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NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm?csp=34)

The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.

For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made — across town or across the country — to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.
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seriously, fuck them. they were a bad idea in the first place.

seriously, fuck them. they were a bad idea in the first place.
But its for your own good FS. Who knows what kind of terrible things might happen if people were allowed to communicate without surveillance. Besides, you still have your free speech, just not free to plan terrorism. Trust the NSA, they wouldn't abuse the power. Besides, if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't have a problem.

Oh yes, now if you don't mind I am going to put this tracking chip in your car, and this security camera in your living room. Very good FS, you are a true patriot. Now if you'll just step into the microchipping room...

It's called "Market Research", sillies.

You can't ban something that doesn't exist.
*shifty eyes*

You can't ban something that doesn't exist.
*shifty eyes*

true - i guess we'll have to aim a bit higher when we start abolishing things

You can't ban something that doesn't exist.
*shifty eyes*
Well then, I say we should ban Harlesburg.

We gotta ban something, so why not Harlesburg?

"rights? what are these 'rights' you speak of?"

Well then, I say we should ban Harlesburg.

We gotta ban something, so why not Harlesburg?
:eek:
You may kill me but i will become a Martyr and my minions would avenge me!

true - i guess we'll have to aim a bit higher when we start abolishing things
Human Rights!
Let us ban Human Rights!

It's called "Market Research", thillies.

One minor correction. ;)

:eek:
You may kill me but i will become a Martyr and my minions would avenge me!
Yeah, well.... I'll hire a festesio to protect me. See I can make up words too.

Yeah, well.... I'll hire a festesio to protect me. See I can make up words too.
You wont surpass me on the Funnies list.

You wont surpass me on the Funnies list.
Who says I plan to?

Who says I plan to?
So you are resigned to the fact you can't?

Who says I plan to?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

http://www.schildersmilies.de/noschild/laughoutloud.gif

*wipes tear from eye*
You're funny.

Well then, I say we should ban Harlesburg.

We gotta ban something, so why not Harlesburg?

Its a well known fact that the 48-page executive order signed by Eisenhower that created Harlesburg as the primary domestic intelligence gathering agency of the U.S. does not permit us to acknowledge the existence of Harlesburg.

I quote page 48:

"...and it shall be unlawful to inquire about, investigate, or even mention Harlesburg as of right...NOW. No, now...no, now. Okay, on three

Right...one...two...three...NOW.

Its a well known fact that the 48-page executive order signed by Eisenhower that created Harlesburg as the primary domestic intelligence gathering agency of the U.S. does not permit us to acknowledge the existence of Harlesburg.

I quote page 48:

"...and it shall be unlawful to inquire about, investigate, or even mention Harlesburg as of right...NOW. No, now...no, now. Okay, on three

Right...one...two...three...NOW.
*Taps nose*
*Breaks some necks*

So you are resigned to the fact you can't?
Yes. But that won't stop me from making lots of bad jokes.

Yes. But that won't stop me from making lots of bad jokes.
Touche mon piere

Touche mon piere
*gTranslates*

*shudders*

*hopes piere isn't slang for penis*

*gTranslates*

*shudders*

*hopes piere isn't slang for penis*
No it tranlsates into
*Nothing to see here*

No it tranlsates into
*Nothing to see here*
Google says it translates into "Touch my piere"

Google says it translates into "Touch my piere"
try 'pierre'.

Personally I can't believe there are people who think this is a good thing. Usually using that bullshit argument 'If you're not a terrorist you have nothing to fear'. Rubbish - you shouldn't have your damned privacy invaded in the first place.

what's wrong with the national safety athourity?
*feigns ignorance*

If the NSA was tracking things like phone calls (and forums) that how do the terrorist keep blowing things up? I say they are not really doing it.

But if they are then they really suck and I dare the NSA to come and

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Personally I can't believe there are people who think this is a good thing. Usually using that bullshit argument 'If you're not a terrorist you have nothing to fear'. Rubbish - you shouldn't have your damned privacy invaded in the first place.

I guess I'll have to play devils advocate here, won't I?

Just to point out something.. It's a common belief that we as US citizens have something called "A right to privacy". That's BS.. read the constitution, nowhere in there is the right to privacy even mentioned.

You can't violate a right that doesn't exist.

I expect to be fully flamed, so go ahead.

I guess I'll have to play devils advocate here, won't I?

