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I know what you're probably thinking, so, here's the story in a nutshell.

2nd Period today in school, US History. We're learning about the Civil Rights Movements, and how not every group used non-violent actions in their protests. Some were violent. Hell, some were nothing short of riots.

So we learn about the Black Panthers, a violent African American Rights Activists group, and their rallying call, "Black Power." And then we find out that Native Americans were doing the same thing, with a rallying call of "Red Power."

This shocks me and my friend, Chris. People seeking equality not based on the color of their skin, are using a call based on the color of their skin. So we ask the teacher about it, and she gets pretty heated, saying that they had every right to say and do what they wanted because "that was the times."

So me and Chris continue the argument further, saying it's odd for people seeking equality to riot and loot and destroy, furthering their stereotype, and we still think that the whole Black Power and Red Power thing is a bit wierd. Our teacher assures us that the -Power calls were only to promote pride in their respective races. So finally, my friend Chris (an Italian-American), asks in a perfectly calm tone,

" So, is it okay then for me to say white-power?"

Our teacher FLIPS. Goes completely nuts, says that me and Chris are no better than the KKK, that "white power" is automatically assumed to mean "let's go and lynch minorities," and that white power is a rascist comment.

Rascist? She just told us a moment ago that it was pride in your heritage, wasn't it?

So then, Chris tries again by asking " Alright then, so can I say tan-power?" (Pride in our Italian-Meditteranean heritage).

Our teacher once again goes balisitic, calls us both rascist, throws us out of the room and tries to give us both a week's worth of detentions.

People who are reading this, me (Don) and Chris are both 17, in our Junior year of High School, and are fairly educated on what it means to be "rascist" We are, with a high degree of certainty, NOT rascist, although I could be wrong.

So now, I ask you. I have not changed facts or invented anything said here; this is exactly how the day's events happened.

So can someone please answer my question? Am I rascist for this?

You my friend, have just discovered one of the many hypocracies of liberalism. It just gets worse in college. If you are a white straight male, prepared to be attacked at every turn, or to see things you probably won't like. Shit, my college gave out shirts for the vagina monologues reading "G{0}t Vagina?" There is a woman's league, 3 or 4 homosexual groups, and several minority empowerment centers. At the same time, there is no male fourm or white fourm. It is a blatant double standard, and there isn't much that can be done.

Sadly, you are. All racial heritages are fine to be proud of, except the white.

You my friend, have just discovered one of the many hypocracies of liberalism. It just gets worse in college.


Much much worse in college, you can learn it, but dare repeat it or question it and may the system have mercy on your soul.

Sadly, you are. All racial heritages are fine to be proud of, except the white.
LOL!

Whiteys are not allowed to show happiness externally, only internally.

Not racist. Your teacher was being hypocritical.

I know what you're probably thinking, so, here's the story in a nutshell.

2nd Period today in school, US History. We're learning about the Civil Rights Movements, and how not every group used non-violent actions in their protests. Some were violent. Hell, some were nothing short of riots.

So we learn about the Black Panthers, a violent African American Rights Activists group, and their rallying call, "Black Power." And then we find out that Native Americans were doing the same thing, with a rallying call of "Red Power."

This shocks me and my friend, Chris. People seeking equality not based on the color of their skin, are using a call based on the color of their skin. So we ask the teacher about it, and she gets pretty heated, saying that they had every right to say and do what they wanted because "that was the times."

So me and Chris continue the argument further, saying it's odd for people seeking equality to riot and loot and destroy, furthering their stereotype, and we still think that the whole Black Power and Red Power thing is a bit wierd. Our teacher assures us that the -Power calls were only to promote pride in their respective races. So finally, my friend Chris (an Italian-American), asks in a perfectly calm tone,

" So, is it okay then for me to say white-power?"

Our teacher FLIPS. Goes completely nuts, says that me and Chris are no better than the KKK, that "white power" is automatically assumed to mean "let's go and lynch minorities," and that white power is a rascist comment.

Rascist? She just told us a moment ago that it was pride in your heritage, wasn't it?

So then, Chris tries again by asking " Alright then, so can I say tan-power?" (Pride in our Italian-Meditteranean heritage).

Our teacher once again goes balisitic, calls us both rascist, throws us out of the room and tries to give us both a week's worth of detentions.

People who are reading this, me (Don) and Chris are both 17, in our Junior year of High School, and are fairly educated on what it means to be "rascist" We are, with a high degree of certainty, NOT rascist, although I could be wrong.

So now, I ask you. I have not changed facts or invented anything said here; this is exactly how the day's events happened.

So can someone please answer my question? Am I rascist for this?

Naaa if you say that you are not racist the I have to belive you. I found your questioning of your teacher to be right and proper to get a good educatioon, I feel the teacher over reacted.

However having said that the points she made where vaild. In that time and when them sentiments where around the call of black power was then a rallying cry and a method of empowerment. Much like the girl power we had over here in the UK with the fuckin(sorry) spice girls. However today in a world more racily balanced I would view a call of black power or white power with a degree of uncomfatablness, and would ask exactly what sentiments are behind such a cry.

Anyhhoo I hope that helps.

No, you are not, don't get yourself too worries about things, all you did was follow things to a logical conculsion. The thing is that White Power has very negative connatation, especially in the U.S , as white people have never been really opressed because of the colour of their skin, its seen as a more supremacist slogan than anything else.
For the record though, though its completelty irrelevant, I think that while the riots and violence of groups were violent and I belive that violence never actually solves anything in the long term, considering the situation and the fustration, I think their actions were somewhat understandable. Just brought it up because you seem to wondering about the riots.
You're not racist though.:cool:

Good news, you are not racist. As long as you were making your points calmly then I think she overreacted.

as white people have never been really opressed because of the colour of their skin
Ever hear of NINA? Or what those same oppressed Irish peoples did to my Polish ancestors?

If you want to talk about riots, after the Rodney King trial, black people were pissed at what they saw as racist white people, so they attacked and burned korean grocery stores.

IMO, it's the people who think "White Power" is evil and "Black/Red power" is fine, who are racist. Any cries of "*insert color here* power are highly questionable as far as I'm concerned.

