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Rawr. First thread.

So. I think polygamy should be legal. You hear constantly during gay marriage debates "you have no place to stop them/me from marrying who they/I love"[1]. Where's this sentiment when you love more than one?

[1]Or something to that effect. I could find one for an exact quote, but eh...Too lazy.

So. Dicuss, debate, diga, pero no flaming.


(Look at the happy polygamists! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :D )

Polygamy is exploitation. Like those guys out in Utah. Old men marrying teenage girls. Some of them have ten+ wives and even more kids. It's just sick and defiles the principles of marriage. I don't know how someone can compare gay rights to polygamist rights.

Polygamy is exploitation. Like those guys out in Utah. Old men marrying teenage girls. Some of them have ten+ wives and even more kids. It's just sick and defiles the principles of marriage. I don't know how someone can compare gay rights to polygamist rights.

Because polygamy simply means marrying more than one person, and not "Old men marring a baker's dozen of teenage girls"? If an old man only marries one teenage girl, it's okay?

Because polygamy simply means marrying more than one person, and not "Old men marring a baker's dozen of teenage girls"? If an old man only marries one teenage girl, it's okay?

That's still wrong.

Well, I'm for group marriage, but not really polygamy. There's a subtle difference. Group marriage would involve (in my scenario) multiple males and females, and individuals marry into the group, not to each other as individuals. No one comes into the group without the consent of all in the group.

The problem with polygamy as it is generally practiced is that it's never really a meeting of equals--there's a dominant figure at the center, usually male, and the others revolve around him like planets captured in his gravity well. And that's not generally very healthy emotionally.

I think that any sexual or romantic relationship between consenting adults should be legal, so i do think polygamy should be legal. It should be equal opportunity though, and should be legal for both men and women.

That's still wrong.

Then do something about old men and teenage girl relations, not polygamy as a whole, as I'd imagine that's not the only way something like that can happen.

Well, I'm for group marriage, but not really polygamy. There's a subtle difference. Group marriage would involve (in my scenario) multiple males and females, and individuals marry into the group, not to each other as individuals. No one comes into the group without the consent of all in the group.

The problem with polygamy as it is generally practiced is that it's never really a meeting of equals--there's a dominant figure at the center, usually male, and the others revolve around him like planets captured in his gravity well. And that's not generally very healthy emotionally.

I think that any sexual or romantic relationship between consenting adults should be legal, so i do think polygamy should be legal. It should be equal opportunity though, and should be legal for both men and women.

Well sure, I agree. Obviously everyone connected should be in agreement, and I'd rather it wasn't just "one man, many wives" as is so often assumed.

Well, I'm for group marriage, but not really polygamy. There's a subtle difference. Group marriage would involve (in my scenario) multiple males and females, and individuals marry into the group, not to each other as individuals. No one comes into the group without the consent of all in the group.

The problem with polygamy as it is generally practiced is that it's never really a meeting of equals--there's a dominant figure at the center, usually male, and the others revolve around him like planets captured in his gravity well. And that's not generally very healthy emotionally.
Hell, why not just have an orgy?

Hell, why not just have an orgy?

*shrug* That's a side benefit.

Then do something about old men and teenage girl relations, not polygamy as a whole, as I'd imagine that's not the only way something like that can happen.

Luckily the law is trying to do something.

Hell, why not just have an orgy?
If that's the groove the group wants then cool. If someone wants to sit it out, then that's cool as well. Sexually, there has to be complete autonomy for it to work out. The one thing that can't be there is jealousy, or it'll fuck up the situation.

The instances of polygamy where one guy marries a bunch of young ladies and subjugates them are bad, but all polygamy should not be outlawed. People can be in love with more than one person. It's called Polyamory.

