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The trailer for Halo 3 has just been released by Bungie. The link for it is at the bottom of the page. I've watched it through twice, and can say I absolutely love it. It looks fantastic. I'll list what I've gathered of the plot from the trailer and the press release:


Set fair time after Halo 2
The Covenent now occupy Earth
Thus, Covenent won the war, as heralded by Halo 2 ending/start
Possibly human resistance - wouldn't be fun without Marines really
Trailer shows devestated desert - Earth possibly scoured/destroyed top level
Covenent have found the Ark presumably - Trailer shows massive artifact complete with creepy clouds and sparks of light
Cortana seems to have gone off the deep end. Claims she is 'Your Shield and Your Sword'
Also states 'This is where the world ends'
Game trailer ends with 'Finish The Fight' - so last game of a trilogy?
MC back, has Halo 1 rifle. Possibly due to lack of new weapons, like a resistance movement


Link: http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?link=Halo3Announcement

The trailer for Halo 3 has just been released by Bungie. The link for it is at the bottom of the page. I've watched it through twice, and can say I absolutely love it. It looks fantastic. I'll list what I've gathered of the plot from the trailer and the press release:


Set fair time after Halo 2
The Covenent now occupy Earth
Thus, Covenent won the war, as heralded by Halo 2 ending/start
Possibly human resistance - wouldn't be fun without Marines really
Trailer shows devestated desert - Earth possibly scoured/destroyed top level
Covenent have found the Ark presumably - Trailer shows massive artifact complete with creepy clouds and sparks of light
Cortana seems to have gone off the deep end. Claims she is 'Your Shield and Your Sword'
Also states 'This is where the world ends'
Game trailer ends with 'Finish The Fight' - so last game of a trilogy?
MC back, has Halo 1 rifle. Possibly due to lack of new weapons, like a resistance movement


Link: http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?link=Halo3Announcement



WOW! THAT WAS OSSUM!!!!

WOW! THAT WAS OSSUM!!!!

Reactions, then? Or are you just being a goddamn fool?

huh....i expected something better....

looks pretty nifty, if nothing particularly new. i've grown out of orgasming over minor graphical improvements - i want to know what cool new stuff the game has to offer frankly, and this video showed me nothing (and took itself way too seriously...)

THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME! I JUST SAW THE TRAILER!

Now, that Spartan looked different, also held a outdated(in the books) MA5B. Maybe it is Spartan-087? Kelly?

EDIT: Just read the article on the Bungie site, that trashes my theory. Anyway, awesome video. It does support the Ark being the ARK OF THE COVENANT theory. Wow. I can't wait till 2007.

I believe it is meant to be Master Cheif.

And it looked impressive certainly...

*Pants, paws screen*

Wanna plaaaaaay now! Dammit, as if the desire wasn't bad enough already now I really really wanna play, as opposed to just really wanting to play as was the case before.

Argh, if they release a teaser trailer for KotOR 3 now I may just explode from pent-up desire for awesomeness.

who cares?

*Pants, paws screen*

Wanna plaaaaaay now! Dammit, as if the desire wasn't bad enough already now I really really wanna play, as opposed to just really wanting to play as was the case before.

Argh, if they release a teaser trailer for KotOR 3 now I may just explode from pent-up desire for awesomeness.
you got a 360? if so, can i have it? :D

No, I want it! :P

who cares?

Plenty of people. You cared enough to hit Reply, type 10 characters, and click Submit Reply.

No, I want it! :P
*cue kirk-vs-spock deathmatch music*

Very, very, nice.

However, what about the Halos? (Dumb question; is the Ark of the Covenant the remote control to the other Halos?) Halo 2 ended with the other Halos being on "standby" I believe it was. So does that mean the Covenant only care about the Ark, in which case, is it that uber that it is stronger than all those other Halos?


Anyways, it looks good at least. I wanna see some gameplay footage though.

thats a good point... would anyone be kind enough to recap what the fuck happened in Halo 2? i was too high at the time to remember even playing it now (i vaguely remember some multiplayer... but i did complete it - i have the save game to prove it! :p)

*cue kirk-vs-spock deathmatch music*
That is Kirk vs Picard deathmatch music. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddEIICbllAI&search=picard%20song)

Cortana has not "Gone off the deep end".

She and Gravemind connected in a way.

The phrase "I have defied gods and demons. I am your shield, and I am your sword." refers to the Forerunner rebellion.

A summary of the Forerunner Rebellion:

A group of Forerunner scientists revolted. They created the Flood. After realizing they're mistake, they attacked the flood, and were almost entirely eradicated, which is why Gravemind/Cortana has defied "Demons."