Blatant hypocrisy! By the way, you say that she attempted to issue a punishment. Did she not succeed? I most certainly hope not. And if you haven't already then report her to the Headmaster or Headmistress (whichever) for her accusation. I have similar annoyances during my History classes. It's all "Scotland this" and "Scotland that". Oh, here's the best one: "Changing Life In Scotland and Britain". And when I try to point out that it was the United Kingdom which made all of the reforms then look away!

...white people have never been really opressed because of the colour of their skin...

Dear Mr. Mugabe.

If you want to talk about riots, after the Rodney King trial, black people were pissed at what they saw as racist white people, so they attacked and burned korean grocery stores.

LOL
Isn't ignorance grand?

Its a shame to say that most of the modern world is ignorant to everyone else, if people for once would just see past the color, and race and just see everyone else as a person, then maybe everyone will finally get the picture and get along. Until then, bring on the retardation celebration.

Not racist. Your teacher was being hypocritical.
No, she was being racist.

No, she was being racist.
Are the two mutually exclusive now?

Are the two mutually exclusive now?
Nope. Good point. I just wanted to make sure that her racism was commented on as well.

Tell me what a Rascist is and I might be able to answer your question.

Yea, no worry my friend you are not a racist, A simple inocent question, Should not have provoked such an outrage. I had a similar account happent to me. I have a shirt that says "DIRTY JEW" on it, and well when i was in school, I almost got expelled for it. Sad thing is...I am A JEW, and I eat beacon, sio in essence it makes me a "dirty jew". I thiought it was funny, but apperently, its like saying "wite power"

best thing to do is stop being white. and make it quick.

Based on the posted information, you don't seem like a racist and it seems like your teacher overreacted.

However, I do agree with some of the points you say she brought up. And you have to remember that there is a difference between a group calling for more power when they already are the majority and in reality have the power (white power), and when a minority that is oppressed calls for more power to reach a state of equality (black power) - with 1950s/1960s America set as a backdrop.

Today, it would be different.

best thing to do is stop being white. and make it quick.

Yeah. Try wearing black-face to school. You'll get along just fine.:D

Yea, no worry my friend you are not a racist, A simple inocent question, Should not have provoked such an outrage. I had a similar account happent to me. I have a shirt that says "DIRTY JEW" on it, and well when i was in school, I almost got expelled for it. Sad thing is...I am A JEW, and I eat beacon, sio in essence it makes me a "dirty jew". I thiought it was funny, but apperently, its like saying "wite power"

I was hauled over the coals for pointing out that the Nazis didn't direct their genocide solely against Jews. Ridiculous is it not?

best thing to do is stop being white. and make it quick.
But... but... wouldn't that make you the Anti-Jackson? :eek:

Pie Iesu Domine, Dona Eis Requiem

Your teacher is a twat. I'd tell her that.

Black Power is every bit as racist as White Power. And every bit as stupid.

Don, you and Chris shoudl be commended for speaking up. I'll bet 90% of that class were probably thinking the same thing, or at least some of it, but wouldn't speak up either for fear of that teacher or fear of what it would do to their image in front of the oter students.

I have a teenage son and if he finds himself in the same situation, I hope he speaks up too.

See, what that teacher fails to realize is that this country is about the right to exchange ideas and thoughts... and stamping out yuor words and ideas is working against your education, not for it. When ideas can be exchanged, it's education. When the flow is only one way, it's brainwashing.

as white people have never been really opressed because of the colour of their skin

Ever hear of NINA? Or what those same oppressed Irish peoples did to my Polish ancestors?

If you want to talk about riots, after the Rodney King trial, black people were pissed at what they saw as racist white people, so they attacked and burned korean grocery stores.


Err... are not the Irish and the Polish both white? Thus the Irish oppression of the Polish was not based on skin color but nationality, a somewhat different issue.

Blacks were upset with whites so they attacked Koreans? While this may be the truth, it was not an oppression of whites, as Koreans are not caucasian. And, in fact, it was not oppression at all, it was a backlash against what was seen as oppression.

As a group, caucasians have not ever been oppressed based on skin color. Attacked upon occasion, certainly, but never subject to systematic oppression by another racial group.

So they're next in the firing line. Like the hydrological cycle, we'll just end up back at the beginning and the oppression can begin again. Well then, let's get on with it.

You are not a racist, however your teacher is a liberal racist.

Where does it say that Whites can't be proud of their heirtage.

Right now Charlotte, NC has Confederate Week, and I am enjoying it.

You are not a racist, however your teacher is a liberal racist.

Where does it say that Whites can't be proud of their heirtage.

Right now Charlotte, NC has Confederate Week, and I am enjoying it.
Stamping out free speech is not true liberal behavior. I'm afraid that true liberals are an endangered species.

You are not a racist, however your teacher is a liberal racist.
..."liberal"? :confused:

Stamping out free speech is not true liberal behavior. I'm afraid that true liberals are an endangered species.

Well we'll just call her leftist ok?

Certainly not racist... it's the context you say it in that count, I guess...

I've wanted to report quite some black guys that called me a "white-ass motherfucker" for racism. But that would just get me a detention or 10 for being racistic =/ Ah well, people are idiots, and even more when they think only white poeple can discriminate =/

I was hauled over the coals for pointing out that the Nazis didn't direct their genocide solely against Jews. Ridiculous is it not?

I took a course on the Holocaust in college and wrote my final paper on the Nazi treatment of homosexuals (they actually got worse treatment in the camps than the Jews). I also referenced the fact that the Nazis rounded up Gypsies and political prisoners and other less documented groups for extermination. My professor was of the "it was all about the Jews" school as well. The thesis of my paper, however, was that if we forget about all the other persecuted groups, and there is ample proof that they were persecuted, we might just as well forget about the Jews. If we allow genocide to go unnoted for even a small group, it is ethically as wrong as if we deny the holocaust ever happened at all.

Well we'll just call her leftist ok?
Fine. I consider myself fairly liberal and don't want to be lumped in with people like her. True Liberals are like the ACLU. They'll protect even the KKK's right to free speech and equal treatment under the law.

So we learn about the Black Panthers, a violent African American Rights Activists group, and their rallying call, "Black Power." And then we find out that Native Americans were doing the same thing, with a rallying call of "Red Power."

