually....its in our own courts. Hence, he has no standing and no case anyway. Due try to keep up.

Instead of suing, show a set of balls, pretend your a real nation and invade the US if you don't like our policies. Really, we could use another ten states.:upyours:

Instead of suing, show a set of balls, pretend your a real nation and invade the US if you don't like our policies. Really, we could use another ten states.:upyours:
Nah, I really dont think so. T'would be a nasty little war there, followed by an 'insurgency' similar to the one in Iraq.
It'll be Poncho Villa all over again...only without the horses. Possibly.

I doubt the insurgency bit, they'd probably be deliriously happy to be able to sponge off us without having to cross any boarders.

Why don't we just annex them? They've got oil, they're quite willing to be Americans.

Hmmm. La Latinos think they got us nailed huh? Poor liberal America. Next thing you know there will a lawsuit over a prisoner shot while escaping...

Probably a political move by Fox considering his popularity or lack there of at home:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/17/mexico.fear.ap/index.html

Nah, I really dont think so. T'would be a nasty little war there, followed by an 'insurgency' similar to the one in Iraq.
It'll be Poncho Villa all over again...only without the horses. Possibly.

I hate to gravedig (only a little one :p ), but I must point out that you're not likely to have problems with suicide bombers in a largely Catholic nation. ;)

I hate to gravedig (only a little one :p ), but I must point out that you're not likely to have problems with suicide bombers in a largely Catholic nation. ;)

HAHA! That's because suicide is massively frowned upon in the catholic faith :D

Oh no, es El Presidente!!

*Cue mariachi band*
*opens fire on mariachi band*

HAHA! That's because suicide is massively frowned upon in the catholic faith :D

Yes, Ted, that was the joke.[/Family Guy]

:p

Mexican officials worry the crackdown will lead to immigrant deaths. Since the U.S. toughened security at crossing spots in Texas and California in 1994, immigrants have flooded Arizona's hard-to-patrol desert and deaths have increased.

OMG. Tightening security in some locations forced those poor people to try to break the law in a place more dangerous! puh-leaze.

Although, when I lived in Arizona I heard about how the government would not allow some groups to put water in the middle of the desert for the illegals. Some illegals died, and their families SUED US! Now we allow groups to put water tanks in the middle of the desert so these poor criminals don't die while breaking the law. I think we should poison those water supplies, but I seriously doubt THAT would ever happen.

All I can say is cry me a river. If I were the President I would tell Fox to stuff that lawsuit in some place unpleasant. The Guard from what I have heard will not actually make arrests. If they did it is of no place for a foreign government such as Mexico to tell us we can't. The nerve of these guys is unreal. I say stuff it Presidente Fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/16/mexico.immigration.ap/index.html

Funny, when you were whining that some Texas border patrol agent *thought* he saw Mexican military forces on the US side, you were crying invasion, help us Minutemen, it's an evil plot by the evil Mexicans to invade us!

And now when they're objecting to our militarization of the border, you make light of it. Methinks if Mexico had put its military all along the border, you'd be having a shitstorm. And if I told you to cry me a river then, you'd huff and puff and bloat up about what a threat it is.

Funny, when you were whining that some Texas border patrol agent *thought* he saw Mexican military forces on the US side, you were crying invasion, help us Minutemen, it's an evil plot by the evil Mexicans to invade us!

And now when they're objecting to our militarization of the border, you make light of it. Methinks if Mexico had put its military all along the border, you'd be having a shitstorm. And if I told you to cry me a river then, you'd huff and puff and bloat up about what a threat it is.
So you like the idea that Fox is threatening to sue the US over the move of the NG to the border?
Why?

That's the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. Somewhere along the line, Mexico decided they had the right to control our domestic affairs.

Dear People of Mexico:
I love you and your country immensely, but please stop electing idiots. That's our job.

So you like the idea that Fox is threatening to sue the US over the move of the NG to the border?
Why?

Where did I say I "like the idea?"

Let him threaten. The fact that this is all he can threaten us with is yet one more reason why no one should be having "fears" about war with Mexico or Mexicans "invading" the US and similar bullshit.

Wouldn't matter if we did use troops to detain. The Mexicans use troops on the border with Guatemala. So where is the problem?
Mexico uses troops on it's northern border, too.

Funny, when you were whining that some Texas border patrol agent *thought* he saw Mexican military forces on the US side, you were crying invasion, help us Minutemen, it's an evil plot by the evil Mexicans to invade us!