A much better equiped army, led by the good Forerunners went to war against the Flood, also suffering a devastating loss, thus "Gods" have been defied.

"I am your sword and I am your shield" is Cortana speaking. She is essentially the Chief's most valuable asset. The Chief, now very important to the Gravemind/Cortana entity, shows that Cortana may have also been "fused" with a Forerunner AI or computer system.

The Ark is the Earth. A long story surrounds the whole thing, but to put it in simple terms, the Humans are supposed to evolve into the Forerunners, activate the Ark, and destroy the Flood. The Ark is immune to Halo's destructive force.


I know this from research, and observation. Anybody wishing for more information, contact me at agfstudios@yahoo.com. I'm the head of a new group that believes that particular story about the Halo's, the Ark, etc. etc.

Anybody interested in joining the Ark Angels, contact me at the above email address.

You do realize it's just a console game, right? :P

(drools over perfection of halo 3)

You do realize it's just a console game, right? :P

You do realize that if you say that on any of the popular sites in the Halo community, you may very well be shot? or at least the subject of the disregard of 4/5's of the Halo community?

It's not just a console game, there are books, a graphic novel to be released, more books to be released, a movie in production, it's big.

Reactions, then? Or are you just being a goddamn fool?


I did it at the fact i'm gonna be playing Halo 3 in 2007.

halo......................... halo................. halo................ must have now! no wait! me want!

You do realize that if you say that on any of the popular sites in the Halo community, you may very well be shot? or at least the subject of the disregard of 4/5's of the Halo community?

It's not just a console game, there are books, a graphic novel to be released, more books to be released, a movie in production, it's big.


Don't forget action figures!:)

Don't forget action figures!:)

Oops!

Oh, and anybody interested in learning more about Halo in general, check out Halo.bungie.org.

You do realize it's just a console game, right? :P

*shoots*

Take THAT!

Disrespect Master Chief....*mutters*....

I could be wrong, but Cortana's line "This is the way the world ends" could be a reference to American-English poet T.S. Eliot's "The Hollow Men." Fascinating poem, along with Eliot's "Wasteland." In "The Hollow Men" the poem ends like this:

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang, but a whimper.

That's an interesting reference, if it was intended. But I could be drawing random connections where there really are none. Cool trailer though.

*gives Tweet Tweet a cookie for killing that heretic.*

THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME! I JUST SAW THE TRAILER!

Now, that Spartan looked different, also held a outdated(in the books) MA5B. Maybe it is Spartan-087? Kelly?

EDIT: Just read the article on the Bungie site, that trashes my theory. Anyway, awesome video. It does support the Ark being the ARK OF THE COVENANT theory. Wow. I can't wait till 2007.


Sorry if this could be considered double posting, but I have to point something out.

The AR used in Halo 2 is the 55, while the one seen in the H3 trailer is the 66. More accurate, more firepower, AP rounds, multiple fire modes, a scope; way better than the 55 or the 5B. Another possibility, though highly unlikely is that it is the 4C, a scaled down 5B.

I could be wrong, but Cortana's line "This is the way the world ends" could be a reference to American-English poet T.S. Eliot's "The Hollow Men." Fascinating poem, along with Eliot's "Wasteland." In "The Hollow Men" the poem ends like this:

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang, but a whimper.

That's an interesting reference, if it was intended. But I could be drawing random connections where there really are none. Cool trailer though.

Very possible, Bungie does tend to make referances like that.

you got a 360? if so, can i have it? :D

Hehe - if you feel like a half hour trip you're welcome to nip down and check it out. Oh and if you can bring a badass HDTV with surround sound system with you that'd be swell :D


And Tomzilla, if you're willing to make a somewhat longer trip you're also welcome to join in lol. Although I only have two controllers - maybe you and PM could duke it out for second player? (Incidentally that Picard song is teh awesome. He's such a pimp {USS Enterprise, for those not in the know, is blatently the ultimate pimp-mobile}).

Incidentally I'd like to thank you all for making me feel so much better for being a total Halo nerd - I was starting to feel a tad lonesome since my brother left for uni.

And to whoever mentioed all the Halo goodness, you forgot the fanfics! Spluh! :p (This is actually shameless advertising btw - link to my fanfic in my sig. I like to think it's pretty good - certainly most of the people who've read it say so).

*gives Tweet Tweet a cookie for killing that heretic.*

w00t!

Heretic cookie! *munches*

w00t!

Heretic cookie! *munches*

lol

the chewy bits are other halo haters.

Looks like Cortana is starting to lose it. Rampancy, I think it's called.

...System Shock anyone?

Anyone else notice the gravemind or whatever that giant flood things voice mingled in with cortana's when she mentioned gods and demons?

