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...my ass.

As a young man I wasn't ever aware that I had any power. We were always reminded of the virtues of age, equated with wisdom. Unfortunately I have met as many old idiots as young ones. Yet everyone knows that the old guys are the ones with the real power. Younglings are rounded up and marched into battle like meat byproducts.

Is there any power in youth? Or is it just some optimist good-ol-days bullshit invented by some old uberfuhrer in his rose-tinted view of his youth?

I'm having a grad student angst day.

Why should the youth have power? Youth are idiots. Just yesterday some punk kid was travelling 100Km/h in a school zone.

Why should the youth have power? Youth are idiots. Just yesterday some punk kid was travelling 100Km/h in a school zone.

And I suppose the actions of this wayward youth resulted in the systematic death of millions? What's your point? It's not an anecdotal dickfight. :rolleyes:

And I suppose the actions of this wayward youth resulted in the systematic death of millions? What's your point? It's not an anecdotal dickfight. :rolleyes:

The point is that the vast majority of youth are irresponsible.


The systematic death of millions only happens when a country
full of idiots elect another idiot as their leader. :rolleyes:

...my ass.

Everyone knows that the old guys are the ones with the real power. Younglings are rounded up and marched into battle like meat byproducts.

Is there any power in youth? Or is it just some optimist good-ol-days bullshit by some old uberfuhrer in his rose-tinted world?

I'm having a grad student angst day.
Take that and rephrase that so I can read it. I'm a "youth" as you would call it and I still don't understand it. I can't tell if you have a problem with the youth or your sticking up for us. Can you make it to where I can understand it so I can either yell at you or agree with you please?

The point is that the vast majority of youth are irresponsible.


The systematic death of millions only happens when a country
full of idiots elect another idiot as their leader. :rolleyes:

Amazing, the entire NS General community seem to let this statement, with two easily refuted bombs, slip through unqualified.

The point is that the vast majority of youth are irresponsible.


The systematic death of millions only happens when a country
full of idiots elect another idiot as their leader. :rolleyes:
Wel, you little snot-nosed puke face, did we rip a hole in the ozone layer? Did we promote cigarettes? Did we start wars? I don't think so. It was all adults who did that. YOU guys are irresponsible. And you don't even take responsibilty for that!

Why should the youth have power? Youth are idiots. Just yesterday some punk kid was travelling 100Km/h in a school zone.
Same to you moron.

My youth powered off some time ago.

Take that and rephrase that so I can read it. I'm a "youth" as you would call it and I still don't understand it. I can't tell if you have a problem with the youth or your sticking up for us. Can you make it to where I can understand it so I can either yell at you or agree with you please?

I edited my original post to clarify this.

Yes I am sticking up for youth, although my youth is fast running away.;)

Amazing, the entire NS General community seem to let this statement, with two easily refuted bombs, slip through unqualified.

In my experience the vast majority of youth are irresponsible and idiotic. They don't care about economic management, foreign relations or ethics. They just want the government to do what's best for them. This is my observation, not absolute truth, so you can't really tell me I'm wrong on this issue.

As for the death of millions of innocent people, either it's an idiot in power, in which case it's the peoples fault for electing him, or it's a dictator in power, in which case people can revolt, or it's necessary, in which case people shouldn't be bitching about it. Only three options. he people are to blame for the first two, people shouldn't complain about the third.

Same to you moron.
Exactly. As a youth I recognise that I don't have the experience to wield power responsibly.

Wel, you little snot-nosed puke face, did we rip a hole in the ozone layer? Did we promote cigarettes? Did we start wars? I don't think so. It was all adults who did that. YOU guys are irresponsible. And you don't even take responsibilty for that!

It was the young people that volunteered to fight in the wars, it was young people that bought products that destroyed the ozone layer and it is young people that make the decision to smoke despite overwhelming evidence against it. They share as much blame as anyone else for our problems, and the sooner they take responsibility for their actions the better off we will be because someday they will be the adults that make the decisions that affect the future.

The only reason why we have many of the problems in the world today is because each generation prefers to dump its problems on the one that follows it rather than address it themselves. The problems that have been fixed were only so because a few people decided to break the mold and change things, and if all of the young people really tried to do that our potential would be limitless in scope and vision.