And now when they're objecting to our militarization of the border, you make light of it. Methinks if Mexico had put its military all along the border, you'd be having a shitstorm. And if I told you to cry me a river then, you'd huff and puff and bloat up about what a threat it is.
What a stupid comparison. The story from Texas was that border patrol agents saw people wearing Mexican Army uniforms and driving Army vehicles on OUR side of the border in what appeared to be a drug smuggling operation. Once they were spotted they fled. When one of their Hummers got stuck, they unloaded a bunch of boxes from it and lit it on fire. You're comparing this to the Us sending the National Guard, who will undoubtedly stay on OUR side of the border, to help build roads and buildings and act as lookouts for the border patrol but who will not make any arrests or detain anyone?

Funny, when you were whining that some Texas border patrol agent *thought* he saw Mexican military forces on the US side, you were crying invasion, help us Minutemen, it's an evil plot by the evil Mexicans to invade us!

And now when they're objecting to our militarization of the border, you make light of it. Methinks if Mexico had put its military all along the border, you'd be having a shitstorm. And if I told you to cry me a river then, you'd huff and puff and bloat up about what a threat it is.


If the National Guard crosses the border onto Mexican soil Fox would have a point. An extremely good point.

Until then Fox is trying to force his policies on a sovereign nation by threats of lawsuits brought through consullates. He is in essence trying to govern people in a different country and require them to run their military forces as he sees fit within the boundaries of their own nation.

You dont really "get" the concept of borders and who can do what on which side of them do you?

All I can say is cry me a river. If I were the President I would tell Fox to stuff that lawsuit in some place unpleasant. The Guard from what I have heard will not actually make arrests. If they did it is of no place for a foreign government such as Mexico to tell us we can't. The nerve of these guys is unreal. I say stuff it Presidente Fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/16/mexico.immigration.ap/index.html
It is just that simple, isn't it. Our glorious leader, President Bush, should explain to Fox that a border divides the two countries. On one side is Mexico, we don't tell you what to do there. On the other side is The United States. You don't tell us what to do here.

If the National Guard crosses the border onto Mexican soil Fox would have a point. An extremely good point.

Until then Fox is trying to force his policies on a sovereign nation by threats of lawsuits brought through consullates. He is in essence trying to govern people in a different country and require them to run their military forces as he sees fit within the boundaries of their own nation.

You dont really "get" the concept of borders and who can do what on which side of them do you?

Well, I don't think threatening to make a lawsuit is trying to govern a nation. I mean it's not like he invaded the US, forcibly deposed it's government, occupied the country for years while setting up a new government in Fox's own image, is it?

Well, I don't think threatening to make a lawsuit is trying to govern a nation. I mean it's not like he invaded the US, forcibly deposed it's government, occupied the country for years while setting up a new government in Fox's own image, is it?


how sassy

Well, I don't think threatening to make a lawsuit is trying to govern a nation. I mean it's not like he invaded the US, forcibly deposed it's government, occupied the country for years while setting up a new government in Fox's own image, is it?
not to that extreme but tell me what rights he has to stand on?

The Mexican army has crossed into Texas on several occasions. Not a peep from the BPS or USG.

:headbang:

The Mexican army has crossed into Texas on several occasions. Not a peep from the BPS or USG.

:headbang:
200 times since 1996 according to the Fed. Of course, they say it was accidental most of the time.

It'll never last. If border security starts getting too tight, those guardsmn will get pulled back and the border guard will get a funding cut. The powers that be don't want it easy for illegal imigrants to enter the country, but they don't want it impossible either.
It seems like the guardsmen are there more for show or to let Americans know that people with guns will be there in the general area.

200 times since 1996 according to the Fed. Of course, they say it was accidental most of the time.
If you look on Google Maps, you can see the border being pushed up slowly but surely.

200 times since 1996 according to the Fed. Of course, they say it was accidental most of the time.

That's what they say. Why would mexican troops cross a fence and harass law abiding americans with automatic rifles?

One of these days it's going to be a shooting incident and the Mexican army will lose big.

Good :D

This is an extreme but....

I say we recomence nuclear weapons testing..... south of the border.

I hate to gravedig (only a little one :p ), but I must point out that you're not likely to have problems with suicide bombers in a largely Catholic nation. ;)
I said similar :P

This is an extreme but....

I say we recomence nuclear weapons testing..... south of the border.
But then we end up with super-Mexicans that have six arms and laser vision!

