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Racism, Slavery, Anti-gay movement, White Supremacy, etc. Those concepts, and the advocation of the same, sometimes inspire in me feelings that I believe are close to the 'righteous wrath' of the very religious.

I may have caught religion, in an alternate way. I believe in no god or superior spirituality. I believe in Fundamental Human Rights. To the point of zealotic fundamentalism.

Maybe this will wear off overnight. I do however think that human rights issues have taken gods' place in the minds of many.

So tell me, is this an epidemic?

i would just argue its a way of being moral without being religious. the two are not necessarily linked (though religion cannot exist without morality/a moral standpoint)

Racism, Slavery, Anti-gay movement, White Supremacy, etc. Those concepts, and the advocation of the same, sometimes inspire in me feelings that I believe are close to the 'righteous wrath' of the very religious.

I may have caught religion, in an alternate way. I believe in no god or superior spirituality. I believe in Fundamental Human Rights. To the point of zealotic fundamentalism.

Maybe this will wear off overnight. I do however think that human rights issues have taken gods' place in the minds of many.

So tell me, is this an epidemic?


well one question i have for you, you believe that human rights work, right? So can any new human rights expland over rights set in place befor and be overlaped?, can the expland of Rights Stop? theres your problem you have a ever increasing system of Rights, there is no strong base.
one more..If Human Rights are foolproof then what would you say about freedom of speach? you know thoughs carttoons with Muhhammad*? some people would say in there defence "It's My Right!" while others would say "thats not your Right!"?

thanks, be blessed

Racism, Slavery, Anti-gay movement, White Supremacy, etc. Those concepts, and the advocation of the same, sometimes inspire in me feelings that I believe are close to the 'righteous wrath' of the very religious.

I may have caught religion, in an alternate way. I believe in no god or superior spirituality. I believe in Fundamental Human Rights. To the point of zealotic fundamentalism.

Maybe this will wear off overnight. I do however think that human rights issues have taken gods' place in the minds of many.

So tell me, is this an epidemic?

Any advocation of human rights is noble in my book...so long as you don't drop a lung over it. THEN who's going to argue?

i would just argue its a way of being moral without being religious. the two are not necessarily linked (though religion cannot exist without morality/a moral standpoint)

Sure it could. Imagine a God that demands supplicants, but doesn't ask anything of them pursuant to how they treat each other.

Really, does Scientology have a moral standpoint?

well one question i have for you, you believe that human rights work, right? So can any new human rights expland over rights set in place befor and be overlaped?, can the expland of Rights Stop? theres your problem you have a ever increasing system of Rights, there is no strong base.
one more..If Human Rights are foolproof then what would you say about freedom of speach? you know thoughs carttoons with Muhhammad*? some people would say in there defence "It's My Right!" while others would say "thats not your Right!"?

thanks, be blessed
that is a problem with subjective or non-'natural' morality... it makes you think and use your brain; you need to consider a rational approach to ethics and morality rather than just believing the often outdated edicts and nonsense that come from the church or the bible...

why do you not believe in God? Science if you look at it without the cloud of atheism points directly at him and on the subject of human rights, what more do we need in the U.S.? no one is being oppressed so what is the problem?

:eek:

Sure it could. Imagine a God that demands supplicants, but doesn't ask anything of them pursuant to how they treat each other.

Really, does Scientology have a moral standpoint?
Scientology's moral standpoint is one that many others, especially non-Scientologists, will refer to as "common sense" -- the same moral standpoint that non-religious people are able to adhere to but not consider it religiously influenced. This is a two-way street -- just because a religion is without a moral standpoint doesn't make it any less moral, either.

Plus, consider how much you know about Scientology, and consider how much of that is first-hand or based off of media misconceptions/rumours/etc. It's always different when you're learning of it from a follower. I can't really speak for them, though, 'cause I think they're a bit looney, so I can't get much into depth about their moral codes and standards.

well one question i have for you, you believe that human rights work, right? So can any new human rights expland over rights set in place befor and be overlaped?, can the expland of Rights Stop? theres your problem you have a ever increasing system of Rights, there is no strong base.
one more..If Human Rights are foolproof then what would you say about freedom of speach? you know thoughs carttoons with Muhhammad*? some people would say in there defence "It's My Right!" while others would say "thats not your Right!"?

thanks, be blessed
The interpretation and application of Human rights treaties develops, of course, as does that of 'holy' scriptures. I approve of the current interpretations, and, being a student of law, such conflicts of Rights are not a problem. Those get dealt with in courts easily. And much more credibly than the biblical conflicts, by people more capable.