This shocks me and my friend, Chris. People seeking equality not based on the color of their skin, are using a call based on the color of their skin. So we ask the teacher about it, and she gets pretty heated, saying that they had every right to say and do what they wanted because "that was the times."

that's a stupid reason - are you sure that's what she said? cause there is a real explanation, and it's fairly obvious.

blacks and native americans were (and largely still are) locked out of power. to call for black power is to call for that situation to end, for blacks to take power that had been unustly taken and violently kept from them. this has linguistic counterparts in feminism, gay rights, immigrant rights, etc.

Certainly not racist... it's the context you say it in that count, I guess...

I've wanted to report quite some black guys that called me a "white-ass motherfucker" for racism. But that would just get me a detention or 10 for being racistic =/ Ah well, people are idiots, and even more when they think only white poeple can discriminate =/

Huh...you should see some of the rubbish that I have to put up with. Not strictly racist, but discrimination nonetheless.

Your teacher is a mad cow, she should be re-educated in what she is trying to teach clearly that is wrong to call that racism. She herself is the racist in the situation. That is my two cents, do with it what you like.

I took a course on the Holocaust in college and wrote my final paper on the Nazi treatment of homosexuals (they actually got worse treatment in the camps than the Jews). I also referenced the fact that the Nazis rounded up Gypsies and political prisoners and other less documented groups for extermination. My professor was of the "it was all about the Jews" school as well. The thesis of my paper, however, was that if we forget about all the other persecuted groups, and there is ample proof that they were persecuted, we might just as well forget about the Jews. If we allow genocide to go unnoted for even a small group, it is ethically as wrong as if we deny the holocaust ever happened at all.

Tell that to the Scottish 5-14 History Course.

This just reminds me of an idiotic situation I witnessed when I was in highschool. In US history, we were discussing the 60's and 70's, and when we got to protests and such, one guy yelled out "fight the power!" -- the teacher misheard him and kicked him out of class. She was quite certain she heard him yell out "white power", and that he was trying to stir up an argument.

Well we'll just call her leftist ok?
..."leftist"? :confused:

This just reminds me of an idiotic situation I witnessed when I was in highschool. In US history, we were discussing the 60's and 70's, and when we got to protests and such, one guy yelled out "fight the power!" -- the teacher misheard him and kicked him out of class. She was quite certain she heard him yell out "white power", and that he was trying to stir up an argument.

Sorry, she threw him out because he might have been trying to start a debate? Is there anything wrong with trying to justify a slightly unsavoury (shall we say) opinion in a debate. It is a very important skill to learn, to be able to accentuate the good points of something which one dislikes oneself. What a to-do!

Sorry, she threw him out because he might have been trying to start a debate? Is there anything wrong with trying to justify a slightly unsavoury (shall we say) opinion in a debate. It is a very important skill to learn, to be able to accentuate the good points of something which one dislikes oneself. What a to-do!

This was a public school, and our principal did not allow debates. On one hand, I defend the teacher for following the policy she agreed to and protecting her job. On the other hand, I almost feel inclined to defend the student, although I knew the guy rather well and had a feeling he was just trying to disrupt class.

We were starting to discuss the Civil Rights Movement in particular -- that's probably why she misheard him. However, there were flags, photos, and posters in our book with the words "black power" emblazoned upon them. There's definitely some hypocrisy in the mix here.

In his day, Black Panther leader
Fred Hampton similarly endorsed the idea of "white power for white people."souce of quote =http://www.eroseffect.com/books/subversion/Sop_ch06.pdf

I think Fred Hampton's speech actually included the words "Black power for black people, white power for white people, brown power for brown people" and so on. The original point was to fight for equality and to make sure that the people, all the people held the power. Too bad "Black Power" was taken out of context and now fuels reverse racism in some folks.

Where does it say that Whites can't be proud of their heirtage.

'whites' don't have a heritage outside of the oppression of 'non-whites'. it's a socially constructed group whose entire existence was intended to be part of a caste system.

in no way were either you or your friend being racist. i went through the same thing in high school and im hoping that i wont have to go throught that crap again in college (i havent yet).

'whites' don't have a heritage outside of the oppression of 'non-whites'. it's a socially constructed group whose entire existence arose to be part of a caste system.


don't forget the oppression of other whites.

'whites' don't have a heritage outside of the oppression of 'non-whites'. it's a socially constructed group whose entire existence arose to be part of a caste system.
What? The entire history of whites is only the subjugation and oppression of non whites? What history book have you been reading?

'whites' don't have a heritage outside of the oppression of 'non-whites'. it's a socially constructed group whose entire existence arose to be part of a caste system.

You DO realize that in America, only the rich people owned slaves right? Everyone else didn't have enough money for slaves. So not all whites were opressing non-whites. So that argument is bullshit.

What? The entire history of whites is only the subjugation and oppression of non whites? What history book have you been reading?

Probably a PC book.

You DO realize that in America, only the rich people owned slaves right? Everyone else didn't have enough money for slaves. So not all whites were opressing non-whites. So that argument is bullshit.
Erm...I didn't realise that American history was the only history.

'whites' don't have a heritage outside of the oppression of 'non-whites'. it's a socially constructed group whose entire existence arose to be part of a caste system.

Whites have just as much of a heritage as non-whites. I have as much in common with some French guy, as an American black does with an African guy.

You DO realize that in America, only the rich people owned slaves right? Everyone else didn't have enough money for slaves. So not all whites were opressing non-whites. So that argument is bullshit.
Well, one could argue that the economic benefits of slavery trickled down to benefit all American citizens to some extent. Cotton brought in money, that money was spent. White shopkeepers and tradesmen profited from that money being spent.

Erm...I didn't realise that American history was the only history.

The same was in England and Europe too. In fact, in midevil Europe, most of the poor to middle class folks were serfs, who served under a Duke, or King. Alot of them were also white.

Let me just throw out a few points:

There is no reason for "white power" to be said. Whites arent being opressed. "White power" is assumed to have such a negative connotation because whites are a powerful majority, and it implies thats the way things should stay. You cant blame people for assuming its racist.


The people who do stir up violent protests are not right, but their actions can be justified. If a group or groups of people seek to supress another group, There's going to be a war. Sometimes it is necessary to fight back in the same manner. Kill or be killed.

Erm...I didn't realise that American history was the only history.
Well, now you know.