All I can say is cry me a river. If I were the President I would tell Fox to stuff that lawsuit in some place unpleasant. The Guard from what I have heard will not actually make arrests. If they did it is of no place for a foreign government such as Mexico to tell us we can't. The nerve of these guys is unreal. I say stuff it Presidente Fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/16/mexico.immigration.ap/index.html

Probably El Presidente is worried that all oil will be gone, due to Americans used way too much Saran® wraps to protect their country from "aliens" and terrorists.

This is an extreme but....

I say we recomence nuclear weapons testing..... south of the border.
What happens when your imagination really runs wild?

If the National Guard crosses the border onto Mexican soil Fox would have a point. An extremely good point.

Until then Fox is trying to force his policies on a sovereign nation by threats of lawsuits brought through consullates. He is in essence trying to govern people in a different country and require them to run their military forces as he sees fit within the boundaries of their own nation.

You dont really "get" the concept of borders and who can do what on which side of them do you?

Hey Fox is trying to act tough to the big bad United States trying to stop illegals from poring in. What we do on our own border is our own business. A few thousand National Guard troops is hardly militarizing the border anyway.

How about a "de-militerized zone" about 50 miles wide on each side of the border that extends from Brownsville to right before San Diego, cause we need that one. Then the US and Mexico joint rules the area. Then we militerize that border instead.

These Mexicans are obviously asking for war, they dump their garbage of society in America and ruin its economy and yet when America acts they get all pissed about it!!!:headbang:

WAR! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

All I can say is cry me a river. If I were the President I would tell Fox to stuff that lawsuit in some place unpleasant. The Guard from what I have heard will not actually make arrests. If they did it is of no place for a foreign government such as Mexico to tell us we can't. The nerve of these guys is unreal. I say stuff it Presidente Fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/16/mexico.immigration.ap/index.html

Um, not to sound, like, you know, stupid or anything.... but if the Guard is on teh American side of the border, what right has he to say anything?

If the Guard crossed the border or shot across the border (which I doubt they would) that would be another thing entirely.

Why not send every person who tries to cross back home with a pamphlet containing instructions on how to create, and subsequently aid, a popular movement for American annexation of Mexico? I mean we've already got 12 million that we can send back to start out with....better than starting from scratch no?

Just imagine all the business that could be created if Mexico was established as a territory with nearly ungoverned economic regulations. How many jobs could be created? How much would markets expand immediately afterwards? Giving people jobs makes more willing consumers.

Now once they became states there'd obviously have to be some cracking down, but hey, that'd be for the citizens of "New New Mexico" to work out on their own time.

All we'd have to worry about then is the Guatemalan border. Maybe with the added assistance of the incorporated Mexican military we might have sufficient troops to manage no? I mean that is without recalling all those old guys who thought they had done their years of service and were hoping to live out the rest of their days in peace...

I doubt the insurgency bit, they'd probably be deliriously happy to be able to sponge off us without having to cross any boarders.

Why don't we just annex them? They've got oil, they're quite willing to be Americans.

Actually, the ARE Americans. Every one of the people on the North or South American continents (and in between) are Americans. Just as the people in South Africa are not the only Africans, The United States of...America really needs to stop thinking of their nationality in such myopic terms and adopt a world term for themselves such as Amerikaners or USians if they want to be distinguished from the crowd.

Actually, the ARE Americans. Every one of the people on the North or South American continents (and in between) are Americans. Just as the people in South Africa are not the only Africans, The United States of...America really needs to stop thinking of their nationality in such myopic terms and adopt a world term for themselves such as Amerikaners or USians if they want to be distinguished from the crowd.

They're South Americans, We're North Americans.

That puts me in the same category as Canada, but A canadian never wrecked my Towncar :D. And I gotta have maple syrup for breakast!

You dont really "get" the concept of borders and who can do what on which side of them do you?

I sure as hell don't. Why don't you explain it to me oh Wise One?

I sure as hell don't. Why don't you explain it to me oh Wise One?

What are you, some sort of social globalist one world government pusher? Noone can't understand what a border is.

It is just that simple, isn't it. Our glorious leader, President Bush, should explain to Fox that a border divides the two countries. On one side is Mexico, we don't tell you what to do there. On the other side is The United States. You don't tell us what to do here.

It amazes me that all accross the United States there are property lines without fences or walls. That everyone gets along, and few feel threatened by the lack of physical seperation. If a poor man lives next door to a rich man, does the rich man build a wall and double lock his doors just because the man next door is poor? Sometimes, but not usually. Paranoia in the place of brotherhood is shameful, disgusting and should be worked against.

