NationStates Jolt Archive


New UN Human Rights Commission: better, but not much.

Eutrusca
10-05-2006, 12:01
COMMENTARY: And herein lies one of the primary things wrong with the UN. It's rather like electing the fox to guard the henhouse.


New U.N. Rights Group
Includes Six Nations With Poor Records (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/10/world/10nations.html?th&emc=th)


By WARREN HOGE
Published: May 10, 2006
UNITED NATIONS, May 9 — Six nations with poor human rights records were among those elected to the new Human Rights Council on Tuesday, although notorious violators that had belonged to the predecessor Human Rights Commission did not succeed in winning places in the new group.

China, Cuba, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan, countries cited by human rights groups as not deserving membership, were among the 47 nations elected to the council. But in a move hailed by the same groups, both Iran and Venezuela failed to attract the needed votes.

Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, said: "The good news is that we did better than expected in the voting because Iran and Venezuela both lost. Venezuela's losing shows that bluster and anti-Americanism isn't enough to get elected."

Nations running for the council had to meet more demanding standards than in the past.

The previous commission was long a public embarrassment to the United Nations because countries like Sudan, Libya and Zimbabwe became members and thereby thwarted the investigation of their own human rights records.

The United States did not run for a seat on the council, saying that the new body did not go far enough to correct the deficiencies of the old one. The council was created on March 15, in a 170 to 4 vote, that the United States, Israel, Palau and the Marshall Islands opposed.

Commenting on the outcome of the vote, Kristen Silverberg, assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs, said, "On the whole, we think it is an improvement over the commission."

She added, "There were some members elected who, in our view, don't share a genuine commitment to human rights, the kind of high standard we would have hoped would have been met on the selection."

Mr. Roth said the council had proved its ability to attract more suitable members even before the vote because countries with poor rights records that had been part of the commission were scared away from running this year by new demands to demonstrate a commitment to rights standards.

As examples he cited Sudan, Zimbabwe, Libya, Democratic Republic of Congo, Syria, Vietnam, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Eritrea and Ethiopia. "The pool of candidates for the council was significantly improved over the typical pool for the commission," he said.

Hillel Neuer, executive director of the Geneva-based UN Watch, said, however, that he was not convinced that the vote signaled much change. "The council offers a membership with certain improvements, but the election of Cuba, Saudi Arabia, China and other egregious violators suggests that, come June 19, when the council opens, we're likely to see business as usual in Geneva."

The all-day vote was conducted under more stringent rules than in the past. The principal innovation was that countries needed a minimum of 96 votes — an absolute majority of the 191 members — and that the election was for individual candidates rather than for closed regional slates.

The 63 nations that declared themselves candidates have been promoting themselves vigorously in recent weeks during meetings with other states and in documents on the United Nations Web site that outline their past records and future commitments to human rights.

When the delegates arrived in the General Assembly chamber, their desks were covered with stacks of campaign fliers marked with the colors of the nations' flags and the statement, "Your support will be highly appreciated."

All 63 candidates voluntarily agreed to a series of pledges that will form the basis for public reviews of their human rights records. Under the rules of the new council, all members of the United Nations must submit to such reviews, and the members of the council will be the first to be scrutinized.

Yvonne Terlingen, the United Nations representative for Amnesty International, said: "The countries that have weak human rights records and are elected to the council must now start re-examining their own records and improve them and implement the pledges they have made to the General Assembly. We will closely watch to see if they do so."
Valdania
10-05-2006, 12:05
I agree, it's a ridiculous situation.

Mind you, it's difficult to think who exactly could make up a reputable Human Rights Group.

Maybe they should just not bother with one?
Neu Leonstein
10-05-2006, 12:07
It's a start.

It would need probably one of the top leaders and people-managers of the century to get something done in the UN. I can't wait to see who it'll be, and I can't wait to see how the US would react to him.

And Bolton needs to go.
Monkeypimp
10-05-2006, 12:08
China, Cuba, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan, countries cited by human rights groups as not deserving membership, were among the 47 nations elected to the council. But in a move hailed by the same groups, both Iran and Venezuela failed to attract the needed votes.




Cuba and Azerbaijan I don't get. I can see how the others would be able to weild enough clout by virtue of being powerful or being good friends of powerful nations.
Psychotic Mongooses
10-05-2006, 12:28
Strange. Criticising Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.... two key allies in the War on Terror I believe.

Not good enough to be on the Human Rights Council but good enough to be key allies all the same. Makes you think.
Eutrusca
10-05-2006, 12:39
Strange. Criticising Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.... two key allies in the War on Terror I believe.

Not good enough to be on the Human Rights Council but good enough to be key allies all the same. Makes you think.
Politics is "the art of the possible." Apparently so is international politics.
Eutrusca
10-05-2006, 12:40
And Bolton needs to go.
Why? I think he's performing a necessary service to the planet by holding the UN's feet to the fire.
Monkeypimp
10-05-2006, 12:43
Strange. Criticising Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.... two key allies in the War on Terror I believe.

