NationStates Jolt Archive

What do we get out of this "alliance"(very one sided btw) other than a waste of billions of tax dollars and a big target saying "please attack us terrorists." I think one of the reasons we still support them is because the jewish lobby has too much power in DC. There are more muslims in the US than jews, yet jews have far more power in government. It also seems to me this Iran problem has more to do with protecting Israel than it does the US. Why should Americans give their lives to protect the fake state of Israel when Israel doesnt even give us troops for Afghanistan or Iraq?

We get valuable partners in high tech and defense research, we get to help out people who share many of our cultural values, and we get to stand up for our shared principles.

Why do you support the Palestinians? They danced in the streets on 9/11 and elect terrorist, anti-secular, anti-gay, militant islamist scum to be their leaders.

It had been sooo quiet on NS for a few weeks....

Like after a migraine....

Shame thats over.

The UN abassadorship, you are the smartest political thinker I know!

They're the only ones who don't hate the yanks...And the yanks are the only ones who don't hate Israel.

because if we wouldn't they would get ripped to shreds by muslims?

because if we wouldn't they would get ripped to shreds by muslims?
And that's our fight because...?

We get valuable partners in high tech and defense research, we get to help out people who share many of our cultural values, and we get to stand up for our shared principles.
Fuck that. Do you get a positive cash flow out of it?

Israel doesnt even give us troops for Afghanistan or Iraq?
The reason they didn't take part in either of the Gulf Wars was because we asked them not to.
the fake state of Israel
Fake state? on the contrary it is the most real state, the international community created it, not just the conqueres of land like every other nation in the world.
Why should Americans give their lives to protect Israel
They are in NATO and we a requied to help them, just as they are required to help us if we are in dire need.

Fuck that. Do you get a positive cash flow out of it?
We've gotten help with laser and rocket based anti-missile systems. Companies like Microsoft have benefited from Israeli research and development. Sometimes you pay a little to get what you want.

Why do you support the Palestinians?
Its probably that little thing about having their land stolen and their human rights abused. yeah, thats probably it.

They danced in the streets on 9/11
That was mostly because the main Israel supporter was hit, not the fact it was the US

and elect terrorist, anti-secular, anti-gay, militant islamist scum to be their leaders.
So practice democracy, just so long as your enemy(Israel) supports the choice? btw, Israel elected terrorists, one of their 1st PM was apart of a jewish terrorist organization that blew up several British buildings and citizens. Israels government an anti-secular, anti-gay, militant jewish scum. I dont see the difference.

They are in NATO and we a requied to help them, just as they are required to help us if we are in dire need.

Israel is not a member of NATO.

NATO countries:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Map_of_NATO_countries2.png

Fuck that. Do you get a positive cash flow out of it?
it is an investment in the nation.

What do we get out of this "alliance"(very one sided btw) other than a waste of billions of tax dollars and a big target saying "please attack us terrorists." I think one of the reasons we still support them is because the jewish lobby has too much power in DC. There are more muslims in the US than jews, yet jews have far more power in government. It also seems to me this Iran problem has more to do with protecting Israel than it does the US. Why should Americans give their lives to protect the fake state of Israel when Israel doesnt even give us troops for Afghanistan or Iraq?

This is retarded.

Do you really think Iraqis and Afghans want Israeli forces in their country!? Come on, dude...think a little bit.

Also, you say the only reason we are standing up to Iran is because of our alliance with Israel, yet Europe is just as much standing up to Iran and they most definetly dont share our alliance with Israel.

Again, all it takes is a little thinking, dont just spew retardedness.....many of us dont speak the language.

ISrael is in NATO? Since when?

Well, I like to balance Israel and Palestine by pointing out their favoured methods of general warfare.

Israel: fires guided missiles directly at terrorist leaders

Palestinians: send suicide bombers into crowded bars, lob mortars into civilian stadium

The US should remain allies with Israel because Israel is the protector of all that is good and right in the Middle East, such as puppies and kittens, fairies and soup dragons.

Israel: Fire helicopter-mounted rockets into residential areas.

Palestinians: Blow themselves up, fire horribly inaccurate rockets into settlements.

Israel is not a member of NATO.
they arn't?!? that is quite a suprise, I'm sorry about that but I feel that they are a bit of an unspoken partner.

they arn't?!? that is quite a suprise, I'm sorry about that but I feel that they are a bit of an unspoken partner.

No. Check page on the first page to see a map of NATO countries in blue

Why do you support the Americans? They danced in the streets on 9/11 and elect terrorist, anti-secular, anti-gay, militant Christian scum to be their leaders.

I just couldn't resist.

And that's our fight because...?

It doesnt have to be your fight, British boy....but it will be our fight as Americans.

Just because you're an isolationist asshole and dont care if around 6 million people get slaughtered by arabs, doesnt mean America or even the rest of your country feel the same way.

No. Check page on the first page to see a map of NATO countries in blue
I did, and I apologized for my mistake so pick another point to argue with.

It doesnt have to be your fight, British boy....but it will be our fight as Americans.

Just because you're an isolationist asshole and dont care if around 6 million people get slaughtered by arabs, doesnt mean America or even the rest of your country feel the same way.

WOW! Insulting a Mod.

There is a fine line between bravery and studipity- I think you just crossed it.

It doesnt have to be your fight, British boy....but it will be our fight as Americans.

Just because you're an isolationist asshole and dont care if around 6 million people get slaughtered by arabs, doesnt mean America or even the rest of your country feel the same way.

America's fight involves nicking all the resources :)

WOW! Insulting a Mod.

There is a fine line between bravery and studipity- I think you just crossed it.

I think not caring if 6 million people get slaughtered is very asshole...Whats wrong with that.

I think not caring if 6 million people get slaughtered is very asshole...Whats wrong with that.

Do you honestly think that the Arab states are remotely capable of doing that without getting their asses nuked? Pull your head out of that previously mentioned orifice, please.

Well, I like to balance Israel and Palestine by pointing out their favoured methods of general warfare.

Israel: fires guided missiles directly at terrorist leaders

Palestinians: send suicide bombers into crowded bars, lob mortars into civilian stadium

Uhm...You're off balance.
Israel: Bulldoze homes, shoot kids that throw rocks, keep the Palistinians in ghettos which they frequently raid, keep ambulances out...etc etc etc...

Neither side is being very civil.

And that's our fight because...?
Because we made the nation and have a hand in what happens to it, it would be a bitch move to let millions of men WEMON AND CHILDREN get massacred due to their ethnic heritage/religion.

