NationStates Jolt Archive

The great debate will heat up in the Senate next week as they will be debating immigration reform. So, my question is should we adopt the same immigration laws that Mexico has?

See this to find out how Mexico treats immigrants before you vote.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191528,00.html

yeah..more immigration debate.:headbang:


Know what would be kewl? If the day after tommorrow movie comes true and americans have to migrate to mexico...How funny that'd be...If i were mexico i'd build a wall to stop all of those american immigrants..see how they like it.

Something tells me a policy of raping and pillaging illegal immigrants isn't a good idea. So no, the US should not handle immigration like Mexico.*

*assuming Mexico does indeed do it like that. I would not put it above Fox news/the conservative establishment to embellish or straight up lie, especially about a foreign country and when it helps thier case. I'll spare you the relevant modern examples.

yeah..more immigration debate.:headbang:


Know what would be kewl? If the day after tommorrow movie comes true and americans have to migrate to mexico...How funny that'd be...If i were mexico i'd build a wall to stop all of those american immigrants..see how they like it.

So, why don't you want to adopt the same laws Mexico has?

So, why don't you want to adopt the same laws Mexico has?


Because I don't beleive in throwing people back when all they want is a job. They don't have jobs in northern mexico, so how are they to support a family?

Because I don't beleive in throwing people back when all they want is a job. They don't have jobs in northern mexico, so how are they to support a family?

1. By getting their government off their ass and build their economy.
2. Immigrate legally into the US.
3. Mexican welfare if all else fails. They do have welfare don't they?

Since no one has brought it up yet (in this thread anyways)- the U.S. should adopt an immigration policy like the Dutch.

So, why don't you want to adopt the same laws Mexico has?
Why don't you move to Mexico if you love it so much?

Why don't you move to Mexico if you love it so much?

WTF? I never said anything about loving or hating Mexico. I just asked if we should or should not adopt their immigration laws. :rolleyes:

WTF? I never said anything about loving or hating Mexico. I just asked if we should or should not adopt their immigration laws. :rolleyes:
Got a link to their immigration legislation?

WTF? I never said anything about loving or hating Mexico. I just asked if we should or should not adopt their immigration laws. :rolleyes:
You love it. Admit it.

Some people want to get into Mexico so badly that they will immigrate there illegally?

Immigrate legally into the US.
Legal immigrants from Mexico have the most stringent immigration requirements of all.

Legal immigrants from Mexico have the most stringent immigration requirements of all.
So, what's your point?

I wouldn't object if the US treated illegal immigrants as Mexico does, but legal immigrants should have the same rights (short of things like voting) as citizens do.

I think we've had enough threads about Mexican immigration into the USA.

Since no one has brought it up yet (in this thread anyways)- the U.S. should adopt an immigration policy like the Dutch.

I would first like to hear Theo vanGogh's opinion on that matter.

I think we've had enough threads about Mexican immigration into the USA.
Feel free not to read any more threads about immigration then. Unless someone is forcing you to read them :rolleyes:

I wouldn't object if the US treated illegal immigrants as Mexico does, but legal immigrants should have the same rights (short of things like voting) as citizens do.
Did you read the article about how Mexico treated it's illegal immigrants? If you had, Im not sure you would feel the way you do.

There is 11 MILLION people in this country that noone knows about. Think about that number. 11,000,000 people are in the United States right now, and the government doesn't even know they are in the borders.

If thousands can sneak their families, and their possesions across the border, how easy could it be for a terrorist to pay off a high ranking government official in Mexico, and sneak a dirty bomb, or a chemical weapon across the border?

When half a billion people in the world want you dead just for being a citizen of a country, the last thing you want is lax border security.

At the very least, illegal immigrants should be given more than a slap on the wrist and a bus ticket home.

There is 11 MILLION people in this country that noone knows about. Think about that number. 11,000,000 people are in the United States right now, and the government doesn't even know they are in the borders.

