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What do you think of corporal punishment? I think it's a great idea. There are some kids who only understand pain and it sends a stronger message to the kid and the other classmates.

I think Corporals should be punished. Sergeants, I'm undecided about.

Its better than Private or Sergeant punishement?

*Damn! Kzord beat me to it*:p

I say we should clone R. Lee Emery (the guy who played Gunney in Full Metal Jacket) and let him shape up our kids.

Teachers will be respected more by the students. My school district actually abolished it only four years ago.

Teachers will be respected more by the students. My school district actually abolished it only four years ago.
Is fear the same as respect though?

Could I call it Coperate Punishment if I spank the ass of a fine young woman? :p

You've been a very bad girl.

Is fear the same as respect though?

I'm not saying a teacher should be able to beat kids at will. If they abuse that power then they should be held accountable. I would fear a teacher with a bloody baseball bat more that respect him. No need to be extreme.

I think it's a horrible idea. And if such a thing were to happen to me, I'd sure as hell hit back.

I think it's a horrible idea. And if such a thing were to happen to me, I'd sure as hell hit back.

You'd be in even worse situation. The teacher would start beating you up.

I would spend lengthy tutoring sessions with her :D

I'd help her get her grades up if she helped me get something else up :D

I would spend lengthy tutoring sessions with her :D

I'd help her get her grades up if she helped me get something else up :D

That's why we're not teachers lol.

Let's see...

I'm sure something that has a proven track record of being absolutely worthless and causes both physical, mental, and emotional damage is a great idea.

I would put a baseball bat on my desk and give them one warning not to test me.

Could I call it Coperate Punishment if I spank the ass of a fine young woman? :p
What about Corporate Punishment, for when they oppress the proletariat? :D

What about Corporate Punishment, for when they oppress the proletariat? :D

It's not as kinky

If you spank the butt of a kid between 1 and 6 you won't have problems with them after. If you don't everyone in the world will have problems with them forever.

it would certainly shape up the school quite a bit. but if the school is unable to enforce what happens outside of school the social problems will most likely rise

If you spank the butt of a kid between 1 and 6 you won't have problems with them after. If you don't everyone in the world will have problems with them forever.

LMAO

i can see it now, a 1950's style poster with a picture of Hitler with a caption reading "Hitler was never spanked as a child"

Ah, yes, let's cause a LOT more emotional damage than kids suffer already in school as it is AND cause physical damage AND leave the potential open for SEXUAL damage! :rolleyes:

It was banned for a reason. It is a horrible idea period.

What is it with you people and your penchant for seeing somebody getting the stuffing kicked out them, anyway? It's fucking morbid.

Judging from personal experience, a nice supple cane would be just the ticket for dealing with some pupils. I have always been a model pupil so I have nothing to fear. Role out the beatings!

LMAO

i can see it now, a 1950's style poster with a picture of Hitler with a caption reading "Hitler was never spanked as a child"

actually Hitler was supposedly abused by his father

actually Hitler was supposedly abused by his father

So, dear Adolf was spoilt as a child and he became one of the most effective orators and genocidal maniacs the world has ever known or is likely to know.

OR

Dear Adolf was treated with unspeakable cruelty as a child and he became one of the most effective orators and genocidal maniacs the world has ever known or is likely to know.

The lookout isn't very good for mankind from where I'm standing.

If you spank the butt of a kid between 1 and 6 you won't have problems with them after. If you don't everyone in the world will have problems with them forever.
Bullshit. The only thing spanking does is create fear. It doesn't teach people to stop negative behaviors. It teaches them not to get caught. It's sick, twisted, and borderline sadistic.

Horrible idea.

Some kids only understand pain

So ah, what's the point in sending these kids to school? If they only understand pain then they're never going to understand the alphabet or how to count. Sending them to school is just a complete waste of everyone's time.

Well I have lived through both sides. Catholic schools and public schools.

CP when used "correctly" can be helpful on some kids. When I was younger I had an attitude and really didn't respect my elders. A couple of Priests "motivated" me a couple times. I wouldn't label it abusive more as the result of openly challenging them. They were fair overall. Overtime I came to respect them as I learned they did have my welfare in mind.

Some would say if you are beat, you will beat your kids. I have never done that to my kid. It might be I learned from them on what to do. A "spanking" is the final solution. Never the first.

A friend had one teacher that made all the students take home a permission slip asking for the right to spank them. The students were afraid of her but by the time the year was out they adored her. She never hit any of them.

I received a little bit in my time, while my sister got little. She's a potty-mouthed psycho and I'm pretty restrained...it may have some benefits, as much as I'm against it.

Teaching is a matter of force of personality. If a teacher can make corporal punishment work, they can do the same thing with their voice and assignments. If they can't control the class without corporal punishment, they won't be able to pull off spankings anyway.

There are definitely kids who ignore every single kind of punishment given to them. I knew this one kid who I'll leave out his name. They must have thrown everything at him and he refused to shape up. Eventually, he got expelled. And I hear he's doing it again in another school. Some people just take that stuff in stride, and it's harder to take CP in stride. That might actually make people listen.

Teaching is a matter of force of personality. If a teacher can make corporal punishment work, they can do the same thing with their voice and assignments. If they can't control the class without corporal punishment, they won't be able to pull off spankings anyway.

It depends on the kids and the age. In my case, you could have used your voice to your hearts content and it wouldn't have worked on me.

