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Yes you heard it. A mass extinction has happened and humans were not to blame according to report. Although the theory that humans were responsible had been advanced for a long period of time. It was basically taken as fact. Anyway read on and notice that it wasn't human made greenhouse gas that killed these animals. Or was it?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/05/10/mammoth.extinction.reut/index.html

WE'RE GUNNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! * bawls*

Yes you heard it. A mass extinction has happened and humans were not to blame according to report. Although the theory that humans were responsible had been advanced for a long period of time. It was basically taken as fact. Anyway read on and notice that it wasn't human made greenhouse gas that killed these animals. Or was it?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/05/10/mammoth.extinction.reut/index.html

Ummm...Unless I'm mistaken...the Industrial Revolution was some time after mammoths right?

But hey, something we didn't screw up! Woot!

You know, I once heard that some green house gasses is actually good for us. If we didn't have those gasses, our plant would be very very cold right now.

It's still debatable whether Global Warming A. really exist and B. is caused by humans.

It wasn't global warming. I just got hungry, so I ate them all.

You know, I once heard that some green house gasses is actually good for us. If we didn't have those gasses, our plant would be very very cold right now.

It's still debatable whether Global Warming A. really exist and B. is caused by humans.

Someone maybe needs the hockey stick? The only thing I find debatable is whether or not it's specifically our carbon dioxide that's causing it.

Here’s the thing, even if global warming is being accelerated by human activity, we can’t do anything about it that wouldn’t be economically devastating, and it may be too late to reverse anyway.
If we aren’t accelerating it, who cares?
It’s happening, it’s going to continue to happen and that’s just the way it’s going to be. Petty politicization of the event helps nobody but the politicians and lobbyists politicizing it.

Where's the Straughn Signal(tm)?

Here’s the thing, even if global warming is being accelerated by human activity, we can’t do anything about it that wouldn’t be economically devastating, and it may be too late to reverse anyway.
If we aren’t accelerating it, who cares?
It’s happening, it’s going to continue to happen and that’s just the way it’s going to be. Petty politicization of the event helps nobody but the politicians and lobbyists politicizing it.
Economic devastation now or economic devastation later?


Choices, choices. Banning CFCs wasn't the end of the world, was it?

Yes you heard it. A mass extinction has happened and humans were not to blame according to report. Although the theory that humans were responsible had been advanced for a long period of time. It was basically taken as fact. Anyway read on and notice that it wasn't human made greenhouse gas that killed these animals. Or was it?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/05/10/mammoth.extinction.reut/index.html
Mammoths went extinct because ice age ended. Is that supposed to be news?

Economic devastation now or economic devastation later?


Choices, choices. Banning CFCs wasn't the end of the world, was it?
It doesn’t matter what reasonable people think. It matters what is going to happen, and what is going to happen is that nothing of substance will be done.

"Nothing of substance will be done"? You're kind of jumping to that conclusion, aren't you?

Yes you heard it. A mass extinction has happened and humans were not to blame according to report. Although the theory that humans were responsible had been advanced for a long period of time. It was basically taken as fact. Anyway read on and notice that it wasn't human made greenhouse gas that killed these animals.

small problem - the late pleistocene/megafauna extinction events did not all occur at the same time. in fact, they all occur right around when humans move in to previously uninhabited places. all the way up to 500 years ago when people finally got to new zealand and the moa goes extinct.

did climate have an impact? most certainly. but it took the introduction of an invasive new predator species to finish the job.

It's still debatable whether Global Warming A. really exist and B. is caused by humans.

only in the sense that it is still debatable that gravity exists and the earth is round.

Anyway read on and notice that it wasn't human made greenhouse gas that killed these animals. Or was it?

Um, we pretty much know what greenhouse gas concentrations were 10,000 years ago from analysing air bubbles in ice cores. During the transition from the last glacial maximum to the beginning of the Holocene (current warm period), CO2 increased from 200 ppm to 280 ppm. Carbon dioxide levels have jumped from about 280 ppm at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution to about 360 ppm today, a change of about 80 ppm and most of that was in the last fifty years. So we have experienced an ice age ending increase in CO2 while not in an ice age. This probably isn't good.