Novice']Very, very, nice.

However, what about the Halos? (Dumb question; is the Ark of the Covenant the remote control to the other Halos?) Halo 2 ended with the other Halos being on "standby" I believe it was. So does that mean the Covenant only care about the Ark, in which case, is it that uber that it is stronger than all those other Halos?


Anyways, it looks good at least. I wanna see some gameplay footage though.

Looks great. I'd love to see some actual gameplay, but this is just as good. Yes, generally accepted theory is that the Ark is the Master Control for all Halo's in the universe. The forerunners activated them before, and presumably MC will do something to stop the Prophets doing the same.

Looks like Cortana is starting to lose it. Rampancy, I think it's called.

...System Shock anyone?

Yes, a good version of the program from System Shock seems to be the way things are pointing.

Armed Assault will be uber X100000000000000 better. While the true Operation Flashpoint 2 will be uber uber uber X1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 better.

The trailer for Halo 3 has just been released by Bungie. The link for it is at the bottom of the page. I've watched it through twice, and can say I absolutely love it. It looks fantastic. I'll list what I've gathered of the plot from the trailer and the press release:


Set fair time after Halo 2
The Covenent now occupy Earth
Thus, Covenent won the war, as heralded by Halo 2 ending/start
Possibly human resistance - wouldn't be fun without Marines really
Trailer shows devestated desert - Earth possibly scoured/destroyed top level
Covenent have found the Ark presumably - Trailer shows massive artifact complete with creepy clouds and sparks of light
Cortana seems to have gone off the deep end. Claims she is 'Your Shield and Your Sword'
Also states 'This is where the world ends'
Game trailer ends with 'Finish The Fight' - so last game of a trilogy?
MC back, has Halo 1 rifle. Possibly due to lack of new weapons, like a resistance movement


Link: http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?link=Halo3AnnouncementIt's here! OH GOD, it's here!

It's here! OH GOD, it's here!

It is here, and we are not worthy of its brilliance.

Armed Assault will be uber X100000000000000 better. While the true Operation Flashpoint 2 will be uber uber uber X1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 better.

Fascinating argument. The Master Chief and Johnson can kick the arses of whatever pansy, generic characters those games have. Master Chief is a cybernetic killing machine...




...And Johnson has a cigar. Fear the Cigar.

Anyone else notice the gravemind or whatever that giant flood things voice mingled in with cortana's when she mentioned gods and demons?

What exactly is the gravemind?

What exactly is the gravemind?

Giant flood thing that looks like Audrey II from "Little Shop of Horrors" :P

*Yawn*

A little trailer that tells nothing and no in-game shots.

Giant flood thing that looks like Audrey II from "Little Shop of Horrors" :P

That thing under the water that grabbed the Arbiter and Master Cheif?

The big clam thing?

Skinny87, this is the only thing we'll ever agree on. :)

I wish I had a 360, but I don't know anywhere around here that sells them, nor do I have the money. :(

*shoots*

Take THAT!

Disrespect Master Chief....*mutters*....

... You do realize how many counterdictions there were in Halo2, and that the Halo3 trailer really didn't show anything at all... I used to be a gigantic fan of Halo, but really, Bungie has really screwed up. (in the amount of time Masterchief got to Earth from Halo installation 04, both humans and covenenant get tons more technology and vehicles, and their stuff is completely different... in under a month's worth time...)

Really, Masterchief isn't that awesome. Aill hail the Freeman!

... You do realize how many counterdictions there were in Halo2, and that the Halo3 trailer really didn't show anything at all... I used to be a gigantic fan of Halo, but really, Bungie has really screwed up. (in the amount of time Masterchief got to Earth from Halo installation 04, both humans and covenenant get tons more technology and vehicles, and their stuff is completely different... in under a month's worth time...)

Really, Masterchief isn't that awesome. Aill hail the Freeman!

Don't even try to run. If you do, I will reach out and touch ou with my sniper rifle. :sniper:

And yes, the voice mingling is Gravemind. The Angels and demons phrase referances either to the Forerunner rebellion, or the Prophets, and the MC.

... You do realize how many counterdictions there were in Halo2, and that the Halo3 trailer really didn't show anything at all... I used to be a gigantic fan of Halo, but really, Bungie has really screwed up. (in the amount of time Masterchief got to Earth from Halo installation 04, both humans and covenenant get tons more technology and vehicles, and their stuff is completely different... in under a month's worth time...)

Really, Masterchief isn't that awesome. Aill hail the Freeman!

Read the books. It'll explain a lot of those little niggling details.