If thousands can sneak their families, and their possesions across the border, how easy could it be for a terrorist to pay off a high ranking government official in Mexico, and sneak a dirty bomb, or a chemical weapon across the border?

When half a billion people in the world want you dead just for being a citizen of a country, the last thing you want is lax border security.

At the very least, illegal immigrants should be given more than a slap on the wrist and a bus ticket home.

Couldn't have said it much better myself.

I read the article. I don't think the US should start copying anything Mexico does. I think that if immigrants want to come here and take jobs that Americans on welfare don't want to do, that's great. I say :upyours: to anyone on welfare that doesn't want to work. But if those immigrants want to get paid by me, they better be legal or I can pay them whatever I want. It would be smart for an immigrant to get legal.

We as Americans should know better. We should not rape and pillage anyone, but a good ol' american kicking in teh arse never hurt anyone. getting your arse handed to you and then dumped back on your side of the board will teach anyone better.

But the best policy is a wall.

F all those people with no voting rights. If you do not vote, and connot vote then you have no right to say how OUR, MY government should be run.

:upyours: ::

I have compasion for anyone who is willing to follow the system. But there is NO way I will EVER accept any flag other then the America flag flying at my childrens school.

I have contempt for any BOE members who say my children, who are raised American and speak american have classes in spanish. In the 60's we did away with segragation. But there is segragation in school because of children who only speak spanish.

Do you go to Mexico and ask for your legal documents to be in english youwill get laughed at, and not to forget all the times I got mocked when I was there also for speaking english.

:upyours:

And that is what I say to every single illegal imagrant. :upyours:

If you do not cut it as a legal citizen, the :upyours: and get the f outta my country.

And most americans feel this way, not the small minority that felt that they were SO important that they could hurt the country that they are trying to exploit, I men live in illegally, I mean be a citizen of... yeah right. :upyours:

F- all yall, :upyours: the people who harbor you, :upyours: all those that think that it's Ok to be illegal in America, and a BIG :upyours: to all those people who fly flags of other countries in their cars, and on the key chains and tattoos o those countries, WHILE THEY LIVE IN AMERICA!!

:upyours:

And don't forget :upyours:

yeah..more immigration debate.:headbang:


Know what would be kewl? If the day after tommorrow movie comes true and americans have to migrate to mexico...How funny that'd be...If i were mexico i'd build a wall to stop all of those american immigrants..see how they like it.
Uh, there's a difference. Nobody is going to freeze or fry to death down in Mexico. We would up in the North.

Aside from that, if they did, we'd just bomb the fuck outta them til every Mexican citizen was a speck of dust. Rightfully so...

...:upyours: ...
USian, r u?

*snip*

:upyours: ::

*snip*

:upyours:

*snip*

:upyours:


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:upyours:

*snip*

:upyours: *snip*
:upyours: *snip*

BIG :upyours:

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:upyours:

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And don't forget :upyours:

Why no gun smilies as well? You missed a great opportunity there. :rolleyes:

NO, we should not allow the immigrants to be raped and brutalized, but they should not have freedom of speech in our country, as they are not citizens and in all actuality do not have these rights, it would be nice if we could just keep them south of the border to begin with, but we cant so lets make them stop whining.

NO, we should not allow the immigrants to be raped and brutalized, but they should not have freedom of speech in our country, as they are not citizens and in all actuality do not have these rights, it would be nice if we could just keep them south of the border to begin with, but we cant so lets make them stop whining.
....by cutting out their tongues?

And don't forget :upyours:
I can't decide if you're Ted Nugent or Toby Keith.

We as Americans should know better. We should not rape and pillage anyone, but a good ol' american kicking in teh arse never hurt anyone. getting your arse handed to you and then dumped back on your side of the board will teach anyone better.

But the best policy is a wall.

F all those people with no voting rights. If you do not vote, and connot vote then you have no right to say how OUR, MY government should be run.

