NationStates Jolt Archive

Quite recently books from libraries around the UK have been banned and burnt because they contained the word 'black'. The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries and a Pakistani has more chance of getting a gun-license than a farmer!
I was just wondering if racism has gone too far the other way with schools becoming an ethnical minefield were one can be punished for creating comical stereotypes. It seems to me a bit like going from one extreme to another. What do you think? Is society turning into a place were someone cannot speak freely?

Quite recently books from libraries around the UK have been banned and burnt because they contained the word 'black'. The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries and a Pakistani has more chance of getting a gun-license than a farmer!
I was just wondering if racism has gone too far the other way with schools becoming an ethnical minefield were one can be punished for creating comical stereotypes. It seems to me a bit like going from one extreme to another. What do you think? Is society turning into a place were someone cannot speak freely?

Yea, I do think racism is going too far, and I think that the drive where society is trying to be PC, and to be ethicnally sensitive is a bunch of crap.

Quite recently books from libraries around the UK have been banned and burnt because they contained the word 'black'. The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries and a Pakistani has more chance of getting a gun-license than a farmer!
I was just wondering if racism has gone too far the other way with schools becoming an ethnical minefield were one can be punished for creating comical stereotypes. It seems to me a bit like going from one extreme to another. What do you think? Is society turning into a place were someone cannot speak freely?

Books have been burnt for containing the word 'black'? That's news to me.

Books have been burnt for containing the word 'black'? That's news to me.

Come to think of it I haven't heard of any books being banned either.

Books have been burnt for containing the word 'black'? That's news to me.
Me too. Black isn't a negative word, either. If it's offensive, here is a simple solution. "Please don't call me black," says the African-American man.

Books have been burnt for containing the word 'black'? That's news to me.
No, they're just editing them. For example Conrad's The ****** of the Narcissus has been changed to The African-American of the Narcissus and movies like "The Soul of ****** Charlie" have been changed to "The soul of Person of Color Charlie".

I can't believe this moronic censorship is happening *declares war on UK*

I can't believe this moronic censorship is happening *declares war on UK*
I don't buy it. I can buy editing, but not book burning and banning. Unless it's something like Mein Kampf. Unreasonable, but understandable.

No, they're just editing them. For example Conrad's The ****** of the Narcissus has been changed to The African-American of the Narcissus and movies like "The Soul of ****** Charlie" have been changed to "The soul of Person of Color Charlie".

So in fact no books have been burnt or banned?

Methinks the OP is weaving a strawman...

So in fact no books have been burnt or banned?

Methinks the OP is weaving a strawman...
No. None have been edited either. I was just fooling around.

Books have been burnt for containing the word 'black'? That's news to me.


news here too, I havent even heard of a book burning in many years ( at least in the US)

Quite recently books from libraries around the UK have been banned and burnt because they contained the word 'black'. The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries and a Pakistani has more chance of getting a gun-license than a farmer!
I was just wondering if racism has gone too far the other way with schools becoming an ethnical minefield were one can be punished for creating comical stereotypes. It seems to me a bit like going from one extreme to another. What do you think? Is society turning into a place were someone cannot speak freely?

You do realise that imagination is not a reliable source dont you?

Quite recently books from libraries around the UK have been banned and burnt because they contained the word 'black'.

Source please.

The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries

Source please.

and a Pakistani has more chance of getting a gun-license than a farmer!

Back up your claim.

No, they're just editing them. For example Conrad's The ****** of the Narcissus has been changed to The African-American of the Narcissus and movies like "The Soul of ****** Charlie" have been changed to "The soul of Person of Color Charlie".

Or Agatha Christie's acclaimed murder mystery 'And Then There Were None'. That's had its title changed countless times.

No. None have been edited either. I was just fooling around.

Sorry, I'm not really very awake at the moment.

I'd always be a little bit cautious before setting off on a thread about the whole "Baa Baa Black Sheep" thing, and by extension the other Shock Horror stories about what's been banned because the word 'black' is involved.

For a start, such oversensitivity is racist in itself, because the bans are usually initiated or suggested by whites, which implies that they don't think blacks would be intelligent enough to work out when someone's talking about them, and when they're talking about a sheep. Which is pretty insulting.

But the story about 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' has been doing the rounds on and off at least since the 1970s. It's one of those stories that's Really True because a friend of a friend was there and saw it. It seems to have happened everywhere, but no-one can seem to confirm any details. In other words, it's an urban legend. I say urban legend rather than urban myth because myth would imply that it hasn't actually happened. Obviously there's every possibility that it did, somewhere - but it's an old, old story, and so isn't evidence that political correctness is any more a total pain in the backside than it was last week.