Well, one could argue that the economic benefits of slavery trickled down to benefit all American citizens to some extent. Cotton brought in money, that money was spent. White shopkeepers and tradesmen profited from that money being spent.

That's true, but only the rich one were whipping them, and enslaving the blacks. Everyone else was just trying to make a living and support family.

I encourage you to start a White Power Club. Or celebrate White History Month. Or object to the presence of crackers in the school cafeteria.

Only when white people start behaving in this ludricrous manner will people start to realise how absurd it is that black people are allowed to.

So can someone please answer my question? Am I rascist for this?

You're not a racist until you can properly spell the word. :p

Let me just throw out a few points:

There is no reason for "white power" to be said. Whites arent being opressed. "White power" is assumed to have such a negative connotation because whites are a powerful majority, and it implies thats the way things should stay. You cant blame people for assuming its racist.


The people who do stir up violent protests are not right, but their actions can be justified. If a group or groups of people seek to supress another group, There's going to be a war. Sometimes it is necessary to fight back in the same manner. Kill or be killed.
I can blame people for saying it's racist. They're too ignorant to know that Fred Hampton, the black panther, used the words "White power for white people" in one of his speeches along with "Black power for black people". Now if it's a racist term, why was it being used by Fred Hampton?

I encourage you to start a White Power Club. Or celebrate White History Month. Or object to the presence of crackers in the school cafeteria.

Only when white people start behaving in this ludricrous manner will people start to realise how absurd it is that black people are allowed to.

That would be funny to see, to see an All White's club. Well the blacks, gays, Hispanics get to have their club, so we should get one too. Equal treatment under the law baby!

As a German-American whenever I try to show some pride in my decent people think I'm a Nazi (I'm not) and that I hate Jews (I don't).

don't forget the oppression of other whites.

ideologywise, that wasn't done by 'whites' as a race (not without defining the oppressed to be as 'non-white' anyway).

Let me just throw out a few points:

There is no reason for "white power" to be said. Whites arent being opressed. "White power" is assumed to have such a negative connotation because whites are a powerful majority...

I'm not so sure that's true anymore.

I'm not so sure that's true anymore.

Even so, saying white power gives the idea that you are trying to prevent others from becoming equal.

Here the black chamber of commerce was just feted by the local press.

They said it was founded because it gave black businessmen a "certain comfort level".


I double dog dare you to (attempt to) start a white chamber of commerce because it gives white businessmen a certain comfort level.

ideologywise, that wasn't done by 'whites' as a race (not without defining the oppressed to be as 'non-white' anyway).


oh you and your damn intelligent responses and techinicalities.

:p :D

What? The entire history of whites is only the subjugation and oppression of non whites?

no. the entire history of 'whites' as 'whites' is part of the caste system i mentioned. peoples classed as 'whites' had loads of fun subjugating each other as englishmen and frenchmen and whatever.

Here the black chamber of commerce was just feted by the local press.

They said it was founded because it gave black businessmen a "certain comfort level".


I double dog dare you to (attempt to) start a white chamber of commerce because it gives white businessmen a certain comfort level.

Ok, I will!

This was a public school, and our principal did not allow debates. On one hand, I defend the teacher for following the policy she agreed to and protecting her job. On the other hand, I almost feel inclined to defend the student, although I knew the guy rather well and had a feeling he was just trying to disrupt class.

We were starting to discuss the Civil Rights Movement in particular -- that's probably why she misheard him. However, there were flags, photos, and posters in our book with the words "black power" emblazoned upon them. There's definitely some hypocrisy in the mix here.

Public school? It was fee-paying, yes? You had to pay to attend? Just to clarify.

You DO realize that in America, only the rich people owned slaves right? Everyone else didn't have enough money for slaves. So not all whites were opressing non-whites. So that argument is bullshit.

what does that have to do with the existence of a socially-constructed racial class system? hell, what does the fact that not everyone owned slaves have to do with the existence or nonexistence of other forms of oppression?

That would be funny to see, to see an All White's club. Well the blacks, gays, Hispanics get to have their club, so we should get one too. Equal treatment under the law baby!

Exactly. If they get a club, you get a club. Equality flows both ways.

I'm not so sure that's true anymore.

in the u.s. at least, yes it is. quite obviously.

Exactly. If they get a club, you get a club. Equality flows both ways.

of course people can form a whitey club. won't stop it from being rightfully seen as racist and justly hated by most everybody.

Exactly. If they get a club, you get a club. Equality flows both ways.

But shhh, the leftist don't want everyone to know that. They need the black vote, and in order to do that, they have to make them think they're still being oppressed by the whiteys.

Ok, I will!


Let us know how that works out for you.

Im guessing here but I dont think that this will be viewed as a "good thing" in the press.

oh you and your damn intelligent responses and techinicalities.

:p :D

heh. sorry, i can't help it.

of course people can form a whitey club. won't stop it from being rightfully seen as racist and justly hated by most everybody.

See this is why I hate the leftist. Everyone else gets to feel good about their race, their heritage, but if you're white, you should be ashame for being white, you should be ashame of your heritage, you should apologize for being white.

Reason #50 I left the Democrat Party.

Let us know how that works out for you.

Im guessing here but I dont think that this will be viewed as a "good thing" in the press.

Eh the press can kiss my ass. If the blacks get to have a Black Chamber of Commerace, then under the law, Whites get to have their own Chamber of Commerace too!

of course people can form a whitey club. won't stop it from being rightfully seen as racist and justly hated by most everybody.

But it's no more or less racist than a Black club. I'd even let black people into my club, butthe club is all about celebrating the glory of white people.

Let us know how that works out for you.

Im guessing here but I dont think that this will be viewed as a "good thing" in the press.

The press, however, isn't the arbiter of what's right.

The press, however, isn't the arbiter of what's right.

Largely they do try to be though, and with notable success.

no. the entire history of 'whites' as 'whites' is part of the caste system i mentioned. peoples classed as 'whites' had loads of fun subjugating each other as englishmen and frenchmen and whatever.
Whites weren't always the ones doing the subjugating. Remember when Muslim armies conquered Iberia and the Balkans? Remember when white slaves were prized in Muslim lands? Well, of course you don't. It was a long time ago, but you know what I mean.