:upyours: ::

I have compasion for anyone who is willing to follow the system. But there is NO way I will EVER accept any flag other then the America flag flying at my childrens school.

I have contempt for any BOE members who say my children, who are raised American and speak american have classes in spanish. In the 60's we did away with segragation. But there is segragation in school because of children who only speak spanish.

Do you go to Mexico and ask for your legal documents to be in english youwill get laughed at, and not to forget all the times I got mocked when I was there also for speaking english.

:upyours:

And that is what I say to every single illegal imagrant. :upyours:

If you do not cut it as a legal citizen, the :upyours: and get the f outta my country.

And most americans feel this way, not the small minority that felt that they were SO important that they could hurt the country that they are trying to exploit, I men live in illegally, I mean be a citizen of... yeah right. :upyours:

F- all yall, :upyours: the people who harbor you, :upyours: all those that think that it's Ok to be illegal in America, and a BIG :upyours: to all those people who fly flags of other countries in their cars, and on the key chains and tattoos o those countries, WHILE THEY LIVE IN AMERICA!!

:upyours:

And don't forget :upyours:
Is there some kind of a 'first post' award that we can give this?

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT: Hi, I'd like to enter Mexico illegally.

MEXICAN BORDER GUARD: Would you like raping or pillageing?

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT: Oh, both thanks.

"you know what would be awesome? if the USian government was run more like mexico's."

I would first like to hear Theo vanGogh's opinion on that matter.

He's dead, I don't think he has one anymore.

We as Americans should know better. We should not rape and pillage anyone, but a good ol' american kicking in teh arse never hurt anyone. getting your arse handed to you and then dumped back on your side of the board will teach anyone better.

I have contempt for any BOE members who say my children, who are raised American and speak american have classes in spanish. In the 60's we did away with segragation. But there is segragation in school because of children who only speak spanish.

Beating people and leaving them for dead never hurt anyone? How quaint. When we meet, I know how I'll greet you now.

And, there is no language 'American' the peoples of the Americas speak a wide number of languages, but primarily Spanish, followed by English. I hear Chinese is very common in many places too.

Its extremely unpatriotic to say we should emulate places like mexico.

Its saying "there's nothing good about america, its a lousy hellhole like all the other lousy hellholes."

Shame.

The immigration problem is really about race.

Sooner than any of us can imagine, everyone you know will have at least one hispanic grandchild. The hispanic population is growing at 2-3 times the white population, plus they are intermarrying with whites, providing hispanic grandchildren for the protected white race. You better bone up on your spanish if you hope to relate to your grandchildren at all. The real fear here is whites becoming a minority, hense the lack of fear of Canadian immigrants. Donde vas, Amigo?

Is there some kind of a 'first post' award that we can give this?

No, to win that award requires the use of gun smilies too, not just up yours. An honourable mention would be appropriate though.

Awesome!
Why bother being a beacon to the rest of the world about democracy, fairness and compassion when you can copy the worst of third world country policies?
Why stop with Mexico? Let's hear it for Dafur's immigration policy! Now there's one the US should adopt forewith! Starting tomorrow, US border patrol should be issued with machetes, tyres and gasoline.




And let's hear it also for Fox for bringing intelligent reasoned debate into this area of contention.
As always.

"you know what would be awesome? if the USian government was run more like mexico's."
With corruption, nepotism and blatant disregard for the general public's welfare and opinions?

Oh, wait a minute...

Damn it! where's the 'i don't live in the USA - I don't care option?'

The immigration problem is really about race.


No it is not. It is about the right of the United States of America to enforce it's laws and control immigration. It is no different from any other country who does the same thing.

I'd like to take a moment here to mention that every act of terrorism committed on US soil in the last 50 years was perpetrated by people on that soil legally.

The 9/11 hijackers had passports, folks. They didn't hop a fence.

Let's ban legal immigration.

He's dead, I don't think he has one anymore.

That was the point of my comment. Do you know how/why he died?