The reason they didn't take part in either of the Gulf Wars was because we asked them not to.
What a nice excuse for them
Fake state? on the contrary it is the most real state, the international community created it, not just the conqueres of land like every other nation in the world.
I will not recognize them until they recognize the basic rights of Palestinians

They are in NATO and we a requied to help them, just as they are required to help us if we are in dire need.
Actually they arent, and we arent required to help them. In fact they arent in the NPT either and rarely work with the International community. They are a rogue state with nuclear weapons, I say we invade.

I think not caring if 6 million people get slaughtered is very asshole...Whats wrong with that.
Ummm.... Ok.
Don't know where you're getting that from, but Israel itself isn't particalurly innocent either.

I think not caring if 6 million people get slaughtered is very asshole...Whats wrong with that.

You called a Mod 'an asshole'.

Clap...clap.

Its probably that little thing about having their land stolen and their human rights abused. yeah, thats probably it.

It was never their land. It was Britain's land. Then Britain decided to create a Jewish state, a Palestinian state and a Kurdish state. Arabs, not wanting teh joos in their region, attack Israel, and fail miserably, resulting the occuption of the Palestinian state. The Kurds never got their state.

Well, that how I think it went. I'm probably wrong.

So practice democracy, just so long as your enemy(Israel) supports the choice? btw, Israel elected terrorists, one of their 1st PM was apart of a jewish terrorist organization that blew up several British buildings and citizens. Israels government an anti-secular, anti-gay, militant jewish scum. I dont see the difference.

You're talking about Irgun, and at least they had the decency to warn the British before they blew those places up, despite the British being deeply pro-Arab.

Do you honestly think that the Arab states are remotely capable of doing that without getting their asses nuked? Pull your head out of that previously mentioned orifice, please.
and why do you think they would be nuked? because we are their allies, if we follow UN guys idea we would stop caring and they would get killed, I think it is you whos head is lodged.

Perhaps people are going to have to face up to the fact that Israel is not the source of all that is good in the universe.

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You're K Prussia?

Aren't you supposed to be on a week long ban?

Tell me you're not trying to post around the ban?!

Its probably that little thing about having their land stolen and their human rights abused. yeah, thats probably it.
Huh. Who did the land belong to in the first place? The Hebrews. Who kicked them out? The Romans (who later became modern-day Europeans). Who gave it back to them? The Europeans.

If anything the British should be bitching because it was their land officially. Yet they gave it freely to the Israelis. In fact, the Palestinians were given the West Bank, where most of them lived anyway. They decided to attack Israel. They lost. Israel won the West Bank. Palestinians are unhappy. Palestinians launch terrorist attacks on Israel. US supports Israel because it feels guilty about turning back boatloads of Jews during the Holocaust and sending them back to Germany to get slaughtered by Hitler.

Get the picture?

So practice democracy, just so long as your enemy(Israel) supports the choice? btw, Israel elected terrorists, one of their 1st PM was apart of a jewish terrorist organization that blew up several British buildings and citizens. Israels government an anti-secular, anti-gay, militant jewish scum. I dont see the difference.
They're not anti-secular. The anti-secular people are the settlers in Gaza. Ever heard of Baruch Goldstein? Or Yitzhak Rabin?

and why do you think they would be nuked? because we are their allies, if we follow UN guys idea we would stop caring and they would get killed, I think it is you whos head is lodged.

Israel wouldn't hesitate. Hey, Moshe Dayan wanted to use weapons of mass destruction against Arab states.

[QUOTE]Do you really think Iraqis and Afghans want Israeli forces in their country!? Come on, dude...think a little bit.
Do you think they want Americans there? Come on thats bs, Israels not there becuase they want to use the US to serve their needs without putting any of their guys on the line.

Also, you say the only reason we are standing up to Iran is because of our alliance with Israel, yet Europe is just as much standing up to Iran and they most definetly dont share our alliance with Israel.
Europe is trying to use other means than war. Yet in the US theres talk of using nukes and Israel says Iran can be wiped out.

You're K Prussia?

Aren't you supposed to be on a week long ban?

Tell me you're not trying to post around the ban?!

Yeah, so what? Is there something wrong with that? I never heard that there was.

Perhaps people are going to have to face up to the fact that Israel is not the source of all that is good in the universe.

And people are going to have to fave up to the fact that it's not the source of all evil either. Since it's creation it's been attacked by just about every one of it's neighbours; How do you expect a military to react when it's country faces attack every single day?

www.palestinefacts.org

Yeah, so what? Is there something wrong with that? I never heard that there was.

You don't think posting around a ban is breaking the rules?! :rolleyes:

Yeah, so what? Is there something wrong with that? I never heard that there was.

It's against the rules, for one thing.
:rolleyes:

I think not caring if 6 million people get slaughtered is very asshole...Whats wrong with that.
stop crying holocuast, its very old

You don't think posting around a ban is breaking the rules?! :rolleyes:

We do it all the time on GameFAQs.

Besides, I'm not K-P now. I'm The Artist Formerly Know As K-P. I'm SGH now.

Do you honestly think that the Arab states are remotely capable of doing that without getting their asses nuked? Pull your head out of that previously mentioned orifice, please.
Seriously, Israel did fine without US support in the War of Independence of 1948 and dozens of other wars, in fact it beat the Arab states every single time... Saddam Hussein tried to nuke it in the Gulf War and a fat lot of good that did... I doubt Israel would suddenly become extremely vulnerable the minute the US withdraws the paltry support it's giving so far.

We do it all the time on GameFAQs.

Besides, I'm not K-P now. I'm The Artist Formerly Know As K-P. I'm SGH now.

GameFAQs is a shithole.

This is not gameFAQs.

it is an investment in the nation.
I don't know. That sounds kinda liberal/socialist. :confused:

Its probably that little thing about having their land stolen and their human rights abused. yeah, thats probably it.
yeah, back in the twenties when palestinian rioters attacked Jews it was because their horoscopes read "Israel will take your land", right? Back when the palestinians, especially the Mufti of Jerusalem teamed up with Hitler and advocated the extermination of Jews it was because of the state of Israel too, right?


That was mostly because the main Israel supporter was hit, not the fact it was the US It's still a reason not to support the palestinians. You support attacks upon my countrymen you become my nation's enemy. UN, if you're an American, you're a traitor in my opinion.



So practice democracy, just so long as your enemy(Israel) supports the choice? btw, Israel elected terrorists, one of their 1st PM was apart of a jewish terrorist organization that blew up several British buildings and citizens. Israels government an anti-secular, anti-gay, militant jewish scum. I dont see the difference.While Israel is a Jewish state, I've never heard of an Israeli politician condeming secularism, blaming gays for diseases, or advocating genocide. I have seen a Hamas spokesman say those things on an interview on CNN.