Wel, you little snot-nosed puke face, did we rip a hole in the ozone layer? Did we promote cigarettes? Did we start wars? I don't think so. It was all adults who did that. YOU guys are irresponsible. And you don't even take responsibilty for that!

I'm not an adult you fool! I'm not saying that adults are good at what they do. I'm just saying that giving youth power will only make the world worse.

In my experience the vast majority of youth are irresponsible and idiotic. They don't care about economic management, foreign relations or ethics. They just want the government to do what's best for them. This is my observation, not absolute truth, so you can't really tell me I'm wrong on this issue.

As for the death of millions of innocent people, either it's an idiot in power, in which case it's the peoples fault for electing him, or it's a dictator in power, in which case people can revolt, or it's necessary, in which case people shouldn't be bitching about it. Only three options. he people are to blame for the first two, people shouldn't complain about the third.
Well, my simple minded friend, is that we are 16 and below. We don't give a hoot what Libya does. As a matter of fact, if there where less people like Bush there wouldnt need to be a UN. So while this kid may not know as much as you I still know a lot. For example, I know that communism isn't any better than a free enterprise. See, I know more than the average kid. North Korea isn't all that bad next to basic Commie-Military dictatorship. So befor you go calling any kid unresponsible or idiotic remember this: If we could vote, there would be no need for rules.

*snip* As for the death of millions of innocent people, either it's an idiot in power, in which case it's the peoples fault for electing him, or it's a dictator in power, in which case people can revolt, or it's necessary, in which case people shouldn't be bitching about it. Only three options. he people are to blame for the first two, people shouldn't complain about the third.

So death of millions can be a necessity? For the greater good of the Motherland eh? :) Three bombs in a row.

Generally speaking (but by no means always) age has its compensations (wisdom and power) and youth has its (beauty, boundless energy, and idealism). But no matter where you fall on the timeline, life is never fair and you are always denied something you badly want.

'Kay, there's this guy who's now an MP in the (Canadian) Federal Government, name of Tony Clement. I'm watching the Mercer Report a year or two ago, and they flash a Highschool Yearbook page of photos, zooming in on Clement.

I couldn't believe it - it was my Highschool's Yearbook - and I recognized all the people surrounding Clement. That's when I really began to remember that guy. He was the same age as me, but he'd become a career politician - and that was a frightening prospect, as he'd been one of the worst knee-jerk reactionary social conservative repeater boxes in our Sociology class. That stuck out in my memory.

But I looked at this dude on the television, this guy I'd gone to school with. He looked 46, not 36. 46... going on 76. And that's the other thing that frightened me - it certainly frightened me at the time, in school anyway - this guy had always thought like, behaved like, and even looked like (or emulated, certainly) a middle-aged man. A humourless middle-aged man, bereft of what you might call personality.

What I'm getting at is, those old motherfuckers who always run the show (wherever you are) hand-pick their protegés and the next crop of willing cronies - and the young(ish) ones who make it are invariably the prematurely middle-aged. In other words, they'll always keep us down 'cause it ain't really about the age so much as it is about the keeping us down while managing to come off as somehow wielding or even possessing some form of authority or influence over others.

I'm not an adult you fool! I'm not saying that adults are good at what they do. I'm just saying that giving youth power will only make the world worse.
We don't know how to do any of the things adults do! We don't know how to make child pornograghy. Or pollute the envirement. Or start wars. We wouldn'teven know where to begin!

It was the young people that volunteered to fight in the wars, it was young people that bought products that destroyed the ozone layer and it is young people that make the decision to smoke despite overwhelming evidence against it. They share as much blame as anyone else for our problems, and the sooner they take responsibility for their actions the better off we will be because someday they will be the adults that make the decisions that affect the future.

The only reason why we have many of the problems in the world today is because each generation prefers to dump its problems on the one that follows it rather than address it themselves. The problems that have been fixed were only so because a few people decided to break the mold and change things, and if all of the young people really tried to do that our potential would be limitless in scope and vision.

So do you think the young are all fools? I thought this is a thread lamenting the lack of power in youth.

'Kay, there's this guy who's now an MP in the (Canadian) Federal Government, name of Tony Clement. I'm watching the Mercer Report a year or two ago, and they flash a Highschool Yearbook page of photos, zooming in on Clement.