The books rule, but the game has done a pretty crappy job staying consistent with theml. (I.E. No reference to the other four Spartans at friggin all). I miss Linda *sob*

I don't understand the big hard on for Half Life 2, it sucked a big wang. The main character was a friggin nerd! A NERD! At least Masterchief is a bio/mechanically enhanced killing machine trained since age six.

Besides: wort wort wort.

Just watched it. I have to say:

OMFG!! AWSOMENESS!! HALO 3!!!!one11!!one

The good ol' MA5B is back, woot. The BR pwned, but the SMG just didn't have a nice loud chunky feel to it. But the Master Chief is gray now! :( Where's the old green? The music wasn't bad, but I still prefer the original music. Regardless, we finally get a glimpse of H3. The landscape in the start of the trailer looked absolutely beautiful. I can't wait.

*rubs hands with glee*

Guys, what exactly is The Gravemind?

Really, Masterchief isn't that awesome. Aill hail the Freeman!

Indeed. Masterchief is no match for a crowbar wielding HEV suited scientist :p

Truth to be told, I'd pick Freeman for nothing more than just that super gravity gun of his. Masterchief ain't got squat on something that can rip entire control centers out of their fixtures and toss it like candy or catch plasma balls in midflight and throw them back.

Something is bothering me though:

How the hell are the covenant not completely destroyed? Let's consider that their capital city was annihilated, about 2/3rds of their fleet was crushed at the Unyielding Heirophant and the battle for Earth (assumed), 2 out of the 3 prophets were killed, and then calculate the effects of the Elite's/Grunts rebellion. It seems like all that's left of the covenant should be the Prophet of Truth and a handful of Brutes with maybe a few Jackals running to and fro.

...and here I was hoping for a prequel about Reach.

Guys, what exactly is The Gravemind?

Pretty much the brains behind the Flood. Ever wonder why they can repair cruisers, ships, and tanks? Now he has a hold of Cortana, I for one welcome our new decaying overlords.

Something is bothering me though:

How the hell are the covenant not completely destroyed? Let's consider that their capital city was annihilated, about 2/3rds of their fleet was crushed at the Unyielding Heirophant and the battle for Earth (assumed), 2 out of the 3 prophets were killed, and then calculate the effects of the Elite's/Grunts rebellion. It seems like all that's left of the covenant should be the Prophet of Truth and a handful of Brutes with maybe a few Jackals running to and fro.

...and here I was hoping for a prequel about Reach.

I was under the impression that the ships destroyed at the Hierophant were absolutely nothing. At the end of the book one of the Prophets says or thinks something about it being of no consequence or simply a minor setback, which would imply the Covenant fleet is really, really big. And the three prophets aren't the only prophets, just the major ones. They are an entire race after all, so there'd be loads of lesser prophets ready to fill the gap.

But the Covenant have already conquered Earth? NOEZ! When the MC arrived they hadn't even got past the orbital defences. Why can't we take part in massive battles to defend Earth? :(

I was under the impression that the ships destroyed at the Hierophant were absolutely nothing. At the end of the book one of the Prophets says or thinks something about it being of no consequence or simply a minor setback, which would imply the Covenant fleet is really, really big. And the three prophets aren't the only prophets, just the major ones. They are an entire race after all, so there'd be loads of lesser prophets ready to fill the gap.

But the Covenant have already conquered Earth? NOEZ! When the MC arrived they hadn't even got past the orbital defences. Why can't we take part in massive battles to defend Earth? :(

That's true, but it really didn't slow them down at all either. As for the prophets it seems like there's only one left, especially since the Flood have pretty much conquered, or in the process of, the Covernant's side of the galaxy.

I was kinda pissed that the wall of MAC cannons surrounding earth didn't even slow the incoming Covenant horde down a little. I mean three managed to hold off Reach until the Covies gobbled up the power stations.

I was under the impression that the ships destroyed at the Hierophant were absolutely nothing. At the end of the book one of the Prophets says or thinks something about it being of no consequence or simply a minor setback, which would imply the Covenant fleet is really, really big. And the three prophets aren't the only prophets, just the major ones. They are an entire race after all, so there'd be loads of lesser prophets ready to fill the gap.

But the Covenant have already conquered Earth? NOEZ! When the MC arrived they hadn't even got past the orbital defences. Why can't we take part in massive battles to defend Earth? :(

Hopefully we will in one way, as resistance fighters. I mean, Earth may be conquered but there's still gotta be Marines and resistance fighters left, or it wouldn't be Halo. Plus Johnson'll have to get in there somehow. He's just too badass to not be in Halo 3.

Hopefully we will in one way, as resistance fighters. I mean, Earth may be conquered but there's still gotta be Marines and resistance fighters left, or it wouldn't be Halo. Plus Johnson'll have to get in there somehow. He's just too badass to not be in Halo 3.