Saddam Hussein tried to nuke it in the Gulf War and a fat lot of good that did...
Wow. Revisionist history in action.

WOW! Insulting a Mod.

There is a fine line between bravery and studipity- I think you just crossed it.

Do we need to give the mods more respect and consideration than anyone else that would post? If so they should not be allowed to post their onion, for these threads are about free speech and debate. We should be able to argue with the mods just like anyone else.

We do it all the time on GameFAQs.

Besides, I'm not K-P now. I'm The Artist Formerly Know As K-P. I'm SGH now.
NS = GameFAQs?

And the mods don't particularly care if you're the Artist Formerly Known as K-P, as long as you share K-P's IP address, e-mail, and the other banned factors. Basically, if you're the same person, you've just earned yourself a one-way ticket to Hades.

Do we need to give the mods more respect and consideration than anyone else that would post? If so they should not be allowed to post their onion, for these threads are about free speech and debate. We should be able to argue with the mods just like anyone else.

There's some sense in that.
Wait... Post their onion? Ewww.

Do we need to give the mods more respect and consideration than anyone else that would post? If so they should not be allowed to post their onion, for these threads are about free speech and debate. We should be able to argue with the mods just like anyone else.

Argue? Yes.

Calling a person an 'asshole' ? No. That is called Flaming and results in a warning from the Mods.

Calling a Mod an 'asshole' = Stupidity in action.

Wow. Revisionist history in action.
So you're saying Saddam Hussein didn't launch missile strikes on Israel and Saudi Arabia when the coalition hit Kuwait? No, I'm serious. I could be wrong.
If so they should not be allowed to post their onionThat sounds so dirty.

NS = GameFAQs?

And the mods don't particularly care if you're the Artist Formerly Known as K-P, as long as you share K-P's IP address, e-mail, and the other banned factors. Basically, if you're the same person, you've just earned yourself a one-way ticket to Hades.

Fine, I'm going.

Do we need to give the mods more respect and consideration than anyone else that would post? If so they should not be allowed to post their onion, for these threads are about free speech and debate. We should be able to argue with the mods just like anyone else.
Except calling someone an asshole isn't allowed. You can't call normal members assholes either.

and at least they had the decency to warn the British before they blew those places up, despite the British being deeply pro-Arab.
well, isn't that nice of them:rolleyes:

Uhm...You're off balance.
Israel: Bulldoze homes of terrorists and their families who are paid to send their kids to die thereby eliminating the financial incentive, shoot kids that throw rocks at soldiers engaging in military operations in order to provide distractions for the terrorists who throw grenades, keep the Palistinians in ghettos which they frequently raid to find and eliminate terrorists who would gladly kill carloads of girls and women or blow up working people on a bus, keep ambulances bearing weapons and terrorists out...etc etc etc...

Neither side is being very civil.
Fixed

Do we need to give the mods more respect and consideration than anyone else that would post? If so they should not be allowed to post their onion, for these threads are about free speech and debate. We should be able to argue with the mods just like anyone else.
People don't really have free speech here, it's kinda why we have all these cool buttons. To make sure people don't speak too freely and say crazy stuff like calling each other assholes, posting images that are all blood, shit and eyeballs, etc. But some of us do debate, and we tend to be OK to get along with. We don't ensure we receive preferential treatment or anything.

Calling a person an 'asshole' ? No. That is called Flaming and results in a warning from the Mods.
I've seen worse absorbed with no warning, but then I lived through the Fourth Age of Leniency™, so meh.

Fixed
Editing people's posts to agree with your own DCD?

You have sunk to a new low.

Fixed

Deeply broken.

So you're saying Saddam Hussein didn't launch missile strikes on Israel and Saudi Arabia when the coalition hit Kuwait?
Conventional Scuds, not nukes. And they missed.

We don't ensure we receive preferential treatment or anything.
Come on, you know you edit other people's posts to make it seem as though they're agreeing with you every once in a while. :p
Conventional Scuds, not nukes. And they missed.
Oh, ok. Saw "cruise missile", read "nuke". Association, I guess. And I call myself a war RPer. :p

If we start basing our world politics only on what we get in return we would be living in chaos in no time.

Editing people's posts to agree with your own DCD?

You have sunk to a new low.
If I had meant to pass the ideas off as the original poster's own I wouldn't have written fixed underneath it. I was clearly saying "I think your analysis of the situation is biased and incomplete" and adding information I thought was lacking.

yeah, back in the twenties when palestinian rioters attacked Jews it was because their horoscopes read "Israel will take your land", right? Back when the palestinians, especially the Mufti of Jerusalem teamed up with Hitler and advocated the extermination of Jews it was because of the state of Israel too, right?
oh, the holocuast excuse again, pardon me while I yawn.

It's still a reason not to support the palestinians. You support attacks upon my countrymen you become my nation's enemy. UN, if you're an American, you're a traitor in my opinion.
oh piss off. I dont support attacks on this great nation, you do. You do by supporting Israel which is hated by every Islamic extremist in the world. They see we are a big reason why Israel still exsist, so they attack us. If we dont support them, we dont get attacked they do. I am no traitor, you are. Why do you want America to be attacked and why do you want Americans to die for countries other than their own?

While Israel is a Jewish state, I've never heard of an Israeli politician condeming secularism, blaming gays for diseases, or advocating genocide. I have seen a Hamas spokesman say those things on an interview on CNN.
the Christian does things in this country, so whats the difference?

Thats a good question. Why should the US support Israel? It shouldn't.

Fixed. Oh, and I'm a wanker

I know.

But let's stick to the subject... So you're saying I'm saying that all the Palestinians blow themselves up for fun and kids deserve to get shot for throwing rocks?

...
Oh, ok. Saw "cruise missile", read "nuke". Association, I guess. And I call myself a war RPer. :p
Actually Scuds are ballistic, not cruise, missiles. ;)

Actually Scuds are ballistic, not cruise, missiles. ;)
More like hurtling a station-wagon through the air.....

Argue? Yes.

Calling a person an 'asshole' ? No. That is called Flaming and results in a warning from the Mods.

Calling a Mod an 'asshole' = Stupidity in action.

The warning should be the same regardless of who you call an asshole, if offending the mod is more likely to get you banned than we walk on dangerous ground.

The warning should be the same regardless of who you call an asshole, if offending the mod is more likely to get you banned than we walk on dangerous ground.

No, its more likely to get you noticed! And a lot faster!

TG obviously felt it wasn't worth doing anything, so thats that.

oh, the holocuast excuse again, pardon me while I yawn.
Sigh. Do you know why the US supports Israel?