What i think you have failed to realise, despite studying the area! is that at this time both afro americans and the the native americans were discriminated against to an ubelievable extent. The idea of Black power was to promote as you said their heritage and all their achievments as esteem was so low. Therefore Black = power gave them something to be proud of and made them realise they could fight the oppresive white americans. The reason they rioted is because although gaining the voting rights and civil rights act legally in practice they were still discriminated.
your argument about white power is extremely fatuous. the reason being is that the whites (caucasians your friend included) having spent lets say, thier time at the top in a modern world to enslave africa ,which is goes hand in hand with the idea the white people were allowed to do this beacuase black people were inferior.
so to suggest white power suggests a return to those days and is why many biggots use such a phrase

But shhh, the leftist don't want everyone to know that. They need the black vote, and in order to do that, they have to make them think they're still being oppressed by the whiteys.

i don't think it's all part of an electoral startegy by 'leftists' that makes black people overwhelmingly report that they personally experienced racial discrimination at some point in the past year. perhaps if white america would care to listen to what they have to say on the subject instead of ignoring it, or worse, dismissing it outright as the inane ramblings of inferior child-like beings, we might get to the bottom of it a bit faster?

there is no male fourm or white fourm.

even if there was, i dont know how many people would actively participate in it

i don't think it's all part of an electoral startegy by 'leftists' that makes black people overwhelmingly report that they personally experienced racial discrimination at some point in the past year. perhaps if white america would care to listen to what they have to say on the subject instead of ignoring it, or worse, dismissing it outright as the inane ramblings of inferior child-like beings, we might get to the bottom of it a bit faster?

That is the hardest part though is getting people to listen. Ignorance is powerful, stubborn, and dangerous. I believe eventually everyone will just stfu about their views and how they percieve the world according to race, gender, etc, and for once listen to someone elses opinions. But that seems like it's still a long ways away.

and those of you suggesting that we whites shouldnt be proud of our heritage are fucking dam right. what have we got to be proud of? enslaving the african nations bringing christianity to the world, brainwashing everyone in to a bigot who cant even question simple things!

See this is why I hate the leftist. Everyone else gets to feel good about their race, their heritage, but if you're white, you should be ashame for being white, you should be ashame of your heritage, you should apologize for being white.

Reason #50 I left the Democrat Party.

you want to celebrate your heritage? start a german club or a polish club - shit, there probably already is one. hell, start an american club even. but celebrating 'whiteness' is exactly equivalent to celebrating the subjugation of 'non-whites'.

most blacks in america have no heritage to celebrate other than the culturally created condition of blackness - they were torn from their cultures, denied their languages and histories and religions, and forced into a caste system. what they've got is their shared cultural experience in that system.

That is the hardest part though is getting people to listen. Ignorance is powerful, stubborn, and dangerous. I believe eventually everyone will just stfu about their views and how they percieve the world according to race, gender, etc, and for once listen to someone elses opinions. But that seems like it's still a long ways away.

what do others opinions have to do with anything. you live in the world. you change the world according to the way you want to live in it.

you dont want to listen to this guy ramble about his life, dont listen. if another guy is complaining about something you dont care about, DONT LISTEN. its rather simple

Many people keep saying that whites have never been opressed. Not true, ever heard of Zimbabwe, and a crazy old man named Robert Mugabe? My relatives live in Zimbabwe, and they are being oppressed and over-taxed because they're white. Sure, the black government is doing it mostly out of what I'm guessing is revenge, but it's still rascist. Mugabe's not exactly being the bigger man, here.

Time for just a quick reply:

Whites didn't just oppress nonwhites! As a polish man, I have a good sense of my country's history. And if there was a people in general who were whipped by everyone else, it was us. Hell, one of Hitler's main goals was the extermination of the Slavic Race, not just a nationality. Soviets attempted to do the same, only they called us something else (see: katan forest massacre)

and those of you suggesting that we whites shouldnt be proud of our heritage are fucking dam right. what have we got to be proud of? enslaving the african nations bringing christianity to the world, brainwashing everyone in to a bigot who cant even question simple things!

Our record in the touchy-feely side of things isn't great, but we did have most major scientific discoveries for a 500 year period, plus the industrial revolution, and innumerable other wonderful developments.

Done by white people.

of course people can form a whitey club. won't stop it from being rightfully seen as racist and justly hated by most everybody.

Yep, it'd be so racist, unlike you. Stuff equal rights!

you want to celebrate your heritage? start a german club or a polish club - shit, there probably already is one. hell, start an american club even. but celebrating 'whiteness' is exactly equivalent to celebrating the subjugation of 'non-whites'.

most blacks in america have no heritage to celebrate other than the culturally created condition of blackness - they were torn from their cultures, denied their languages and histories and religions, and forced into a caste system. what they've got is their shared cultural experience in that system.

But doesn't that mean there was a culturally created condition of whiteness? Can't we celebrate that?

And really, if I start a Viking Heritage club, I get most of Europe anyway. It amounts to the same thing.

Whites weren't always the ones doing the subjugating. Remember when Muslim armies conquered Iberia and the Balkans? Remember when white slaves were prized in Muslim lands? Well, of course you don't. It was a long time ago, but you know what I mean.

of course, the muslim armies were largely composed of people that could only be described as 'white', if the term were to have even the vaguest of biological meanings. not to mention, they didn't define themselves along a racial caste system (and neither did the europeans at the time).

I say that everyone get to be proud of their heritage, and who they are, and it should not be seen as racist, and anyone who think it's racist need to take a big long sip of STFU.

I'm not racist, I just hate the inequality that I see today.

white people could conquer all. the europeans could take anything they wished to take. they had the technology, the man power, and the organization. and in many cases they did conquer.

then people got weak and decided to give some of these conquered nations some rights. someone jackass had the bright idea of letting these people be no longer conquered.

thank you jackass

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I think Fred Hampton's speech actually included the words "Black power for black people, white power for white people, brown power for brown people" and so on. The original point was to fight for equality and to make sure that the people, all the people held the power.

Well, maybe. The Black Panthers have been at the very least portrayed as separatists - advocating not for a greater share of power in society, but for the establishment of a separate, black society in America. That portrayal may be more or less accurate and that position may have evolved while the BP were relevant.