Originally Posted by Wilgrove
It's still debatable whether Global Warming A. really exist and B. is caused by humans.

Do you believe in either or both of the following:

1. Carbon dioxide does not contibute to global warming.

2. Humans have not increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Here’s the thing, even if global warming is being accelerated by human activity, we can’t do anything about it that wouldn’t be economically devastating, and it may be too late to reverse anyway.

Unless you are writing from the perspective of General Motors, driving more fuel efficent cars will not be economically devestating. Nor will replacing older coal burning plants with nuclear plants. Nuclear power will only add maybe $10 a year to per person to your electricity bill compared to coal. The U.S. GDP increases by more than $1,000 per year per person. This is not economic devestation.

And we are not trying to reverse global warming at the moment we are just trying to slow it down.

Do you believe in either or both of the following:

1. Carbon dioxide does not contibute to global warming.

2. Humans have not increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

I believe that the earth is warming up, however it's a natural cycle that the earth goes through. We had an Ice Age, so we must now have a warm to hot age. There's nothing we can do to stop it either. I mean look at the dinosuars era, there was jungle everywhere. That was a hot age too. Like I said, I believe this is just a natural cycle that we can't do anything about.

Like I said, I believe this is just a natural cycle that we can't do anything about.

and you base this belief on a wide ranging study of the relevant peer reviewed research, right?

I believe that the earth is warming up, however it's a natural cycle that the earth goes through. We had an Ice Age, so we must now have a warm to hot age. There's nothing we can do to stop it either. I mean look at the dinosuars era, there was jungle everywhere. That was a hot age too. Like I said, I believe this is just a natural cycle that we can't do anything about.

At the end of the last ice age carbon dioxide levels rose about 20%. This was about 10,000 years ago. Since the start of the industrial revolution about 250 years ago carbon dioxide levels have risen by 30% on top of the end of ice age increase. About two thirds of this increase has been in the last 50 years. So I have to ask again: Do you believe that CO2 has no effect on global warming and do you believe that humans are not adding CO2 to the atmosphere?

At the end of the last ice age carbon dioxide levels rose about 20%. This was about 10,000 years ago. Since the start of the industrial revolution about 250 years ago carbon dioxide levels have risen by 30% on top of the end of ice age increase. About two thirds of this increase has been in the last 50 years. So I have to ask again: Do you believe that CO2 has no effect on global warming and do you believe that humans are not adding CO2 to the atmosphere?
I've already proven that human caused co2 emmissions make up approximately .00011% of the effect of global warming. Water vapor makes up a much greater % of the greenhouse effect.
Global warming is happening.
Humans have relatively minimal effect.

I've already proven that human caused co2 emmissions make up approximately .00011% of the effect of global warming. Water vapor makes up a much greater % of the greenhouse effect.
Global warming is happening.
Humans have relatively minimal effect.

uh oh, i've seen statements like these before. you got them from here (http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html), didn't you?

I've already proven that human caused co2 emmissions make up approximately .00011% of the effect of global warming. Water vapor makes up a much greater % of the greenhouse effect.
Global warming is happening.
Humans have relatively minimal effect.

Umm, carbon dioxide is responsible for 9-26% of the warming effect caused by atmosphereic gases and humans have increased the level of carbon dioxide by about a third since the start of the industrial revolution. I think you'd better do your sums again because 9-26% by one third is 3-8.7% not .00011%. And that's not even including other greenhouse gases released by humans. When you consider that without any greenhouse effect at all the earth would be a ball of ice, 3-8.7% is quite significant. But don't feel bad. More than once I've made silly mistakes while doing calculations.

Wow. I read some of these posts and want to start singing the Regan theme song.

Ewww who ewww a ewww don't worry be happy!

