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I don't generally support the wearing of red shirts [Black being more my thing:rolleyes: ], but I like this reason.

It doesn't matter if you are for or against the war as long as you care about the troops.

RED FRIDAYS ----- Very soon, you will see a great many! people wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Americans who support our troops used to be called the "silent majority". We are no longer silent, and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record breaking numbers. We are not organized, boisterous or over-bearing. We get no media coverage on TV, to reflect our message or our opinions.

Many Americans, like you, me and all our friends, simply want to recognize that the vast majority of America supports our troops. Our idea of showing solidarity and support for our troops with dignity and respect starts this Friday -and continues each and every Friday until the troops all come home, sending a deafening message that.. Every red-blooded American who supports our men and women afar will wear something red

By word of mouth, press, TV -- let's make the United States on every Friday a sea of red much like a homecoming football game in the bleachers. If every one of us who loves this country will share this with acquaintances, co-workers, friends, and family. It will not be long before the USA is covered in RED and it will let our troops know the once "silent" majority is on their side more than ever, certainly more than the media lets on.

The first thing a soldier says when asked "What can we do to make things better for you?" is...We need your support and your prayers. Let's get the word out and lead with class and dignity, by example; and wear some thing red every Friday.

IF YOU AGREE -- THEN SEND THIS ON

What is this supposed to be accomplishing?

While I did not fail to note your "preference for black" (which makes me want to point out some highly ironic things), I cannot help but think about Giuseppe Garibaldi.

In any case, this gives new meaning to the phrase "Better dead than red".

What is this supposed to be accomplishing?
the same thing wearing a ribbon does. shows support.

but why red? as a fan of Star Trek:The Original Series... I find it rather... omninous to have so many "Red Shirts" around.

our love for God, country

Ugh. Sickening.

the same thing wearing a ribbon does. shows support.



And that means what?

the same thing wearing a ribbon does. shows support.

but why red? as a fan of Star Trek:The Original Series... I find it rather... omninous to have so many "Red Shirts" around.
I don't know why they picked red, makes me think of commies and gangs, but that's the color they picked, so that's the color I follow.

Ugh. Sickening.
Yea, I guess they had to slip that in there. Probably gonna drop the number of people who do this, but oh well, not my call.

Ugh. Sickening.
*hands bucket and a bottle of water.*
You miss, you clean up the mess.

And that means what?
don't know what it means, just that it accomplishes the same thing.

don't know what it means, just that it accomplishes the same thing.

What, nothing?

Seriously, what does it mean to "support the troops", and how does one go about doing it? Somebody help me out here.

What is this supposed to be accomplishing?
The obeying of the Chain Letter/E-mail command. If you don't, you will be driven to madness.

What, nothing?

Seriously, what does it mean to "support the troops", and how does one go about doing it? Somebody help me out here.
It means that hold their hair back when they are throwing up.

The obeying of the Chain Letter/E-mail command. If you don't, you will be driven to madness.

I think I'll choose madness if the alternative is to write in purple like some fruit.

I think I'll choose madness if the alternative is to write in purple like some fruit.
No no, purple is the couleur du jour with the Fascists...

I don't generally support the wearing of red shirts [Black being more my thing:rolleyes: ], but I like this reason.

It doesn't matter if you are for or against the war as long as you care about the troops.

RED FRIDAYS ----- Very soon, you will see a great many! people wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Americans who support our troops used to be called the "silent majority". We are no longer silent, and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record breaking numbers. We are not organized, boisterous or over-bearing. We get no media coverage on TV, to reflect our message or our opinions.

Many Americans, like you, me and all our friends, simply want to recognize that the vast majority of America supports our troops. Our idea of showing solidarity and support for our troops with dignity and respect starts this Friday -and continues each and every Friday until the troops all come home, sending a deafening message that.. Every red-blooded American who supports our men and women afar will wear something red

By word of mouth, press, TV -- let's make the United States on every Friday a sea of red much like a homecoming football game in the bleachers. If every one of us who loves this country will share this with acquaintances, co-workers, friends, and family. It will not be long before the USA is covered in RED and it will let our troops know the once "silent" majority is on their side more than ever, certainly more than the media lets on.

The first thing a soldier says when asked "What can we do to make things better for you?" is...We need your support and your prayers. Let's get the word out and lead with class and dignity, by example; and wear some thing red every Friday.

IF YOU AGREE -- THEN SEND THIS ON

Blah. Right. Support our troops by sending them off to die? Support troops by wearing... uh, a red ribbon?

Yeah and anyone who doesn't wear one, well, you know what they are. TRAITORS!

I think red was chosen because brown shirts had negative connotations.

What, nothing?