I couldn't believe it - it was my Highschool's Yearbook - and I recognized all the people surrounding Clement. That's when I really began to remember that guy. He was the same age as me, but he'd become a career politician - and that was a frightening prospect, as he'd been one of the worst knee-jerk reactionary social conservative repeater boxes in our Sociology class. That stuck out in my memory.

But I looked at this dude on the television, this guy I'd gone to school with. He looked 46, not 36. 46... going on 76. And that's the other thing that frightened me - it certainly frightened me at the time, in school anyway - this guy had always thought like, behaved like, and even looked like (or emulated, certainly) a middle-aged man. A humourless middle-aged man, bereft of what you might call personality.

What I'm getting at is, those old motherfuckers who always run the show (wherever you are) hand-pick their protegés and the next crop of willing cronies - and the young(ish) ones who make it are invariably the prematurely middle-aged. In other words, they'll always keep us down 'cause it ain't really about the age so much as it is about the keeping us down while managing to come off as somehow wielding or even possessing some form of authority or influence over others.

Yes. I agree. *sigh* It is the powerful who become powerful. Even as kids they were grumpy old men.

Well, my simple minded friend, is that we are 16 and below. We don't give a hoot what Libya does. As a matter of fact, if there where less people like Bush there wouldnt need to be a UN.

This is extremely naive. Now I realise that the UN does very little, but it's not because of people like bush that we need it. Perhaps the more intelligent, more ambitious leaders also need to be kept in line?


So befor you go calling any kid unresponsible or idiotic remember this: If we could vote, there would be no need for rules.


What the hell is that supposed to mean?

So death of millions can be a necessity? For the greater good of the Motherland eh? :) Three bombs in a row.

Yes. It can be necessary.

So do you think the young are all fools? I thought this is a thread lamenting the lack of power in youth.

I think the youth is some of the greatest untapped potential in the world. History has shown that many of our greatest technological, social, and political revolutions were led by young people not afraid to break from the traditions of their ancestors and embrace something new. That optimism about change has brought us more benefits and more progress than 10,000 years of tradition.

Unfortunately, what I see now are more and more young people not willing to take risks, to bask instead in what is easy or comfortable. That embrace of mediocrity is going to cost us both now and in the future, and that will just perpetuate the problems of the past and reduce our push in to the future.

There's no special magic to youth and neither should they be given any perticular power. I'm sick of this nosalgic wankfest of our youth. It's over, stop playing "Forever Young", you never skated that well anyway.

It was the young people that volunteered to fight in the wars, it was young people that bought products that destroyed the ozone layer and it is young people that make the decision to smoke despite overwhelming evidence against it. They share as much blame as anyone else for our problems, and the sooner they take responsibility for their actions the better off we will be because someday they will be the adults that make the decisions that affect the future.

The only reason why we have many of the problems in the world today is because each generation prefers to dump its problems on the one that follows it rather than address it themselves. The problems that have been fixed were only so because a few people decided to break the mold and change things, and if all of the young people really tried to do that our potential would be limitless in scope and vision.
You think we volunteer? It's called a draft buddy-boy. Don't do what the draft says and you go to jail. Adults made sure that we did what they wanted. It was adults who made cigarettes for kids to smoke. They promote that nothing is wrong with smoking. Kids as young as six smoke because of it. As a matter of fact I hereby promote my presedentcy. Oh, wait.Gotta be thirty five for that. See adults made sure that the world would only change within there grasp. Put a kid in charge and we would restore the world. You guys had you try at it, now it's our turn!

We don't know how to do any of the things adults do! We don't know how to make child pornograghy. Or pollute the envirement. Or start wars. We wouldn'teven know where to begin!

Which is what makes you idiotic. :rolleyes:

Take the bad with the good. You may not know how to start wars, but you also wouldn't know how to manage an economy. Or a legal system. And perhaps it is occasionally necessary to start a war.:rolleyes:

This is extremely naive. Now I realise that the UN does very little, but it's not because of people like bush that we need it. Perhaps the more intelligent, more ambitious leaders also need to be kept in line?





What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Kids would be better at ruling the world than an adult. We would give the people what the people need. You can't bribe a kid with money and we're not dumb enough to take anything else.