Just to point out something.. It's a common belief that we as US citizens have something called "A right to privacy". That's BS.. read the constitution, nowhere in there is the right to privacy even mentioned.

You can't violate a right that doesn't exist.

I expect to be fully flamed, so go ahead.

Oh, I know it's not in your Constitution. I'm not saying it is. I'm merely stating that this rather smacks of, to use a rather cliched argument, 'Big Brother'. Now I know National Security and all that jazz - and to a point it's neccessary. But illegal wiretaps, monitoring phonecalls and such; it all seems far too paranoid and invasive. The terrorists have won, just by making your government so paranoid that they have to do this stuff, and that many of your citizens believe it to be neccessary and actually right. You may not have a 'right' to privacy, but that still doesn't make what's happening any better.

DELETE * FROM [Wire Taps] WHERE [NSName] = 'Harlesburg'

Is the NSA the one headed by Charlton Heston and his cold dead hands?

What I think is funny is that I knew this was going on all along, and so many people here on the forums a few months ago thought I was full of shit for saying so.

They're collecting everything. Period. They have the hardward, software, and the manpower to do it, and they are doing it. Period.

FISA is a joke, and everyone in DC knows it. Why some politicians and people outside Washington take it seriously is beyond me. It's a convenient fiction to think that FISA offers any real protections - there are loopholes in it wide enough to fly the whole Executive branch through. In addition, if you have friendly judges on the FISA court, you're going to get just about anything you want (if you actually feel the need to tell FISA what you're doing).

DELETE * FROM [Wire Taps] WHERE [NSName] = 'Harlesburg'

2 things:

1) They will probably run a quick ALTER TABLE before you even hit enter.

2) Your syntax is wrong, you dont need the * and you should have a ; at the end.

It's called "Market Research", sillies.
What's really funny is that this is what the program most closely resembles. Really all they are doing is using special NSA cookies for phones.

Personally I can't believe there are people who think this is a good thing. Usually using that bullshit argument 'If you're not a terrorist you have nothing to fear'. Rubbish - you shouldn't have your damned privacy invaded in the first place.
Actually, I don't know that this could be an invasion of privacy as such. It would be perfectly legal for a person to follow you from one destination to another and take note of where you went as long as they did not interact with you or intend to do anything to you. That's the equivalent with phones that this particular NSA project does.

What I think is funny is that I knew this was going on all along, and so many people here on the forums a few months ago thought I was full of shit for saying so.

not me - we've known they had the capability and the desire for years, so it would be foolish to think that they'd restrain themselves. but now we've got it out in the open, so i figured it might be time to bring it up.

What's really funny is that this is what the program most closely resembles. Really all they are doing is using special NSA cookies for phones.

of course, we already know that people are rather deeply disturbed by such things in the first place. i suspect they won't feel too good about the government joining in and taking it to the next level.

not me - we've known they had the capability and the desire for years, so it would be foolish to think that they'd restrain themselves. but now we've got it out in the open, so i figured it might be time to bring it up.

I recall some here saying (when they were ranting about Bush's NSA stuff) that FISA was protecting us, and that other than Bush's secret phone tapping, the NSA was behaving itself, and not doing the widespread data collection that I insisted was going on.

What fools.

another bit of the original article worth pointing out:

One major telecommunications company declined to participate in the program: Qwest.

According to sources familiar with the events, Qwest's CEO at the time, Joe Nacchio, was deeply troubled by the NSA's assertion that Qwest didn't need a court order — or approval under FISA — to proceed. Adding to the tension, Qwest was unclear about who, exactly, would have access to its customers' information and how that information might be used.

Financial implications were also a concern, the sources said. Carriers that illegally divulge calling information can be subjected to heavy fines. The NSA was asking Qwest to turn over millions of records. The fines, in the aggregate, could have been substantial.

The NSA told Qwest that other government agencies, including the FBI, CIA and DEA, also might have access to the database, the sources said. As a matter of practice, the NSA regularly shares its information — known as "product" in intelligence circles — with other intelligence groups. Even so, Qwest's lawyers were troubled by the expansiveness of the NSA request, the sources said.

The NSA, which needed Qwest's participation to completely cover the country, pushed back hard.

Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest's patriotic side: In one meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest's refusal to contribute to the database could compromise national security, one person recalled.

In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest's foot-dragging might affect its ability to get future classified work with the government. Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had classified contracts and hoped to get more.

Unable to get comfortable with what NSA was proposing, Qwest's lawyers asked NSA to take its proposal to the FISA court. According to the sources, the agency refused.