Seriously, what does it mean to "support the troops", and how does one go about doing it? Somebody help me out here.
seriously? The best way to "Support the troops" is to donate items to the boys out there. things they can only get at home or might be harder to get in the feild. if there is a military base near where you live, ask them and they can give you some ideas.

things like magazines, batteries... can't remember what else tho.

I write to my friends stationed there, both snail mail as well as e-mail. send news, tape shows whatever.

other than that, participate in things like this and hope that news travels to them. you may not believe in God, (and some of our troops don't) but they do appreciate the thought that they are not seen as villians by all of our citizens.

seriously? The best way to "Support the troops" is to donate items to the boys out there. things they can only get at home or might be harder to get in the feild. if there is a military base near where you live, ask them and they can give you some ideas.

things like magazines, batteries... can't remember what else tho.

I write to my friends stationed there, both snail mail as well as e-mail. send news, tape shows whatever.

other than that, participate in things like this and hope that news travels to them. you may not believe in God, (and some of our troops don't) but they do appreciate the thought that they are not seen as villians by all of our citizens.
Ah, yeah... Militarism.
And where does wearing shirts or ribbons come into this? Does it say "Look, I have batteries to donate, so I must dress up like the guys that gave Sicily to Vittorio Emanuelle"? Herd mentality.

seriously? The best way to "Support the troops" is to donate items to the boys out there. things they can only get at home or might be harder to get in the feild. if there is a military base near where you live, ask them and they can give you some ideas.

things like magazines, batteries... can't remember what else tho.

I write to my friends stationed there, both snail mail as well as e-mail. send news, tape shows whatever.

other than that, participate in things like this and hope that news travels to them. you may not believe in God, (and some of our troops don't) but they do appreciate the thought that they are not seen as villians by all of our citizens.

Okay, yes, actually sending them stuff is a genuine show of support.

As far as this red shirt bullshit, I don't buy it. Simply saying "I support the troops", or wearing clothes to indicate that you do, is not a means of support at all, any more than wearing a shirt that says "murder sucks" is a means of fighting crime. If I wear a red shirt, what are people supposed to infer?

I think I'll choose madness if the alternative is to write in purple like some fruit.
May I ask why you must insult me? All I have done is attempt to further something to any people who share my opinion. I have done nothing to you, all you've done is come into the topic, insulted the idea and then insulted me.

For the record, I post in purple because a while back on a website I held a staff position on we had these weeks where all staff members did something as a group...to show that the staff wasn't a bunch of people disconnected from the other members. One week we had everybody post in purple and I liked the way it looks.

Blah. Right. Support our troops by sending them off to die? Support troops by wearing... uh, a red ribbon?

Yeah and anyone who doesn't wear one, well, you know what they are. TRAITORS!

I think red was chosen because brown shirts had negative connotations.
Dude, this is not a pro-war, racist or pro-Bush thing...at least not as far as it's written. I myself am currently anti-War, but while I say that I also like it to be known that I do not hate the troops for what is going on.

seriously? The best way to "Support the troops" is to donate items to the boys out there. things they can only get at home or might be harder to get in the feild. if there is a military base near where you live, ask them and they can give you some ideas.

things like magazines, batteries... can't remember what else tho.

I write to my friends stationed there, both snail mail as well as e-mail. send news, tape shows whatever.

other than that, participate in things like this and hope that news travels to them. you may not believe in God, (and some of our troops don't) but they do appreciate the thought that they are not seen as villians by all of our citizens.
If you have the money, then do this too. However, I don't always have the money to send things to the troops, but I can always pull out an old red shirt and put it on.

Okay, yes, actually sending them stuff is a genuine show of support.

As far as this red shirt bullshit, I don't buy it. Simply saying "I support the troops", or wearing clothes to indicate that you do, is not a means of support at all, any more than wearing a shirt that says "murder sucks" is a means of fighting crime. If I wear a red shirt, what are people supposed to infer?
wearing red is the same as all those Awareness ribbons that became popular from about a decade ago. You know thoses, red for Aid victims, Black and White for Anti-Racism, Cream colored for Paralysis awareness, Lavendar for Cancer Awareness... http://www.personalizedcause.com/ (more here)

it makes some people feel good that their situation is not taken for granted, it makes others feel good that they are showing support, but in general, it does nothing practical except raise morale of those going through it.

If you have the money, then do this too. However, I don't always have the money to send things to the troops, but I can always pull out an old red shirt and put it on.
and that's great, you can show support in many ways. but sending something doesn't have to be in quantitiy. buying an extra 2-pack of batteries to send, or an extra package of razors, or even a magazine or two. or even a pack of gum. Don't know about all bases/recruitment offices, but some here where I live, have drop off boxes where items are sent out if not specifically labled for someone/unit.

May I ask why you must insult me? All I have done is attempt to further something to any people who share my opinion. I have done nothing to you, all you've done is come into the topic, insulted the idea and then insulted me.

