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from here (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hoax.html)

Is it common practice to manipulate the U.S. into war? Or is such a thing inconceivable? It is also quite possible, indeed likely, that the United States is being spoofed by a third party to trigger a war. It has happened before. According to Victor Ostrovsky, a defector from Israel's secret service, Mossad, Israel decided to mount a false flag operation designed to further discredit Libya, and provoke the US to attack an Arab nation. A transmitter loaded with pre-recorded messages was planted in Tripoli, Libya, by a Mossad team.

The `Trojan Horse' beamed out fake messages about Libyan-authorized bombings and planned attacks that were immediately intercepted by US electronic monitoring. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi's two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked.

It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war."
Now, how accurate is this story?

from here (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hoax.html)

Is it common practice to manipulate the U.S. into war? Or is such a thing inconceivable?
Now, how accurate is this story?


Not a clue.

But then again, the Libyans could have kept their noses clean, so they wouldn't get tweaked, wot?

That website is the same one that tries to claim the 11th September attacks were carried out by the US government. Er, no. I don't trust it.

The USA will take any excuse for a war. The USA invaded Cuba, the Phillipines and other Spanish territories because ... it attacked a US warship which was found later not to be sunk by the Spanish.

It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

The Mossad motto is the first half of Proverbs 24:6 and going by the KJV we get "For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war".

i dunno how accurate the story is but i can believe it would be quite possible for an organisation such as mossad to dupe a foreign government into commiting to military action. cuz apart from intelligence gathering, intelligence agencies are frequently involved in the manipulation of foreign governments - look at the CIA's record in south america.

If by 3rd party they mean Israel...
Its 200% possible.

Israel wants control of the middle east and well, America is on their puppet strings.

That website is the same one that tries to claim the 11th September attacks were carried out by the US government. Er, no. I don't trust it.
Wasn't really asking about trustworthyness of source, it obviously has an agenda. Rather truthfulness of the particular posted claim.

Wasn't really asking about trustworthyness of source, it obviously has an agenda. Rather truthfulness of the particular posted claim.
Oh, OK. I don't belive the story, but I have no way to refute it (other than my deep cynicism).

Wasn't really asking about trustworthyness of source, it obviously has an agenda. Rather truthfulness of the particular posted claim.


Dear me, and I assumed that the whole tone, 'common practise' and all, was part of a series of threads to expose the EBIL zionist conspiracy against much-maligned peaceful muslim leaders like Khadaffi...

Dear me, and I assumed that the whole tone, 'common practise' and all, was part of a series of threads to expose the EBIL zionist conspiracy against much-maligned peaceful muslim leaders like Khadaffi...
You and your silly conspiracy therories..:p

You and your silly conspiracy therories..:p

:D

The U.S. isn't likely to be tricked into any sort of war by another country, although it has occasionally happened. Of course, it's quite possible for the U.S. itself to purposely take the bait as an excuse for war. It's possible that the government simply used whatever info they had as a reason for involvement in a conflict. Also look to the fact that the U.S. and israel have traditionally been on good terms and supported each other. Both have many interests in predominantly islamic regions, and both are hated by the majority of the Islamic world. The US record in south America:sniper:, Vietnam(the tonkin gulf incident) and Iraq all show the USA's willingness to go to war over little to no evidence.

The USA will take any excuse for a war. The USA invaded Cuba, the Phillipines and other Spanish territories because ... it attacked a US warship which was found later not to be sunk by the Spanish.
Yeah. And what about when their patrols were attacked by Mexican troops just because they were in Mexican territory? They made a war out of that too.

Do you want me to say that Israel is capable of it?

They are. Their military has no compuntions against assassination. They have been known to plant bombs in phone booths in order to blow up suspected terorists who frequent the booth. They don't always blow up the right person, either. The only real difference between Israel's tactics and Palestinian's tactics is that Israel targets specific people(though sometimes they miss, or there is 'collateral damage'). They have specific tactical goals when they bulldoze a bunch of innocent people's houses down. Palestinians don't care who they blow up and have no specific tactical goal to their attacks other than to hurt Israel.

To some, that makes all the difference. To others, the methods are what make them horrid, not the goals.

Israel is fully capable of manipulating the United States to attack another country if it's in their best interest tactically. But they won't do it just to hurt Libya.

Does that make you feel better about Israel? I sure don't. :p

If you tell me someone said bad things about my mother and I go and break his face, where does the real responsibility lie for his injuries? On you or on me?

I don't know. It sounds like the same old ZOG conspiracy theories we've all come to know and hate.

If you tell me someone said bad things about my mother and I go and break his face, where does the real responsibility lie for his injuries? On you or on me?
Does it matter if the bad things said are true?

(no, I've no opinion whatsoever about your mother, nor have I expressed those opinions, if I have those are all very positive, not that I like your mother, which is not to say she is deserving of having bad things said about her/him)

Very doubtful.

Don't know about other countries, but factions within the US establishment, quite possibly.

This (http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/1097/9710037.html) is an article by the fellow who told the story, a Canadian! :eek:

So, on Oct. 21, 1995, I was surprised to be invited by Canadian Television (CTV) producer Ron Fine to do a guest appearance on "Canada AM," the widely viewed Canadian version of "Good Morning America." Scheduled to appear on the same program, via satellite from Israel, was Israeli journalist Yosef Lapid, the former head of Israeli television.
[...]
Lapid had earned his 14 minutes of North American media fame by appealing openly on the Israeli television show "Popolitica" for the Mossad to seek me out in Canada and kill me for writing my books. He had followed this with an article making the same appeal in the Tel Aviv daily Ma'ariv headlined "By Virtue of Murder" (see accompanying translation).

On cue, Lapid repeated, as I listened, his call for my assassination on the Canadian television show, but this time with a twist. He said that, since Israel's Mossad could not kill me in Canada without causing a diplomatic incident, "I hope that there would be a decent Jew in Canada who would do the job for us."

He said that, since Israel's Mossad could not kill me in Canada without causing a diplomatic incident, "I hope that there would be a decent Jew in Canada who would do the job for us."
My my my, Israel sure has a twisted idea of decency.....