*snicker* Now that just sounds funny. But it's true.

here is the problem i have with polygamy

its not set up right

as it exists in mormon fundamental churches it is essentially multiple marriages in that one man is married to several women but they are not married to each other

to spell it out

"john" has 3 wives april, may and june. his is married to each but they are not married to each other. therefore 3 marriages exist. if john dies, the women have no legal relation to each other. nor do they have any legal relationship to each other's children.

for it to be true polygamy there should be ONE marriage where john, april, may and june are all equally married to each other, are co-parents to all the children, co-owners of all marital property, co-inheritors of each others estates. if john dies, april, may and june are still married to each other. if john wants to bring in a 4th wife, augusta, they all have to fully agree and all have to equally marry her. (if june wants to bring in joe, same same)

if one wishes a divorce, they divorce everyone.

anything less is multiple marriages and i feel strongly that a person should be involved in only one marriage at a time.

here is the problem i have with polygamy

its not set up right

as it exists in mormon fundamental churches it is essentially multiple marriages in that one man is married to several women but they are not married to each other

*shrug* Who said anything about Mormons?

to spell it out

"john" has 3 wives april, may and june. his is married to each but they are not married to each other. therefore 3 marriages exist. if john dies, the women have no legal relation to each other. nor do they have any legal relationship to each other's children.

What if john is married to april and may, and may is also married to ben, who's married to her and seirra and june?

for it to be true polygamy there should be ONE marriage where john, april, may and june are all equally married to each other, are co-parents to all the children, co-owners of all marital property, co-inheritors of each others estates. if john dies, april, may and june are still married to each other. if john wants to bring in a 4th wife, augusta, they all have to fully agree and all have to equally marry her. (if june wants to bring in joe, same same)

if one wishes a divorce, they divorce everyone.


Also works, reference Nazz's concepts.

anything less is multiple marriages and i feel strongly that a person should be involved in only one marriage at a time.

Whyzat?

Speaking of Old Man having x>10 wives.

If I were a 15 year old girl, I wouldn't marry a 65 years old man.

I don't want to be fucked with his old, wrinkly, hairy, beat-up, STD-infected penis.

Now that's just gross.

*shrug* Who said anything about Mormons?

just using it as an example we all know about


What if john is married to april and may, and may is also married to ben, who's married to her and seirra and june?


they would all have to marry each other.


Whyzat?

it complicates spousal and child rights.

Speaking of Old Man having x>10 wives.

If I were a 15 year old girl, I wouldn't marry a 65 years old man.

I don't want to be fucked with his old, wrinkly, hairy, beat-up, STD-infected penis.

Now that's just gross.

what makes you think it would be hairy?




just a joke!

it complicates spousal and child rights.

I'd imagine people engaging in polygamy will have prepared for that, and that maybe the legalization of polygamy could go along with an all around uncomplication in the area of marriage, I dunno. >_>;

what makes you think it would be hairy?




just a joke!
My sick minded imagination, caused by watching too much porno that involves an Old Man. :D

(Look at the happy polygamists! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :D )
Six lesbian wives and an Old (lonely) Man.

That's still wrong.

what wrong about that and right about gays marrying?

sounds like a double standard to me

i mean if they love each other then why cant they be happy together?

My sick minded imagination, caused by watching too much porno that involves an Old Man. :D
ewwwww

why did i ask? big big mistake!

Legal recognition of polygamy is near impossible in the United States because of current tax laws.
Ideologically, I have no problem with it, but realistically it just can’t work out.

so do you think you could last in a relationship where you had to share your wife with another man?

Legal recognition of polygamy is near impossible in the United States because of current tax laws.
Ideologically, I have no problem with it, but realistically it just can’t work out.

How do you figure that? *zomgshamelessbump*

Rawr. First thread.

So. I think polygamy should be legal. You hear constantly during gay marriage debates "you have no place to stop them/me from marrying who they/I love"[1]. Where's this sentiment when you love more than one?

[1]Or something to that effect. I could find one for an exact quote, but eh...Too lazy.

So. Dicuss, debate, diga, pero no flaming.


(Look at the happy polygamists! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :D )
First... it's an honor posting in your first thread. I remember my first thread.... *Sniff*

the reason why most people are against it is actually commmon sense.


for women marrying multiple men...
what woman can fake a headache that often without it appearing to be a brain tumor.

for men marrying multiple women...
if a guy can barely satisfy one woman... why piss off two?

:D

First... it's an honor posting in your first thread. I remember my first thread.... *Sniff*

the reason why most people are against it is actually commmon sense.


for women marrying multiple men...
what woman can fake a headache that often without it appearing to be a brain tumor.

for men marrying multiple women...
if a guy can barely satisfy one woman... why piss off two?

