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E3 is still truckin' on, but even in this stage of the game it has changed my outlook on many of the new technologies out there.

I was convinced from the begining that I would get a PS3, if only for Final Fantasy and Metal Gear. But I look at the 360, and many of the games that are coming out look outstanding (and the fact that it isn't going to kill my funds doesn't hurt it either). It's a toss-up now for me. Should I wait for the PS3 and play the games that I love? Or should I bite the bullet, get a 360, and play a bunch of games that I'll like?

Well...that's my story. About you...what Next-Gen Console do you intend to get?

PS3 easily.
I'm still thrashing my PS2 (Madden 06 mostly) and I hate Xbox controllers.. Even if the wireless part does kicks ass. So yea, I'll be waiting.

I've invested way too much into my Athlon64 PC to buy an XBOX 360 or PS3 now ... but for me if I were buy a console - game choices. XBOX is ahead in this respect because it was released earlier.

I love FPS games and well PC is the only true way to play. :)

The Wii, hands down.
I am not forking 600 for a stinking PS3

Consoles are teh gay.

PS3 - Backwards compatability being the main reason, technical curiosity being another (I'd love to pull a working cell system apart some day and see what I can make it do... ^^)

PS3, when the next instalment of Gran Turismo comes out.

PS3, when the next instalment of Gran Turismo comes out.
Ahhhh!!! Best game ever! Played them all since GT1.

I think I'll choose one of the newcomers based on flashy adverts ("commercials")* and the feebleminded assumption that better technical specs mean better games. Oh wait, no I won't. I'll go with Nintendo.

* Don't know about elsewhere, but Nintendo Europe have to go for the dictionary any time someone mentions "marketing".

I think I'll choose one of the newcomers based on the feebleminded assumption that better technical specs mean better games. Oh wait, no I won't. I'll go with Nintendo.

In the end that's what it comes down to: what you like to play.

Ahhhh!!! Best game ever! Played them all since GT1.

It's the sole reason I bought the PS, then the PS2.

I'll just buy them all like I did this generation of consoles.

Super Smash Brothers with Kid Icarus. OWNED. Once I found that out, it was over.

The Wii, hands down.
I am not forking 600 for a stinking PS3
$600 for a ps3 plus the game and a second controller...will the hard drive remove the necessity for memory cards?

anyway youll have to pay over $700 to walk out of the store with something you can play. that does seem just a touch outrageous.

the games would have to be so good that it would change my life to play one.

XBOX 360 no doubt, because everyone who loves PS3 claims that it'll kick the XBOX's ass, when the PS3 has another 6-7 months to be developed, and that the 360 also has beautiful graphics, effects, and playability. Playstation controllers are also impossible to hold for a long time, because they're so small, and they break easily when I get mad. My XBOX, and the 360 my friend has have stood the test of anger pretty well. Besides, look at PGR 3 for the 360. You can see heat effects coming off of the cars. Can the PS3 do that with little or no time to spare like the 360 did? I shouldn't think so. And you computer dudes, soon enough your games will dissappear from computers, because software manufacturers have to work endlessly to come up with compatability profiles for almost a million or more different combinations of technology, hardware, and software, whereas consoles are one and done, and its alot easier to fix a bug for a console game than it is for a computer game. Just putting it out there.

...And you computer dudes, soon enough your games will dissappear from computers, because software manufacturers have to work endlessly to come up with compatability profiles for almost a million or more different combinations of technology, hardware, and software, whereas consoles are one and done, and its alot easier to fix a bug for a console game than it is for a computer game. Just putting it out there.

Micro$oft are actually making a loss from XBOX 360 at the moment. The profit comes from the games which means the XBOX games will always be expensive - even if they are obselete.

Micro$oft are actually making a loss from XBOX 360 at the moment. The profit comes from the games which means the XBOX games will always be expensive - even if they are obselete.

I was referring to computer games being obsolete, not console games. Console games are much easier to produce than computer games, because of the incredible complexity inherent in the coding for a computer game. I am aware of Microsoft's financial situation, and I'm aware that the 360 is not actually their money maker.

I was referring to computer games being obsolete, not console games. Console games are much easier to produce than computer games, because of the incredible complexity inherent in the coding for a computer game. I am aware of Microsoft's financial situation, and I'm aware that the 360 is not actually their money maker.

One thing about the XBOX 360 - it will not play some original XBOX games because they changed the video controller from nVidia to ATI (ironically PS3 uses nVidia now).

Pc.