The NSA's explanation did little to satisfy Qwest's lawyers. "They told (Qwest) they didn't want to do that because FISA might not agree with them," one person recalled. For similar reasons, this person said, NSA rejected Qwest's suggestion of getting a letter of authorization from the U.S. attorney general's office. A second person confirmed this version of events.

the oversight might say no, and we can't have that, now can we? what the hell is up with this pathological desire to not be questioned?

If the NSA was tracking things like phone calls (and forums) that how do the terrorist keep blowing things up? I say they are not really doing it.

But if they are then they really suck and I dare the NSA to come and

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have they blown anything up in the USA since 9/11?

I'm glad we're hunting terrorists and their phone calls... better safe than sorry.

(had to get that in. hehe)

It would be nice if the USA were a utopia full of people who loved the USA and all of its people... with no sadistic terrorists working undercover to destroy a mall or a skyscraper (etc.).

Such naivete is incredibly dangerous... because there are bad people here, people who want us dead.. people who must be stopped from doing us harm. And if tapping phones helps the authorities catch these bastards, then in the end it's worth it. I'd rather be alive and have a few sentences of a conversation with my mom tapped by the NSA... than have the NSA called off and end up getting blown up in a mall (something which might not have happened had the NSA listened in on the terrorists' plans).

I wish we didn't have to do this to ensure our safety, but we are in a new age. There are people here, in my country, who hate the united states, and they must be stopped.

have they blown anything up in the USA since 9/11?

I'm glad we're hunting terrorists and their phone calls... better safe than sorry.
(had to get that in. hehe)

They may not have blown anything else up, but they've won anyway. They've made your government so paranoid that they're searching through records and listening to phones of millions of people to try and find 'Terrorists', and the general public is willing to put up with it.


They've won a massive victory by forcing you all to change your ways of living and becoming even more xenophobic and paranoid. All you can do is invade a few countries, and not even properly or the right ones.


Game, Set, Match - Al Quaeda

have they blown anything up in the USA since 9/11?

I'm glad we're hunting terrorists and their phone calls... better safe than sorry.
(had to get that in. hehe)

don't worry baby, daddy will save you from the boogeyman


care to count how many times they blew something up in the us before sept 2001?

They may not have blown anything else up, but they've won anyway. They've made your government so paranoid that they're searching through records and listening to pohnes of millions of people to try and find 'Terrorists', and the general public is willing to put up with it.


They've won a massive victory by forcing you all to change your ways of living and becoming even more xenophobic and paranoid. All you can do is invade a few countries, and not even properly or the right ones.


Game, Set, Match - Al Quaeda

they haven't changed my way of life, or that of anyone I know. I can still say what I want to, eat what (and where) I want to, travel where I want to, work and worship freely, etc.

all this while we hunt them 'round the globe. Some life it must be to be an Al-Qaeda nutjob. I bet Usama, if he's alive, is having a great time.

don't worry baby, daddy will save you from the boogeyman


care to count how many times they blew something up in the us before sept 2001?

1993, was it? The other WTC thing?

What did Clinton do to remedy the situation?

He had Bin Laden dead to rights and let the piece of shit go.

But let's try it your way -- no defense, then we'll see what happens. lol. because everyone loves us, nobody is planning to hurt us, etc.

they haven't changed my way of life, or that of anyone I know. I can still say what I want to, eat what (and where) I want to, travel where I want to, work and worship freely, etc.

all this while we hunt them 'round the globe. Some life it must be to be an Al-Qaeda nutjob. I bet Usama, if he's alive, is having a great time.

They've made your government so paranoid that they're using the NSA to peer into the private lives of people in the US in the belief that they'll find 'Terrorists' there. It may not be a right to have privacy, but it's still an unjustified invasion either ways. And the US public is more than happy to let the govt do this - not to mention the Patriot Act, something I'm sure Al Quaeda love.

1993, was it? The other WTC thing?

What did Clinton do to remedy the situation?

He had Bin Laden dead to rights and let the piece of shit go.

But let's try it your way -- no defense, then we'll see what happens. lol. because everyone loves us, nobody is planning to hurt us, etc.

Strawman. He never said have no defenses. One should have defenses. Not just nutjob, paranoid ones like this that peer into peoples lives.


But really, in many ways the US is just reaping what it sowed decades ago with its foreign policy.