BTW your teacher was wrong, and not terribly bright. She had before her a perfect teaching moment and completely blew it - in the process violating a cardinal rule of the Socratic method: when stumped, respond by asking, "Why do you think it might be wrong?"

The two of you could have figured it out, it's been said here: there's no justification for asserting white power, when the whites already have all the power. When a black man advocates "Black Power", its an extreme idea but at the same time a rhetorical expression (at least with regard to American society). "White Power" is and was a reality, with slavery, economic oppression, segregation, lynchings, etc. etc. and to say "white power" is to imply, or seem to imply that all of those things are or were right and excusible. They were and are not, and made the ideals expressed by the declaration of independance a hypocracy.

Your teacher is forgivable for her reaction, however. You and your friend may be smart smart-assess, there are others in the world who are not so smart, and as Nazi Germany aptly demonstrated, power corrupts. We all just disagree with her that supressing an idea is the best way to defeat it.

white people could conquer all. the europeans could take anything they wished to take. they had the technology, the man power, and the organization. and in many cases they did conquer.

then people got weak and decided to give some of these conquered nations some rights. someone jackass had the bright idea of letting these people be no longer conquered.

thank you jackass

LOL 10!

But doesn't that mean there was a culturally created condition of whiteness? Can't we celebrate that?

yes there is, and yes you can. as i said, the entire idea of 'whiteness' only exists as a culturally created top level in a caste system. so when you celebrate that, what you are celebrating is the domination of 'non-whites'. that's what 'whiteness' was created for, and that's what 'whiteness' did, and that's what it continues to do.

and those of you suggesting that we whites shouldnt be proud of our heritage are fucking dam right. what have we got to be proud of? enslaving the african nations bringing christianity to the world, brainwashing everyone in to a bigot who cant even question simple things!

What have we got to be proud of?

1) Democracy
2) Western Civilization with it's ideals of freedom and equality (we even tend to live up to our ideals a surprising ammount of the time)
3) Numerous scientific discoveries

I'm sure that there are more things. No group of people is completely lacking in things to be proud of.

I really think racism has no place in a Western society anymore, and in the next 25 years the majority of it will be bled away.

What will keep it going? When people like rappers continue to portray themselves in an ill light, because that reflects on all the people who listen to the music to those watching. And when B.I.G. raps about "shootin babies no ifs ands or maybes/hit mummy in the tummy if da hooker plays a dummy" I think we all look at the people getting into the song and ask ourselves, "wtf?"

I'm racist. I hate stupid people.


and those of you suggesting that we whites shouldnt be proud of our heritage are fucking dam right. what have we got to be proud of? enslaving the african nations bringing christianity to the world, brainwashing everyone in to a bigot who cant even question simple things!
We didn't enslave Africans. Africans invited slavery in by selling off their people to the Europeans. My ancestors got greedy and kept going back when they weren't wanted. But Christ mate, you'll find slavery in a lot of cultures. It's not pretty, but at least we got rid of it.

I say that everyone get to be proud of their heritage, and who they are, and it should not be seen as racist, and anyone who think it's racist need to take a big long sip of STFU.

I'm not racist, I just hate the inequality that I see today.
Yeah but if you choose to do such in a manor that had recently symbolized a very ugly group/movement it is un-reasonable for people to disassociate that image from it. While I don’t think any official action should be allowed to take place and limit your freedom of speech if you do choose one of those tasteless manors of expression I hardly think that it is un reasonable for people to take a negative view based on your expression.

Yeah but if you choose to do such in a manor that had recently symbolized a very ugly group/movement it is un-reasonable for people to disassociate that image from it. While I don’t think any official action should be allowed to take place and limit your freedom of speech if you do choose one of those tasteless manors of expression I hardly think that it is un reasonable for people to take a negative view based on your expression.

Well, in your opinion, what would be a tasetful way of showing it?

What have we got to be proud of?

1) Democracy
2) Western Civilization with it's ideals of freedom and equality (we even tend to live up to our ideals a surprising ammount of the time)
3) Numerous scientific discoveries

I'm sure that there are more things. No group of people is completely lacking in things to be proud of.

do the azerbaijanis get to partake in that pride?

then people got weak and decided to give some of these conquered nations some rights. someone jackass had the bright idea of letting these people be no longer conquered.

thank you jackass

Or more frequently; the people living under the jackboot of imperialism decided they would no longer tolerate subjugation, formed citizen militias which grew into nationalist armies, decimated the respective occupying forces and sent them crying back to Queenie while declaring independence.

No! Not at all...Call the media, they'd do a story on this. See if you can actually get detention that would make it better and you'll eventually sell more books. :D

I'm not racist, I just hate the inequality that I see today.

which is why you are fighting for greater amounts of black power. for example, in the senate. right?

Well, in your opinion, what would be a tasetful way of showing it?
Well in this case “White power” rather is tasteless because of its well known association with the KKK

Things like burning a cross or showing swastikas would also be tasteless.

Be mindful I think you should have the right (as long as you do not harm another or their rights) I just find it silly to be surprised when you are looked down upon for doing sol

which is why you are fighting for greater amounts of black power. for example, in the senate. right?

No, that's MacGyver's job.

which is why you are fighting for greater amounts of black power. for example, in the senate. right?

Noooope, I'm fighting for equality under the law. If blacks, hispanics, gays etc. get to have their clubs in school, then so do whites. If theres a black Chamber of Commerace, then there get to be a white Chamber of Commerace. I am trying to show that when it comes to equality, the door swings both way.

Equality for all, exclusion for none!

do the azerbaijanis get to partake in that pride?Sure, if they want to. They're more caucasian than me. Their people live near the caucasus mountains, no?

Anyway, on a different note, the association of white pride with racism might be creating more racism. White people who feel that society is telling them that they're the source of all problems and they're less virtuous than non-whites may turn to racism as a reaction to that harsh criticism. Also whites who want to be proud of who they are may be drawn to racist groups because such groups are the only ones that actually stand up and proclaim white pride.

Or more frequently; the people living under the jackboot of imperialism decided they would no longer tolerate subjugation, formed citizen militias which grew into nationalist armies, decimated the respective occupying forces and sent them crying back to Queenie while declaring independence.

no no no, it was all a bit of misguided benevolence from their racial superiors, who - in a fit of drunken madness - just left quietly one day.