The XBOX 360 was designed to be backwards compatible with only top selling, or Platinum games. Thats the main reason its not backwards compatible with alot of the games for the original XBOX. Imagine if the 360 could play every single old XBOX game. 360 game sales wouldn't be very high, because most people would buy the console thinking that their favourite games would look better, and hey, why not just leave those new games alone for a while. Besides, there aren't that many games for the original XBOX that would be worth playing if you had a 360, and games for the 360 are much better, unless those original XBOX games were playable on the 360, such as Halo 2, or Half Life 2. Besides, emulation for some games, such as Dead or Alive 3 is a little screwey. Things don't always happen the way they used to on the original XBOX, and I don't think Microsoft would have wanted to fix a ton of bugs if all the XBOX games could be played on the 360.

XBOX 360 no doubt, because everyone who loves PS3 claims that it'll kick the XBOX's ass, when the PS3 has another 6-7 months to be developed, and that the 360 also has beautiful graphics, effects, and playability. Playstation controllers are also impossible to hold for a long time, because they're so small, and they break easily when I get mad. My XBOX, and the 360 my friend has have stood the test of anger pretty well. Besides, look at PGR 3 for the 360. You can see heat effects coming off of the cars. Can the PS3 do that with little or no time to spare like the 360 did? I shouldn't think so. And you computer dudes, soon enough your games will dissappear from computers, because software manufacturers have to work endlessly to come up with compatability profiles for almost a million or more different combinations of technology, hardware, and software, whereas consoles are one and done, and its alot easier to fix a bug for a console game than it is for a computer game. Just putting it out there.

Generally...I don't try to get angry at a game. I may yell at the screen, but I rarely (if ever) attack a controller. The only occasion I can think of is with Soul Calibur 3, but that's just because it was programed with "Guilty Gear Boss Syndrome".

And computers...Things will keep truckin' 'till the end of time. I don't see it disapearing any time soon.

Generally...I don't try to get angry at a game. I may yell at the screen, but I rarely (if ever) attack a controller. The only occasion I can think of is with Soul Calibur 3, but that's just because it was programed with "Guilty Gear Boss Syndrome".

And computers...Things will keep truckin' 'till the end of time. I don't see it disapearing any time soon.

I don't try getting angry at games either, but when there's a cheap player in some online game, or there are just alot of unrealistic faults in some game, I tend to get a little miffed. Computers will exist for a long time, yes, but the games will almost completely dissappear, or greatly diminish until there are only around one thousand die-hard gamers. Within the next 10-15 years the move from computers to consoles will probably come to its completion. I can already see the beginning of it now, because alot of my computer gamer friends dropped Counter Strike and Quake and are playing Halo or DOA.

..., and I don't think Microsoft would have wanted to fix a ton of bugs if all the XBOX games could be played on the 360.

Which means the poor folks with all those XBOX games have to get rid of them somehow. If those were PC games, then they would still be usable on a new PC.

Which means the poor folks with all those XBOX games have to get rid of them somehow. If those were PC games, then they would still be usable on a new PC.

If they have XBOX games, they have an XBOX, and they don't necessarily have to get rid of either. And after a long enough time, PC games become unplayable. Look at The Need For Speed from Road & Track, about 10-12 years ago. Can't play it on new computers. You have to get something else. Or how about Destruction Derby 2? I can't play that on my new computers either.

If they have XBOX games, they have an XBOX, and they don't necessarily have to get rid of either. And after a long enough time, PC games become unplayable. Look at The Need For Speed from Road & Track, about 10-12 years ago. Can't play it on new computers. You have to get something else. Or how about Destruction Derby 2? I can't play that on my new computers either.

Not quite. You could probably get away playing those old games on an emulator - we have emulators for most systems on the market.

Not quite. You could probably get away playing those old games on an emulator - we have emulators for most systems on the market.

But for all those who don't want an emulator, or agree with me that emulators don't give the proper feel or control of the original game, it becomes pointless. For games over a certain age, you need the console or PC that it originally was able to be played on.

But for all those who don't want an emulator, or agree with me that emulators don't give the proper feel or control of the original game, it becomes pointless. For games over a certain age, you need the console or PC that it originally was able to be played on.

Emulators work better than you think, and are easier to find as well.

And after a long enough time, PC games become unplayable. Look at The Need For Speed from Road & Track, about 10-12 years ago. Can't play it on new computers. You have to get something else. Or how about Destruction Derby 2? I can't play that on my new computers either.