1993, was it? The other WTC thing?

so 1 then

so 1 then

i forgot to put the "hehe" in.

seriously, though, it's a tough call -- give up a little privacy (or none at all if your phone isn't ever tapped) for increased security... or take a hands-off strategy and hope nothing bad happens?

i forgot to put the "hehe" in.

seriously, though, it's a tough call -- give up a little privacy (or none at all if your phone isn't ever tapped) for increased security... or take a hands-off strategy and hope nothing bad happens?

Either way you lose.

I was going to start another thread with this article, but it fits in with this thread: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4762623.stm


US spy agency 'monitoring calls'
General Michael Hayden with President George W Bush
The report could derail Mr Bush's choice to head the CIA
A United States intelligence agency has been collecting data on the phone calls of tens of millions of Americans, a report in USA Today has alleged.

The country's three biggest phone companies have been handing over call records to the National Security Agency (NSA) since 2001, the newspaper says.

President Bush refused to confirm or deny the existence of the programme.

He said he had authorised intelligence gathering in the wake of 9/11, adding that the activities were "lawful".

"Our intelligence activities strictly target al-Qaeda and their known affiliates," he said in a brief White House statement after the newspaper report appeared.

"The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected," he said, adding: "We are not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans."

So... what he's saying is... the "tens of millions" of people they're collecting data on are all suspected terrorists, or terrorist affiliates?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's a LOT of terrorists... they should all move to one part of America, claim it as their own, and become a new nation with that many people.
Of course, I don't believe that those people are all involved in terrorist activities... which makes Bush's statement false, since he is taking gathering data from innocent people.

Either way you lose.

yeah, but we have avoided major domestic incidents for the last (well almost) 5 years. So while we're giving up a little privacy (depdnging on who you are... some probably a lot more than others), at least it might be working...

whether or not the wire-tapping has contributed to that... well we'd have to find out how many terrorist plots were foiled because of its use.

yeah, but we have avoided major domestic incidents for the last (well almost) 5 years. So while we're giving up a little privacy (depdnging on who you are... some probably a lot more than others), at least it might be working...

whether or not the wire-tapping has contributed to that... well we'd have to find out how many terrorist plots were foiled because of its use.

He still should have sought permission to do so. As has been pointed out many times, when the president asks for such permission, it's rarely denied. It's not so much the act that I have a problem with, but rather his illegal way of doing things.

They may not have blown anything else up, but they've won anyway. They've made your government so paranoid that they're searching through records and listening to phones of millions of people to try and find 'Terrorists', and the general public is willing to put up with it.


They've won a massive victory by forcing you all to change your ways of living and becoming even more xenophobic and paranoid. All you can do is invade a few countries, and not even properly or the right ones.


Game, Set, Match - Al Quaeda

I disagree. I am a bit uncomfortable about these NSA programs, but they've yet to have any impact on my life. Conversely, getting blown up by good old OBL would have a pretty big impact.

I understand, however, that there is a slippery slope here. When antiterrorism measures like this are extended to normal US federal and/or state law, then I will start flipping out like some of the people in newspapers. Until then, the only harm I see coming from this is leaving open that distant, but feasible, possibility.

I guess I'll have to play devils advocate here, won't I?

Just to point out something.. It's a common belief that we as US citizens have something called "A right to privacy". That's BS.. read the constitution, nowhere in there is the right to privacy even mentioned.

You can't violate a right that doesn't exist.

I expect to be fully flamed, so go ahead.

The constitution is an interpretive document, hence we have the supreme court. The right to privacy is not actual language used by the framers. There is however, several key rulings on the 4th ammendments which states that we, and our property (communication) are protected from unlawful search and seizure. Please see my noted addendum which lays out your rights as determined by the US Supreme Court.

http://www.rbs2.com/priv2.pdf#search='supreme%20court%20cases%20%20right%20to%20privacy'

1993, was it? The other WTC thing?

What did Clinton do to remedy the situation?

He had Bin Laden dead to rights and let the piece of shit go.

But let's try it your way -- no defense, then we'll see what happens. lol. because everyone loves us, nobody is planning to hurt us, etc.

The Sudan did not offer Bin Laden, as can be gained through FOIA requests and multiple internet sites if you cared to research. This lie was first propogated by Rush Limbaugh and has been repeated so many times you take the lie for truth. Why don't you research this from official government sources and realize you are dead wrong. The people responsible for the attacks on the WTC in 93 are where now? When is the last time they attacked America? Oh yeah, they're rotting in jail. Get of Clinton and your penile envy. You have been suckered into living your life in fear and will resolve to give away your freedom. "Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither."

