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do you think it is cruel to have the death row inmates spend a day or two before digging their own grave?

and then having another death row inmate (the others cell mate if they had one) put the dirt back into the grave?

Dig their own grave? Graves are dug with back-hoes these days. It can be done in about 5 minutes.

The logistics of having a condemned inmate dig his own simply don't make sense, it would be absurd.

Digging your own grave? I like jello.

They should dig it. With their teeth!

They should dig it. With their teeth!
I aprove this method.

Dig their own grave? Graves are dug with back-hoes these days. It can be done in about 5 minutes.

The logistics of having a condemned inmate dig his own simply don't make sense, it would be absurd.
Effiency is crap.

Dig their own grave? Graves are dug with back-hoes these days. It can be done in about 5 minutes.

The logistics of having a condemned inmate dig his own simply don't make sense, it would be absurd.

it can be done very quick or they can have inmates get out there with a shovel and dig it themself. it will add a little more to the punishment that way. if anything else it will make them realize faster where they are going to end up

No, it's not cruel, but it seems kind of pointless and inefficient.

it can be done very quick or they can have inmates get out there with a shovel and dig it themself. it will add a little more to the punishment that way. if anything else it will make them realize faster where they are going to end up
A nice cold beer with green jello will cure them.

No, it's not cruel, but it seems kind of pointless and inefficient.

buy gas and hire a guy to operate the machine to dig it?

or buy a shovel and make an inmate do it?

No, it's not cruel, but it seems kind of pointless and inefficient.
*smack*

What did I just say?

it can be done very quick or they can have inmates get out there with a shovel and dig it themself. it will add a little more to the punishment that way. if anything else it will make them realize faster where they are going to end up

And the point is?

By that satge they will be a dead man walking anyhow. If they don't realise that then making them dig their grave is unlikely to make a difference, if they do it's cruel and unnecessary.

It doesn't deter, it sure as hell doesn't make reparations, all it is is a little extra torment.

And WTF is a backhoe?

Is it what us brits call 'diggers'?

buy gas and hire a guy to operate the machine to dig it?

or buy a shovel and make an inmate do it?
Helps the economy if you hire a person to do it.

buy gas and hire a guy to operate the machine to dig it?

or buy a shovel and make an inmate do it?
"Inefficient" as in "taking a lot of time".

And I don't really see the point. We might as well use our convicts as slaves for major corporations. Sigh.

And WTF is a backhoe?

Is it what us brits call 'diggers'?

well what the hell do you call a digger?

btw google backhoe

just make sure you dont spell it back ho

"Inefficient" as in "taking a lot of time".

And I don't really see the point. We might as well use our convicts as slaves for major corporations. Sigh.
I think that's a good idea.

Helps the economy if you hire a person to do it.
True. It lowers unemployment. Plus you get to use shiny machines. :D

well what the hell do you call a digger?

btw google backhoe

just make sure you dont spell it back ho
Teehee!

True. It lowers unemployment. Plus you get to use shiny machines. :D
Shiny machines!

I think that's a good idea.
Yes, it is, but only if you're a CEO. It would actually ruin the economy by causing unemployment to soar, and unpaid convict slaves would grow unhappy, rebel, vandalise equipment, or other such things.

In the end, the CEOs would be the only people making money off of it. So, yeah, good for them, not so good for everyone else. Like outsourcing.

Shiny machines!
Yay! Shiny things win!

And the point is?

By that satge they will be a dead man walking anyhow. If they don't realise that then making them dig their grave is unlikely to make a difference, if they do it's cruel and unnecessary.

It doesn't deter, it sure as hell doesn't make reparations, all it is is a little extra torment.

And WTF is a backhoe?

Is it what us brits call 'diggers'?


If only you spoke American like a civilized person.

Yes, it is, but only if you're a CEO. It would actually ruin the economy by causing unemployment to soar, and unpaid convict slaves would grow unhappy, rebel, vandalise equipment, or other such things.

In the end, the CEOs would be the only people making money off of it. So, yeah, good for them, not so good for everyone else. Like outsourcing.
I was thinking about that, but if we used prisoners instead of out sourcing, and hire the people for the "humane" jobs, we'd be great!

it can be done very quick or they can have inmates get out there with a shovel and dig it themself. it will add a little more to the punishment that way. if anything else it will make them realize faster where they are going to end up

That got me thinking. Maybe have inmates who are not on death row do the digging. The hope being that they would see where they will end up if they don't obey the law once they have served the time on their current sentence.