I don't buy it. I can buy editing, but not book burning and banning. Unless it's something like Mein Kampf. Unreasonable, but understandable.

'Mein Kampf' should be exempt from burning too. It is a vital tool in understanding the motivations of Adolf Hitler and the reasoning and extent of his ideals.

'Mein Kampf' should be exempt from burning too. It is a vital tool in understanding the motivations of Adolf Hitler and the reasoning and extent of his ideals.
Hence: "Understandable, but unreasonable."

I agree things have gone too far. Take the recent issue of British banks that stopped distributing piggy banks because they may offensive to Muslims.

It seems to me that if people of a different ethnicity/culture emigrate to another country, they should be willing to accept aspects of their new host's culture. But that's silly old me :rolleyes:

Baa Baa Black Sheep has been replaced by Baa Baa Coloured Sheep. My little brother was taught this particular variation in nursey and I find it to be pathetic. Political Correctness (by white politicians with too much free time and who are scared of being called racist) has gone to the extremes now.

Further examples of PC madness in England;

There was a recent case of a council worker being told that using the term 'black bin liner' is offensive, and should instead say 'refuse bag'. They recieved a formal written warning from whichever council it was. Think that story was covered by The Metro, so it would be Metropolitan, Solihull or Birmingham council.

This is an old case, probably three or fours years old now but I will never forget it. A woman was banned from having a collection of ceramic pigs on her windowsil as they were offensive to Muslims. Instead she was told to place her ceramic pig collection somewhere out of view of the general public. (Ignore the fact she had net curtains and so seeing them from the street was nigh on impossible)

Then for the British Nanny State;

Children were recently made to wear protective goggles when playing with conkers...

Someone please bring sanity back to Britain.

I agree things have gone too far. Take the recent issue of British banks that stopped distributing piggy banks because they may offensive to Muslims.
How is that offensive? From my knowledge, though perhaps it's lacking, it would be more offensive to fat-cat CEOs. Money=pigs. Eh? Eh?

Baa Baa Black Sheep has been replaced by Baa Baa Coloured Sheep. My little brother was taught this particular variation in nursey and I find it to be pathetic. Political Correctness (by white politicians with too much free time and who are scared of being called racist) has gone to the extremes now.

Further examples of PC madness in England;

There was a recent case of a council worker being told that using the term 'black bin liner' is offensive, and should instead say 'refuse bag'. They recieved a formal written warning from whichever council it was. Think that story was covered by The Metro, so it would be Metropolitan, Solihull or Birmingham council.

This is an old case, probably three or fours years old now but I will never forget it. A woman was banned from having a collection of ceramic pigs on her windowsil as they were offensive to Muslims. Instead she was told to place her ceramic pig collection somewhere out of view of the general public. (Ignore the fact she had net curtains and so seeing them from the street was nigh on impossible)

Then for the British Nanny State;

Children were recently made to wear protective goggles when playing with conkers...

Someone please bring sanity back to Britain.
It's all because you got rid of privately owned guns. I've got no evidence for my statement, but I stand by it anyway.

'Mein Kampf' should be exempt from burning too. It is a vital tool in understanding the motivations of Adolf Hitler and the reasoning and extent of his ideals.


got a point there,

there is no point burning a book just becauseone does not agreewith what it contains and the views of the writer,

it would be the same as someone who believe that christianity is unreasonable....should they be allowed to burn the bible?

I don't believe any book should be burned, ever.

It's all because you got rid of privately owned guns. I've got no evidence for my statement, but I stand by it anyway.

More specifically privately owned flashlight-shotguns.

I suppose that I could deem Einstein's Bagels offensive because it identifies a Jewish stereotype (I'm a Jew), but I don't, because it doesn't matter. I could file a suit asking to have the franchise renamed to, say, Stephenson's Bagels, but that' BS. Black is a word, a Bagel is a food.

I don't think that made any sense.

I suppose that I could deem Einstein's Bagels offensive because it identifies a Jewish stereotype (I'm a Jew), but I don't, because it doesn't matter. I could file a suit asking to have the franchise renamed to, say, Stephenson's Bagels, but that' BS. Black is a word, a Bagel is a food.

I don't think that made any sense.


in that case what about all the irish pubs, close em down! they depict my fellow irishmen as loudmouth rowdy drunks...................oh wait we are. :rolleyes:

I don't believe any book should be burned, ever.
What if it's for a good time? Don't tell me you've never done that.
I once burned a dictionary for all the wrongs it's done to mankind. All that damn education, it's a bunch of bullshit.:rolleyes:

I don't believe any book should be burned, ever.

I agree.

in that case what about all the irish pubs, close em down! they depict my fellow irishmen as loudmouth rowdy drunks...................oh wait we are. :rolleyes:
And I love Bagels, or more specifically, Shmears.