You think we volunteer? It's called a draft buddy-boy. Don't do what the draft says and you go to jail. Adults made sure that we did what they wanted. It was adults who made cigarettes for kids to smoke. They promote that nothing is wrong with smoking. Kids as young as six smoke because of it. As a matter of fact I hereby promote my presedentcy. Oh, wait.Gotta be thirty five for that. See adults made sure that the world would only change within there grasp. Put a kid in charge and we would restore the world. You guys had you try at it, now it's our turn!

Many young people willingly volunteered to fight in wars throughout human history, and many of them fought for causes that were wrong. There are young people working for cigarette companies, and young people growing and processing the tobacco; the only person to blame for smoking is the one who does it. The information is freely available, but if you're not willing to inform yourself you are the only one to blame when things go wrong.

Even as kids they were grumpy old men.
My point exactly. And I don't feel (or look) 36, either.

Chills me to the bone, it does.

Kids would be better at ruling the world than an adult. We would give the people what the people need. You can't bribe a kid with money and we're not dumb enough to take anything else.

Are you stupid? No, I forgot, YOU'RE A KID. Ever heard of the economic problem? Limited resources, unlimited wants. You have to make decisions regarding who gets what they want and who doesn't.

Which is what makes you idiotic. :rolleyes:

Take the bad with the good. You may not know how to start wars, but you also wouldn't know how to manage an economy. Or a legal system. And perhaps it is occasionally necessary to start a war.:rolleyes:
If kids ruled, then there wouldn't be any wars. And not knowing how to make child pornograghy or pollute the envirement makes us idiotic? We would juat replace the current economic and justice systems with a better one. One that's not corrupt or treacherous. If kids ruled the world wouldn't be so screwy. You could take a drink of water without a 3rd arm growing.

I think the youth is some of the greatest untapped potential in the world. History has shown that many of our greatest technological, social, and political revolutions were led by young people not afraid to break from the traditions of their ancestors and embrace something new. That optimism about change has brought us more benefits and more progress than 10,000 years of tradition.

Unfortunately, what I see now are more and more young people not willing to take risks, to bask instead in what is easy or comfortable. That embrace of mediocrity is going to cost us both now and in the future, and that will just perpetuate the problems of the past and reduce our push in to the future.

It is easy to blame kids for this regulative paperwork hell that we live in now huh? Maybe the few kids who are willing to take risks are now doing time, and the rest are in no hurry to die. In no hurry to grow up and play the political music-chairs game with their Overlords.

Are you stupid? No, I forgot, YOU'RE A KID. Ever heard of the economic problem? Limited resources, unlimited wants. You have to make decisions regarding who gets what they want and who doesn't.
So me being a kid makes me stupid? Think about it. If a kid was in charge people would be saying an ecomnomic what? We're better at doing everything than any adult, just give us a little practice. But adults treat us like slaves so we don't get that practice. We should rule because thats what would be best for the world. There would still be all the species of animals wwe started with if we ruled from the begining.

If kids ruled, then there wouldn't be any wars. And not knowing how to make child pornograghy or pollute the envirement makes us idiotic? We would juat replace the current economic and justice systems with a better one. One that's not corrupt or treacherous. If kids ruled the world wouldn't be so screwy. You could take a drink of water without a 3rd arm growing.

In order to replace the current economic system with a 'better' one, you would have to do lots and lots of study. By the time you had finished your study you would be an adult.:rolleyes:

So me being a kid makes me stupid? Think about it. If a kid was in charge people would be saying an ecomnomic what? We're better at doing everything than any adult, just give us a little practice. But adults treat us like slaves so we don't get that practice.

Ok. Lets pose a hypothetical situation. All adults are gone. They just vanish. You have to manage the world. What do you do.

Ok. Lets pose a hypothetical situation. All adults are gone. They just vanish. You have to manage the world. What do you do.
Simple. First, you gather all nearby locals and set up a chain of command until we find more kids. Then we make shelters. Next we gather food and water and the occasoinal soda.:) Then we form a goverment. Then we go from there.

It is easy to blame kids for this regulative paperwork hell that we live in now huh? Maybe the few kids who are willing to take risks are now doing time, and the rest are in no hurry to die. In no hurry to grow up and play the political music-chairs game with their Overlords.