Not true, Dosbox (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/) emulates DOS programs with perfect accuracy, even on a 64 bit machine. I'd actually argue that it's easier to get games running on than the original MSDOS. The game experience is identical to the original version, too, so the "feel or control" argument is not applicable.

As for console emulators, you can get replica PC control pads for pretty much every system ever built. My gamepad is virtually identical to an original Playstation pad. And I can even play PS1 games with improved visuals due to 3D acceleration.

Computers will exist for a long time, yes, but the games will almost completely dissappear, or greatly diminish until there are only around one thousand die-hard gamers.
What, pray tell, are you talking about? MMORPGs rope in a fortune on the PC Gaming market in a way that consoles simply can't do, and PC FPS games are the definitive standard with the level of control and simplicity of networking. Strategy games simply do not work with console input of any sort (the only exception being Advance Wars, I've found, which won through its virtue of being incredibly straightforward), kids' software will fail inevitably without a PC interface and the enthusiast will always be more capable of modding or even writing from scratch new game-related code that can be tested and executed on the box it was written on.

Very often, the draw of the Personal Computers in games are the keyboard and mouse - serving the role of control and communication both irreplacably well - and the compiler and designer tools. The second either of the two "main" consoles replace PCs in either of these respects to become the top gaming machines is the second they become PCs.

The exception to the rule is, of course, Nintendo. Where Sony are using PS3 to prototype what is essentially a replacement to the personal computer and Microsoft are using their perspective on personal computers to develop a game box, Nintendo are going out of their way to make the explicit distinction of their machine as a fun entertainment device to have when friends call over. That, ultimately, is where the console market will end up. Microsoft and Sony's machines will inevitably be emalgamated into the new PC generation, but I think Nintendo's offerings may resist that.

Nonetheless, I want to play around with a cell processing unit. ^__^

Feh, wanted a multi-choice poll. I'll take teh Wiivolution (PS3 secondarily).

Wii. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Star wars games with lightsaber + Wii's controller = Pwn4ge

i have seen the PS3 videos. i have a 360 w/o a nice HDTV, and the PS# doesnt look much different. and some of those videos are rendered.

i see no problem with the PS3 other than the outrageuos price. christ, no one will use 3/4 of the features on that thing. tell me, will the average person know anything about wi-fi? how bout mem stick slots? or hdmi (?) inputs?

it seems so. . . . . upper class to me. the cheap system, when you at least buy a game, mebbe a second controller, is already over $600.

oh, and i do want a wii. wait for the price.
(or just buy a gamecube for $25.)

Despite the name, I'm getting a wii. Downloadable old nintendo games is cool, but I was suprised with all the games coming out for it. Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 Corruption, and Red Steel look awesome. And Super Smash Bros. Brawl looks great, and it's got Solid Snake.

The PS3 has nothing to sway me. I don't think any of the games look good, and 600 bucks is way to much for me.

The 360 looks good this year, with Bioshock and Halo 3, but it's not my system of choice. Maybe if the price goes down in a few years...

Which means the poor folks with all those XBOX games have to get rid of them somehow. If those were PC games, then they would still be usable on a new PC.
but some may require heavy modification. can you imaging trying to play a DOS game on a WinXP machine?

i have seen the PS3 videos. i have a 360 w/o a nice HDTV, and the PS# doesnt look much different. and some of those videos are rendered.

i see no problem with the PS3 other than the outrageuos price. christ, no one will use 3/4 of the features on that thing. tell me, will the average person know anything about wi-fi? how bout mem stick slots? or hdmi (?) inputs?

it seems so. . . . . upper class to me. the cheap system, when you at least buy a game, mebbe a second controller, is already over $600.

oh, and i do want a wii. wait for the price.
(or just buy a gamecube for $25.)Wifi is getting more popular, as for the mem sticks. look at digital cameras, the PSP, and even some computers use mem sticks or similar (thumbdrives)

I would buy a ps3 but only because it's suppose to be completly backwards compatable with their other games and so I can still use my library of games.

for me, anything else (other than PC) would require me to build a library and to be honest. that would cost more than the PS3.

but some may require heavy modification. can you imaging trying to play a DOS game on a WinXP machine?

i can. easily. DOSBox has already been mentioned. some say its easier than the first time with real DOS.

plus, PCs dont have to wait years to upgrade their graphics. as you will all see, in a few years the PC will eclipse the consoles, only to lead until new ones come out. its a constant cycle.

people talk of PCs dying when every new console comes out. I say, did PCs die when PS2 came out? how bout xbox? they didnt because PCs can always upgrade.