Actually, the ARE Americans. Every one of the people on the North or South American continents (and in between) are Americans. Just as the people in South Africa are not the only Africans, The United States of...America really needs to stop thinking of their nationality in such myopic terms and adopt a world term for themselves such as Amerikaners or USians if they want to be distinguished from the crowd.People really need to stop whining about this.

They're South Americans, We're North Americans.

That puts me in the same category as Canada, but A canadian never wrecked my Towncar :D. And I gotta have maple syrup for breakast!

Mexico is in North America.

It amazes me that all accross the United States there are property lines without fences or walls. That everyone gets along, and few feel threatened by the lack of physical seperation. If a poor man lives next door to a rich man, does the rich man build a wall and double lock his doors just because the man next door is poor? Sometimes, but not usually. Paranoia in the place of brotherhood is shameful, disgusting and should be worked against.

No everyone doesn't get along fine. We have FINE UPSTANDING people called burglars. And rapists. And murders-serial, gang, and pschotic. We have peeping toms, crazy ATF agents busting LACs, and cannibals, and child molesters, and YOU want to have 'brotherhood' with them?

I double lock my doors so they don't get broken into by a crack head looking to get things to pawn for his next hit. I keep a handgun because I KNOW the police won't be there when I need them. I keep 2 large dogs to ward of never do wells. I keep my yard fenced in so they don't get out and so they don't get in.

It's not paranoia, it's common sense.

What are you, some sort of social globalist one world government pusher? Noone can't understand what a border is.

BINGO

Mexico is in North America.

Unfortunately. They don't share anything with us culturally, economically, socially, or in any other way. And from where I'm at, their south of me.

People really need to stop whining about this.

Why? Because it's getting on your last arrogant nerve?

BINGO

I couldn't see myself saying "I pledge allegiance to the one world government...". Either way, the constitution wouldn't allow for a transfer of American sovereignty to some 3rd world country dictator.

:headbang:

I couldn’t see myself saying “I pledge allegiance to the one world government...”.
But you presumably pledge allegiance to the US flag? How is the above any different/more difficult to comprehend?

Either way, the constitution wouldn’t allow for a transfer of American sovereignty to some 3rd world country dictator.

Well you could, you know, ammend it.

I couldn't see myself saying "I pledge allegiance to the one world government...". Either way, the constitution wouldn't allow for a transfer of American sovereignty to some 3rd world country dictator.

:headbang:

Actually, it goes like this:

I pledge allegiance to the World,
To the United People of Gaia
And to the Love for which we stand
One planet, after all
Indivisible
With Liberty & Justice for all.

Uh-huh.

May the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless your planet, too.

But you presumably pledge allegiance to the US flag? How is the above any different/more difficult to comprehend?



Well you could, you know, ammend it.

No way. I pledge allegiance to it because it's MY country. America must ALWAYS be ruled by it's own AMERICAN leaders. It's not only an issue of national pride but common sense. And eitherway, America will always be governed by Americans, not French, British, Iraqi, saudi, brazilian, etc.

Napoleon's defeat could be attributed to nationalism. The same could be said of a multi-national ruler of the USA.

Well, Unrestrained Merrymaki, Thank GOD you have no say in the administrative policies of the United States of America.

Also, the National Guard is doing more of the clerical and the paper-bitch work, not the apprehension and patrolling. But seriously, 6,000 total troops in three shifts of 2,000 NG at any one time? If you think about it, for the stretch of the border we have, it ain't much.

And DesignatedMarksman, considering those OMG EVIL REDNECKS!!!11 that live in Texas probably have better marksmanship skills than most armies in the world, I don't even think we need the National Guard. Yay for the Second Amendment. :)

All I can say is cry me a river. If I were the President I would tell Fox to stuff that lawsuit in some place unpleasant. The Guard from what I have heard will not actually make arrests. If they did it is of no place for a foreign government such as Mexico to tell us we can't. The nerve of these guys is unreal. I say stuff it Presidente Fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/16/mexico.immigration.ap/index.html

Indeed. National Guard troops were meant to do things like this.

~ Romandeos

Well you could, you know, ammend it.

Not for something like that we wouldn't.

~ Romandeos

Well, Unrestrained Merrymaki, Thank GOD you have no say in the administrative policies of the United States of America.

Also, the National Guard is doing more of the clerical and the paper-bitch work, not the apprehension and patrolling. But seriously, 6,000 total troops in three shifts of 2,000 NG at any one time? If you think about it, for the stretch of the border we have, it ain't much.