Linda wasn't in one or two so don't get your hopes up.

Something is bothering me though:

How the hell are the covenant not completely destroyed? Let's consider that their capital city was annihilated, about 2/3rds of their fleet was crushed at the Unyielding Heirophant and the battle for Earth (assumed), 2 out of the 3 prophets were killed, and then calculate the effects of the Elite's/Grunts rebellion. It seems like all that's left of the covenant should be the Prophet of Truth and a handful of Brutes with maybe a few Jackals running to and fro.

...and here I was hoping for a prequel about Reach.

The books aren't canon, I think, so that fleet probably won't affect the game. Plus, their capital city might have been destroyed, but there will be countless other planets and facilities for the Covenent to have gotten reinforcements from. Afterall, this is a race that used numbers as well as technology to push the USN back to Earth and then conquered it.

... You do realize how many counterdictions there were in Halo2, and that the Halo3 trailer really didn't show anything at all... I used to be a gigantic fan of Halo, but really, Bungie has really screwed up. (in the amount of time Masterchief got to Earth from Halo installation 04, both humans and covenenant get tons more technology and vehicles, and their stuff is completely different... in under a month's worth time...)

Really, Masterchief isn't that awesome. Aill hail the Freeman!

You realise that The Pillar Of Autumn was an old ship with older weapons, right? The books explain that it was an older ship used by OCI because it could take more of a beating than the newer designs. As to the new weapons, they were already in existence and were either alreasdy being used or were about to. In The Fall Of Reach the other Spartans pick up some of the new weapons to use, and the Marines etc on Earth use them because they would have been standard issue for the invasion - yopu gotta use your best weapons if you're invaded.

OMG AWESOME *FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP* I WUV HALO

Any money says it's a clone of the first two games which weren't all that good anyway - they were pretty bog standard (not *terrible*, but just average in pretty much all aspects.). And then there's the obvious System Shock takeoff, which isn't surprising really. A pity that the bad guys in Halo aren't at all menacing, and instead pathetic, unlike those in SS. That's one of my biggest problems with the earlier games; aside from the hackneyed plotline, (which I might forgive if the game is suspensful enough) it feels like it is made for kids. I prefer a more mature game, and the "cute" yips and yells and running aroud like little scared lemmings done by the little guys or the retarded "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" sound that the bigger ones make really don't do it for me in terms of me attempting to take the game seriously.

Pretty graphics though. I guess that's what a lot of console kids want. Think i'll stick to the Half Life 2 expansion when it comes out though, and here's hoping for a couple of serious FPS games soon.

Pretty much the brains behind the Flood. Ever wonder why they can repair cruisers, ships, and tanks? Now he has a hold of Cortana, I for one welcome our new decaying overlords.

Where did we see it?

Was he that big oyster looking thing with tentacles that grabbed MC and Abiter under the water?

OMG AWESOME *FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP* I WUV HALO

Any money says it's a clone of the first two games which weren't all that good anyway - they were pretty bog standard (not *terrible*, but just average in pretty much all aspects.). And then there's the obvious System Shock takeoff, which isn't surprising really. A pity that the bad guys in Halo aren't at all menacing, and instead pathetic, unlike those in SS. That's one of my biggest problems with the earlier games; aside from the hackneyed plotline, (which I might forgive if the game is suspensful enough) it feels like it is made for kids. I prefer a more mature game, and the "cute" yips and yells and running aroud like little scared lemmings done by the little guys or the retarded "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" sound that the bigger ones make really don't do it for me in terms of me attempting to take the game seriously.

Pretty graphics though. I guess that's what a lot of console kids want. Think i'll stick to the Half Life 2 expansion when it comes out though, and here's hoping for a couple of serious FPS games soon.

The graphics are great, yes, and the plot perhaps a little hackneyed. But the AI in Halo has always been good, and the development of the characters brilliant, especially the Covenent. If you actually get into the backstory of Halo, you'll understand why the Covenent make those odd noises. Also, how the hell is a sword-wielding Elite Pathetic? In the first game, the damned things would kill you about 8/10 if you didn't run away first, and in the second you might have had the sword, but they were still bastards to kill.

Pretty graphics though. I guess that's what a lot of console kids want. Think i'll stick to the Half Life 2 expansion when it comes out though, and here's hoping for a couple of serious FPS games soon.

FEAR and Black top everything in my humble opinion.

Half Life just didn't feel comfortable at all, it felt so mechanical and misplaced just moving around and shooting. The concept of taking cover and tactics have been utterly abandoned for "I can pick this up and throw it *giggle giggle*."

Honestly GTA is a better shooting game than Half Life.

Where did we see it?