Well, you know the saying: "Evil thrives when good men do nothing".

If society is commiting acts that are wrong, and you can correct them, fear of punishment or retribution is no excuse for not taking action. Backing down from doing the right thing because you're afraid of the ramifications is nothing more than cowardice and a disservice to those in the past who suffered and even died for what they felt was right.

All of the revolutionaries who rose up against tyranny or who stopped corrupt regimes from pillaging their people or risked their lives for freedom of information are all disserviced when their modern counterparts decay in to mediocrity because they don't want to be exposed to things that are tiring or difficult.

Simple. First, you gather all nearby locals and set up a chain of command until we find more kids. Then we make shelters. Next we gather food and water and the occasoinal soda.:) Then we form a goverment. Then we go from there.
Not done. After all that, we get to the radio station and send a wide band brodcast for all kids within the stations radiowaves to hear. They all meet and the landmark suggested and then we decide who does what. Entertainment? Music is always good. Why do you think we have band in school? Ah... the good old days of NO ADULTS!

Simple. First, you gather all nearby locals and set up a chain of command until we find more kids. Then we make shelters. Next we gather food and water and the occasoinal soda.:) Then we form a goverment. Then we go from there.

Well you need some form of production don't you? How are people going to exchange goods and services. Money? How are you going to feed and cloth people? Someone has to pick berries. Someone has to kill a cow. Someone has to sew some fabric together.:confused:

Well you need some form of production don't you? How are people going to exchange goods and services. Money? How are you going to feed and cloth people? Someone has to pick berries. Someone has to kill a cow. Someone has to sew some fabric together.:confused:
Money? Bah! Who needs money?!? It's called the trading card game. You trade until both parties are happy with the trade. Bartering it's called. Manfacturing? Kids are smarter than you think. We would wash clothes. And when we grow we would simply exchange clothes. It's called recycling, something adults have failed to grasp even tho8ugh they advertise it.

Even though I would be consetered a youth (as you can see from my spelling :p ) I do believe that with an adult government you can benefit.
Children do need to learn about the current economy and cannot do it in a short time.
Children do not know how to manufacture or program almost anything.
Science would be at a stand still.
Most probably there would be no progressing, if that.
I would not want to live in a world ruled by the youth even though I am in the youth.

Have you ever heard of the book "Lord of the flies"
And do you know how radio attenas and waves work

Well you need some form of production don't you? How are people going to exchange goods and services. Money? How are you going to feed and cloth people? Someone has to pick berries. Someone has to kill a cow. Someone has to sew some fabric together.:confused:
Why kill a cow? Eat mor chikin'! Any idiot can farm. I mean adults can do it. And that's if you can call it farming... they poisen most of it with pesticides.

Not done. After all that, we get to the radio station and send a wide band brodcast for all kids within the stations radiowaves to hear. They all meet and the landmark suggested and then we decide who does what. Entertainment? Music is always good. Why do you think we have band in school? Ah... the good old days of NO ADULTS!

That sounds nice, but adults will win in the end.

You see, inserted into the genetic coding of every kid is a trigger. When your body hits about 14 years of age, BAM! Hormone production begins, and you begin to change. Voices deepen, body parts lengthen and shrink, and soon you will have been changed forever. You will be an adult, one of us.

Mu-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Money? Bah! Who needs money?!? It's called the trading card game. You trade until both parties are happy with the trade. Bartering it's called. Manfacturing? Kids are smarter than you think. We would wash clothes. And when we grow we would simply exchange clothes. It's called recycling, something adults have failed to grasp even tho8ugh they advertise it.

No money eh? Ok. I have a shirt. I'm willing to trade my shirt for some food. I go around to all food markets that you have, but nobody seems to want a shirt. I can only trade my shirt. I need everything else I have. So I can't eat. This starts happening to other people with food and clothes. So what do you do? People are hungry and cold because everybody needs the stuff they have.

Even though I would be consetered a youth (as you can see from my spelling :p ) I do believe that with an adult government you can benefit.
Children do need to learn about the current economy and cannot do it in a short time.
Children do not know how to manufacture or program almost anything.
Science would be at a stand still.
Most probably there would be no progressing, if that.
I would not want to live in a world ruled by the youth even though I am in the youth.