We as Americans should know better. We should not rape and pillage anyone, but a good ol' american kicking in teh arse never hurt anyone. getting your arse handed to you and then dumped back on your side of the board will teach anyone better.

But the best policy is a wall.

F all those people with no voting rights. If you do not vote, and connot vote then you have no right to say how OUR, MY government should be run.

:upyours: ::

I have compasion for anyone who is willing to follow the system. But there is NO way I will EVER accept any flag other then the America flag flying at my childrens school.

I have contempt for any BOE members who say my children, who are raised American and speak american have classes in spanish. In the 60's we did away with segragation. But there is segragation in school because of children who only speak spanish.

Do you go to Mexico and ask for your legal documents to be in english youwill get laughed at, and not to forget all the times I got mocked when I was there also for speaking english.

:upyours:

And that is what I say to every single illegal imagrant. :upyours:

If you do not cut it as a legal citizen, the :upyours: and get the f outta my country.

And most americans feel this way, not the small minority that felt that they were SO important that they could hurt the country that they are trying to exploit, I men live in illegally, I mean be a citizen of... yeah right. :upyours:

F- all yall, :upyours: the people who harbor you, :upyours: all those that think that it's Ok to be illegal in America, and a BIG :upyours: to all those people who fly flags of other countries in their cars, and on the key chains and tattoos o those countries, WHILE THEY LIVE IN AMERICA!!

:upyours:

And don't forget :upyours:

Though I would have done it with less angry smileys, I agree wholeheartedly.

F all those people with no voting rights. If you do not vote, and connot vote then you have no right to say how OUR, MY government should be run.

No freedom of speech eh?


I have compasion for anyone who is willing to follow the system. But there is NO way I will EVER accept any flag other then the America flag flying at my childrens school.

Too bad.


I have contempt for any BOE members who say my children, who are raised American and speak american have classes in spanish.

Uh, "speak American?" I think you mean "English." It's the English language. That's why the class is called "English" and not "American."

You did take that class, right?


Do you go to Mexico and ask for your legal documents to be in english youwill get laughed at, and not to forget all the times I got mocked when I was there also for speaking english.

You got MOCKED? I find that hard to believe, a well-spoken man such as yourself.


If you do not cut it as a legal citizen, the :upyours: and get the f outta my country.

Oh, this was YOUR country? I don't see your name on it.


And most americans feel this way, not the small minority that felt that they were SO important that they could hurt the country that they are trying to exploit, I men live in illegally, I mean be a citizen of... yeah right. :upyours:


Actually, it's "most americans" who are willing to exploit immigrants, not the other way around. Who hires illegal immigrants? American businesses.

Not that someone like you is overly concerned with facts.


F- all yall, :upyours: the people who harbor you, :upyours: all those that think that it's Ok to be illegal in America, and a BIG :upyours: to all those people who fly flags of other countries in their cars, and on the key chains and tattoos o those countries, WHILE THEY LIVE IN AMERICA!!

Flags and tattoos and freedom of speech, oh my!

How dare they!

What ever happened in the US to "Give me your huddled masses........."? I guess you have to get there early or there are no seats for the show now.

:upyours: ::

I have compasion for anyone who is willing to follow the system. But there is NO way I will EVER accept any flag other then the America flag flying at my childrens school.

I have contempt for any BOE members who say my children, who are raised American and speak american have classes in spanish. In the 60's we did away with segragation. But there is segragation in school because of children who only speak spanish.

Do you go to Mexico and ask for your legal documents to be in english youwill get laughed at, and not to forget all the times I got mocked when I was there also for speaking english.

:upyours:

F- all yall, :upyours: the people who harbor you, :upyours: all those that think that it's Ok to be illegal in America, and a BIG :upyours: to all those people who fly flags of other countries in their cars, and on the key chains and tattoos o those countries, WHILE THEY LIVE IN AMERICA!!