Was he that big oyster looking thing with tentacles that grabbed MC and Abiter under the water?

At the end he digs into High Charities' Mainframe and pulls up Cortana (after the cheesy ending + credits).

Yup that's him.

Eh. The trailer was OK, and I'm still betting it won't exceed HL2, but I'm a sucker for completion of a plot, and epic ones always get me :p

I just wish that perhaps Cortana > Gravemind rather than the other way around. A big pus-sac that speaks in rhyme is cool and all, but Cortana rocks him.

And something to remember is, the covvies and the humans are not on equal levels. At all. It was only that the Covenant didn't know where Earth was that saved it - since they do now, the humies are doomed. (Or would be except for the big Deus Ex Machina that saves them at the last minute.)

Eh. The trailer was OK, and I'm still betting it won't exceed HL2, but I'm a sucker for completion of a plot, and epic ones always get me :p

I just wish that perhaps Cortana > Gravemind rather than the other way around. A big pus-sac that speaks in rhyme is cool and all, but Cortana rocks him.

And something to remember is, the covvies and the humans are not on equal levels. At all. It was only that the Covenant didn't know where Earth was that saved it - since they do now, the humies are doomed. (Or would be except for the big Deus Ex Machina that saves them at the last minute.)

The activiation of the Ark will save them, but it'll hardly be a DEM. It's been hinted at since the very first game when MC was called a Reclaimer by the robot in the Library on Halo 04.

I'm waiting for Doom 4 ... probably won't turn up. I'll get Halo 3 when the price becomes decent.

The activiation of the Ark will save them, but it'll hardly be a DEM. It's been hinted at since the very first game when MC was called a Reclaimer by the robot in the Library on Halo 04.

Eh, looks like a duck, quack likes a duck....
It certainly ain't the humans winning on their own merits, rebuilding a fleet and taking the war back to the covvies.

Oh, and as the person waaaay back mentioned about Earth being desert.... nope. The "about" section states that that scene is in Africa.

Eh, looks like a duck, quack likes a duck....
It certainly ain't the humans winning on their own merits, rebuilding a fleet and taking the war back to the covvies.

Oh, and as the person waaaay back mentioned about Earth being desert.... nope. The "about" section states that that scene is in Africa.

I expected the earth to be reduced to glass once the Covies found the Ark considering their methods of conquering a human planet.

I expected the earth to be reduced to glass once the Covies found the Ark considering their methods of conquering a human planet.

Nah, the Prophet wants it fairly intact now so as to gain access to the Ark and do their whole nutty religious thing and destroy the Universe.

I expected the earth to be reduced to glass once the Covies found the Ark considering their methods of conquering a human planet.


Consider: Earth, with the ark on it, will be a veery sacred planet to the Covenant. Also, Forerunner tech is clearly not invincible. A glance at what happens to the first halo after a big kaboom occurs should show that. They couldn't possibly risk destroying it, especially since there's no need to. Allllso, they're being took down by the flood. They probably won't even want to TOUCH the ark too much incase it breaks on them and ruins their only hope of survival.

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... Fap Fap Fap? :confused:
You can hardly say Half Life 2 didn't put loads of emphasis on graphics.
I've said this before, but what's so great about Halo isn't that it's really good at something but that it does everything well. It's not top of the range in suspense, atmosphere, intensity, graphics or gameplay. However, it does ALL of these things damn well and I can't really find any obvious flaws.
Anyway, let's get back to dedicated worship and reverence of Halo 3, the original topic.

... Fap Fap Fap? :confused:
You can hardly say Half Life 2 didn't put loads of emphasis on graphics.
I've said this before, but what's so great about Halo isn't that it's really good at something but that it does everything well. It's not top of the range in suspense, atmosphere, intensity, graphics or gameplay. However, it does ALL of these things damn well and I can't really find any obvious flaws.
Anyway, let's get back to dedicated worship and reverence of Halo 3, the original topic.

Exactly my point. It might not be the best graphically or 'TEH UBER-BEST', but it does everything very well, and with style.

Consider: Earth, with the ark on it, will be a veery sacred planet to the Covenant. Also, Forerunner tech is clearly not invincible. A glance at what happens to the first halo after a big kaboom occurs should show that. They couldn't possibly risk destroying it, especially since there's no need to. Allllso, they're being took down by the flood. They probably won't even want to TOUCH the ark too much incase it breaks on them and ruins their only hope of survival.

Once they locate it they'll do the same thing they did to Reach, glass everywhere around it and leave a nice big parking lot for their new Forerunner temple.