Have you ever heard of the book "Lord of the flies"
And do you know how radio attenas and waves work
Your just scared to rise up and overthrow the morons that are incharge today. Morons in moron out. Thats how its working. Now when a kid gets in power however. Things are going to change when that happens.

Even though I would be consetered a youth (as you can see from my spelling :p ) I do believe that with an adult government you can benefit.
Children do need to learn about the current economy and cannot do it in a short time.
Children do not know how to manufacture or program almost anything.
Science would be at a stand still.
Most probably there would be no progressing, if that.
I would not want to live in a world ruled by the youth even though I am in the youth.

Have you ever heard of the book "Lord of the flies"
And do you know how radio attenas and waves work
Ya. As a matter of fact I happen to know that a radio wave is the size of a building. And then waves just keep getting smaller until you hit gamma waves.

Why kill a cow? Eat mor chikin'! Any idiot can farm. I mean adults can do it. And that's if you can call it farming... they poisen most of it with pesticides.

So everyone's going to have to farm their own chickens then?

So everyone's going to have to farm their own chickens then?
Actual that was a joke. Anyone can farm. Kids can do it right.

What happens when the insects come to eat your food?

What happens when the insects come to eat your food?
Well, indians got around that didn't they? Heck, even Brazil is getting around that. It's not hard to farm. I know, I live on one! Duhduhdeeduh!

No money eh? Ok. I have a shirt. I'm willing to trade my shirt for some food. I go around to all food markets that you have, but nobody seems to want a shirt. I can only trade my shirt. I need everything else I have. So I can't eat. This starts happening to other people with food and clothes. So what do you do? People are hungry and cold because everybody needs the stuff they have.

Answer the question.

Let's jump to legal system shall we.
There will be crime, as evident by gangs etc.
What will be the law. Same? More punishment? Less?

Look, adults have had there time to screw up the world. Now it's the kids time to save it! Screw whatever the constitution says! I'm going to run for President in the next election! Look for the 13 year old in the news!

Let's jump to legal system shall we.
There will be crime, as evident by gangs etc.
What will be the law. Same? More punishment? Less?
It will fit the crime. For example: If you steal a pot that took 3 days to make then you will be put to work for 6 days. You pay double.

Look, adults have had there time to screw up the world. Now it's the kids time to save it! Screw whatever the constitution says! I'm going to run for President in the next election! Look for the 13 year old in the news!

Look, why don't you take an economics class or something. You seem to think that abolishing money would be a good idea. You clearly have some learning to do.

Also, gangs appear becuase of incompetent parents. As a matter of fact I think of gangs as freedom fighters. fight the power!

Look, why don't you take an economics class or something. You seem to think that abolishing money would be a good idea. You clearly have some learning to do.
Well, paper money is worthless as it would be intrusting the goverment to pay you in coins. Dollars arent worth anything as they are not the currency. The Coin money is the actual currency. The dollar is the symbol of trust to the goverment to give you 4 quaters or whatever you want it to be for that. Paper money is simply lighter.

See, as I said. Kids arent stupid.

As far as I can tell you might as well be using monopoly money for paper assets.

It will fit the crime. For example: If you steal a pot that took 3 days to make then you will be put to work for 6 days. You pay double.

What about when people start to get hungry because you've abolished money. You aren't giving them money for their contribution to the work force, so they have to trade what they produce. But if nobody wants what they produce, they resort to crime to feed themselves. So people start getting angry because they are hungry and lots of people leave your society to make a new one with money in it. The new society is better than yours. People aren't hungry, people cooperate because they need money. More people move to the new society. You have a very small population because your economic management sucks. Nobody can support themselves because humanity relies on each other too much and there aren't enough people to farm, sew, etc. So your system is down the shitter. Well done. You've destroyed your society by removing money from it.

Life lessons?
Learnt in a year.
Sex?
As soon as you can start.
Democracy?
No because kids love mainstream.
Thought?
No because ruler will know "everything"
Progress?
No because one man cannot make progress

Ive got to go to bed as I have to go somewhere tomorrow. Telegram me so I can further explain why kids should rule.