During World War II, the US, not believing reports that Hitler was setting out on a plan of mass extermination of Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, homosexuals, and other "inferiors", turned back several boatfuls of the above undesirables, which led to their rescue by German ships that promptly transported them over to Auschwitz, Theresienstadt, &c.

Once Allied soldiers discovered that the rumors of the Holocaust were actually true, they naturally felt guilty about it and consented to support a new Jewish state established by the UN from land partially donated by Britain and partially purchased from Arabs by wealthy Jewish families, esp. the Rothschild family I believe.

Arabs, despite having sold off their land, felt cheated and declared war on Israel.

And so on, and so forth.

I know, I'm oversimplifying and leaving out assorted complications and other factors, but still.

oh, the holocuast excuse again, pardon me while I yawn. Taken with the incidents in the 1920s it illustrates that the Palestinians are just bent on killing Jews, not just getting land. Hell, why else does Hamas' charter call for the destruction of Israel rather than a viable two state solution? The holocaust is relevant because given the chance the palestinians would gladly cause another one.


oh piss off. I dont support attacks on this great nation, you do. You do by supporting Israel which is hated by every Islamic extremist in the world. They see we are a big reason why Israel still exsist, so they attack us. If we dont support them, we dont get attacked they do. I am no traitor, you are. Why do you want America to be attacked and why do you want Americans to die for countries other than their own?
Bullshit. Al Qaeda attacks the US in order to get us to stop selling weapons to and protecting nations like Jordan and Saudi Arabia so they can more easily cause Salafiyya Islamic revolutions there and establish a huge Muslim theocracy based on their religious views. Palestine is just a convenient way to get other muslims on board.

You stand up for those who celebrat American deaths. Thats not the behavior of a patriotic American in my opinion.


the Christian does things in this country, so whats the difference?
There is little difference. That's why I oppose the Christian right too.

I know.

But let's stick to the subject... So you're saying I'm saying that all the Palestinians blow themselves up for fun and kids deserve to get shot for throwing rocks?
Palestinians blow themselves up because stupid teenagers are easily convinced that all Israelis are legitimate targets and that there is glory in violent death and in killing a percieved enemy.

Kids pelting soliders with rocks in a dangerous urban combat situation are going to get shot. No soldier can be expected to take the risk that the next rock will be a grenade or that the stones being thrown are a distraction so that enemy fighters can get the jump on them. The kids are basically making themselves combatants and taking all the risks associated with that.

More like hurtling a station-wagon through the air.....
Whatever.... ballistic, cruise, I'm tired. Not enough sleep I guess.

Yeah, Israel has done some bad things to Palestinians. I'll admit that even though I despise Palestinians. I should hope the supporters of the Palestinans can admit that Palestinians have done alot of evil shit to Israelis. Anyway, no matter which side you pick in this fight the status quo will continue until a two state solution is implemented and both sides have the resources and security they need to focus on trade and the ordinary business of life rather than fighting one another.

Bullshit. Al Qaeda attacks the US in order to get us to stop selling weapons to and protecting nations like Jordan and Saudi Arabia so they can more easily cause Salafiyya Islamic revolutions there and establish a huge Muslim theocracy based on their religious views. Palestine is just a convenient way to get other muslims on board.

You stand up for those who celebrat American deaths. Thats not the behavior of a patriotic American in my opinion.


Al- Qeada's goals are far more politically based than they are religious. They view actions by the west as an attack their way of life and their people. Things like the occupation of Palestine and Checnya(spelling?), Bosnian killings, Kashmir, US troops in Saudi Arabia. Its these things that really created al-Qeada and recruit for them, they use religion as a cover, although it is a small part of it.

Al- Qeada's goals are far more politically based than they are religious. They view actions by the west as an attack their way of life and their people. Things like the occupation of Palestine and Checnya(spelling?), Bosnian killings, Kashmir, US troops in Saudi Arabia. Its these things that really created al-Qeada and recruit for them, they use religion as a cover, although it is a small part of it.
You're simply wrong. Religion and politics are the exact same thing for Al Qaeda. They view Islam as the only legitimate government as well as the true religion. They want their version of sharia to be law for everyone. They want a restoration of the caliphate to implement that law. Their way of life is the violent and repressive interpretation of the Koran and Hadith.

You're simply wrong. Religion and politics are the exact same thing for Al Qaeda. They view Islam as the only legitimate government as well as the true religion. They want their version of sharia to be law for everyone. They want a restoration of the caliphate to implement that law. Their way of life is the violent and repressive interpretation of the Koran and Hadith.
Do you not understand that precieved social and political oppression leads to religious extremeism? bin Laden has even said that they dont hate our freedom or anything like that, he says if it were that they would attack Sweden. They are not angry at all Christian/Jewish, capitalist, free countries, just the ones they see as attacking them.

Al- Qeada's goals are far more politically based than they are religious..... they use religion as a cover, although it is a small part of it.

lol.

Surprising that you would be arguing something that the salafis themselves claim for (political islam). I guess all that talk about modern jahilya and establishment of a caliphate on shariat lines are too hoodwink us....

Come to think of it, not really surprising...;)

This is the best thread I have ever seen.

It has a mod being called and asshole, and a banned person breaking the rules.

We get valuable partners in high tech and defense research, we get to help out people who share many of our cultural values, and we get to stand up for our shared principles.

I didn't realise America had fanatics ensconced in border states of Canada claiming it was theirs while American bulldozers occassionaly ploughed Canuckstani crops into the ground. Ok the native Americans were ethnically cleansed, but I thought every one put there hands up after "Dances with Wolves" and admitted their ancestors had done a bad thing.


Why do you support the Palestinians? They danced in the streets on 9/11 .

They didn't do it though. And after being fucked over by the US for four decades, its hardly suprising that a few did find some bleak joy in it.


Israel: fires guided missiles directly at terrorist leaders.

Could you explain where the "terrorist leaders" or indeed guided missiles are here?
http://www.pcdc.edu.ps/two_Jabaliya_girls_headshots.htm
or here?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4534620.stm

Just because you're an isolationist asshole and dont care if around 6 million people get slaughtered by arabs, doesnt mean America or even the rest of your country feel the same way..

I see no reason why withdrawal of support should go as far as removing military support in the event of war. What it should be is the removal of immunity against sanctions and unilateral support for Israel. Back to the pre 1967 borders and dismantle the settlements being a condition of financial support.


it would be a bitch move to let millions of men WEMON AND CHILDREN get massacred due to their ethnic heritage/religion...

Nobody advocated that, nor is it likely to happen to a nuclear power. Less of the doomsaying please.