Wifi is getting more popular, as for the mem sticks. look at digital cameras, the PSP, and even some computers use mem sticks or similar (thumbdrives)

I would buy a ps3 but only because it's suppose to be completly backwards compatable with their other games and so I can still use my library of games.

for me, anything else (other than PC) would require me to build a library and to be honest. that would cost more than the PS3.

why buy a new console to play your games that will look exactly the same?

and who will use a digital camera in coordination with a PS3?

i can. easily. DOSBox has already been mentioned. some say its easier than the first time with real DOS.

plus, PCs dont have to wait years to upgrade their graphics. as you will all see, in a few years the PC will eclipse the consoles, only to lead until new ones come out. its a constant cycle.

people talk of PCs dying when every new console comes out. I say, did PCs die when PS2 came out? how bout xbox? they didnt because PCs can always upgrade.
well, I agree.. PC's won't die because of the Consoles.

but try this, find the game Mechwarrior... it's a dos game. and try play it on the XP without changing the timing speed.

fastest dam mechs you'll ever see :D and I played it on a win 98 machine...

why buy a new console to play your games that will look exactly the same?

and who will use a digital camera in coordination with a PS3?
because the new games for the system will make use of the greater abilities.

and my comment about digital cameras was for your comment about the memory sticks. it was to show that memory sticks are around and in wide use, so by using memory sticks (probably smaller in size but bigger in capacity) one can take saved games to another ps3 and play there. while the alternative is to take the whole hard drive with you.

(Don't know really, but does the Xbox have portable memory storage devices? I know they have a hard drive...)

360 all the way baby. I don't know what it is but I just have a deep grudge against Playstation. I mean don't get me wrong, if someone bought me one for my birthday of something I'd welcome it with open arms, but I wouldn't buy it. But I already have a 360, so I doubt anyone will get me anything else (I even had to get this one myself anyway. Damn cheapskate parents lol).

But yeah, one of the things that really puts me off the ps3 is the bloody boomerang controllers! What the hell is up with those?! What, are you going to go hunt some kangaroos while you wait for your game to load?! Sorry...

And the 360 is just so smooth, and come on people, Halo 3, KotOR 3, Oblivion - the list goes on and on and on and... well you get the point I trust. And besides which, Halo 2! What more could you ask for in an FPS?

And as for the Nintendo... well... Wii? What the hell man?

3But yeah, one of the things that really puts me off the ps3 is the bloody boomerang controllers! What the hell is up with those?! What, are you going to go hunt some kangaroos while you wait for your game to load?! Sorry...

A bit out of date maybe? http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/708/708353/vids_1.html

And as for the Nintendo... well... Wii? What the hell man?

I can 't imagine a name is enough to make you not buy a console. Geez, call it the Rev, or just Nintendo if you really can't get over the word Wii.

I can 't imagine a name is enough to make you not buy a console. Geez, call it the Rev, or just Nintendo if you really can't get over the word Wii.
http://www.gucomics.com/comics/gu_20060502.jpg
why did they change the name?

and WTF is Wii?

A bit out of date maybe? http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/708/708353/vids_1.html

Vid didn't work, but presumably it was someone saying they've changed the controller design? To something more like the ps2? If so then that's nearly as bad - I get cramp in my ahnds from holding it because it's too small :( But even so I jsut don't think the game selection will be as good. Which is a better, but more dull reason :D



I can 't imagine a name is enough to make you not buy a console. Geez, call it the Rev, or just Nintendo if you really can't get over the word Wii.

Again that was the mroe exciting reason - I jsut don't think Nintendo games are all that. Zelda... Mario... bleh - gimme Oblivion or Halo or KotOR or something. And come on you have to admit the name is compeltely ridiculous :D

The last console system I owned as a SNES.

I like my computer. I'd rather spend a couple grand on a new computer every couple years, and be able to play games and do other stuff, than get a console system again.

why did they change the name?

and WTF is Wii?

If only there were some way of finding out. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#Name)

Also, it might mean something in Japanese.