So you find being referred to as homosexual insulting? I'm insulted that you find it insulting.

For the record, I post in purple because a while back on a website I held a staff position on we had these weeks where all staff members did something as a group...to show that the staff wasn't a bunch of people disconnected from the other members. One week we had everybody post in purple and I liked the way it looks.

These are not those forums, and posting in bold, purple text is a violation of netiquette on this board, is disruptive and quite annoying in the way it whores for attention. Please refrain from doing it in the future.

These are not those forums, and posting in bold, purple text is a violation of netiquette on this board, is disruptive and quite annoying in the way it whores for attention. Please refrain from doing it in the future.
it is? seriously?

never saw that written in the rules... let me double check that.

i love this idea

for me it would be a statement of the blood shed by our troops in this stupid useless war. 2400+ dead, so very many more tragically wounded.

blood red is the best color to choose.

and that's great, you can show support in many ways. but sending something doesn't have to be in quantitiy. buying an extra 2-pack of batteries to send, or an extra package of razors, or even a magazine or two. or even a pack of gum. Don't know about all bases/recruitment offices, but some here where I live, have drop off boxes where items are sent out if not specifically labled for someone/unit.
I used to do that, but at the moment I don't have a job and next to no money.
So you find being referred to as homosexual insulting? I'm insulted that you find it insulting.
Well of course I find something that isn't true insulting.


These are not those forums, and posting in bold, purple text is a violation of netiquette on this board, is disruptive and quite annoying in the way it whores for attention. Please refrain from doing it in the future.
And yet you couldn't tell me that you found it annoying? Had somebody asked me to stop I would have made some effort to stop, however, because you chose to insult me I no longer respect your opinion and as such will not do as you ask.

Now, if a few other people would like me to stop I will try. I can't say I will manage to do it every time as it's hard for me to break a habit, but I'll give it a shot.
i love this idea

for me it would be a statement of the blood shed by our troops in this stupid useless war. 2400+ dead, so very many more tragically wounded.

blood red is the best color to choose.
I guess when you look at it like that the color does make sense.

I don't generally support the wearing of red shirts [Black being more my thing:rolleyes: ], but I like this reason.

It doesn't matter if you are for or against the war as long as you care about the troops.

RED FRIDAYS ----- Very soon, you will see a great many! people wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Americans who support our troops used to be called the "silent majority". We are no longer silent, and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record breaking numbers. We are not organized, boisterous or over-bearing. We get no media coverage on TV, to reflect our message or our opinions.

Many Americans, like you, me and all our friends, simply want to recognize that the vast majority of America supports our troops. Our idea of showing solidarity and support for our troops with dignity and respect starts this Friday -and continues each and every Friday until the troops all come home, sending a deafening message that.. Every red-blooded American who supports our men and women afar will wear something red

By word of mouth, press, TV -- let's make the United States on every Friday a sea of red much like a homecoming football game in the bleachers. If every one of us who loves this country will share this with acquaintances, co-workers, friends, and family. It will not be long before the USA is covered in RED and it will let our troops know the once "silent" majority is on their side more than ever, certainly more than the media lets on.

The first thing a soldier says when asked "What can we do to make things better for you?" is...We need your support and your prayers. Let's get the word out and lead with class and dignity, by example; and wear some thing red every Friday.

IF YOU AGREE -- THEN SEND THIS ON
Hmm ... well ... looks good to me .... wait .... red?! RED? :eek:
COMMUNIST!!!!! COMMUNIST!!!!!

I used to do that, but at the moment I don't have a job and next to no money.
as one who was in that posistion (and still am.. broke that is) I sympathise completely. :cool:

Stop stealing the color red. If you want to have a day to cheer on militarism, use blue or yellow or something; red is already taken.

May I ask why you must insult me? All I have done is attempt to further something to any people who share my opinion. I have done nothing to you, all you've done is come into the topic, insulted the idea and then insulted me.

For the record, I post in purple because a while back on a website I held a staff position on we had these weeks where all staff members did something as a group...to show that the staff wasn't a bunch of people disconnected from the other members. One week we had everybody post in purple and I liked the way it looks.

I'm afraid Fass is just one of those reactionary homophobes that still inhabit our forum. Don't take it personally; your sexual orientation is none of my business, and I will respect your choice to type in purple if it helps.

Hmmm, interesting idea. If it caught on, however, would it not undermine your 'anti-war' aims? The reason for this is twofold: a) politicians will use it an an endorsement for belligerency; b) if it were so successful it would coerce a sense of nationalism out of those who wish to remain silent, and surely that goes against that whole 'oppressed silent majority' thing in the first place?

Stop stealing the color red. If you want to have a day to cheer on militarism, use blue or yellow or something; red is already taken.
Red was first taken to represent the blood spilled by our soldiers defending our way of life. it was displayed in every State, County and City long before it represented anything else.