The graphics are great, yes, and the plot perhaps a little hackneyed. But the AI in Halo has always been good,

I dunno, I beg to differ, i've seen better. (and worse). It wasn't terrible, but they did get stuck behind objects, they did run right at you, and did all sorts of stupid things. So they took cover occasionally; even at the time of Halo 1 this was pretty much standard.

and the development of the characters brilliant, especially the Covenent. If you actually get into the backstory of Halo, you'll understand why the Covenent make those odd noises.

Mind enlightening me? I didn't really find it interesting enough to delve that far into it.

Also, how the hell is a sword-wielding Elite Pathetic? In the first game, the damned things would kill you about 8/10 if you didn't run away first, and in the second you might have had the sword, but they were still bastards to kill.

Ah, I don't really think so. On Heroic difficulty I took them down pretty easily by circle strafing. I never bothered to try it on Legendary. There was just no sense of urgency in having to deal with them like there was even a simple zombie with a wrench in System Shock 2, for example. The only times that I had trouble with them was when they were placed behind a door or corner, giving you no chance to react (and thus proving more of an irritation than a real threat, forcing you to load the game and next time being aware of their position anyway.)

And it's always good fun to be stalked and hunted and feel like you're up against a credible threat. In Halo, you're some sort of invincible super-guy that attacks the enemy head on at every opportunity. That's just silly. Granted, many other FPS games have that problem too, but there are exceptions - Aliens vs. Predator, the aforementioned System Shock, etc.

I also realise that many players like to be some sort of near demigod with a machinegun, but I don't.



FEAR and Black top everything in my humble opinion.

I'll have to give those a try, then.

Half Life just didn't feel comfortable at all, it felt so mechanical and misplaced just moving around and shooting. The concept of taking cover and tactics have been utterly abandoned for "I can pick this up and throw it *giggle giggle*."

Hmm, I disagree. I liked it a lot; it was one of the few games that actually gripped me from start 'till finish, and I certainly don't think it felt "mechanical". It's very rare for an FPS to do that for me. Oh, and I hardly ever used that gravity gun anyway, except where it was necessary. It didn't do much damage anyway, so you'd be stupid to.

Hmm, I disagree. I liked it a lot; it was one of the few games that actually gripped me from start 'till finish, and I certainly don't think it felt "mechanical". It's very rare for an FPS to do that for me. Oh, and I hardly ever used that gravity gun anyway, except where it was necessary. It didn't do much damage anyway, so you'd be stupid to.


Yeah. The overwatch pulse rifle rocked. The gravity gun only had it's showcase level - Ravenholm, where ammo was superscarce. Aside from that, guns worked much better.




Til the end :)

And it's always good fun to be stalked and hunted and feel like you're up against a credible threat. In Halo, you're some sort of invincible super-guy that attacks the enemy head on at every opportunity. That's just silly. Granted, many other FPS games have that problem too, but there are exceptions - Aliens vs. Predator, the aforementioned System Shock, etc.

I also realise that many players like to be some sort of near demigod with a machinegun, but I don't.

Legendary will show you how human you really are. Even poking your head around a corner results in a jackal sniper taking it off with barely any reaction time.

The Elites also use some pretty clever tactics. (I.E. Driving you from cover, flanking, and actually using the jackals as cover.)

... Fap Fap Fap? :confused:

Masturbation.

You can hardly say Half Life 2 didn't put loads of emphasis on graphics.

Admittedly, but I am certain that I would have enjoyed it just as much without them. (considering that I still go back and replay games like System Shock 2, and other more ancient games like Ultima Underworld...and enjoy them infinitely more than I did Halo)

I've said this before, but what's so great about Halo isn't that it's really good at something but that it does everything well. It's not top of the range in suspense, atmosphere, intensity, graphics or gameplay. However, it does ALL of these things damn well and I can't really find any obvious flaws.

And I disagree, I never found it particularly fun to play, i'm afraid. The most fun I ever had in it was playing co-op in the first game, stealing a banshee each and attempting to shoot eachother down. When the second game came out, that was already old. I just found it bog-standard. It didn't stand out at me in anything - and considering that Halo was one of the games I was really looking forward to several years ago, it was a big disappointment.

Anyway, let's get back to dedicated worship and reverence of Halo 3, the original topic.

Yeah, that's another thing. I bet if they really cock this one up, everyone will worship and revere it anyway.

Okay, Covenent explanation:

The whole of the Covenent works around a style of hierarchy/caste system almost, with animal instincts.

Grunts: Little fellas, wear breathing masks, run around screaming. Little intelligence, are basically cannon fodder controlled by the Elites who they fear. When you meet Grunts in Halo, you'll find an Elite somewhere controlling them. They scream because...well, they're not exactly that powerful and they're not that intelligent. With an Elite they'll fight you because they fear an Elite more. Kill the Elite and the little buggers will either run for the hills or cower there defenceless. They are that pathetic on their own, and thus the cute 'Yipping'.