Again that was the mroe exciting reason - I jsut don't think Nintendo games are all that. Zelda... Mario... bleh - gimme Oblivion or Halo or KotOR or something. And come on you have to admit the name is compeltely ridiculous :D

When's the last time you played a "Zelda... Mario... bleh" game anyways? And if you're just getting off on FPS, try Metroid. Or some other things, I dunno, read up on what people with experience think. http://revolution.ign.com/

When's the last time you played a "Zelda... Mario... bleh" game anyways? And if you're just getting off on FPS, try Metroid. Or some other things, I dunno, read up on what people with experience think. http://revolution.ign.com/

Zelda? A couple of weeks ago actually - my friend is a Zelda fanatic and got me to play... Madjuras Mask and Ocarina of Time I think. They're playable I guess, but not really my style. And come on who hasn't played Mario games? Super Smash Bros is pretty cool admitedly, but again not quite my cup of tea.

Although Metroid does look pretty cool.

The Wii (what were they thinking?) is looking the best bet right now. It should be the cheapest, and looking at the latest technical specs, have the best graphics. The PS3, when it eventually arrives, looks to be overpriced and underpowered. They screwed up on the memory interface for the GPU so itl only be around as good as a top spec PC from a year or so ago. XBox has the same problem but its already out at least.

The cell chip looks ace, assuming they ever actually manage to make a working one, but you could put 100 in and it wouldnt make a difference to the graphics chip or memory bandwidth. what do they need all that processing power for anyway? The SETI project perhaps?

If I were to get a console I would favour the nintendo (Im not a fanboy, I prefered the megadrive in its day), but Il probly just stick with the PC. Jack of all trades, master of all except Gran Turismo. And Timesplitters 2. I love that game.

Also, it might mean something in Japanese.

It doesn't.

well, I agree.. PC's won't die because of the Consoles.

but try this, find the game Mechwarrior... it's a dos game. and try play it on the XP without changing the timing speed.

fastest dam mechs you'll ever see and I played it on a win 98 machine...

Yes, that's why you use Dosbox (or another emulator, but i'm not aware of any others for XP), which has an inbuilt feature with which to adjust the emulation speed. Those types of programs have been around since Windows 95, even if dosbox itself hasn't. The amount of hassle required to get old games running is now pretty insignificant, IMHO, provided that you're at least slightly computer literate.

And even if you don't want to do that, there's a workaround - if you use certain sound drivers (eg. choose "PC speaker" in the game setup utility), they automatically sync your CPU with the game music - making the game run at normal speed.

All this stuff about old games not being able to run on new PCs is blatantly untrue...

Wiiiiiiiiii, and possibly the PS3 if they remake FFVII. Hopefully it will have gone down in price by then.

Computer ... most of the games that I love would blow on a console

It doesn't.



Yes, that's why you use Dosbox (or another emulator, but i'm not aware of any others for XP), which has an inbuilt feature with which to adjust the emulation speed. Those types of programs have been around since Windows 95, even if dosbox itself hasn't. The amount of hassle required to get old games running is now pretty insignificant, IMHO, provided that you're at least slightly computer literate.

And even if you don't want to do that, there's a workaround - if you use certain sound drivers (eg. choose "PC speaker" in the game setup utility), they automatically sync your CPU with the game music - making the game run at normal speed.

All this stuff about old games not being able to run on new PCs is blantantly untrue...


There are ALWAYS ways... thats the beauty of using a general purpose powerfull machine as a gaming machie ... you aint stuck with what manufacture sticks you with

You have massive amounts of power to develop and change things to your specs

I'm for the PS3. XBox racing games don't do it for me. Forza looked good, and it played okay. If I had played it more I probably would have gotten into it, it seemed like a solid racer. I just didn't play it enough to know. It wasn't enough to make me want the XBox. PS 3 has the other racing games and some non racing games that I dig. And most the games come out on all systems so I'm mostly covered, so as long as I have Gran Turismo I'm happy. (though that's not perfect, it's pretty good.)

PS3 - Backwards compatability being the main reason, technical curiosity being another (I'd love to pull a working cell system apart some day and see what I can make it do... ^^)

Amen, brother. Backwards compatibility rocks my socks.

The Sega Saturn and Dreamcast ruled... I wish Sega had a system this time around, so I could buy it, love it, and not be able to buy new games for it a year later.

Wii, then 360.
While the PS3 does look impressive, none of the games looked interesting. That's where it boils down to. Games. That's why I picked the Wii. It's got Mario:) , Zelda:D , Metroid:D :D , and Super Smash Bros. Brawl, featuring Solid Snake:eek: :D :D :D . The 360 does have Halo 3 and Call of Duty 2. Woo!!!!:p

Ahhhh!!! Best game ever! Played them all since GT1.
Burnout series is better. :\ They REALLY could improve that series just by adding car damage and allowing all cars in races.