In a British prison recently a cancer charity was banned from selling St. George badges because it "could be considered a racist symbol" or Brit-supremacist.

Hmmm...that's not racism, that is political correctness. If racism had gone too far, I picture the burning of minorities' houses, not un PC books. Though I don't think that was the implication of the nursery rhyme...

Hmmm...that's not racism, that is political correctness. If racism had gone too far, I picture the burning of minorities' houses, not un PC books. Though I don't think that was the implication of the nursery rhyme...
Agreed. Of course, that was [I]my[I] first thought, but I, you know, let go......


Well said.

People always become most concerned with the little insignificant things like phrasing of words

black and African American have the same connotation-- and if we are honest with ouselves-- not many people are truly offended by either term

Sometimes white people, or should I say European Americans, pretend to be.

Still, racism is a terrible thing that is very alive in our world, but the a slight difference in words is not going to fix the problem. Words are not the problem. Attitude is --
I know some very racist people and I don't call them racist because they use the word "Black". It is the way they act towards the Hispanic woman at the counter, or the way they act when they find themselves in a heavily "Black" neighborhood. It is things like this that make a person racist.

Basically people are weird--

What's the PC term for a black person in the UK? African British?

Books have been burnt for containing the word 'black'? That's news to me.

It's these over-the-top ethnical groups of illegal immigrants you have to blame. This did happen a year ago though and it was in the UK.

What if it's for a good time? Don't tell me you've never done that.
I once burned a dictionary for all the wrongs it's done to mankind. All that damn education, it's a bunch of bullshit.:rolleyes:


Actually I never have burned a book, and probably never will.

I think the term "color people" is more offensive than "black" itself.
First of all i've heard friends of mine who are black say this themselves, and second of all.. color people? Isnt white a color too? By calling blacks color people, we're basically saying their different from us (which they are in color, but) why arent white people then called, too, color people?

People always become most concerned with the little insignificant things like phrasing of words

black and African American have the same connotation-- and if we are honest with ouselves-- not many people are truly offended by either term

Sometimes white people, or should I say European Americans, pretend to be.

Still, racism is a terrible thing that is very alive in our world, but the a slight difference in words is not going to fix the problem. Words are not the problem. Attitude is --
I know some very racist people and I don't call them racist because they use the word "Black". It is the way they act towards the Hispanic woman at the counter, or the way they act when they find themselves in a heavily "Black" neighborhood. It is things like this that make a person racist.

Basically people are weird--

Racism does not have to be a bad thing.

So, if I buy a black car, do I have to call it a "car of color"? :p

So, if I buy a black car, do I have to call it a "car of color"? :p
Either that or African-Automobile.

I think the term "color people" is more offensive than "black" itself.
First of all i've heard friends of mine who are black say this themselves, and second of all.. color people? Isnt white a color too? By calling blacks color people, we're basically saying their different from us (which they are in color, but) why arent white people then called, too, color people?

Actually both black and white are not colours. However, I can understand your argument. Most blacks dislike the term coloured as it gives the impression that they have been coloured in.

It's these over-the-top ethnical groups of illegal immigrants you have to blame. This did happen a year ago though and it was in the UK.

Source? What was the book called?

Quite recently books from libraries around the UK have been banned and burnt because they contained the word 'black'.

Bollocks.


The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries

This is a story picked up from national newspapers which comes round agains and again. And is always a load of bullshit. What has happened is they have overheard a nursery game played by some kids which refers to "Ba Ba Black sheep" as "Ba ba rainbow sheep". It is not PCness, but a game where the rhyme is said with many colours used in the place of black... like those daft rhymes (My father went to sea sea seas, to see what he could see see see etc). People have overheard this, abnd presumed they are being taught this. As far as I know, that rhyme has about jack shit to do with black people anyway.


and a Pakistani has more chance of getting a gun-license than a farmer!

Eh? Whats your source? The BNP website?

Actually both black and white are not colours. However, I can understand your argument. Most blacks dislike the term coloured as it gives the impression that they have been coloured in.

Sorry for getting out of the context, but.. black and white are not colours?

It's these over-the-top ethnical groups of illegal immigrants you have to blame. This did happen a year ago though and it was in the UK.

Y'u what?

First, what is an over the top ethical group if illegal immigrants?

And when did they burn books?

Sorry for getting out of the context, but.. black and white are not colours?
Did you ever see a chaplin movie in colour? B&W they were, the lot of them!

Did you ever see a chaplin movie in colour? B&W they were, the lot of them!

They just call it B&W in opposition to the whole colour scheme available today.
I've always heard black and white were colours, why wouldnt they be colours exacly?

What's the PC term for a black person in the UK? African British?

'A black person'.