Well, paper money is worthless as it would be intrusting the goverment to pay you in coins. Dollars arent worth anything as they are not the currency. The Coin money is the actual currency. The dollar is the symbol of trust to the goverment to give you 4 quaters or whatever you want it to be for that. Paper money is simply lighter.

That made absolutely no sense. A little clarification please.

Yes. It can be necessary.

No, the death of millions is not a necessity. And should never be. This is not a kid vs grumpy old men issue. No leader short of a bloodthirsty dictator would advocate death of millions as a need.

What about when people start to get hungry because you've abolished money. You aren't giving them money for their contribution to the work force, so they have to trade what they produce. But if nobody wants what they produce, they resort to crime to feed themselves. So people start getting angry because they are hungry and lots of people leave your society to make a new one with money in it. The new society is better than yours. People aren't hungry, people cooperate because they need money. More people move to the new society. You have a very small population because your economic management sucks. Nobody can support themselves because humanity relies on each other too much and there aren't enough people to farm, sew, etc. So your system is down the shitter. Well done. You've destroyed your society by removing money from it.
Egyptions:Conquared
Romans:Collapsed
Greeks:Collapsed

Non of these had famine or poverty. There leaders were highly uneducated. Yet they all lasted thousands of years without money! Duh!:D

That made absolutely no sense. A little clarification please.
Paper money is worthless. the Coins are the real currency. the paper money is the symbol for the coins.

There is no such thing as a life lesson

"Any lesson that can be learnt in a life is not a life lesson, as they will soon be forgotten."- Ancient chinese proverb

My point exactly. And I don't feel (or look) 36, either.

Chills me to the bone, it does.

Perhaps my point in this thread is my observation that the youthful, idealistic at heart will always lose out in the end to the bureaucratic, money-grabbing power-hungry ubermeisters. They know that at the end, only power matters, and they were never youth in mind or spirit. And to the chagrin of the hoodwinked youth like myself, they do win. All the time.

No, the death of millions is not a necessity. And should never be. This is not a kid vs grumpy old men issue. No leader short of a bloodthirsty dictator would advocate death of millions as a need.

So what if a bloodythirsty dictator decided he wanted to expand his territory. Starts invading your country. Then what. Let him walk over you? No. You set up a front line and stick soldiers on it. You bomb their military bases and fight. You tell them to stop. The dictator is very ambitious so he continues to bomb your country into the ground. And so you say: "Fuck off, or I'll nuke your arse." And if he continues, you nuke his capitol city. You nuke his second largest city. And so he stops because his military is now a piece of crap. And nobody will fuck with you again.

I meant more in the place of morals and ethics.

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Non of these had famine or poverty. There leaders were highly uneducated. Yet they all lasted thousands of years without money! Duh!:D

With a very low standard of living compared to western cultures.:rolleyes:

Paper money is worthless. the Coins are the real currency. the paper money is the symbol for the coins.

No. But what was your point.

Wel, you little snot-nosed puke face, did we rip a hole in the ozone layer? Did we promote cigarettes? Did we start wars? I don't think so. It was all adults who did that. YOU guys are irresponsible. And you don't even take responsibilty for that!
Fair enough. As a 16yr old, I'm growing up in a pretty fucked up world really. Can that be blamed on youth? Probably not. Therefore we don't have much power do we. The people with th power are making stupid decisions and fucking it up for future generations.

Well, you know the saying: "Evil thrives when good men do nothing".

If society is commiting acts that are wrong, and you can correct them, fear of punishment or retribution is no excuse for not taking action. Backing down from doing the right thing because you're afraid of the ramifications is nothing more than cowardice and a disservice to those in the past who suffered and even died for what they felt was right.

All of the revolutionaries who rose up against tyranny or who stopped corrupt regimes from pillaging their people or risked their lives for freedom of information are all disserviced when their modern counterparts decay in to mediocrity because they don't want to be exposed to things that are tiring or difficult.

You say that backing down when confronted with the Establishment is cowardice. I ask you: You and what army? Is bravery equal to stupidity?

In addition I don't agree that the youth are monopolising the market on mediocrity. I see young people destroying themselves for their dreams. They devote their hard-earned pennies helping society, while the insanely funded ubermeisters stuff their millions into their own pockets. WHY? :mad:

You say that backing down when confronted with the Establishment is cowardice. I ask you: You and what army? Is bravery equal to stupidity?