:upyours:

And don't forget :upyours:
All I can say to you is this:
Mr. Special Foreign Man Won't Read Anything Not Written In His Own Language

May 10, 2006 | Issue 42•19

CHICAGO—Greek-born resident Anatole Pialoglou was again engrossed in Greek-language reading material, this time a newspaper, throughout his morning commute Monday, incredulous passengers on Chicago's Blue Line reported.

"There goes Mr. Special Foreign Man again with his sophisticated foreign newspaper," asset-management analyst Tim Hollingsworth, 28, said after having to stand directly in front of the seated Greek and the incomprehensible text during rush hour. "He was sitting there quietly. I couldn't make out what it was, but it looked like he was reading a story about a murder or maybe an accident," Hollingsworth said of the Mediterranean, who appears to prefer the crime and political chaos of his own country to what is available in the U.S.

Eyewitnesses familiar with Pialoglou's discourteous literary leanings said the 53-year-old Thessaly native is almost always carrying a periodical or paperback composed of Greek letters they'd encountered previously only on college-campus fraternity houses.

"It was definitely Greek," said Amy Kissler, a dental assistant who was a passenger on this unexpected train ride through "Little Sparta."

Pialoglou is the manager at a small branch office of a Greek-owned commercial shipping company in which the primary language spoken among employees is not English, but Greek. Pialoglou prefers to have his newspaper—printed in far-off Athens—sent to the office via air mail, rather than spend the 50¢ necessary for the Chicago Tribune, read by thousands of English-speaking Americans every day, according to postal carrier RaVanne Cambridge.

"I know he can speak some English," Cambridge said. "I've talked to him a few times while he was signing for package deliveries."

The effort and money Pialoglou expends on a little news from the homeland, despite the fact that he has lived in the U.S. for over 20 years and has demonstrated a significant familiarity with written and conversational English, is extreme, according to some witnesses. On the rare occasion when Pialoglou does use the predominant tongue of his adopted country, they said, he utters it in monosyllabic, heavily accented tones that some described as "grunts."

Pialoglou's newspaper, airmailed all the way from Athens, is still completely illegible here in the US.

"He can be difficult to understand," said waitress Kathi Braithwaite, who often has to endure serving Pialoglou at a diner near his office. "Sometimes I wish I could speak Greek," she went on, implying that she would then find out whether he barks out his lunch orders in his mother tongue as rudely as he does in English.

Hollingsworth wondered if Pialoglou could perhaps join forces with the Hasidic Jew he occasionally encounters on the Brown Line train who pores obsessively over a small, foreign book. The pair might even consider starting a sick kind of reading group.

"It seems like he's only interested in reading material from Greece," Kissler said, curious why anyone would be interested in anything from a country that seems to churn out little more than plays about incest, where communists regularly win elections, and whose most memorable icon, Zorba, was not portrayed by a native.

In addition to reading expensive foreign-made newspapers, Pialoglou has allegedly never set foot in a Jewel-Osco supermarket or even a White Hen Pantry, insisting instead on the pungent cheese, bitter olives, and other obscure delicacies found in a small Greek shop in Chicago's Greektown neighborhood, where he also, not surprisingly, resides.

Asked for comment on his Hellenic habit, Pialoglou, despite a lengthy, emotional response, failed to shed much light on the subject.

"I find [unintelligible] lacking [unintelligible] shipping [string of rumbling epiglottals] European Union [long series of incoherent dipthongs] home," Pialoglou said.

Pialoglou was unable or unwilling to comprehend a follow-up question about his propensity for anal sex with hairy women.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48204

The reactions in this thread prove a few things

(1: SOME Americans have no compassion
(2: SOME Americans care only for themselves
(3: SOME Americans are racist.
(4: SOME Americans are just plain A-holes

To those who fall into the category of "some" mentioned above. Thank you, You've truly let us all known how True and real the stereotype ass American really is. I might not be American, but being an internet addict I know dozens of them. Best friends one could wish for. But it's a shame there's some people that create a bad image for themselves, and their countrymen.