Well, that how I think it went. I'm probably wrong....

O no probably about it. You're entirely wrong. It was not "Britains land" nor was it ever.


You're talking about Irgun, and at least they had the decency to warn the British before they blew those places up, despite the British being deeply pro-Arab.....

So pro-Arab they disarmed the Arab population yet left the settlers armed. Yes. When the Irgun put a round through a British soldiers head, did they warn him at the same time they pulled the trigger? Or the time they killed those kidnapped soldiers and booby-trapped the bodies...or took reprisals on Arab civillians .Spare me the holier than thou routine.


If anything the British should be bitching because it was their land officially. .....

I know this would break the mold, but why don't you actually look up the terms of the mandate?


Saddam Hussein tried to nuke it in the Gulf War...

Could you provide me with a link to the CNN/BBC/CBS etc story where it tells of Mr Saddam Husseins attempt to "nuke" Israel during the Gulf War?

yeah, back in the twenties when palestinian rioters attacked Jews it was because their horoscopes read "Israel will take your land", right?...

The conclusion about the riots in the Shaw commssion was that "racial animosity on the part of the Arabs, consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future." The "national aspirations" having been betrayed by the British with the Sykes-Picott agreement.

I've never heard of an Israeli politician condeming secularism, blaming gays for diseases, or advocating genocide.?...

Never heard of settlers, the ultra-orthodox parties...?


Kids pelting soliders with rocks in a dangerous urban combat situation are going to get shot..?..The kids are basically making themselves combatants and taking all the risks associated with that..

Dangerous because of the soldiers. The occupying soldiers.

And since when has a kid throwing a stone at an APC or MBT been a legitimate target? (presuamably only if they're Arab being the answer). Thats the mentality that a had a few of them dancing when the Twin towers was hit. Althought I doubt they'd be dancing if they had known the amount of whinging it would provoke.

Yeah, Israel has done some bad things to Palestinians. I'll admit that even though I despise Palestinians. I should hope the supporters of the Palestinans can admit that Palestinians have done alot of evil shit to Israelis. Anyway, no matter which side you pick in this fight the status quo will continue until a two state solution is implemented and both sides have the resources and security they need to focus on trade and the ordinary business of life rather than fighting one another.

Well...We seem to agree on that point.
I allready said it: Neither side is being very civil.
But I find it hard to understand the point of view which finds holding a small nation hostage to be acceptable.

I'm not getting into your messed up belief that it's acceptable to shoot at children. (Yes, yes...I know...The Palistinians have blown up children too, but I'm not defending that.)

Do you not understand that precieved social and political oppression leads to religious extremeism? bin Laden has even said that they dont hate our freedom or anything like that, he says if it were that they would attack Sweden. They are not angry at all Christian/Jewish, capitalist, free countries, just the ones they see as attacking them.
Did you not read the post where I originally brought up the subject of Al Qaeda? We were attacked because we sell weapons and help defend nations like Jordan and regimes like that of the house of Saud, which aren't sufficiently Islamic for Al Qaeda. By attacking us they think they can eliminate our support for those regimes and make them more vulnerable to an islamic revolution.

Sweden doesn't sell weapons to the Saudis or Jordanians. Sweden doesn't fight on behalf of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. It would be pointless for Al Qaeda to attack Sweden at this time.

It would be pointless for Al Qaeda to attack Sweden at this time.

That and they'd have to put up with Fass.

What do we get out of this "alliance"(very one sided btw) other than a waste of billions of tax dollars and a big target saying "please attack us terrorists." I think one of the reasons we still support them is because the jewish lobby has too much power in DC. There are more muslims in the US than jews, yet jews have far more power in government. It also seems to me this Iran problem has more to do with protecting Israel than it does the US. Why should Americans give their lives to protect the fake state of Israel when Israel doesnt even give us troops for Afghanistan or Iraq?
What DCD said and there are about equal amounts of muslims and jews in the US. It's not our fault we're more organized than Muslims. Fake state? Giving lives? Israel doesn't give troops because it doesn't want to start trouble. It never did, trouble came to it.

What do we get out of this "alliance"(very one sided btw) other than a waste of billions of tax dollars and a big target saying "please attack us terrorists." I think one of the reasons we still support them is because the jewish lobby has too much power in DC. There are more muslims in the US than jews, yet jews have far more power in government. It also seems to me this Iran problem has more to do with protecting Israel than it does the US. Why should Americans give their lives to protect the fake state of Israel when Israel doesnt even give us troops for Afghanistan or Iraq?
I think anti-semitic bastards such as yourself should be banned from using cellphones, any AIM like messenger, Windows XP, and any other products developed in Israel like the latest cancer meds. Then you'll see how important Israel is to us and the rest of the world. What great wonders have the Arabs brougth us? TERRORISM!!!

What great wonders have the Arabs brougth us? TERRORISM!!!
With fairness... they did do their bit over the past five thousand or so years, in different epochs.

What great wonders have the Arabs brougth us? TERRORISM!!!
Mathematics and astronomy? Your oil? Re-exported, yeah, but let's face it, Moses was no visionary when it comes to real estate.

Mathematics and astronomy? Your oil? Re-exported, yeah, but let's face it, Moses was no visionary when it comes to real estate.
AIM and cellphones are sooo much more important than maths ;)

I think anti-semitic bastards such as yourself should be banned from using cellphones, any AIM like messenger, Windows XP, and any other products developed in Israel like the latest cancer meds. Then you'll see how important Israel is to us and the rest of the world. What great wonders have the Arabs brougth us? TERRORISM!!!

Only if Islamophobes and similarily inclined types go too.

Others have pointed out the lack of accuracy in your last sentence. I suggest you check up on your facts before you rant.

I think anti-semitic bastards such as yourself should be banned from using cellphones, any AIM like messenger, Windows XP, and any other products developed in Israel like the latest cancer meds. Then you'll see how important Israel is to us and the rest of the world. What great wonders have the Arabs brougth us? TERRORISM!!!

In turn, racist bastards such as yourself should be banned from using mathematics, churches, the alphabet and anything else brought to us from arab nations, including oil.

What have the Arabs given to us since Islam took over in the Middle East? Nothing. They provided much to us before Mohammed conquered the Arabs who had been living in peace and forced Islam upon them.

In turn, racist bastards such as yourself should be banned from using mathematics, churches, the alphabet and anything else brought to us from arab nations, including oil.
Churches? And to be fair, only some math, like algorithms came from Arabs and oil could have been extracted by any group of people.

Way is it that no one seems to realyse that there is a difference between critesising the state of Israel (and its politics) and Jews in general?