...I don't support the troops.

Mainly becuase I don't support people who kill other people.

Red was first taken to represent the blood spilled by our soldiers defending our way of life. it was displayed in every State, County and City long before it represented anything else.
What about the Redcoats?

Red was first taken to represent the blood spilled by our soldiers defending our way of life. it was displayed in every State, County and City long before it represented anything else.

Starting when?

Well of course I find something that isn't true insulting.

It is insulting that you find homosexuality insulting. Not all of us are heterosexual, and we don't all appreciate how you're assuming that it is an insult.

And yet you couldn't tell me that you found it annoying?

To be frank, one wonders how blind you are not to see how annoying and pathetically attention-whorish it is.

Had somebody asked me to stop I would have made some effort to stop, however, because you chose to insult me I no longer respect your opinion and as such will not do as you ask.

I shall promptly go and cry myself to sleep. Right after I set-up greasemonkey (http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/) to strip any post made by you of all its formatting. See, I wasn't asking for myself, I was asking so you'd spare yourself the trouble the last person who wrote in such an annoying way (this person capitalised every beginning letter of every word) had to go through, before he was ultimately deleted. So, suit yourself.

Starting when?
the American Flag. Red Stripes were used to represent the blood spilled by our soldiers in our fight for freedom.

the American Flag. Red Stripes were used to represent the blood spilled by our soldiers in our fight for freedom.
The British soldiers wore red first. Pwned.

What about the Redcoats?
they chose red (and if anyone has a different reason, please share) to hide when their officers were shot, red blood doesn't show on red fabric easily. that way, the rest of the troops don't loose morale when their officers were wounded.

Red was first taken to represent the blood spilled by our soldiers defending our way of life.

and by that you mean pirates declaring "no quarter"?

but why red? as a fan of Star Trek:The Original Series... I find it rather... omninous to have so many "Red Shirts" around.
I think it's because blood is also red. It's arguably the most symbolic colour.

the American Flag. Red Stripes were used to represent the blood spilled by our soldiers in our fight for freedom.
Says wikipedia:

"When the Second Continental Congress proposed the Flag Resolution on June 14, 1777, there was no particular symbolism attached to the colors or their arrangement on the flag. However, on June 20, 1782, Charles Thomson, the secretary of the Continental Congress, gave a report to the Congress defining the new Great Seal of the United States. Meanings were attached to the colors (which, contrary to popular misinformation, is not part of any of the rules of heraldry). Rather, the meanings were a matter of contemporary fashion and personal preference on the part of Mr. Thomson.

"The colors of the pales are those used in the flag of the United States of America. White signifies purity and innocence. Red hardiness and valour and Blue the colour of the Chief signifies vigilance perseverance and justice." "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_States

The British soldiers wore red first. Pwned.
they wore red so that blood won't show easily. inother words to make them look brave and fierce. and who wore Red? their soldiers! Pwned back!

they chose red (and if anyone has a different reason, please share) to hide when their officers were shot, red blood doesn't show on red fabric easily. that way, the rest of the troops don't loose morale when their officers were wounded.
My point was that the Redcoats were around as "teh evil" in colonial America. Red simply has no special meaning in America.

Says wikipedia:

"When the Second Continental Congress proposed the Flag Resolution on June 14, 1777, there was no particular symbolism attached to the colors or their arrangement on the flag. However, on June 20, 1782, Charles Thomson, the secretary of the Continental Congress, gave a report to the Congress defining the new Great Seal of the United States. Meanings were attached to the colors (which, contrary to popular misinformation, is not part of any of the rules of heraldry). Rather, the meanings were a matter of contemporary fashion and personal preference on the part of Mr. Thomson.

"The colors of the pales are those used in the flag of the United States of America. White signifies purity and innocence. Red hardiness and valour and Blue the colour of the Chief signifies vigilance perseverance and justice."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_Statesand what is usually the color for Hardiness and what was the "Badge of Valor?" Red. Wikipedia is still true in that reguards and does not prove the color wrong.

the American Flag. Red Stripes were used to represent the blood spilled by our soldiers in our fight for freedom.

So do we have "Star Fridays" where we celebrate federalism? Or "Stripe Fridays" where we celebrate the colonies?

I would understand "Red, White, and Blue Fridays," I guess. But not "Red Fridays."

and what is usually the color for Hardiness and what was the "Badge of Valor?" Red. Wikipedia is still true in that reguards and does not prove the color wrong.
What part of "When the Second Continental Congress proposed the Flag Resolution on June 14, 1777, there was no particular symbolism attached to the colors or their arrangement on the flag" don't you get? What part of "Meanings were attached to the colors (which, contrary to popular misinformation, is not part of any of the rules of heraldry)" don't you get? What part of "on June 20, 1782" or "Rather, the meanings were a matter of contemporary fashion and personal preference on the part of Mr. Thomson" was hard to read?