In addition I don't agree that the youth are monopolising the market on mediocrity. I see young people destroying themselves for their dreams. They devote their hard-earned pennies helping society, while the insanely funded ubermeisters stuff their millions into their own pockets. WHY? :mad:

Because people care about themselves, not the rest of society. :rolleyes:

So what if a bloodythirsty dictator decided he wanted to expand his territory. Starts invading your country. Then what. Let him walk over you? No. You set up a front line and stick soldiers on it. You bomb their military bases and fight. You tell them to stop. The dictator is very ambitious so he continues to bomb your country into the ground. And so you say: "Fuck off, or I'll nuke your arse." And if he continues, you nuke his capitol city. You nuke his second largest city. And so he stops because his military is now a piece of crap. And nobody will fuck with you again.

I agree that a strong defense force is necessary. It is the base currency for diplomacy. Diplomacy should never end, not even during fighting.

As for your fetish with nukes, that doesn't sound very adult-like anyway. International engagement nowadays seem to involve a lot of sabre-rattling and misinformation campaigns. Should the enemy try to invade, a well trained defense force will help slow their progress while the diplomatic corps whip up support from sympathetic states. This border dispute can be mopped up with minimal casualities, most usually do.

No need to involve the death of millions.

I agree that a strong defense force is necessary. It is the base currency for diplomacy. Diplomacy should never end, not even during fighting.

As for your fetish with nukes, that doesn't sound very adult-like anyway. International engagement nowadays seem to involve a lot of sabre-rattling and misinformation campaigns. Should the enemy try to invade, a well trained defense force will help slow their progress while the diplomatic corps whip up support from sympathetic states. This border dispute can be mopped up with minimal casualities, most usually do.

No need to involve the death of millions.

I was under the impression that this was a bloodthirsty dictator who knew what he was doing. Not some wannabe Hitler who gives in to diplomatic talks after sending his massive army to conquer my country. And I don't have a fetish with nukes. I feel that nukes should be used once to put the fear of christ up anyone even considering invading my country, thus preventing future invasions.

I was under the impression that this was a bloodthirsty dictator who knew what he was doing. Not some wannabe Hitler who gives in to diplomatic talks after sending his massive army to conquer my country. And I don't have a fetish with nukes. I feel that nukes should be used once to put the fear of christ up anyone even considering invading my country, thus preventing future invasions.

A good way to hammer home your fetish in nukes if there ever was one.

Anyway, even the US military is into surgical strikes nowadays. The strategic utility of nukes in actual war has always been suspect. That topic is for another thread.

A good way to hammer home your fetish in nukes if there ever was one.

Anyway, even the US military is into surgical strikes nowadays. The strategic utility of nukes in actual war has always been suspect. That topic is for another thread.

Yes. Yes it is.

Let us suffice to say that 'justification' of millions of deaths is an opinion and can therefore not be right or wrong from anyones point of view.

Yes. Yes it is.

Let us suffice to say that 'justification' of millions of deaths is an opinion and can therefore not be right or wrong from anyones point of view.

No. I may send millions to fight, but not to die. If the enemy is so strong they can kill us all if we would not surrender, then I would rather surrender. If the enemy would rather kill us anyway, we may fight to the end, but not it would not be a "necessity". It would be a "tragedy".

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Non of these had famine or poverty. There leaders were highly uneducated. Yet they all lasted thousands of years without money! Duh!:D


What? All of these civilazations used money. Their leaders, while uneducated by "modern" standarts, where nowhere near being stupid (there are always exceptions, of course). How do you think Rome rewarded its legions? "Here's a loaf of bread. Now go and kill some barbarians!"

Either way, money is not the problem. Unrestricted greed and self-interest are. Money is actually the fairest way of trade until technology gives us a way of getting everything for nothing. And even then...

An Adults VS Children* thread. Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Rock Bottom. Population: NS General.


*Not kids, kids are young goats

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Non of these had famine or poverty. There leaders were highly uneducated. Yet they all lasted thousands of years without money! Duh!:D
wow, youre really uneducated. all these civilizations did use money. and by the standards from back then, they had a good eductation.