Churches? And to be fair, only some math, like algorithms came from Arabs and oil could have been extracted by any group of people.

Algebra also came from the Arabs, I'm pretty sure.

And the US doesn't support Palestine? Remember the Oslo Accords? We made Israel fulfill their end of the bargain, but Arafat was bound by the agreement to stop terrorism. Yeah. He did a really great job at that. There was no reciprocity in this agreement. Aren't we the ones who donated 10 million dollars in medical equiptment to Palestinian hospitals last week? Was it not the US who contributed an immense amount of wealth to the PA in tax dollars each year, and when we cut it when Hamas was elected (I'll get on my soapbox about this in a second) the PA began to flounder? The US is vital to the survival of both states. If they chose to, they could kill either of them just by cutting funds. Israel has an economy outside of the US, so they'd live, but they'd be nowhere near as powerful.

Okay, onto Hamas being elected. Damn right Israel's pissed off! It's the equivalent of the US electing Osama bin Laden as president! I mean, seriously. Israel isn't opposed to democracy. But when a terrorist group is elected into office, they're opposed to the administration in power. I'm not opposed to democracy, but I don't like Bush. That doesn't make me a democracy hater because I disagree with a party in power. The argument is circular and makes no sense whatsoever.

Okay, onto Hamas being elected. Damn right Israel's pissed off! It's the equivalent of the US electing Osama bin Laden as president! I mean, seriously. Israel isn't opposed to democracy. But when a terrorist group is elected into office, they're opposed to the administration in power. I'm not opposed to democracy, but I don't like Bush. That doesn't make me a democracy hater because I disagree with a party in power. The argument is circular and makes no sense whatsoever.

Actually, it's the equivalent of the US electing GW Bush as president. We don't like him, think he's a terrorist...But we'll just have to live with it.

I think anti-semitic bastards such as yourself should be banned from using cellphones, any AIM like messenger, Windows XP, and any other products developed in Israel like the latest cancer meds. Then you'll see how important Israel is to us and the rest of the world. What great wonders have the Arabs brougth us? TERRORISM!!!

Ah yes. Anyone who criticizes Israel is "anti-semitic," and Arabs are all terrorists. Nice to see an unbiased Israeli viewpoint.

Algebra also came from the Arabs, I'm pretty sure.
I'd heard it was an Indian invention transmitted to Europe along with the Arabic name for it when Islam conquered India and became the main trade link between East and West.

And the US doesn't support Palestine? Remember the Oslo Accords? We made Israel fulfill their end of the bargain, .


So thats why a few hundred thousand settlers arrived after 92. It was the US making sure that Israel fufilled "their end of the bargain.


Israel isn't opposed to democracy..

...as long as it agrees with Israel. If the UN were a democracy Israel would have been forced out of the occupied territories by now. If it was interested in real democracy, why doesnt it hold a plebiscite amongst the Palestinians and see if they want to be occupied?

They're the only ones who don't hate the yanks...And the yanks are the only ones who don't hate Israel.

I don't hate Israel.

Of course, a good chunk of my family is from Israel. So I can't comment beyond that... way too biased.

I don't know. That sounds kinda liberal/socialist. :confused:
what investing? that is capitalism in a nut shell.

Israel is not a member of NATO.

NATO countries:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Map_of_NATO_countries2.png


Greenland is in NATO ???

who would attack them?

Greenland is in NATO ???

who would attack them?

Those pesky Irish. I betcha. Oohhhh yes. See? They're there. They're not in NATO. Can well ALLOW that?

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(Disclaimer: I am, in fact, part Irish, and soon to marry into an Irish family, so you are not allowed to shoot me for saying that. Nya.)

During World War II, the US, not believing reports that Hitler was setting out on a plan of mass extermination of Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, homosexuals, and other "inferiors", turned back several boatfuls of the above undesirables, which led to their rescue by German ships that promptly transported them over to Auschwitz, Theresienstadt, &c.
Bull fucking shit! FDR knew damn well what was going on.

Fact is, he was an anti-Semitic eugenics believing bastard. The Allies seized on every available piece of propaganda they could to rile people up for the war in Europe, a war that over half of Americans who lived in that time weren’t even really sure why they were in. The holocaust is the only thing they didn’t use, and it would have been damning to the Germans. FDR wanted the holocaust to go on as long as possible, the racist fuck.

The Allies didn’t even make any effort to bomb the railways after their generals were informed.

Besides, all the people who were in power then are dead. It is no one’s fault who lives now. We have no obligation even by those unreasonable standard.

UN, you are so very, very right. Israel is a liability which threatens to drag us into destructive conflict after destructive conflict. 9/11 would never have happened had we stopped supporting Israel.

Ah yes. Anyone who criticizes Israel is "anti-semitic," and Arabs are all terrorists. Nice to see an unbiased Israeli viewpoint.
Not to mention that Arabs are semites as well.

Could it be because if we were to leave them be, every one of their neighbors will invade, rape their women, torture the men, and excecute the children, just for being Israeli? Nah, that couldn't be.

But what I can't get is, why the fuck can't they let this shit die? I mean it was what? 60 years ago? Granted, if someone came, and kicked me out of my home which my family has lived in for generations, I'd be damn pissed too, but after 60 years, I'd start looking to make my life better, rather than make their life miserable.

But an even better question is, why are there still Palestinians in refugee camps? Why haven't any of their anti-Israel friends taken them in? They were all for an invasion to "Restore the lands that rightly belong to the palestinians", so why are they letting these refugees rot?

They're not anti-secular. The anti-secular people are the settlers in Gaza. Ever heard of Baruch Goldstein? Or Yitzhak Rabin?

Ever heard of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef), the spiritual leader of Shas, a coalition member?

Yeah, so what? Is there something wrong with that? I never heard that there was.

Yes. Goodbye.

Greenland is in NATO ???

who would attack them?

The yanks had a nuclear missiles there untill the 80's i think. Of course it wouldn't be a proper base without a proper scandal: Something "leaked" from the base and the Thule area where the base was is not habitable anymore because of radiation.

Greenland entered NATO to provide a reason for the americans to stay there.

Bull fucking shit! FDR knew damn well what was going on.

Fact is, he was an anti-Semitic eugenics believing bastard.

A eugenics believer with polio? uhm.

The yanks had a nuclear missiles there untill the 80's i think. Of course it wouldn't be a proper base without a proper scandal: Something "leaked" from the base and the Thule area where the base was is not habitable anymore because of radiation.

Greenland entered NATO to provide a reason for the americans to stay there.

You are correct on the nuclear weapon aspect...

However, Greenland is not a country. Denmark is.