My point was that the Redcoats were around as "teh evil" in colonial America. Red simply has no special meaning in America.
and my post was in reply to this one.
Stop stealing the color red. If you want to have a day to cheer on militarism, use blue or yellow or something; red is already taken.
were red was worn by the military far longer than for anything else. (other than perhaps Royalty.)

never said it was an AMERICAN color, just that it was used by the military longer than other reasons.

So do we have "Star Fridays" where we celebrate federalism? Or "Stripe Fridays" where we celebrate the colonies?

I would understand "Red, White, and Blue Fridays," I guess. But not "Red Fridays."
you can start one.

We are no longer silent, and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record breaking numbers.
other than that, participate in things like this and hope that news travels to them. you may not believe in God, (and some of our troops don't) but they do appreciate the thought that they are not seen as villians by all of our citizens.
I don't see how God has anything to do with this matter.

So you find being referred to as homosexual insulting? I'm insulted that you find it insulting.

You didn't call him a homosexual, you called him a fruit (http://www.hormel.com/images/glossary/p/pear_forelle.jpg).

What part of "When the Second Continental Congress proposed the Flag Resolution on June 14, 1777, there was no particular symbolism attached to the colors or their arrangement on the flag" don't you get? What part of "Meanings were attached to the colors (which, contrary to popular misinformation, is not part of any of the rules of heraldry)" don't you get? What part of "on June 20, 1782" or "Rather, the meanings were a matter of contemporary fashion and personal preference on the part of Mr. Thomson" was hard to read?
Says wikipedia:

"When the Second Continental Congress proposed the Flag Resolution on June 14, 1777, there was no particular symbolism attached to the colors or their arrangement on the flag. However, on June 20, 1782, Charles Thomson, the secretary of the Continental Congress, gave a report to the Congress defining the new Great Seal of the United States. Meanings were attached to the colors (which, contrary to popular misinformation, is not part of any of the rules of heraldry). Rather, the meanings were a matter of contemporary fashion and personal preference on the part of Mr. Thomson.

"The colors of the pales are those used in the flag of the United States of America. White signifies purity and innocence. Red hardiness and valour and Blue the colour of the Chief signifies vigilance perseverance and justice." "
read your post again.

What is this supposed to be accomplishing?
Increasing sales of red shirts, is my guess. Who started this chain-letter, a Gap shareholder?

Stop stealing the color red. If you want to have a day to cheer on militarism, use blue or yellow or something; red is already taken.
Red is an appropriate anti-war colour, isn't it? (Not the same as socialism, but definitely opposite to militarism.)

never said it was an AMERICAN color, just that it was used by the military longer than other reasons.

Fair enough. My original post was tongue-in-cheek; I find it funny the way the American Right was adopted red as its banner, despite certain prior associations.

And before somebody asks, the partisan implications of this observance are obvious; the attacks on the media and the reference to Nixon's "silent majority" make it quite clear.

never said it was an AMERICAN color, just that it was used by the military longer than other reasons.
So, it is a universal thing? Let me tell you that it was the Imperial colour in tradition (the emperors were the only ones allowed allowed to wear scarlet clothes - which some sources mistakenly consider to be "purple"). It was also a colour of very different meanings in isolate cultures.
For the English, it represented Britain for a long time (reason why it passed into the civil badge).

There you go: the colour does not have either a "universal" (military or civilian) use, nor does it have an American one (as you say yourself). If you want to talk about tradition, very different meanings precede by far the "meaning" that is in fact a personal POV you thought of just a few minutes ago.

EDIT:btw, this answers to post #50 as well. Not to mention that the supposed meaning was passed into the thing in 1782, according to Mr. Thomson preference and the taste of the times, after the stars and stripes came to be. This further indicates that the colour means nothing, not even in America.

I don't see how God has anything to do with this matter.

RED FRIDAYS ----- Very soon, you will see a great many! people wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Americans who support our troops used to be called the "silent majority". We are no longer silent, and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record breaking numbers. We are not organized, boisterous or over-bearing. We get no media coverage on TV, to reflect our message or our opinions.

[snip]it was in the OP. I bolded it. and some take this to be a "Support Christianity" only thing. :rolleyes:
You didn't call him a homosexual, you called him a fruit (http://www.hormel.com/images/glossary/p/pear_forelle.jpg).the common insult for a Homosexual is, or was, Fruit.

Red is an appropriate anti-war colour, isn't it? (Not the same as socialism, but definitely opposite to militarism.)

Well, not really. Red as a leftist symbol has its origin in revolutionary movements, not pacifist ones. Then you have its use by the Soviets, not the biggest pacifists around.