It used to be 'black', then they decided that it was offensive to use that word and changed it to 'coloured', then they decided that that was patronising (which it is - not to mention unspecific, since white people are coloured too), and changed it back to 'black'.

A lot of people still use the term 'coloured', but usually only because they've got confused somewhere along the way and still think it's the polite term. Generally those who intend offence have a range of different terms they like to use, none of which I'll bother going into here.

There's also the term 'African-Caribbean', which supersedes the older 'Afro-Caribbean', now considered offensive (for some reason. Oddly, we're still allowed to say 'Anglo-French' or 'Anglo-American' without it being offensive to the English).

The police conventionally use the 'Identifying Characteristics' sequence for brevity in radio communications, so it's still common to hear people familiar with the system refer to black people as 'IC-3' - although some argue that this is offensive because it puts black in third place behind 'white European' and 'dark European'. It's worth pointing out though that the IC system is purely descriptive because the police need to be able to send and understand physical descriptions quickly. Also included in the system is 'Oriental', which is generally considered outmoded and offensive now, but again is still a fast and descriptive way of describing a major component of someone's appearance.

Describing people of mixed race is also fraught with hazards. For example, I'd no doubt get strung up for saying 'mixed race', when the appropriate term is 'dual heritage'. Those who say 'half-caste' (:eek:) should of course do the patriotic thing and submit themselves for summary destruction at their local Hall of Justice.

It's all a lot of nonsense. By the way, as a Brit, I'm not often called upon to use the fatuous term 'Native American' - but when the opportunity arises I refuse to do so because to my mind it's stupid to imagine that calling them 'American' should be any less offensive than calling them 'Indian'.

Okay, I'll stop ranting now.

They just call it B&W in opposition to the whole colour scheme available today.
I've always heard black and white were colours, why wouldnt they be colours exacly?


Black is the absence of colour.

It's these over-the-top ethnical groups of illegal immigrants you have to blame. This did happen a year ago though and it was in the UK.

What? Balls, I say. The Daily Mail would have been up in arms about something like that (Illegal immigrants + Fire = END OF TEH WORLD!). So where's your damned evidence?

Racism does not have to be a bad thing.

Well, if racism is defined as "doing bad things to people because of their race," then I would say that it would pretty much have to be a bad thing.

What? Balls, I say. The Daily Mail would have been up in arms about something like that (Illegal immigrants + Fire = END OF TEH WORLD!). So where's your damned evidence?

This isn't Evidence but this just show's that there alot of people against this the PC Brigade.

http://www.capc.co.uk/views_and_comments.htm

I don't believe any book should be burned, ever.
With due respect, I disagree.

If there's one thing Red Dwarf (a UK creation) has taught me is that it's okay to burn books in order to stay warm and survive. Especially if you're stranded on an ice planet and waiting for your buddies to find and rescue you.

This isn't Evidence but this just show's that there alot of people against this the PC Brigade.

http://www.capc.co.uk/views_and_comments.htm

Yes. I'm against much of the PC nonsense. But illegal immigrants burning books? That sounds like crappy propaganda.

PC brigade?

You know what, people complaining about PC should shut the fuck up. Honestly, keep your whining to yourself. Don't like it? Leave. Go live somewhere like the Isle of Man, or Somerset. I think you can still get away with being a racist there.

With due respect, I disagree.

If there's one thing Red Dwarf (a UK creation) has taught me is that it's okay to burn books in order to stay warm and survive. Especially if you're stranded on an ice planet and waiting for your buddies to find and rescue you.

But don't kiss the hot women. Because in reality they are disgustiong bug-like aliens waiting to suck your brains out.

They just call it B&W in opposition to the whole colour scheme available today.
I've always heard black and white were colours, why wouldnt they be colours exacly?
In painting, white is the absence of colour. Black is all the colours put together.

In physics (specifically in light) it'S the other way around: white is all the colours together and black is the absence of colour.

But don't kiss the hot women. Because in reality they are disgustiong bug-like aliens waiting to suck your brains out.
And always believe what data your radar tells you before your own senses.

PC brigade?

You know what, people complaining about PC should shut the fuck up. Honestly, keep your whining to yourself. Don't like it? Leave. Go live somewhere like the Isle of Man, or Somerset. I think you can still get away with being a racist there.

Look old chap, to be against PC isn't neccessarily to be racist. I'm by no means a racist; '******', 'Kike' etc should never be used in society, polite or not. Neither do I believe anyone to be inferior to me, or superior to that matter. However, it's when things start to get a wee ridiculous that I get annoyed. Especially here in Britain under the New Labour government, it does get a tad annoying...