And on your last point, you are confusing Greenland with Iceland

What have the Arabs given to us since Islam took over in the Middle East? Nothing. They provided much to us before Mohammed conquered the Arabs who had been living in peace and forced Islam upon them.

Oh right then, its not Arabs you are pissed at. Its just teh evil Muslims/Al Qaeda!1!one!! Riight.:rolleyes:

People don't really have free speech here, it's kinda why we have all these cool buttons. To make sure people don't speak too freely and say crazy stuff like calling each other assholes, posting images that are all blood, shit and eyeballs, etc. But some of us do debate, and we tend to be OK to get along with. We don't ensure we receive preferential treatment or anything.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

Just because it's a game created by an Australian and it runs on a British server; are you suggesting the first amendment doesn't apply here!?!?!?!?!

:p

A eugenics believer with polio? uhm.
What does polio have to do with eugenics? You aren’t born with that and people were well aware of it at the time.
Not to mention that FDR was as much in denial of his polio as Hitler was of his Jewish ancestry.

[QUOTE]But what I can't get is, why the fuck can't they let this shit die? I mean it was what? 60 years ago?
Actually I would love if the Israeli supporters would get over and drop what happened 60 years ago as well. However they used the Holocaust as an excuse to form Israel and now use it as an excuse to justify their violations of Palestinian human rights.

Granted, if someone came, and kicked me out of my home which my family has lived in for generations, I'd be damn pissed too, but after 60 years, I'd start looking to make my life better, rather than make their life miserable.
Its hard to make your life better when the same people who violated you 60years ago still occupy your land and control your life.

note: Im not saying forget about holocuast, Im just saying dont continually whine about it to justify unjust acts

What great wonders have the Arabs brougth us? TERRORISM!!!
Terrorism is not an arab invention, far from it. There are jewish Israeli terrorist organizations as well. Arabs have given us our number system which is the backbone of every tech invention you claim the Israelis invented(which they didnt) During the dark ages they also setup many of the worlds top librarys which led to advances in math and science. I could go on but its late.

Israel exists, for better or for worse. To try and erase it from the geopolitical map is frankly impractical at best and just fucking insane at its worst. However, the Israeli government really needs to review and reassess how its foreign policy (particularly with Palestine) is actually doing its security any good.

In my opinion, Israel is manifesting the Abused Child Syndrome. The Jews were persecuted and suffered countless shit throughout history. Only an absolute Nazi or attention whore would declare otherwise. But now that they have their own homeland and real power, I'm thinking that some of the people in charge are tripping on that power and are now wanting to have their fun at persecuting and kicking around other people like they were for ages.

And honestly, has bulldozing the homes of innocent and otherwise inflicting collateral damage in the name of national security done anything at all to curb suicide bombings and other attacks by desperate, fanatical Islamists? I think not. If anything, such draconian responses are throwing fuel to the proverbial fire of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

As for the US support, why is it needed? Israel is a self-sufficient country with much more modern military hardware and nuclear capabilities unlike its neighbors (nuclear capabilities nobody would have known about if not for Mordekai Venunu, I might add) so it's doubtful that they'll be "driven out to the sea" anytime soon unless it's a group bus tour to the coast.

Greenland is in NATO ???

who would attack them?

It's not a question of attacking them; it's their position. They are rather useful for stations to detect missiles.....

I'd heard it was an Indian invention transmitted to Europe along with the Arabic name for it when Islam conquered India and became the main trade link between East and West.

That's correct.

America supports Israel because it is convienient.

In my opinion, Israel is manifesting the Abused Child Syndrome. The Jews were persecuted and suffered countless shit throughout history. Only an absolute Nazi or attention whore would declare otherwise. But now that they have their own homeland and real power, I'm thinking that some of the people in charge are tripping on that power and are now wanting to have their fun at persecuting and kicking around other people like they were for ages.

Americo-Liberians, descended from former American slaves, turned around and did the same thing to indigenous Africans. Many adopted the attire, architecture, lifestyle, etc., of the antebellum South. Likewise, the Afrikaaners lost 26,000 people in concentration camps, and later became oppressors themselves, by implementing apartheid. I think it's safe to say that almost every oppressed group eventually becomes an oppressor.

America supports Israel because it is convienient.
No it isn’t. That’s the problem.

What does polio have to do with eugenics? You aren’t born with that and people were well aware of it at the time.
Not to mention that FDR was as much in denial of his polio as Hitler was of his Jewish ancestry.

Genetic predisposition. And I doubt FDR was in denial about it every time he got in or out of that wheelchair. It's not like just forgetting who your ancestry is.

You are correct on the nuclear weapon aspect...

However, Greenland is not a country. Denmark is.

And on your last point, you are confusing Greenland with Iceland


Greenland is a country, not an independant one, but still a country. You're right, they did enter NATO through denmark, but it was still for the stated reason and it was for the same reasons that they went on being members.

I'm not confusing Greenland with Iceland. I'm an Icelander and quite familiar with the situation. The situation was different in Iceland. The Yanks came in WW2, the situation benefitted both the Icelanders and the Americans. We got jobs and they got to play soldiers in the north-atlantic, so they just stayed on. (Well...They're leaving now, and after the summer of '06 they will be gone,finally. But Iceland will still remain a member of NATO). In Greenland, however, there were no negotiations, the natives had no say on wether they joined NATO and the they didn't benefit in any way. Natives were kicked out of their homes so there could be a missile base And when the cold war was over, the natives couldn't return to their homes because the area had been turned into a radioactive shithole (this story is pretty much repeated wherever Americans set foot in Greenland, but Kulusuk and the Thule base are the worst incidents.)
Our experience with them was much more pleasant one than the Greenlanders experience, even though the Americans probably did break the treaties they signed and kept nuclear missiles here.

the Reason the US started supporting the Isareal was because of the Large Jewish Vote thats all it was just away of staying in office .

I'm not confusing Greenland with Iceland. I'm an Icelander and quite familiar with the situation. The situation was different in Iceland. The Yanks came in WW2, the situation benefitted both the Icelanders and the Americans. We got jobs and they got to play soldiers in the north-atlantic, so they just stayed on. (Well...They're leaving now, and after the summer of '06 they will be gone,finally. But Iceland will still remain a member of NATO). In Greenland, however, there were no negotiations, the natives had no say on wether they joined NATO and the they didn't benefit in any way. Natives were kicked out of their homes so there could be a missile base And when the cold war was over, the natives couldn't return to their homes because the area had been turned into a radioactive shithole (this story is pretty much repeated wherever Americans set foot in Greenland, but Kulusuk and the Thule base are the worst incidents.)
Our experience with them was much more pleasant one than the Greenlanders experience, even though the Americans probably did break the treaties they signed and kept nuclear missiles here.