So, it is a universal thing? Let me tell you that it was the Imperial colour in tradition (the emperors were the only ones allowed allowed to wear scarlet clothes - which some sources mistakenly consider to be "purple"). It was also a colour of very different meanings in isolate cultures.
For the English, it represented Britain for a long time (reason why it passed into the civil badge).

There you go: the colour does not have either a "universal" (military or civilian) use, nor does it have an American one (as you say yourself). If you want to talk about tradition, very different meanings precede by far the "meaning" that is in fact a personal POV you thought of just a few minutes ago.

EDIT:btw, this answers to post #50 as well. Not to mention that the supposed meaning was passed into the thing in 1782, according to Mr. Thomson preference and the taste of the times, after the stars and stripes came to be. This further indicates that the colour means nothing, not even in America.I never said it had a Universal meaing. just that it was used in the Military far longer than anything else. and I did make the concession for Royalty. Neither did I say it was an American thing. you inferred that. I did not state it.

while that was the orignal intent, common usage does make changes. if that were not the case, then the term "A wall of seperation between church and state" would not hold the meaning it did when Jefferson first wrote it. neither would the first amendment which states that the Government would not "endorse one religion over another."
however, common useage changed the original intent of both phrases to mean something different and in one case, opposite of what the original intent was.

The Spartans wore red tunics to help conceal flesh wounds, and gained a reputation as indomitable fighters due in part to this practice.

while that was the orignal intent, common usage does make changes. if that were not the case, then the term "A wall of seperation between church and state" would not hold the meaning it did when Jefferson first wrote it. neither would the first amendment which states that the Government would not "endorse one religion over another."
however, common useage changed the original intent of both phrases to mean something different and in one case, opposite of what the original intent was.
What is the "original intent" in this case? Again: the colour was in use with very different meanings, including one very dear to the original bad guys (Redcoats); there was no tradition you can prove, and the flag was "given meaning" after it had been adopted for some good years.
Furthermore, you were asked about its meaning by Americans, so you cannot say that it is "common usage".

What is this supposed to be accomplishing?
Nothing. It's a silly e-mail chain letter that's been kicking around for years now.

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I never said it had a Universal meaing. just that it was used in the Military far longer than anything else. and I did make the concession for Royalty. Neither did I say it was an American thing. you inferred that. I did not state it.
Whose military? Britain's? Does that make sense to you? Especially since the Americans wore either blue or whatever they-had-to-wear-at-home in the independence war (of course, they did not need to conceal wounds, because Americans seldomly get injured in Mel Gibson movies).
And where did I say that it was the colour "of royalty"?

What is the "original intent" in this case? Again: the colour was in use with very different meanings, including one very dear to the original bad guys (Redcoats); there was no tradition you can prove, and the flag was "given meaning" after it had been adopted for some good years.
Furthermore, you were asked about its meaning by Americans, so you cannot say that it is "common usage".
you were trying to prove original intent. so go ahead and answer yourself.

and name any use outside of the military (and yes, Royalty were also the heads of their own Military) where Red was both common, uniformily, and / or traditionally used in the past.

I don't generally support the wearing of red shirts [Black being more my thing:rolleyes: ], but I like this reason.

It doesn't matter if you are for or against the war as long as you care about the troops.

RED FRIDAYS ----- Very soon, you will see a great many! people wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Americans who support our troops used to be called the "silent majority". We are no longer silent, and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record breaking numbers. We are not organized, boisterous or over-bearing. We get no media coverage on TV, to reflect our message or our opinions.

Many Americans, like you, me and all our friends, simply want to recognize that the vast majority of America supports our troops. Our idea of showing solidarity and support for our troops with dignity and respect starts this Friday -and continues each and every Friday until the troops all come home, sending a deafening message that.. Every red-blooded American who supports our men and women afar will wear something red

By word of mouth, press, TV -- let's make the United States on every Friday a sea of red much like a homecoming football game in the bleachers. If every one of us who loves this country will share this with acquaintances, co-workers, friends, and family. It will not be long before the USA is covered in RED and it will let our troops know the once "silent" majority is on their side more than ever, certainly more than the media lets on.

The first thing a soldier says when asked "What can we do to make things better for you?" is...We need your support and your prayers. Let's get the word out and lead with class and dignity, by example; and wear some thing red every Friday.

IF YOU AGREE -- THEN SEND THIS ON

Dude, I see right through you...I know you're the "Nigerian businessman" who keeps sending me those emails saying you desperately need my "financial aid".