And DesignatedMarksman, considering those OMG EVIL REDNECKS!!!11 that live in Texas probably have better marksmanship skills than most armies in the world, I don't even think we need the National Guard. Yay for the Second Amendment. :)

Hey, I consider myself a somewhat urbanized redneck. I don't drive a truck, I drive a Benz. I hunt and fish frequently, tend to vote red, and love living in the south. Although the redneck population of south texas would love to deal with the illegals, Amnesty and the Mexi Gov't would cry foul. Heck, they already do if the gov't does it, even with kid gloves on.

Derscon, Last time we rednecks had a tailgate party on the border the Mexicans sent an entire battalion to their side. We must be hard core :D

Well, Unrestrained Merrymaki, Thank GOD you have no say in the administrative policies of the United States of America.

Actually, as soon as I get my kids grown, its a goal of mine to run for city office. We had an experience here a few years ago where fundementalist christians stacked local government offices while the rest of us mowed our lawns and drank beer. There are still a few left that have survived the elections that followed. But I figure with an ultra open mind such as mine, degrees in three social science fields INCLUDING religion, how interesting would THAT be? My youngest is 11, so I am thinking about 7 or 8 more years. That way I can devote more of my attention to the office. Wish me luck! =D

They would in fact have grounds to sue on, in our own system of laws. Technically speaking, it's illegal for the NatGuard to be sent in to do anything directly involved in capture or detainment on a multi-state basis without invoking posse comitatus - martial law/national emergency, in which case the military would be given full law enforcement authority, superseding that of the states. That martial law area would have to be extended across the entire southern border.

Beyond that, I completely agree with the "shove their objections where the sun doesn't shine" suggestion.

They would in fact have grounds to sue on, in our own system of laws. Technically speaking, it's illegal for the NatGuard to be sent in to do anything directly involved in capture or detainment on a multi-state basis without invoking posse comitatus - martial law/national emergency, in which case the military would be given full law enforcement authority, superseding that of the states. That martial law area would have to be extended across the entire southern border.

Beyond that, I completely agree with the "shove their objections where the sun doesn't shine" suggestion.

And since the National Guard is not getting involved in capture or detainment, there is no case to be made.

Correct, Corneliu, the National Guard are simply being office bitches for the Border Patrol, not doing actual field work.

DM, I never said being a redneck is bad. I was using sarcasm. My grandfather would most likely be considered a redneck by all elitists.

And Unrestrained Merrymaki, do whatever you want to your local town. Just keep it there -- frankly, I don't want someone with your political ideals running my nation. Nothing personal, mind you, I just don't like your politics. Good luck on city council, though.

And since the National Guard is not getting involved in capture or detainment, there is no case to be made.

Alot of people missed that aspect of the plan. Including Presidente Fox.

Alot of people missed that aspect of the plan. Including Presidente Fox.
They didn't miss it. They are choosing to ignore it. Just as they ignore the distinction between illegal and legal immigration. Not doing so would invalidate the majority of their arguments.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that any nation has the right to do whatever they wish to their borders, open them up wide or shut them tight or anything in between.

That country would then have to accept the consequences of their actions however. Be that a complete isolation by the rest of the world and subsequent collapse of their economy or the unrestrained immigration leading to population explosion they are not ready for, and the subsequent collapse of their economy.

Speaking of rights... someone explain to me what right someone has to immigrate/emmigrate?

But you presumably pledge allegiance to the US flag? How is the above any different/more difficult to comprehend?

One world government wouldn't work. If you're a European living in the city, would you want delegates from the African sahara telling you what to do? Or an American farmer getting bossed by someone living in an Asian supermetropolis?

In case you havent notice, nations are set up to protect the national interests of people of similar culture, location and economic dependence

They didn't miss it. They are choosing to ignore it. Just as they ignore the distinction between illegal and legal immigration. Not doing so would invalidate the majority of their arguments.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that any nation has the right to do whatever they wish to their borders, open them up wide or shut them tight or anything in between.

That country would then have to accept the consequences of their actions however. Be that a complete isolation by the rest of the world and subsequent collapse of their economy or the unrestrained immigration leading to population explosion they are not ready for, and the subsequent collapse of their economy.

Speaking of rights... someone explain to me what right someone has to immigrate/emmigrate?

Good statement and good questions to ask of the bleeding hearts.

They didn't miss it. They are choosing to ignore it. Just as they ignore the distinction between illegal and legal immigration. Not doing so would invalidate the majority of their arguments.

Most everyone here knows the difference between legal and illegal immigration.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that any nation has the right to do whatever they wish to their borders, open them up wide or shut them tight or anything in between.