My daddy works for the NSA. Don't abolish it or he will be unemployed! He has protected your ass from terrorists more times than we know, probably. I don't really know because he's not allowed to talk about it.

have they blown anything up in the USA since 9/11?

I'm glad we're hunting terrorists and their phone calls... better safe than sorry.

(had to get that in. hehe)

It would be nice if the USA were a utopia full of people who loved the USA and all of its people... with no sadistic terrorists working undercover to destroy a mall or a skyscraper (etc.).

Such naivete is incredibly dangerous... because there are bad people here, people who want us dead.. people who must be stopped from doing us harm. And if tapping phones helps the authorities catch these bastards, then in the end it's worth it. I'd rather be alive and have a few sentences of a conversation with my mom tapped by the NSA... than have the NSA called off and end up getting blown up in a mall (something which might not have happened had the NSA listened in on the terrorists' plans).

I wish we didn't have to do this to ensure our safety, but we are in a new age. There are people here, in my country, who hate the united states, and they must be stopped.

Lets do some math.

Odds of being killed by a terrorist: 1 in 9,000,000
Odds of being killed in a car crash: 1 in 7000
Odds of being killed by heart disease: 1 in 3.57

If you're afraid of terrorists, you're bad at math.

We're spending hundreds of millions of dollars (I wont say billions because Iraq wasn't about terrorism) in an attempt to create this aura of invincibility. What is this accomplishing? Not much, except for the revitalization of systemic, professional torture techniques by the US military. That money would be much better spent funding stem cell research or other biotech solutions, if you're really interested in saving lives. Unfortunetly, our government is NOT interested in that. Our government wants to maintain the military-industrial status-quo. The NSA can shove it, and the people who are still quaking in their boots about terrorists can replace their SUV with a hybrid, replace their power lines with solar panels, and insist that an "exit strategy" shouldn't involve the construction of a dozen permanent US military bases. Do that, and you'll be well on your way to reducing terrorism far more than any military can. Why? Here's the most important part:

The terrorists aren't performing "senseless" acts of violence. They have a messege that is falling on deaf ears. If we're going to hold foreigners accountable for the death of US citizens, then we damn well better hold ourselves accountable for the deaths of foreign citizens at the hands of our government.

If you abolish the NSA you abolish the USA which is not cool. Let them do their job and dont worry about it. I dont know if you realize it but we are at war with terrorists and we need to fight them over there so we dont have to fight them here.

If you abolish the NSA you abolish the USA which is not cool. Let them do their job and dont worry about it. I dont know if you realize it but we are at war with terrorists and we need to fight them over there so we dont have to fight them here.

Hey, the comedian's back!


Great stuff UNA, I missed you! Do you take requests? I really wanna see the 'China attacked Pearl Harbour' skit again.

Lets do some math.

Odds of being killed by a terrorist: 1 in 9,000,000
Odds of being killed in a car crash: 1 in 7000
Odds of being killed by heart disease: 1 in 3.57

If you're afraid of terrorists, you're bad at math.

We're spending hundreds of millions of dollars (I wont say billions because Iraq wasn't about terrorism) in an attempt to create this aura of invincibility. What is this accomplishing? Not much, except for the revitalization of systemic, professional torture techniques by the US military. That money would be much better spent funding stem cell research or other biotech solutions, if you're really interested in saving lives. Unfortunetly, our government is NOT interested in that. Our government wants to maintain the military-industrial status-quo. The NSA can shove it, and the people who are still quaking in their boots about terrorists can replace their SUV with a hybrid, replace their power lines with solar panels, and insist that an "exit strategy" shouldn't involve the construction of a dozen permanent US military bases. Do that, and you'll be well on your way to reducing terrorism far more than any military can. Why? Here's the most important part:

The terrorists aren't performing "senseless" acts of violence. They have a messege that is falling on deaf ears. If we're going to hold foreigners accountable for the death of US citizens, then we damn well better hold ourselves accountable for the deaths of foreign citizens at the hands of our government.
why are you America hating? Did you know if you lived the Sudan you wouldnt be online at all? So be happy for what you have and stop questioning our government about this stuff, if anyone knows what they're doing, its President Bush.