Whose military?it doesn't matter, any military. Britain's? Does that make sense to you?make sense to me that Britan wore Red. Especially since the Americans wore either blue or whatever they-had-to-wear-at-home in the independence waryep. ours were a low-in-funds, raggy bunch of misfits back then. (of course, they did not need to conceal wounds, because Americans seldomly get injured in Mel Gibson movies).if you take Mel Gibson's works as facts... then there is no arguing with you. :rolleyes: ;) and obviously you never saw the movie if you think that it portrayed Americans as being uninjured. (remarkably advanced medicine yes, but uninjured... no.
And where did I say that it was the colour "of royalty"?
post 54.
So, it is a universal thing? Let me tell you that it was the Imperial colour in tradition (the emperors were the only ones allowed allowed to wear scarlet clothes - which some sources mistakenly consider to be "purple"). It was also a colour of very different meanings in isolate cultures.Are you alright? can't keep track of your arguments?

Dude, I see right through you...I know you're the "Nigerian businessman" who keeps sending me those emails saying you desperately need my "financial aid".
so now he want us to wear red shirts... perhaps he has stock in a company that makes that dye... :p

you were trying to prove original intent. so go ahead and answer yourself.
What kind of twist is this? I had asked you if this theory of yours about the meaning of the colour can ammass any proof to be backed.

and name any use outside of the military (and yes, Royalty were also the heads of their own Military) where Red was both common, uniformily, and / or traditionally used in the past.
Again, not "Royalty". Emperors and only Emperors.
If you say "of tradition with the military", I have to point out that it was not even in use with the American military! Again, it was in use with their enemies. In fact: if we are to confine ourselves to the European sphere in the period (and long before and long after), it was used only by the British. All other armies used other colours, so red was not a "requirement" (it would be absurd to invent uniforms so that everybody may have the same colour). This might come as news to you, but the world expands beyond the US and UK (only just).

It is insulting that you find homosexuality insulting. Not all of us are heterosexual, and we don't all appreciate how you're assuming that it is an insult.
The homosexuality is not the major part [I have been called gay before, but it's never been a problem], but the use of the words "some fruit" which in and of itself is applied almost exclusively as an insult.

To be frank, one wonders how blind you are not to see how annoying and pathetically attention-whorish it is.
It started when I was 14, I've done it for several years and tend to frequent boards where many of the members have their own chosen colors. So on those websites it's not being an attention whore, it's just choosing a color you like. It does stand out here on Jolt, but nobody ever mentioned my post's color being a problem, so why should I believe something I've done for years is wrong?

Like I said, alerting me to the problem is what I would need. And not only did you insult me, but you did not give me any reason to think that there was a problem with the color purple in your first post. [I do thank you for pointing out greasemonkey, I myself may look into that...]

I ask that others who dislike my posting in purple to please alert me.


I shall promptly go and cry myself to sleep. Right after I set-up greasemonkey to strip any post made by you of all its formatting. See, I wasn't asking for myself, I was asking so you'd spare yourself the trouble the last person who wrote in such an annoying way (this person capitalised every beginning letter of every word) had to go through, before he was ultimately deleted. So, suit yourself.
You werent ASKING at all. I don't care how you read my posts, that's your business. But if you should at least be kind enough to not


don't see how God has anything to do with this matter.
It isn't and it was a probably a bad idea to try and slip it in there at all, but there's no pint in me cutting any of it out.

Dude, I see right through you...I know you're the "Nigerian businessman" who keeps sending me those emails saying you desperately need my "financial aid".
How did you know?!
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post 54.
Are you alright? can't keep track of your arguments?
Perhaps you will learn one day that a colour of the Emperors (Roman to Byzantine - extended to Carlomanic-Germanic-Austrian and Russian, for the claim of direct heritage) is not "the colour of royalty". In fact, "royalty" and "Empire" are contradictions in terms if placed next to each other. To illustrate: kings were not allowed to use red in Europe (until they stopped caring about the Imperial etiquette).

Most of what you posted there are not quotes of mine.

How did you know?!
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There was something about the tone of the post.

Again, not "Royalty". Emperors and only Emperors.
If you say "of tradition with the military", I have to point out that it was not even in use with the American military! Again, it was in use with their enemies. In fact: if we are to confine ourselves to the European sphere in the period (and long before and long after), it was used only by the British. All other armies used other colours, so red was not a "requirement" (it would be absurd to invent uniforms so that everybody may have the same colour). This might come as news to you, but the world expands beyond the US and UK (only just).and Emperors are not Royalty?

and I did not say it was in AMERICAN MILITARY.

neither did I say that it was a Requirement.

Blood (red) has been used to portray Steadfastness, Royalty, Valor, Bravery and Courage all over the world. however, the problem of narrowing it down is not mine, but yours.