Well in this case “White power” rather is tasteless because of its well known association with the KKK

Things like burning a cross or showing swastikas would also be tasteless.

Be mindful I think you should have the right (as long as you do not harm another or their rights) I just find it silly to be surprised when you are looked down upon for doing sol

Well needless to say I won't be wearing a swastikas, or wearing my mama's bed sheet. I dunno, I guess I was thinking more along the line of what NC and SC are doing this week with Confederate Week.

It is a blatant double standard, and there isn't much that can be done.

Bite your tounge!

There is plenty that can be done, just what these fine young men have done!

This type of idiocy cannot hold up to being exposed with socratic questioning...note the teacher's attempt to silence them. Just present the blatant hypocrisy...there is no argument against it.

I love how they did too, they just didn't say "that's hypocrisy" they showed that it was. She had no choice but to concede or try to silence them.

BTW, to the original poster did you get sanctioned in any way?

no no no, it was all a bit of misguided benevolence from their racial superiors, who - in a fit of drunken madness - just left quietly one day.

How convenient. History must be really boring and full of plotholes and continuity errors.

How convenient. History must be really boring and full of plotholes and continuity errors.

Nah not really, I love history and I just find it exciting. (I'm a History Major so yea.)

http://www.thefire.org/

The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education

Equality for all, exclusion for none!

so black power in the senate then.

we're all the way up to 5 black senators now. total. since the civil war. not bad for a group that makes up 13.4% of the population. if we got another 12 in right now, that would get them up to approximate equality for the moment.

Well needless to say I won't be wearing a swastikas, or wearing my mama's bed sheet. I dunno, I guess I was thinking more along the line of what NC and SC are doing this week with Confederate Week.
That is better but sometimes borderline depending on the person. Its hard to tell, celebrating your heritage can be good, but many move it to idolizing the time in of itself including some massive atrocities. Its hard to distinguish sometimes.

Personally on some extent I find it silly, as I do some people who idolize the past in general. Somehow they always think the past is somehow better. Everyone thinks they are somewhere in the middle of a downhill slope when I really have never seen any evidence of such. But that’s a different topic

No! Not at all...Call the media, they'd do a story on this. See if you can actually get detention that would make it better and you'll eventually sell more books. :D
You need a title though, I suggest Mein Kampf
>.> <.<
I shouldn't need to say I'm joking. But people are idiots.

Tell me what a Rascist is and I might be able to answer your question.

A racist is someone who believes that one race is inherintly superior or inferior to another.

so black power in the senate then.

we're all the way up to 5 black senators now. total. since the civil war. not bad for a group that makes up 13.4% of the population. if we got another 12 in right now, that would get them up to approximate equality for the moment.

Well, if you're implying that I want blacks in the Senate just because they're black and that Affirmative Action is equality, then I would have to disagree. When it comes to thing like the Senate, I believe that a person regardless of race should have to earn their seat by getting the most votes.

Now in a job setting, I believe that company should hire the best man for the job, and they should look at the persons resume instead of the color of his skin. If the best person for the job is black, then that's great.

When I say equality under the law, I'm saying that under the law no person should be excluded for doing something base on their skin. However, it doesn't mean that they should just get stuff handed to them because they are a certain color.

A racist is someone who believes that one race is inherintly superior or inferior to another.
The two go hand in hand. If you believe that one race is superior it's implied that you think all other are inferior, and vice versa.

which is why you are fighting for greater amounts of black power. for example, in the senate. right?

One thing that gets my goat: there is a movement to increase the representation of minority groups in Parliament. Oh, for goodness sake! If they are minority groups then there are less of them and they require less representation (in terms of gross seats). It's absolutely pointless. Why is someone who is not from a minority group be incapable of representaing their wishes? An example is the over-representation of the Scottish in Parliament until recent years.

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Well first off.. No you are not.

Don't really have much to say but no.

Second off.. I think I'm going to tell my US history teacher about this.. or something.. and see how he feels.

I have a feeling I will like his opinion, seeing as he is a hippie liberal. AKA best teacher I have this year.

I dunno, I guess I was thinking more along the line of what NC and SC are doing this week with Confederate Week.

and what is that? one has to assume that they are downplaying the reality of the confederacy in favor of the crypto-racist bullshit mythology that had to be invented when open racism fell out of favor.

You need a title though, I suggest Mein Kampf
>.> <.<
I shouldn't need to say I'm joking. But people are idiots.

and you win the Godwn award for this thread.

You need a title though, I suggest Mein Kampf
>.> <.<
I shouldn't need to say I'm joking. But people are idiots.

Might be a few copyright problems. Better call it 'Mein Kampf Zwei'.

and you win the Godwn award for this thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law " As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.[1] "

Unless I am confused Mein Kampf is associated with communism not Nazism or Hitler

The two go hand in hand. If you believe that one race is superior it's implied that you think all other are inferior, and vice versa.

Allright that'll be quite enough out of you! :mad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law " As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.[1] "

Unless I am confused Mein Kampf is associated with communism not Nazism or Hitler
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf while in prison.

and what is that? one has to assume that they are downplaying the reality of the confederacy in favor of the crypto-racist bullshit mythology that had to be invented when open racism fell out of favor.

Wow... who the hell do you listen to for your opinion?? You are just so ignorance of what Confederate Week actually is, it's not even funny.

Read, enlighten yourself, and stop listening to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/local_news/?AC=&ArID=119017&SecID=2

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/14494187.htm

http://home.att.net/~mysmerelda/confederate.html

Hitler wrote Mein Kampf while in prison.
I am a fucking moron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law " As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.[1] "

Unless I am confused Mein Kampf is associated with communism not Nazism or Hitler

Yes he did, Mein Kampf is "My Suffering" in German.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/

I am a fucking moron
Nope, just got confused for a moment.

I am a fucking moron

Yea, but we love you anyways.

I am a fucking moron

Quick! Someone screengrab this and sig the quote!

Yes he did, Mein Kampf is "My Suffering" in German.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/
Yeah yeah already got rid of it ... these finals must be fucking with my head

So can someone please answer my question? Am I rascist for this?

Nope but your obviously just completly ignorant to history.

Quick! Someone screengrab this and sig the quote!
Done!

I know what you're probably thinking, so, here's the story in a nutshell.