If you abolish the NSA you abolish the USA which is not cool. Let them do their job and dont worry about it. I dont know if you realize it but we are at war with terrorists and we need to fight them over there so we dont have to fight them here.

Mmmm... that smells like some tasty regurgitated Bush crap!
Is Bush Co. putting puppets in online forums now to spread the good word?

why are you America hating? Did you know if you lived the Sudan you wouldnt be online at all? So be happy for what you have and stop questioning our government about this stuff, if anyone knows what they're doing, its President Bush.

Yes! More! "Don't question! It's unpatriotic" is the theme of this message.

You know, I didn't know anyone was still buying this stuff! Haha!
I suppose there IS still 32% support for Bush... so I shouldn't be as surprised as I am.

Mmmm... that smells like some tasty regurgitated Bush crap!
Is Bush Co. putting puppets in online forums now to spread the good word?

Naw man, you gotta understand, UNA is a comedian. A very subtle one, but he is. All this Bush stuff is just the taster for whats really to come. He does a great rant about 'Liberals' and does an even better history skit, including the classic 'China bombed Pearl Harbour'. Look around at peoples signatures, the guy has fans everywhere!

Naw man, you gotta understand, UNA is a comedian. A very subtle one, but he is. All this Bush stuff is just the taster for whats really to come. He does a great rant about 'Liberals' and does an even better history skit, including the classic 'China bombed Pearl Harbour'. Look around at peoples signatures, the guy has fans everywhere!

Ohhhh... and here I thought I'd actually found an avid Bush supporter... *sigh* Thanks for clearing that up.
For some reason I can't see signatures, unless I'm not logged on.

Mmmm... that smells like some tasty regurgitated Bush crap!
Is Bush Co. putting puppets in online forums now to spread the good word?
Its not crap, its the true word of freedom. Im just spreading the word, you can think of me as a prophet.

Ohhhh... and here I thought I'd actually found an avid Bush supporter... *sigh* Thanks for clearing that up.
For some reason I can't see signatures, unless I'm not logged on.

Nah, I used to think like that, get all worked up. But then I realised to just sit back and enjoy the fun.


Hey, UNA: Ever thought of doing the comedy circuit? Some of this stuff is gold!

I hope you pro-wiretap people will feel the same way when some wild-eyed, paranoid Democrat gets in and starts looking up the records of Bush-supporters.

I hope you pro-wiretap people will feel the same way when some wild-eyed, paranoid Democrat gets in and starts looking up the records of Bush-supporters.

But that'd be treasonous!

Hey, UNA: Ever thought of doing the comedy circuit? Some of this stuff is gold!
Why would I do that, Im not a comedian. Im a freedom fighter which is very serious. I have to defend freedom and President Bush from liberals and Osama bin Laden. And homocide bombers.

Why would I do that, Im not a comedian. Im a freedom fighter which is very serious. I have to defend freedom and President Bush from liberals and Osama bin Laden. And homocide bombers.

Golden stuff, golden! Man, it must take ages to think up your acts at times, I really envy you. You're the best damn troll I've seen on the internet. Bravo, sir! Bravo!

Why would I do that, Im not a comedian. Im a freedom fighter which is very serious. I have to defend freedom and President Bush from liberals and Osama bin Laden. And homocide bombers.

I thought it was "defend freedom from President Bush and liberals and Osama bin Laden". :D

If you're afraid of terrorists, you're bad at math.

not to mention basic critical thinking skills.

do the people who are busy wetting themselves realize how easy it would be to inflict large numbers of casualties in this country if anyone wanted to do so? how many completely unguarded and unguardable places there are where people gather in groups? but it never happens (except when the occassional nazi gets sick of waiting for the race war, of course). there just ain't no terrorist threat here.

Is the NSA the one headed by Charlton Heston and his cold dead hands?
No, he runs the RSA and RSL.

I listened to some talk radio shows on my way from work yesterday, and early this morning, and they claimed that according to their polls, most Americans weren't bothered by the NSA's actions. If that's true, that's very sad. :(

Returned Services Association and Returnded Services League

No, don't abolish them. They'll be a source of employment when I become a mathematician.

No, don't abolish them. They'll be a source of employment when I become a mathematician.
Sorry but we have asians for that!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html

Apparently, a poll indicates that a majority of Americans don't have a problem with the NSA spying on them, if it's in the name of stopping terrorism.

The same poll even indicates that 51 percent of Americans approve of Bush's actions in this regard.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

*Taps Phonelines*