My only point was that Greenland itself didn't enter NATO- it was Denmark, Greenland didn't have a choice in the matter.

I didn't think US troops were ever stationed on Greenland territory (apart from the secret nuclear base), so when you said ''Greenland entered NATO to provide a reason for the americans to stay there", I thought that description fitted Iceland a bit more then Greenland/Denmark.

Apologies, I blame the guest lecturers from the University of Iceland, and the University of Southern Denmark for confusing me :p

What have the Arabs given to us since Islam took over in the Middle East? Nothing. They provided much to us before Mohammed conquered the Arabs who had been living in peace and forced Islam upon them.

The preserved much of western thought during the dark ages in Europe, including philosophy, art and especially mathematics. Arabs also developed amazing medical research in the middle ages, the discovery and treatment of a number of diseases such as meningitis and pleurisy.

What great wonders have the Arabs brougth us? TERRORISM!!!

As if the history of the jewish people isn't filled with your own little terroristic groups. The Old Testament is filled with damning evidence that Jews practiced 'terrorism' as well.

Isaiah 13:15-18
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Deuteronomy 2: 32-37
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

I think one of the reasons we still support them is because the jewish lobby has too much power in DC.

I don't know if that is true. I find the absense of a Jewish majority in politics to be an indicator of this. Jews have fared better in the fields of commerce finance, and entertainment than politics in the US. And what defines "too much power" anyway? For anti-semites it might well be any at all.

I am mystified by the US support of Israel as well. I think the whole creation of a state of Isreal was a horrible nation-building mistake, one that America won't readily own up to. However, since that state was created Israel has done a bang-up job of protecting it at the expense of the native peoples in that area. I think we should have created Israel on American soil rather than in the middle east, given them the state of Florida, for example. But America has been historically uni-directional in her land dealings, so that wouldn't have fit the mold. Instead a poverty stricken area of the world that was expected to provide little resistance was chosen, and the fact that it contains the holy city of Jerusalem is but a bonus.

I think there is a kinship between christianity and judaism because they share the Old Testament or Torah. That being said, their is ironically plenty of hate preached toward jews in America. Anti-semitism is something that is personally very difficult for me to understand and something that as the grandchild of unorthodox jews, I am very much interested in.

Great topic, btw.

I think anti-semitic bastards such as yourself should be banned from using cellphones, any AIM like messenger, Windows XP, and any other products developed in Israel like the latest cancer meds. Then you'll see how important Israel is to us and the rest of the world. What great wonders have the Arabs brougth us? TERRORISM!!!

terrorism...and our numerical system oh and they carried all the stuff china invented to europe for us to use like silk, gunpowder, compasses, and hoes (the farming tool you perverts) oh and just for your information the word Semite means someone who speaks a language from the middle east such as ARABIC nice job on contradicting yourself. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semite

Because we made the nation and have a hand in what happens to it, it would be a bitch move to let millions of men WEMON AND CHILDREN get massacred due to their ethnic heritage/religion.

Yeah it would. Wish you had been around in the the mid 1800's when we were doing that very thing to Native Americans. Maybe you could have stopped it.

terrorism...and our numerical system oh and they carried all the stuff china invented to europe for us to use like silk, gunpowder, compasses, and hoes (the farming tool you perverts) oh and just for your information the word Semite means someone who speaks a language from the middle east such as ARABIC nice job on contradicting yourself. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semite
Our numerical system came from India through Arabia and finally to Europe.

The modern system of numeration is based on place value, with the same symbol, such as 4, taking on different meaning (4, 40, 400, etc.) depending on its location within the representation of the number. Place value notation was used long ago in Babylonian cuneiform numerals, but our modern decimal place value system was invented by Hindu mathematicians in India, probably by the sixth century and perhaps even earlier. The modern numerals 1, 2, 3, ..., are sometimes called "Arabic" numerals in the West because they were introduced to Europeans by Arab scholars. The key figure was the great Arab mathematician Mohammed ibn-Musa al-Khowarizmi, who taught at Baghdad sometime between 800 and 850. He wrote a book on the Hindu number system known today only in a later Latin translation as De numero indorum, "On the Hindu numbers." Subsequently he wrote a longer and very influential work, Al-jabr w'al muqabalah, known in Europe as Algebra, which included all the techniques of arithmetic still taught in schools today. The author's name, Latinized as "Algorismus," is the root of the English word "algorithm".http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/roman.html

In fact, if it weren't for knowledge preserved from Greece and Rome, and knoledge plundered from India the Arabs would have been just as ignorant as the Europeans at that point in history.

US supports Israel because it feels guilty about turning back boatloads of Jews during the Holocaust and sending them back to Germany to get slaughtered by Hitler.

OK, that makes sense. I didn't know that. It wasn't taught in any history class I ever took. Do you know of a book that I could read about this very thing?

More like hurtling a station-wagon through the air.....

LOL:p

And the US doesn't support Palestine? Remember the Oslo Accords? We made Israel fulfill their end of the bargain, but Arafat was bound by the agreement to stop terrorism. Yeah. He did a really great job at that. There was no reciprocity in this agreement. Aren't we the ones who donated 10 million dollars in medical equiptment to Palestinian hospitals last week? Was it not the US who contributed an immense amount of wealth to the PA in tax dollars each year, and when we cut it when Hamas was elected (I'll get on my soapbox about this in a second) the PA began to flounder? The US is vital to the survival of both states. If they chose to, they could kill either of them just by cutting funds.

I play Civilization IV. One of the stategies I employ is to share technology or assets with a smaller, less advanced warring nation in order to keep them at war longer. This eventually drains the economies of two nations, enabling me to gain a wide birth of superiority. My uncle sam would be proud.

A eugenics believer with polio? uhm.

Polio is not genetic. LOL

Polio is not genetic. LOL

Hurh hurh, you're the second to post that LOL. Hurh hurh, it doesn't matter LOL. People who believe in eugenics would believe that susceptibility to viral infections IS based on the quality of genetic makeup. So hurh hurh, the point is relevant. Lawl.

America supports Israel because it is convienient.

How do you figure?

Supporting Israel is far from the path of least resistance...

Our numerical system came from India through Arabia and finally to Europe.

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/roman.html

In fact, if it weren't for knowledge preserved from Greece and Rome, and knoledge plundered from India the Arabs would have been just as ignorant as the Europeans at that point in history.


Just full of loathing aren't you? Won't do any good though. Your nonsense won't change history.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduction/woi_knowledge.html#30