Look old chap, to be against PC isn't neccessarily to be racist. I'm by no means a racist; '******', 'Kike' etc should never be used in society, polite or not. Neither do I believe anyone to be inferior to me, or superior to that matter. However, it's when things start to get a wee ridiculous that I get annoyed. Especially here in Britain under the New Labour government, it does get a tad annoying...

A whole bunch of idiots shout 'PC gone mad!' whenever somebody objects to their racism. Those are the fucking morons that was supposed to address, perhaps I should have been clearer.

I agree things have gone too far. Take the recent issue of British banks that stopped distributing piggy banks because they may offensive to Muslims.

It seems to me that if people of a different ethnicity/culture emigrate to another country, they should be willing to accept aspects of their new host's culture. But that's silly old me :rolleyes:

ive never seen muslims behave like that. i am a muslim and i have a muslim family, and we have never found pigs offensive, you are just not allowed to eat pigs.

but then again, i guess every religion has its odd nuts

Me too. Black isn't a negative word, either. If it's offensive, here is a simple solution. "Please don't call me black," says the African-American man.

I always thought it was funny when they call themselves African-American. Anyone with a real education would realize that you cannot hold citizenship with a continent, only a country, let alone having dual citizenship with a continent. And even if they traced their roots, they would still only be American; how many of them would ever make a trip to anywhere in Africa, much less take up citizenship there, few if any.

Why give a shit what someone wants to be called? Does it really cause a massive inconvenience to you to just respect people's wishes?

A whole bunch of idiots shout 'PC gone mad!' whenever somebody objects to their racism. Those are the fucking morons that was supposed to address, perhaps I should have been clearer.

Ahhhh, okay. Yes, they are idiots. Removing piggy banks so as not to offend Muslims is PC going to an odd end. Being able to call black people '******' etc is definitely not 'PC going mad!!11'

This isn't racism but i'm pretty sure i heard about a play of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves having to be changed to 'Snow White and the Seven Happy Forest Gaurdiens because dwarf is an offensive word...

For a start, such oversensitivity is racist in itself, because the bans are usually initiated or suggested by whites, which implies that they don't think blacks would be intelligent enough to work out when someone's talking about them, and when they're talking about a sheep. Which is pretty insulting.

Why does it have to be suggested or initiated by a white person? How do you know it wasn't someone of Asian decent? They are, on average, more intelligent than white people. I think that people use the 'race card' whenever something does not go their way; it is pathetic that they cannot accept that sometimes life does not treat you fairly and that skin color has nothing to do with it.

I think it's a good sign. Society is really trying to ake sure everyone gets along. Maybe governments are going down a slightly bizzarre path, but hey, it's all going to the same end.

I don't buy it. I can buy editing, but not book burning and banning. Unless it's something like Mein Kampf. Unreasonable, but understandable.

Do not show nudity it could pervert your soul.

YES I'm ban in UK, and you know why...
YES I wanted a whitty bar at the congress, they said no, the ****ck one is enough.
YES I can't read His Kampf, I don't read German.
Yes some foreign books in the UK are VERY racist.

e.g. Simenon(1) who writes "the ****** has been arrested"
Would you re-write his book or say the guy is racist ?

I ban any non black in my country to avoid racism, I'm the great black priest.
But for the time being I stay the High Priest, a lucrative and lazy post I created to be the father of your children.

Bye for now I've the Scriptures to re-write.

Now let's pray, we need to care no more racists invade our nice country, even God knows we are on his side (yes God is ***ck), amen.

The High Priest
- On the **** screen of my **** nites -

(1) Simenon author of "Commissaire Maigret" - Famous Belgian Novelist.

M-m-m-multitroll!

Hush! this question will lead to the downfall of the usas!

I suppose that I could deem Einstein's Bagels offensive because it identifies a Jewish stereotype (I'm a Jew), but I don't, because it doesn't matter. I could file a suit asking to have the franchise renamed to, say, Stephenson's Bagels, but that' BS. Black is a word, a Bagel is a food.

I don't think that made any sense.

That made perfect sense, and could not have been written any better; a word is a word, no more, no less.

Actually both black and white are not colours. However, I can understand your argument. Most blacks dislike the term coloured as it gives the impression that they have been coloured in.

Technically you are right because they are only words, but they represent colors. Black represents the absense of all colors, and white represents the inclusion of all colors. You can make up another word for the two colors, but it will still mean the same thing.