Perhaps you will learn one day that a colour of the Emperors (Roman to Byzantine - extended to Carlomanic-Germanic-Austrian and Russian, for the claim of direct heritage) is not "the colour of royalty". In fact, "royalty" and "Empire" are contradictions in terms if placed next to each other. To illustrate: kings were not allowed to use red in Europe (until they stopped caring about the Imperial etiquette).
ahh. I see. I use the term Royalty broadly, not differenciating between Kings/Queens/Emperors and other such rulers. if that's what you're getting at, then my Apologies.

and Emperors are not Royalty?
Not if you mean to say that "red was the colour of royalty". Red was the colour of Emperors. For example, the colour of the Bourbon royalty was white (they alternatively used blue, the colour of the Virgin Mary; the two colours have passed into the modern French flag, alongside red, because red and blue where, in that context, the two colours of the Paris flag).

and I did not say it was in AMERICAN MILITARY.
Then, did you mean to say that it was passed into the revolutionary state by the enemies. That's brilliant: the new republic could not, unlike all other new republics, fabricate a new symbol.

neither did I say that it was a Requirement.
Then are we debating your personal tastes? Well, then, let's move on to the Rorschach blots.

Blood (red) has been used to portray Steadfastness, Royalty, Valor, Bravery and Courage all over the world.
No, it is not. This is just what you assume it to be. Hence, the wikipedia quote stating that the idea was strictly Mr. Thomson's. Congrats, you have the same personal tastes as him - but what the hell does that mean to either the world or America?

Not if you mean to say that "red was the colour of royalty". Red was the colour of Emperors. For example, the colour of the Bourbon royalty was white (they alternatively used blue, the colour of the Virgin Mary; the two colours have passed into the modern French flag, alongside red, because red and blue where, in that context, the two colours of the Paris flag).don't know, ask the French.[
Then, did you mean to say that it was passed into the revolutionary state by the enemies. That's brilliant: the new republic could not, unlike all other new republics, fabricate a new symbol.Red was used all over, you are the one trying to narrow it down to only American use.
Then are we debating your personal tastes? Well, then, let's move on to the Rorschach blots. which you will fail since you're seeing things not argued.
No, it is not. This is just what you assume it to be. Hence, the wikipedia quote stating that the idea was strictly Mr. Thomson's. Congrats, you have the same personal tastes as him - but what the hell does that mean to either the world or America?didn't you yourself say that red was reserved as an Imperial Color and you never wondered why?

and the fact that Wikipedia stated that Mr. Thomson gave those reasons thus no one else had those same thoughts ever...

and you imply that I am narrow minded?

Voxio, don't even try arguing with Fass. You can't win.

I ask that others who dislike my posting in purple to please alert me.

I dislike it. It really stands out.

don't know, ask the French.
I hadn't asked anything...

Red was used all over, you are the one trying to narrow it down to only American use.
Of course it was used all over. The point was whether it was used with a certain meaning (or, indeed, any meaning in most cases - such as, Ida know, red handkerchiefs).

didn't you yourself say that red was reserved as an Imperial Color and you never wondered why?
No, I was waiting for you to tell me that it was used by the Emperors to conceal wonds :rolleyes: . Let me give you a reason for the restricted use: much like silk, Tyrian purple (which was actually crimson), was a luxury item. In fact, it was the most treasured luxury item, and was a monopoly of the Emperor (since the Romans and Eastern Romans did not want it used by any potentate who managed to gather the money). It was very hard to obtain, and was the only thing that managed to give that particular nuance. Most red pigments were subsequently covered by the meaning and, when Emperors could no longer maintain the monopoly, they still used red as their reserved brand and badge. Interestingly, that is still echoed on Austria's flag, and even Turkey's (since both ultimately arose from parallel claims to Imperial legitimacy).

and the fact that Wikipedia stated that Mr. Thomson gave those reasons thus no one else had those same thoughts ever...
Was that the point? What some people see in red and other may not? How is it relevant if others have or have had the same thoughts? How does it mean that the term covers the military as sure as my pants cover my ass? Throughot this debate, you have been indignant that I do not "read" colours the way you do. Well, then, why don't we place you as official interpreter of colours?

Voxio, don't even try arguing with Fass. You can't win.

Bah, I don't stop arguing just because I can't win...cuz who actually wins an internet argument? It seems both sides of said argument don't change their opinions or how they act.

I dislike it. It really stands out.
Then I will stop...gonna be hard though, I've already tried to add color to this text three times.:p ...well, make that four times.

Ack! five times.

The purple doesn't bother me in the least.
ALL CAPS BUGS THE SHIT OUT OF ME THOUGH!
ESPECIALLY BOLD ALL CAPS.

The only colors that I don't like are those that are so light you can't read the text without your eyes watering and squinting.

The purple doesn't bother me in the least.
ALL CAPS BUGS THE SHIT OUT OF ME THOUGH!
ESPECIALLY BOLD ALL CAPS.

The only colors that I don't like are those that are so light you can't read the text without your eyes watering and squinting.:D
but it's soo much fun.

pfft. I don't even own a red shirt.