There is a cousin in my family who was arrested 30 minutes after being paroled. She was already on a suspended sentence when she was arrested, she somehow managed to get released again, then tries to buy drugs from a cop in less than an hour. SOMETHING is wrong with the system. I know you're supposed to stand by family, but she did the crime, she should do the time. And maybe a little more for being stupid.

Yay! Shiny things win!
Yay! 10 points to shiny things!

unpaid convict slaves would grow unhappy, rebel, vandalise equipment, or other such things.


thats why you make it their job to vandelise, theres always buildings that need to be knocked down and such. just realease about 20 inmates and give them each enough explosive to knock the bulding down. if they die too bad they were going to be killed anyway

thats why you make it their job to vandelise, theres always buildings that need to be knocked down and such. just realease about 20 inmates and give them each enough explosive to knock the bulding down. if they die too bad they were going to be killed anyway
But that takes the punishment out of it.

what makes you think that an executed man is buried at the prison he was held in?

because in many cases they are. and even if they are not they can go out to the site

what makes you think that an executed man is buried at the prison he was held in?
Does it have to be limited to the prison? I thought the OP meant dig it at place of his choice.. cemitery.

How do you get a guy who's already about to be put to death to do manual labor? What's in it for him to cooperate? What penalties can you threaten him with? He's already a dead man.

How do you get a guy who's already about to be put to death to do manual labor? What's in it for him to cooperate? What penalties can you threaten him with? He's already a dead man.

i thought about that to

i was going to mention it in the op but i decided not to

hmmm....

take away his last meal if he refuses?

do you think it is cruel to have the death row inmates spend a day or two before digging their own grave?

and then having another death row inmate (the others cell mate if they had one) put the dirt back into the grave?
I wouldn't mind digging my own grave. I mean I tailor make mine. 12 ft down... 180 feet in either direction... or however long needed to get beyond the fence... :D

How do you get a guy who's already about to be put to death to do manual labor? What's in it for him to cooperate? What penalties can you threaten him with? He's already a dead man.
don't use an alcohol wipe for the needle?

or "you will dig your grave... you won't be killed untill it's done!"

do you think it is cruel to have the death row inmates spend a day or two before digging their own grave?

What if they refuse?

Put them into prison?

the way i see it, if you make a condemned prisoner dig his own grave it kinda puts it quite clearly and unrefutably in the front of their heads (no pun intended) that they are going to die!

you lot are all focusing on what seems to be the economic side of the argument.

gees if was to dig my own grave, i would be f****** scared cos thats like the whole of the country giving the convict the good old two fingers!

two fingers!

brit?

or do you mean from both hands?

the way i see it, if you make a condemned prisoner dig his own grave it kinda puts it quite clearly and unrefutably in the front of their heads (no pun intended) that they are going to die!

you lot are all focusing on what seems to be the economic side of the argument.

gees if was to dig my own grave, i would be f****** scared cos thats like the whole of the country giving the convict the good old two fingers!
Unless you're willing to resort to torture it's kind of hard to make a death row inmate do anything.

Unless you're willing to resort to torture it's kind of hard to make a death row inmate do anything.

how about a false promise of "if you do this we will let you stay alive for another week and hire all the strippers you want"

how about a false promise of "if you do this we will let you stay alive for another week and hire all the strippers you want"
They only exexcute the mentaly handycapped in texas

The rest of the fully comptent adult population probably wont fall for this bs

how about a false promise of "if you do this we will let you stay alive for another week and hire all the strippers you want"
Unless you deliver on that promise with the first group of inmates the rest will know. News travels in a prison.

have them dig their grave then they have to live in that open grave for their last day

and tell all the other inmates that he is out having fun with the strippers

How about combining the method of execution with corpse disposal? Feed them feet first into an incinerator? Now THERE’S deterrent for you! Of course we'll save that for really heinous crimes. Murder, rape, shoplifting, skateboarding and the like.

Let me get this straight: you tell them to dig a grave and when it's finished they'll be executed?

Am I the only one who's reminded of Penelope in the Iliad, who agrees to marry one of the suitors after sewing a memorial tapestry? ;)

I aprove this method.
Why the hell not? Including, obviously, pounding the ol' boulders into driveway gravel.
*shrugs*

How do you get a guy who's already about to be put to death to do manual labor? What's in it for him to cooperate? What penalties can you threaten him with? He's already a dead man.
He could be bunked with a serial rapist, or a few of them, especially ones of a different religious persuasion ... and there'd be no intervention, of course.
I think that'd be worth digging my grave quicker.

I disagree with the death penalty anyway.