Quite recently books from libraries around the UK have been banned and burnt because they contained the word 'black'. The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries and a Pakistani has more chance of getting a gun-license than a farmer!
I was just wondering if racism has gone too far the other way with schools becoming an ethnical minefield were one can be punished for creating comical stereotypes. It seems to me a bit like going from one extreme to another. What do you think? Is society turning into a place were someone cannot speak freely?
its not racist its politicaly correct and that shit sucks.. im a harcore nationalist i love my country. and all of this pc shit makes us all look weak.(im from the USA). i dont see why the government has to comply to none citizens demands. for example in my country. fucking illegals demanding they get instant citizenship.bull shitt. go home illegal. come back the legal way.as for the u.k. you guys and all of europe have the muslim problem.what the hell are you wating for a 9/11 on your side.if the fucking terrorist muslims dont like it tuff shitt go home muslim...extreme pc crap needs to end. ZOG organisations like the ACLU,is what has AMERICA by the balls.bunch of out of work jew lawyers with nothing better to do.so they go after the AMERICAN PEOPLE... TELL IT LIKE IT IS.. DONT LET YOUR SELF BE CENSORED..

I pretty much agree with Gate Builders in this one. Even though it might get a bit silly sometimes, and over reacting is unfortunately quite common, it's still better to be too PC than the other way around.

This question leads to the downfall of the u s a, and the rest of the "western world.""

Racism does not have to be a bad thing.

Well, if racism is defined as "doing bad things to people because of their race," then I would say that it would pretty much have to be a bad thing.

I think they were referring to racialism, which is different from racism.

- inanely written rant -

If we would be as racist as you seem to want towards those muslims, then we would have a "muslim problem". They're not going to go suicide bombing if they're being treated fairly.

PC brigade?

You know what, people complaining about PC should shut the fuck up. Honestly, keep your whining to yourself. Don't like it? Leave. Go live somewhere like the Isle of Man, or Somerset. I think you can still get away with being a racist there.

Why should people stop complaining about being PC, when you are not being PC yourself? The point of being politically correct was so that you did not offend anyone else with your speech. You support PC, then you speak out as if you are not bound by it. Don't be a hypocrit.

Why should people stop complaining about being PC, when you are not being PC yourself? The point of being politically correct was so that you did not offend anyone else with your speech. You support PC, then you speak out as if you are not bound by it. Don't be a hypocrit.

I'm dropping to the level of the morons. Besides, all I said was that it was a good idea. I don't claim to follow it to perfection, muppet.

Note: H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e.

"Oh Noes! We can't call them Niggers, Kikes, and Wops anymore!

The world has gone insane!!!

PC has ruined my life!!"

Do you have any idea just how retarded you sound?

If we would be as racist as you seem to want towards those muslims, then we would have a "muslim problem". They're not going to go suicide bombing if they're being treated fairly.

Well they seem to be receiving better treatment than any other in America, and look what they did. And living in an area where Muslims run rampant, I can say that they receive better treatment.

Oh god I hate PC. I dont know if this has been bought up, (im tired and want to go to bed, but thought Id append something) but over here in Aus, we have just changed the lyrics of Baa Baa Black sheep to Baa Baa Rainbow sheep. I mean, wtf. Have you ever met a black whos offended by that song?
I hate these people. Not blacks, not even sheep, but people who try to push this stuff.
Im sure it would have been a room of white, upper class men, with greying hair and new suits that passed this.
Screw this man, I havent sung that rhyme in many a year, but I'm taking it up again.
besides, Rainbow has too many syllables. As if 5 year olds dont have enough to worry about.
:upyours:
Again, sorry if this has already been brought up (i suspect it has), but I felt like I needed to say something. Was good to get it off my chest :p

Can someone show me in any nation's Constitution or give me a direct link to some country's legislation that has officially changed "Baa Baa Black Sheep" with fines or jail time for keeping the original?

No?

Then STFU.

Madnestan, thanks for talking some sense into this, and The Jackals Pack, I think it has more to do with military involvement, and fair enough. Im not condoning this, innocent people dieing is never a good thing, but over here there was apparently a plot to blow up one of our military bases (were in Australia, so our military base is a converted sheep station with a few rafts).
And the reason this wont end is the same reason US had to pull out of Vietnam. If someone killed your family, would you lay back, or would you join your friends and blow something up? Im pressed to blow something up right now, and my family is fine. (Dont worry, the meds kick in soon)

AND while there was an attack before there was major military involvement in the middle east, people dont just blow things up. If everyone that had an evil idea acted on it, the world would be finished. I know the US did have bases and the like in many countries, I remember getting news footage on the morning of sept 11, (though I was a lot younger, might have mixed it up with something else.. woulda been a big co incedence though)

The morning of september 11th? I thought it was later, but I'm wrong. Nuts.

Keru, calm down. It doesnt have to be official to be real, but it was on the news :o
TV doesnt lie man. Teachers and the like arent using the old song anymore.
BUT they would have had a whisper or something from politicians, journalists dont just say "Lets change the lyrics to nursery rhymes"
If your for PC, fair enough, im not arguing that. I dont believe in it, but im not going to go to fisticuffs. I just dont like having to watch everything I say in case I upset a minority. Or, majority-impaired.