As for the strength of the base, it is stronger than that of every single classical old-school religion there is. Plus, the history of human rights has a lot less blood in it.

why do you not believe in God? Science if you look at it without the cloud of atheism points directly at him and on the subject of human rights, what more do we need in the U.S.? no one is being oppressed so what is the problem?
Go troll elsewhere.

The things you mentioned are irrationality.

Perhaps a declaration of human rights is too, but I'd think that a certain code on how to treat other humans makes rational sense (if there can't be a previously signed contract of some sort).

Go troll elsewhere.
Oh, I'm not even sure if that counts as trolling yet. That prodding was still a bit too gentle to even count, don't you think?

At the same time, I'm amused that somebody with "Sci Nerds" in their name is harping on disbelief in a deity :rolleyes: Usually quite the other way around

i would just argue its a way of being moral without being religious. the two are not necessarily linked (though religion cannot exist without morality/a moral standpoint)
Moral with some of the religious buzzwords to go with it.

The things you mentioned are irrationality.

Perhaps a declaration of human rights is too, but I'd think that a certain code on how to treat other humans makes rational sense (if there can't be a previously signed contract of some sort).
Rationality is sneakily subjective. Seems rational to me, though.

Any advocation of human rights is noble in my book...so long as you don't drop a lung over it. THEN who's going to argue?
Lungs are overrated.

Lungs are overrated.

Can I have yours, then? :D

Can I have yours, then? :D
Said overrated, not worthless. How much?

If Human Rights are foolproof then what would you say about freedom of speach? you know thoughs carttoons with Muhhammad*? some people would say in there defence "It's My Right!" while others would say "thats not your Right!"?

Sure, you have free speech there. Only problem is, if you use it to piss people off, you should probably expect retalliation.

Free speech, as defined in the American Constitution, does not protect against speech directed towards others. It protects criticism from the citizens to the government.

Said overrated, not worthless. How much?

Erm.. *rummages through pockets*

AUD$11.15, a red cigarette lighter, a blue 6-sided die that always seems to roll 1's and a slightly bent safety pin.

Deal?

well one question i have for you, you believe that human rights work, right? So can any new human rights expland over rights set in place befor and be overlaped?, can the expland of Rights Stop? theres your problem you have a ever increasing system of Rights, there is no strong base.
one more..If Human Rights are foolproof then what would you say about freedom of speach? you know thoughs carttoons with Muhhammad*? some people would say in there defence "It's My Right!" while others would say "thats not your Right!"?

thanks, be blessed


Just wondering, are you drunk?

Erm.. *rummages through pockets*

AUD$11.15, a red cigarette lighter, a blue 6-sided die that always seems to roll 1's and a slightly bent safety pin.

Deal?
is that a zippo?

is that a zippo?

Close. It's a Rippo.

(though religion cannot exist without morality/a moral standpoint)

Heheh.

Oh yeah? What if someone were to believe in a God that created the universe, just because he had the power to do so, and then left us to our own devices to figure out right and wrong?

:p

Heheh.

Oh yeah? What if someone were to believe in a God that created the universe, just because he had the power to do so, and then left us to our own devices to figure out right and wrong?

:p

*sniffs*

I smell Deism.

Sure it could. Imagine a God that demands supplicants, but doesn't ask anything of them pursuant to how they treat each other.

Really, does Scientology have a moral standpoint?

Fuck, beaten to it.

*sniffs*

I smell Deism.

Oh, that's not what I believe is necessarily true (although I wouldn't discount the possibility, I consider atheism more likely...) I'm just being an anal-retentive pain. :p

Oh, that's not what I believe is necessarily true (although I wouldn't discount the possibility, I consider atheism more likely...) I'm just being an anal-retentive pain. :p

Oh, I know that, Kanabia, you dirty atheist scum! :p

Hey, I've got some prime human baby steaks to share if you want some.

why do you not believe in God? Science if you look at it without the cloud of atheism points directly at him and on the subject of human rights, what more do we need in the U.S.? no one is being oppressed so what is the problem?

1. How does science point to the existence of a deity? Bear in mind that if you link to Kent Hovind you will be laughed at.

2. Well equal rights for homosexuals would be nice for a start. I don't know about the US but in the UK we have a few things to tidy up regarding equal rights for women. Oh, and if you have time how about an end to US sanctioned torture, indefinite detention, and funding of coups in South America?

Go troll elsewhere.
Trolling permission revoked. Git back 'ere!