Obviously not taking into account that it was during the period of the Mammoth that we began our long trek to those gas guzzlers we are driving around today. Try looking things up from more than one source.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/315000/images/_319021_flintstones300.jpg

Also, I'd like you all to know that in my quest for my joke I found Flintstones porn. Nationstates has hurt me deeply this time.

Also, I'd like you all to know that in my quest for my joke I found Flintstones porn. Nationstates has hurt me deeply this time.

Now you've got me thinking how hot Betty is, damn you!

Now you've got me thinking how hot Betty is, damn you!
It's all about Teenaged Pebbles.


I really have to go empty my mind now.

It's all about Teenaged Pebbles.

Now that's just sick!

People who think teenaged Pebbles is hotter than Betty disgust me.

Umm, carbon dioxide is responsible for 9-26% of the warming effect caused by atmosphereic gases and humans have increased the level of carbon dioxide by about a third since the start of the industrial revolution. I think you'd better do your sums again because 9-26% by one third is 3-8.7% not .00011%. And that's not even including other greenhouse gases released by humans. When you consider that without any greenhouse effect at all the earth would be a ball of ice, 3-8.7% is quite significant. But don't feel bad. More than once I've made silly mistakes while doing calculations.

Shh, you'll spoil his comfortable existance where he can not give a shit and let the next generation suffer for it.

Now that's just sick!

People who think teenaged Pebbles is hotter than Betty disgust me.
I'll let pictures speak for words:
http://www.4halloweencostumes.com/images/15743.jpg

Shh, you'll spoil his comfortable existance where he can not give a shit and let the next generation suffer for it.

According to the late, great Julian Simons, we don't need to be worried about endangering future generations because environmental threats will just encourage people to create inventions to deal with the problem and the inventions will make everybody better off.

I heard he died of a heart condition that no one had found a cure for because no one had bothered to do any research on it because everyone was confident someone in the future would come up with a solution.

I'll let pictures speak for words:
http://www.4halloweencostumes.com/images/15743.jpg

I rest my case.

According to the late, great Julian Simons, we don't need to be worried about endangering future generations because environmental threats will just encourage people to create inventions to deal with the problem and the inventions will make everybody better off.

I heard he died of a heart condition that no one had found a cure for because no one had bothered to do any research on it because everyone was confident someone in the future would come up with a solution.
Heh :p

Well then, methinks i'm moving to higher ground.

Well then, methinks i'm moving to higher ground.

I'm not worried. I'm sure Doctor Frink is working on something that will save us, so that absolves me from the responsibility of doing anything at all.

I believe that the earth is warming up, however it's a natural cycle that the earth goes through. We had an Ice Age, so we must now have a warm to hot age. There's nothing we can do to stop it either. I mean look at the dinosuars era, there was jungle everywhere. That was a hot age too. Like I said, I believe this is just a natural cycle that we can't do anything about.
Actually the natural cycle says that we should be entering the first stages of an ice age right about now. Something must have disrupted the cycle. Hmmm... what could it be? What has changed from then to now? Hmmm...

small problem - the late pleistocene/megafauna extinction events did not all occur at the same time. in fact, they all occur right around when humans move in to previously uninhabited places. all the way up to 500 years ago when people finally got to new zealand and the moa goes extinct.

did climate have an impact? most certainly. but it took the introduction of an invasive new predator species to finish the job.

so did i win the original topic?

I rest my case.
You simply do not understand true beauty when it stares you in the face in a dark alley.

Yes you heard it. A mass extinction has happened and humans were not to blame according to report. Although the theory that humans were responsible had been advanced for a long period of time. It was basically taken as fact. Anyway read on and notice that it wasn't human made greenhouse gas that killed these animals. Or was it?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/05/10/mammoth.extinction.reut/index.html
*smokes a cigarette in the cancer ward, confident that it wasn't me that gave these people cancer.*

so did i win the original topic?
It would appear so. Can someone change the thread title to 'Betty vs (teenage)Pebbles'?

It would appear so. Can someone change the thread title to 'Betty vs (teenage)Pebbles'?
Throw in 'vs Wilma'; also a red head and not to be dismissed.