2nd Period today in school, US History. We're learning about the Civil Rights Movements, and how not every group used non-violent actions in their protests. Some were violent. Hell, some were nothing short of riots.

So we learn about the Black Panthers, a violent African American Rights Activists group, and their rallying call, "Black Power." And then we find out that Native Americans were doing the same thing, with a rallying call of "Red Power."

This shocks me and my friend, Chris. People seeking equality not based on the color of their skin, are using a call based on the color of their skin. So we ask the teacher about it, and she gets pretty heated, saying that they had every right to say and do what they wanted because "that was the times."

So me and Chris continue the argument further, saying it's odd for people seeking equality to riot and loot and destroy, furthering their stereotype, and we still think that the whole Black Power and Red Power thing is a bit wierd. Our teacher assures us that the -Power calls were only to promote pride in their respective races. So finally, my friend Chris (an Italian-American), asks in a perfectly calm tone,

" So, is it okay then for me to say white-power?"

Our teacher FLIPS. Goes completely nuts, says that me and Chris are no better than the KKK, that "white power" is automatically assumed to mean "let's go and lynch minorities," and that white power is a rascist comment.

Rascist? She just told us a moment ago that it was pride in your heritage, wasn't it?

So then, Chris tries again by asking " Alright then, so can I say tan-power?" (Pride in our Italian-Meditteranean heritage).

Our teacher once again goes balisitic, calls us both rascist, throws us out of the room and tries to give us both a week's worth of detentions.

People who are reading this, me (Don) and Chris are both 17, in our Junior year of High School, and are fairly educated on what it means to be "rascist" We are, with a high degree of certainty, NOT rascist, although I could be wrong.

So now, I ask you. I have not changed facts or invented anything said here; this is exactly how the day's events happened.

So can someone please answer my question? Am I rascist for this?


No, you're not. Analyze the words though. "[blank] Power" is a statement that (I think) promotes empowerment based on skin color, thus, not a chant of pride. "[blank] Pride" however, is different, but often misunderstand. Sure I'm proud of being white, but that doesn't make me racist in the least bit. Black, red, white, tan, yellow, purple, whatever pride is different than power. Goddam misconceptions. White pride, not white power.

Sure, if they want to. They're more caucasian than me. Their people live near the caucasus mountains, no?

yeah. they also didn't culturally take part in any of the things you listed as pride worthy. so i find the idea weird.

yeah. they also didn't culturally take part in any of the things you listed as pride worthy. so i find the idea weird.
Well, fuck it. If they want to be proud of their race let them. No harm in it as long as you allow other races to be proud of themselves too.

No, you are probably not racist-- from this I would not be able to say one way or another. You are, however, a smart ass

But your teacher sounds like a coward so she probably deserved it.
Nobody wants to be labeled a racist because the word is asociated with lack of education, stupidy, and pure cruety. She called you racist because she was afraid that she might otherwise be labeled one.

She is also afraid of conflict and therefore refused to have a discussion that might lead to a debate.

Martin Luther King Jr. himself said, "Peae is turmoil boiling within."

I think that it was good of you to say something. These are questions that need to be asked. When will everyone truly be treated equally?

so yeah-- :)

Yes he did, Mein Kampf is "My Suffering" in German.
"My fight" or "My struggle", not "My suffering".

A racist is someone who believes that one race is inherintly superior or inferior to another.

What if I have evidence? What if I do a comprehensive study and find that east Africans are better long-distance runners than south Asians, or west Africans, or northern Europeans? If I then assert that Kenyans and Ethiopians are superior long-distance runners, does that make me racist?

There's no a priori reason to believe that different ethnicities are equally good at everything.

Allright that'll be quite enough out of you! :mad:
But....but...*fingers fall off*

What if I have evidence? What if I do a comprehensive study and find that east Africans are better long-distance runners than south Asians, or west Africans, or northern Europeans? If I then assert that Kenyans and Ethiopians are superior long-distance runners, does that make me racist?

There's no a priori reason to believe that different ethnicities are equally good at everything.

No, that would make them faster, not "inherintly superior".

Might be a few copyright problems. Better call it 'Mein Kampf Zwei'.
Or maybe 'Mein Kampf mit der Schule'

"My fight" or "My struggle", not "My suffering".

But dear Adolf probably saw it as suffering as well.

A racist is someone who believes that one race is inherintly superior or inferior to another.

Technically, this is more precisely termed racialism, although racism can be used as a substitute. You see, racism does not have to be antagonistic.

i don't think it's all part of an electoral startegy by 'leftists' that makes black people overwhelmingly report that they personally experienced racial discrimination at some point in the past year. perhaps if white america would care to listen to what they have to say on the subject instead of ignoring it, or worse, dismissing it outright as the inane ramblings of inferior child-like beings, we might get to the bottom of it a bit faster?

As an American black male, I will tell you that most of those reports are the inane ramblings of people brainwashed into thinking that anytime something does not go their way, it is the result of racism, and that members of certain political parties are always racist, and that learning to read and write proper english, or learning how to operate a computer is "acting white," because only white people do those things, and if you do them, you will begin to "think white"...

Well, if you're implying that I want blacks in the Senate just because they're black and that Affirmative Action is equality, then I would have to disagree. When it comes to thing like the Senate, I believe that a person regardless of race should have to earn their seat by getting the most votes.

Now in a job setting, I believe that company should hire the best man for the job, and they should look at the persons resume instead of the color of his skin. If the best person for the job is black, then that's great.

When I say equality under the law, I'm saying that under the law no person should be excluded for doing something base on their skin. However, it doesn't mean that they should just get stuff handed to them because they are a certain color.

Hear, hear!

Hear, hear!

I second that hear hear!

I hate the term caucasian, for iam not caucasian Iam a Briton

As an American black male, I will tell you that most of those reports are the inane ramblings of people brainwashed into thinking that anytime something does not go their way, it is the result of racism, and that members of certain political parties are always racist, and that learning to read and write proper english, or learning how to operate a computer is "acting white," because only white people do those things, and if you do them, you will begin to "think white"...

of course, i have personal experience with you that tells me you don't exactly have the strongest grasp on reality, so you'll have to pardon me if i don't just take your word for it. especially since there have been a huge number of peer-reviewed studies that have shown racism is still quite common, and has very real effects.