:D

:p Well, it certainly wouldn't be the thing for everyone, but I don't see where that warrants being illegal.

:p Well, it certainly wouldn't be the thing for everyone, but I don't see where that warrants being illegal.
because if it was legal... loosers like me won't even have the slim chance we got now. :D

and then theres also theres the whole inbreeding thing. can you imagine you marrying your BF/GF only to find out (s)he's your 1st cousin or a sibling everyone forgot about? :eek:

Polygamy should be legal before gay marriage IMO

Whats wrong with a man that wants to have several women??

Its completely natural.

because if it was legal... loosers like me won't even have the slim chance we got now. :D

Well...Would you still hear "If I didn't have a boyfriend..."?

and then theres also theres the whole inbreeding thing. can you imagine you marrying your BF/GF only to find out (s)he's your 1st cousin or a sibling everyone forgot about? :eek:

Bwah? How are you gonna forget a sibling? Have you been watching too many soap operas?

Six lesbian wives and an Old (lonely) Man.

How could he be lonely? There's six lesbians right next to him!

Bwah? How are you gonna forget a sibling? Have you been watching too many soap operas?I can barely keep track of all my cousins and aunts and uncles. We referre to ourselves as a clan... and when we gather together for things like Christmas parites and such, we need a ballroom to hold that event.

add to that the fact that one has to keep track of the extended families of all thoes other fathers/mothers is difficult.

Polygamy should be legal before gay marriage IMO

Whats wrong with a man that wants to have several women??

Its completely natural.

What's wrong with a person killing someone else? Also perfectly natural...

What's wrong with a person killing someone else? Also perfectly natural...


exactly

[QUOTE=Ashmoria]

for it to be true polygamy there should be ONE marriage where john, april, may and june are all equally married to each other, are co-parents to all the children, co-owners of all marital property, co-inheritors of each others estates. if john dies, april, may and june are still married to each other. if john wants to bring in a 4th wife, augusta, they all have to fully agree and all have to equally marry her. (if june wants to bring in joe, same same)

if one wishes a divorce, they divorce everyone.
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I don't have a problem with this either. The reality is: one marraige with one spouce is hard enough to steer. Can you imagine trying to keep an even keel on multiple spouces? Jealosy, no matter how hard to fight it, will eventually arise. It's hard-wired, although some are slower to it than others. I think such an arrangement would be more trouble than it was worth, personally, but I have no problem with other ppl adopting it.

3. "Multiple wives? Excellent!" says passer-by Catherine Du Point. "Presumably we will allow multiple husbands, as well. And gay marriages, of course. In fact, now is probably the time for the government to butt out of marriage altogether. Let people marry their cats, if they want."
[Accept]

People who are married have a responcibility for each other's legal matters. If John Smith owns a business and is a sole proprietor and Ms. Pauline fractures her hip on the premises, she can name John Smith and all 35 of his wives as co-defendants in her law suit.

The legal work wouldnt be that hard, use coporate law with shareholders for the porperty law. And as a framework for everything else, and change shareholder to spouse. Then you only have to draft up a few pieces from sratch, relating to child custody.

What's wrong with a person killing someone else? Also perfectly natural...

You don't see the difference between polygamy and murder? Let me explain to you why you've committed the fallacy of the questionable/false analogy. To start, two things must be smiliar enough for one thing to be inferred about the latter from the former.

In murder, someone dies. In polygamy, no one dies.

Murder has been illegal in virtually all socities, whereas throughout the history of man polygamy has actually been the norm.

According to human biology and anthropology, we are not monogamous by nature. We are actually polygamous. Strange, but true. The size of our bodies demonstrate that; the only truly monogamous animals in nature have bodies that are equal in size in the male and female.

Society can function well with everyone practicing polygamy, but society can not function well with everyone practicing murder.

Really, I could go on and on.

Really, I could go on and on.
We know.

Really, we know.

Perhaps, instead of legislating marriage, there should be legislation that offers the benefits of marriage. Then people could get married in whatever way they like to whomever they like and just let the government know: person X and person Y agree to have legal relationship Z.

It doesn't sound unworkable to me. As long as all parties are adults and in agreement it sounds ok to me.