Who ever would want the immigration laws to be the same as in mexico. is just pure greedy.

i think we don't need immigrants they are a drain on the economy...

What ever happened in the US to "Give me your huddled masses........."? I guess you have to get there early or there are no seats for the show now.


The masses stopped being white people from europe.

The masses stopped being white people from europe.
Maybe we could have a bleach filled moat at the border?

The masses stopped being white people from europe.
It isn't about race. Why is it the only ones talking about race are the ones opposing restrictions?

I can't believe you're listening to Fox News! That net work is so friggin' biased, it might as well say "All immigrants/natives, go home! Only White people! ONLY WHITE PEOPLE!" :headbang:

i think we don't need immigrants they are a drain on the economy...
In what way? Is it they create jobs or that they keep the cost of items down?

I can't believe you're listening to Fox News! That net work is so friggin' biased, it might as well say "All immigrants/natives, go home! Only White people! ONLY WHITE PEOPLE!" :headbang:
Your own bigotry and prejudice is showing.

It's amazing the convulsions some people go through when someone mentions Fox news.

Grab a bag of popcorn, pull up a chair and watch them kill their own brain cells banging their heads against a wall.

It's great fun.

For those of you who dismiss this because it was a Fox opinion item that was sited:
http://www.migrationint.com.au/news/syria/jan_1995-04mn.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1252/is_21_129/ai_95953450/pg_3
The original posters premise was, I believe, this:
The Mexican government tries to pressure the US government towards a much more liberal immigration policy. Yet their own policy towards immigrants into it's country is much more severe and Draconian. Draconian, the same word that some people use to describe our immigration policies and laws.

Did you read the article about how Mexico treated it's illegal immigrants? If you had, Im not sure you would feel the way you do.

They're in the country illegally. They've given up any claim to any legal protection of any sort.

*assuming Mexico does indeed do it like that.
It does. Not everybody gets raped and killed, of course, but there's almost no prosecution for the cases when it does.

They're in the country illegally. They've given up any claim to any legal protection of any sort.
Erm... no, not really. Both the Mexican and US Constitutions guarantee everybody certain rights, just for being a person and being in the country, whether legally or illegaly, and whether you agree or know those rights or not. It's part of the beauty of liberal societies.

What ever happened in the US to "Give me your huddled masses........."? I guess you have to get there early or there are no seats for the show now.

The masses stopped being white people from europe.

Where's the *thumbs up* when you need it?

The original posters premise was, I believe, this:
The Mexican government tries to pressure the US government towards a much more liberal immigration policy. Yet their own policy towards immigrants into it's country is much more severe and Draconian. Draconian, the same word that some people use to describe our immigration policies and laws.

Just because Country B's policies are worse than Country A's does not mean that Country A's policies are good. They may still be bad. Then Country B's policies are just worse, (more bad).

No, I do not think we should treat our illegal or legal immigrants the way immigrants (both legal and illegal) are treated in Mexico. Is that clear enough, now?

Erm... no, not really. Both the Mexican and US Constitutions guarantee everybody certain rights, just for being a person and being in the country, whether legally or illegaly, and whether you agree or know those rights or not. It's part of the beauty of liberal societies.

But that's a problem.

Incentives matter. If illegal immigration carried huge risks, fewer people would do it.

yeah..more immigration debate.:headbang:


Know what would be kewl? If the day after tommorrow movie comes true and americans have to migrate to mexico...How funny that'd be...If i were mexico i'd build a wall to stop all of those american immigrants..see how they like it.

And if it were to be fair they'd subsidize us, give us money, raise us on welfare......

But then again, noone will ever flee to Mexico. Except Alex baldwin.

Come hell or highwater, I ain't leavin here. Some frost that magically obeys national boundaries will respect the boundary of my property or else! (TDA was a crappy b movie anyways, effects were nice but c'mon!)