Yep.

That country would then have to accept the consequences of their actions however. Be that a complete isolation by the rest of the world and subsequent collapse of their economy or the unrestrained immigration leading to population explosion they are not ready for, and the subsequent collapse of their economy.

This is a stupid issue to try and isolate nations on. Nations have the right to deal with immigration as they please and if other nations do not like it well that is to damn bad.

It amazes me that all accross the United States there are property lines without fences or walls. That everyone gets along, and few feel threatened by the lack of physical seperation. If a poor man lives next door to a rich man, does the rich man build a wall and double lock his doors just because the man next door is poor? Sometimes, but not usually. Paranoia in the place of brotherhood is shameful, disgusting and should be worked against.



I can remember a quote:

Nothing turns a rich liberal lefty into a raving right wing reactionary quicker than having his house burgled.
;)

And since the National Guard is not getting involved in capture or detainment, there is no case to be made.

Right. Which is what they said, correct? That if the National Guard became involved in detainment, then they would sue.

Actually, it goes like this:

I pledge allegiance to the World,
To the United People of Gaia
And to the Love for which we stand
One planet, after all
Indivisible
With Liberty & Justice for all.

Lol. Call me when the mothership lands.

Just ran across a link to this article on the Drudgereport.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060521/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_limiting_immigrants

And the Mexican government has the balls to bitch about American immigration policies?

Just ran across a link to this article on the Drudgereport.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060521/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_limiting_immigrants

And the Mexican government has the balls to bitch about American immigration policies?

w00t for government hypocrisy! Glad to know it's not just in America. :D

I read a newspaper article that Mexico detaines and deports to thier nation of origin, a certain number of illegal immigrants a year who enter Mexico illegally on thier way to the US illegally.

Interesting.

Mexico gets $10,000,000,000 a year from Illegals sending money back to the home country, which is more than they make on oil. Of course Fox is going to be against us enforcing our border more. As for shipping people back who are trying to break into the US from other countries... at some point the US has to set up and take notice, he'd rather that point largely dominated by Mexicans... it's all enlightened self interests.

Really I'm quite confused. They're pissed off that we're enforcing -our- laws?


"Nobody can come through the border without proper authorization or citizenship."

"... But we wanna! And we're gonna do it, and then bitch about it when you threaten to turn us back!"

"Okay, then we'll have to enforce it using our national guard."

"You bastards! If you do that, you'll probably succeed in keeping us from breaking your laws!"

"I fail to see the problem here."

"WE'LL SUE YOU!"

How about we set up Kill Zones with a shit load more troops AND air power, and if the *laughs* mexican army has something to say about it, they can cross the border and do so. :sniper: :mp5: :mad:

Am I the only person who read the phrase "if there is a wave of rights abuses" in the OP linked article?

Given that the US is having a lot of fingers pointed at it human rights wise, they might have a point. Also, if the national guard aren't going to detain anyone, what are they going to do? Watch Mexicans walk past them? Or call the patrols who normally do their job, but probably don't have enough men to man enough of the border to stop people coming in.

Am I the only person who read the phrase "if there is a wave of rights abuses" in the OP linked article?

Given that the US is having a lot of fingers pointed at it human rights wise, they might have a point. Also, if the national guard aren't going to detain anyone, what are they going to do? Watch Mexicans walk past them? Or call the patrols who normally do their job, but probably don't have enough men to man enough of the border to stop people coming in.
They're supposed to be building roads and other infrastructure, training and spotting, not arresting.

They're supposed to be building roads and other infrastructure, training and spotting, not arresting.
so essentially they're just going to call the border patrols if they see anyone. If the mexicans hear about this I don't see how it's going to make a huge amount of difference, the sheer numbers going over would prevent the patrols from getting them all.

so essentially they're just going to call the border patrols if they see anyone. If the mexicans hear about this I don't see how it's going to make a huge amount of difference, the sheer numbers going over would prevent the patrols from getting them all.
Yep. This is pure polituical grandstanding on the part of the Bush administration. Even teh border patrol says it will do very little to help them.

so essentially they're just going to call the border patrols if they see anyone. If the mexicans hear about this I don't see how it's going to make a huge amount of difference, the sheer numbers going over would prevent the patrols from getting them all.
One thing they are going to do is so some of the support jobs for the Border Patrol, freeing up agents to be used in the field.
Plus supplying the manpower to build roads, barriers, other infrastructure.
Not the complete answer, but it is an answer.