That's probably why I was in Catholic School. ;)

It depends on the kids and the age. In my case, you could have used your voice to your hearts content and it wouldn't have worked on me.

That's probably why I was in Catholic School. ;)

So why did CP work when other things didn't?

The way I see it, CP only has an advantage when you can do things like cutting people's arms off, which you can't. Up until that point, you can really get the same sorts of pain via ostracism, verbal abuse, and social penalties. That and just stopping the kid from doing the thing.

Is Corporal punishment currently condoned anywhere in the US?

My school district banned it just a few years ago.

Bullshit. The only thing spanking does is create fear. It doesn't teach people to stop negative behaviors. It teaches them not to get caught. It's sick, twisted, and borderline sadistic.
Obviously from someone who has never had to deal with a group of children. It is very obvious even at the college teaching level which children were controlled between 1 and 6 and which weren't. Children are like small animals. They have a short attention span. They have to immediatly associate wrong behavior with the results of that behavior. With "time out" the children forget the association of the action with the result. I'm not talking about a beating or a delayed punishment to follow some legal rule. I'm talking about one swift and immediate swat to the butt with an open hand. Within a tenth of a second the child knows they have done something wrong and both the behavior and the result of that behavior have ended. As a dog trainer, or the trainer of any other animal if "time out" works. A child is no different, they don't have language skills or memory to understand a delayed punishment.

Give me a classroom of students who's parents have cared enough to teach their children every time.

I think seargents ned to be punished more..ask anybody..there all bastards.


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Corporal punishment is necessary sometimes. In the good old days, we had corporal punishment, much higher standards, much stricter rules, and far less tolerance for brattiness. Teachers actually taught, instead of doing nothing but praising mediocrity and condoning misbehavior. Kids worked hard, learned a lot, and grew up much smarter and more productive. Why? They learned discipline. It wouldn't hurt to teach today's brats the same.

Obviously from someone who has never had to deal with a group of children. It is very obvious even at the college teaching level which children were controlled between 1 and 6 and which weren't. Children are like small animals.

Let's not mince words. Children ARE small animals. Adults are just slightly bigger animals.

I think it depends on the corporal punishment. And it also hinges on being consistent. Inconsistent punishment is no better than inconsistent reward.

Bullshit. The only thing spanking does is create fear. It doesn't teach people to stop negative behaviors. It teaches them not to get caught. It's sick, twisted, and borderline sadistic.

I'm a mental sadist and no one's complained to me about it. A friend of mine is interested in the more hands on approach and no one's complained to him about it. Is sadism such a bad thing?

What do you think of corporal punishment? I think it's a great idea. There are some kids who only understand pain and it sends a stronger message to the kid and the other classmates.

I think it is more than that, in earlier schooling, it can emphasise the difference between good behaviour, which is acceptable and bad behaviour which is not acceptable. It also teaches that there can and will be a reckoning if we misbehave. For far too long the do-gooders have assured us it is barbaric, and now we have a nation of youths who know they cannot be touched.

What do you think of corporal punishment? I think it's a great idea. There are some kids who only understand pain and it sends a stronger message to the kid and the other classmates.
I think anybody who has to resort to corporal punishment is a loser. Losers should not be allowed to supervise children.

I think anybody who has to resort to corporal punishment is a loser. Losers should not be allowed to supervise children.

So hundreds of generations of Adults have all been losers? Corporal Punishment has been around for a lot longer and proved it works.

Do gooders live in a Utopian world, which until we attain it is so much pie in the sky.

So hundreds of generations of Adults have all been losers?

Well, yes, but corporal punishment isn't the only reason :).


Corporal Punishment has been around for a lot longer and proved it works.

Corporal punishment is a pathetic tactic that only "works" to help incompetant people maintain the illusion that they are competant. There are far more effective means of maintaining dicipline, but of course those methods require more than "Thorg SMASH!"


Do gooders live in a Utopian world, which until we attain it is so much pie in the sky.
Why on Earth would you assume I'm a do-gooder? I'm a pragmatist. Corporal punishment is more about fluffing the egos of wussy and unimaginative "adults" than it is about instilling dicipline and respect in children.

Why on Earth would you assume I'm a do-gooder? I'm a pragmatist. Corporal punishment is more about fluffing the egos of wussy and unimaginative "adults" than it is about instilling dicipline and respect in children.
As a pragmatist you should go with what works.

The old saying "this is going to hurt me more than it is you" is really true. I would have liked to let my children run wild. It would have been a lot more fun to never touch them and to never hear them say "I HATE you". Or to listen to them cry. Civilizing a child is a lot of work and a lot of heartache. But, I have seen children that weren't civilized. When I teach at the college level, I can pick out the children who's parents got control between 1 and 6 and those who's parents gave "time out" or other equally ineffective punishments. Anybody who has ever trained any young animal knows the punishment needs to be immediate. Children and other young animals don't have the memory or language capabilities to understand the connection between an action and a punishment a minute later. If the parent delays any time at all, it's too late. A single, open hand, swat to the butt fills the requirements of the young mind. I have heard of no other training device that will do the same.

We do the same with a dog and an "invisible" fence. The dog goes so far and zap, a small electric shock. Doesn't take the dog more than a couple times and it knows the limits forever. In every aspect of civilization, give a child a small zap between 1 and 6 and you will never have to wonder if they understand the limits of the culture.