The morning of september 11th?

Apparently something happened. I've forgotten what.

its not racist its politicaly correct and that shit sucks.. im a harcore nationalist i love my country. and all of this pc shit makes us all look weak.(im from the USA). i dont see why the government has to comply to none citizens demands. for example in my country. fucking illegals demanding they get instant citizenship.bull shitt. go home illegal. come back the legal way.as for the u.k. you guys and all of europe have the muslim problem.what the hell are you wating for a 9/11 on your side.if the fucking terrorist muslims dont like it tuff shitt go home muslim...extreme pc crap needs to end. ZOG organisations like the ACLU,is what has AMERICA by the balls.bunch of out of work jew lawyers with nothing better to do.so they go after the AMERICAN PEOPLE... TELL IT LIKE IT IS.. DONT LET YOUR SELF BE CENSORED..Oh, of course. How could we forget the Jews are somehow to blame for all of this...

I just dont like having to watch everything I say in case I upset a minority.

You should watch what you say to avoid offending anyone. Didn't your mama teach you manners?

In 1910 Germans were singing Baa Baa schwarze Schafe and look what happened 30 years later.

Yep gate ^^ I remember seein explosions and the like on tele, and my mum came in after I told her someone had blown up the towers, and thought it was just another middle eastern conflict (until they showed the actual tape). I dunno though, i was about 12? 11?

Apparently something happened. I've forgotten what.

Ha fucking ha.

The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries

Actually, this was a myth put around by the scare-mongering tabloids. Only one nursery removed the word 'black' from 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' and that was so they could replace it with the colours of the rainbow, which they were teaching the children at the time.

Well they seem to be receiving better treatment than any other in America, and look what they did. And living in an area where Muslims run rampant, I can say that they receive better treatment.

How many of Al Qaeda's members were/are american muslims, exactly? That's what I thought, too. Daily racism will make young and frustrated muslim men easy targets for the extremists.
Being PC will certainly not dissolve the problem, but it's still something.

Keru its more important to have an opinion than to live life treading on egg shells, even if that opinion is offensive to some.
If people hadnt offended the church, and said that the earth revolved around the sun, would we be better off?
Or well try something different.
If black conciousness workers hadnt offended white people, when saying we should all be equal, would you be happier?
the PC Paradox

How many of Al Qaeda's members were american muslims, exactly?

Al Qaeda doesn't exist as a single organisation, so exactly none.

Keru its more important to have an opinion than to live life treading on egg shells, even if that opinion is offensive to some.
If people hadnt offended the church, and said that the earth revolved around the sun, would we be better off?
Or well try something different.
If black conciousness workers hadnt offended white people, when saying we should all be equal, would you be happier?
the PC ParadoxIf you can't tell when to be polite and when not it's no surprise that you hate the concept.

If people hadnt offended the church, and said that the earth revolved around the sun, would we be better off?

You're comparing Copernicus's battle to some backwoods hick being able to say ****** at school?

Al Qaeda doesn't exist as a single organisation, so exactly none.

Exactly.

Actually, this was a myth put around by the scare-mongering tabloids. Only one nursery removed the word 'black' from 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' and that was so they could replace it with the colours of the rainbow, which they were teaching the children at the time.

You know I'm not at all surprised that the whole thing was just a massive beat up. Just what are people trying to communicate when they say these things? Are they trying to say things like, "Sure racism has resulted in bad things like gassing people and hacking people up into little pieces, but tolerance has resulted in things just as bad such as children not being able to sing baa baa black sheep."

In 1910 Germans were singing Baa Baa schwarze Schafe and look what happened 30 years later.

They conquered Poland and France?

In painting, white is the absence of colour. Black is all the colours put together.

In physics (specifically in light) it'S the other way around: white is all the colours together and black is the absence of colour.

Exactly!

How many of Al Qaeda's members were/are american muslims, exactly? That's what I thought, too. Daily racism will make young and frustrated muslim men easy targets for the extremists.
Being PC will certainly not dissolve the problem, but it's still something.

Thats not the point.. one thing is being PC, other thing is totally overdoing it to the point of ridiculous.

They conquered Poland and France?

See what baa baa black sheep can lead too?

See what baa baa black sheep can lead too?

No. I keep my eyes closed.

Actually, this was a myth put around by the scare-mongering tabloids. Only one nursery removed the word 'black' from 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' and that was so they could replace it with the colours of the rainbow, which they were teaching the children at the time.

Ahh... thats the full story. I knew it was a load of rubbish (as these kind of stories are normally), thanks to the good old Private Eye, but I misremembered it as a game kids play in the playground. Ah well... Still, I was right that the story was a total misunderstanding by those sections of the media that want to represent a slightly... lets say less desirable sector of the population.