Not good enough to be on the Human Rights Council but good enough to be key allies all the same. Makes you think.


The war on terror came along at a perfect time for Pakistan's military govt. Just when they were at risk of mass condemnation from the international comunity, they jump in on the US's side, and now despite their country going to shit, no one care's because they're now 'good guys'.
Neu Leonstein
10-05-2006, 12:44
Why? I think he's performing a necessary service to the planet by holding the UN's feet to the fire.
First: You got a telegram.

Second: There is a difference between sensible and constructive criticism, and the belief that sabotage will make things better.
Golgothastan
10-05-2006, 12:45
Meh. I'm not overly concerned that countries with poor human rights records got on, because a) pretty much every other country in the UN has poor human rights records and b) this committee will do jackshit anyway.
Psychotic Mongooses
10-05-2006, 12:49
The war on terror came along at a perfect time for Pakistan's military govt. Just when they were at risk of mass condemnation from the international comunity, they jump in on the US's side, and now despite their country going to shit, no one care's because they're now 'good guys'.

I just find it ironic that the 'good guys' still put up with that kind of shit.

That hypocritcal stance on human rights is doing more harm then the ineffectiveness of the UN Human Rights council.

We scold with the right hand, and shield with the left.
Golgothastan
10-05-2006, 12:52
I just find it ironic that the 'good guys' still put up with that kind of shit.
Bear in mind how many Amnesty International Action Alerts, and general condemnations from HR watchdogs, the 'good guys' have racked up in the last five years or so.
INO Valley
10-05-2006, 19:15
Strange. Criticising Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.... two key allies in the War on Terror I believe.

Not good enough to be on the Human Rights Council but good enough to be key allies all the same. Makes you think.
The only major opposition group in Pakistan is the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists we're fighting, so yes, compared to them, General Mushariff looks pretty damn good. And let's look at the nations bordering Afghanistan (remember that we needed the assistance of at least one country bordering Afghanistan in order to invade the country): Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, People's Republic of China...and Pakistan.

We didn't have a lot of choices, and we made the best one available.
Psychotic Mongooses
10-05-2006, 19:16
The only major opposition group in Pakistan is the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists we're fighting, so yes, compared to them, General Mushariff looks pretty damn good. And let's look at the nations bordering Afghanistan (remember that we needed the assistance of at least one country bordering Afghanistan in order to invade the country): Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, People's Republic of China...and Pakistan.

We didn't have a lot of choices, and we made the best one available.

So you agree then that it is hypocritical to critcise other States about their human rights record while being allied with those of equal horridness?
Quagmus
10-05-2006, 19:31
Isn't this 'new council' supposed to be able to kick out those who do not at least make a credible effort to meet standards?
Olantia
10-05-2006, 19:39
Isn't this 'new council' supposed to be able to kick out those who do not at least make a credible effort to meet standards?
To kick out... from where?
Bunnyducks
10-05-2006, 19:58
Isn't this 'new council' supposed to be able to kick out those who do not at least make a credible effort to meet standards?
No... If one of the new Council members are deemed to do shitty work, it can be kicked out of the Council with two thirds of the General Assembly vote.
Kanabia
10-05-2006, 20:04
*laughs*

47 nations on the council? That's doomed from the start.

Are there even 47 nations on the planet with a halfway decent human rights record in the first place? Heh.
Quagmus
10-05-2006, 20:12
To kick out... from where?
The council?
Olantia
10-05-2006, 20:16
The council?
Ah... I've thought about expulsion from the UN itself. No, only the General Assemly can, as Bunnyducks said earlier.
Aryavartha
10-05-2006, 21:37
The only major opposition group in Pakistan is the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists we're fighting, so yes, compared to them, General Mushariff looks pretty damn good.

Yes, he looks good what with his Armani suit, boot and tie whenever he comes a visiting the west as opposed to the salwar kameez wearing bearded yahoo shouting in urdu.

BUT, the Pakistani army which he heads has killed more civilian muslims (Bangladesh) than ANY other entity (no war crimes held and NOBODY in the Paki army were even CHARGED for ANYTHING they did in Bangladesh).

EVEN NOW, the Paki army headed by Musharraf is killing civilians in Baluchistan under the guise of fighting the insurgents with the arms that the US gave (ostensibly for catching Osama:rolleyes: .)

And not to mention the FACT that Musharraf rigged elections and broke the PML party to create a king's party PML(Q) which split the vote bank of PML and facilitated more seats for the MMA Party - Muttahida Majlis Alliance - now called the Mullah Military Alliance.

And I am not even going into the symbiotic relationship that Musharraf's army and intelligene has with the jihadi groups of all shades in Pakistan.

Yeah, Musharraf looks good. That I will concede.