Why does it have to be suggested or initiated by a white person?

I didn't say it 'had' to be. I said it usually was.

Keru, calm down. It doesnt have to be official to be real, but it was on the news :o
TV doesnt lie man.

Nor does it bother to research the history of its stories before it re-uses them, apparently.

The problem with Political Correctness is that the people who espouse it are intolerant. Sure they preach diversity, but their version of it is inherently racist. In order for a group to be "diverse" it needs members of different races. Why? What is the underlying logic here? The implication is that Blacks and Whites, for example are so inherently different, that they can not be the same. A group of 100 random white people is less diverse than a group of 100 15 year old Kids from the same High School, that happens to have a mixture of races? The black mind is so unscrutable to the white man, so different, that they only way to fathom how blacks think is to be one? And just, how pray tell, does Blacks have a perspective, as a group? Is that not racist? Is there a white perspective? Do Asians think alike? Can I ask my friend Wang a question on Politics and apply it to all Asians?

They preach tolerance, but only on meaningless issues. You do not think that homosexuals should get married? They do not tolerate *that*, they will hurl insults. Homophobe! A good deal of Americans think that marriage is between a man and a woman on religous grounds. The PC crowd does not tolerate that!

Tolerance is a virtue, for those without convictions.

I think Rape is wrong, but I will tolerate those that do it. Does that make sense?

Quite recently books from libraries around the UK have been banned and burnt because they contained the word 'black'. The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries and a Pakistani has more chance of getting a gun-license than a farmer!
I was just wondering if racism has gone too far the other way with schools becoming an ethnical minefield were one can be punished for creating comical stereotypes. It seems to me a bit like going from one extreme to another. What do you think? Is society turning into a place were someone cannot speak freely?

These are all lies; the nursery story was proven to be so after it was reported.

Plus your title is ridiculous - I think you mean 'Has Political Correctness Gone Too Far?' - a question asked by racists everywhere.

"ethnical minefield " I hope that's a typo.

Are you a Daily Mail reader?

Quite recently books from libraries around the UK have been banned and burnt because they contained the word 'black'. The rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep' has been banned from some nurseries and a Pakistani has more chance of getting a gun-license than a farmer!
I was just wondering if racism has gone too far the other way with schools becoming an ethnical minefield were one can be punished for creating comical stereotypes. It seems to me a bit like going from one extreme to another. What do you think? Is society turning into a place were someone cannot speak freely?In which part of the UK is it now library policy to ban then burn books because they contain the word black?

Which nurseries have banned nursery rhymes?

What figures do you quote regarding Pakistani/farmer gun ratios?

No I don't agree that society in the UK has stopped people from speaking freely, rather people are encouraged to speak repectfully with regard to other cultural, gender identity, ethnic, etc. backgrounds.

Unfortunately there are still too many people who feel they have the right to say what they like about things that are out of their own experience and understanding.

One of the most dangerous things is the sort of person who speaks out in total ignorance without considering what is factual and what is offensive.

I don't buy it. I can buy editing, but not book burning and banning. Unless it's something like Mein Kampf. Unreasonable, but understandable.My local library has a copy of mein Kampf. I also think it should. It shows the mindset of a sociopathic racist, reading it helps everyone to understand why intolerence and bigotry is so unnaceptable. It's a tolerant society that can allow people to make up their own minds and promote discussion about differing perspectives.

racism, as with many others terms/ideas, are now going to the extreme. While there may not always be a middle ground, there need not be all the way left or right. At first people with say whatever with no remorse. Now it seems to be going the opposite way. Simply behaive in ways that if such were done to you, all would be good. What ever happened to do unto others?

i think racist should be allowed to speak thier opions freely. by criminilising them you make them heros by there people.
an irish dude was interviewing the kkk on the t.v. and what he said about them at the end was, "if an idiot screams in an empty forest, does anyone care?"

best way to defeat racism, is to allow racist comedy. when racism becomes funny, then no one will take racist views seriously.

i think racist should be allowed to speak thier opions freely. by criminilising them you make them heros by there people.
an irish dude was interviewing the kkk on the t.v. and what he said about them at the end was, "if an idiot screams in an empty forest, does anyone care?"

best way to defeat racism, is to allow racist comedy. when racism becomes funny, then no one will take racist views seriously.It can eaqually be argued that to laugh at racist comedy is to legitimise racism.

In the 60's Warren Mitchell played the part of "Alf Garnet" in "ill death us do part". His idea was to highlight the bigoted intolerant tory racist in an ironic manner. Sadly, it didn't work and too many people just didn't "get it". That never stopped the show being hugely popular as a racist medium of humour.