Elites: What it says on the tin. Elite foot soldier, has several ranks denoted by colour schemes, controlled ultimately by the Prophets and now the Arbiter. Extremely honourable and prone to going pyscho if they lose a battle and thus their honour; they swing their swords and start screeching, but are otherwise silent. They are protectors of the Prophets as well, until the middle/end of Halo 2 when the Brutes, a bigger, more brutish caste (Who woulda thunk it?) conspired with one of the Prophets to replace them as guards. Combined with the Arbiter getting pissed off with the Prophets and a Civil War starts off.

Brutes: Big guys, look like apes. Intelligent, no honour, very powerful. Take control of the Prophets Honour Guard and are sneaky, back-stabbing SOBs, and have always been incompetition with the more honourable Elites. Have nasty weapons and are buggers to kill at times. Allied with the Jackals.

Jackals: Look like vultures/jackals, have Sniper Rifles and shields. Physically weak and cowardly, but great shots. Not much is known about them, but they ally with the Brutes in the Civil War for an unknown reason. Intelligence unknown, but good at flanking.

Hunters: Tanks. About the only way to describe them. Massive, organic tanks. Thick armour, can be killed either with massive firepower or hitting their weakspots on their backs, usually protected by armour. Little intelligence, but ally with the Elites and Grunts in the Civil War.

Legendary will show you how human you really are. Even poking your head around a corner results in a jackal sniper taking it off with barely any reaction time.

The Elites also use some pretty clever tactics. (I.E. Driving you from cover, flanking, and actually using the jackals as cover.)

Even the Grunts start doing more than just running arpund screaming. They start using rudimentary tactics - shows evolution in tactics and fear of Elites.

Legendary will show you how human you really are. Even poking your head around a corner results in a jackal sniper taking it off with barely any reaction time.


Admittedly. But I shouldn't have to play a game on the hardest difficulty level simply to get enjoyment out of it. Actually, it kinda detracts from the enjoyment, because it seems there is a deliberate emphasis on the placement of enemies to give you no reaction time on the legendary setting rather than a real increase in difficulty (aside from the enemies doing about 4x the damage). This proves to be more irritating than a challenge, because you know where the enemy is upon next reload anyway. Not a problem exclusive to Halo though.

The Elites also use some pretty clever tactics. (I.E. Driving you from cover, flanking, and actually using the jackals as cover.)

Maybe, but AI of that quality is nothing distinct or particularly new. For example, snipers in one of the early Rainbow Six games, some 7 years ago, would wait for your entire squad to get out in open view before firing, making finding cover much more difficult - rather than letting only one guy poke his head out and pick him off, alerting the others to his presence and stopping them dead in their tracks. The marines in the original Half Life were pretty much as intelligent as the "smarter" enemies in Halo; taking cover, tossing grenades, attempting to circle you. The AI in the first two Halo games is okay, but it wasn't exemplary or particularly groundbreaking at the time.

Okay, Covenent explanation:

The whole of the Covenent works around a style of hierarchy/caste system almost, with animal instincts.

I figured that, but I didn't find it particularly endearing. I probably would have found it more fun if you could turn off their stupid dialogue and had the stupid ones act like nothing more than mute cannon fodder.

The AR used in Halo 2 is the 55, while the one seen in the H3 trailer is the 66. More accurate, more firepower, AP rounds, multiple fire modes, a scope; way better than the 55 or the 5B. Another possibility, though highly unlikely is that it is the 4C, a scaled down 5B.

Erm... while I like Halo and all isnt knowing that a bit... well... erm... lets say odd to be diplomatic.

whoever did the descriptions of the covvies, what are those annoying flying bugs that piss me off

whoever did the descriptions of the covvies, what are those annoying flying bugs that piss me off

I believe you're thinking of the Flood Infection Form.

(Looking at random Wikipedia articles FTW!)

I believe you're thinking of the Flood Infection Form.

(Looking at random Wikipedia articles FTW!)

No, not them. I think they're called Hoppers, but they're damned annoying and a cheap gimmick really.

No, not them. I think they're called Hoppers, but they're damned annoying and a cheap gimmick really.

Yeah. They're a bit more annoying than the infection forms whose soul purpose is to chase you when you hide round a corner stopping your shield recharging.

Well come to think of it, they're quite annoying. But not as annoying as things that can kill me.

No, not them. I think they're called Hoppers, but they're damned annoying and a cheap gimmick really.

Drones. Some of the bigegst bastards ever on legendary (bloody things won't stand still and let you shoot them!)

Also referred to as buggers.

At the end he digs into High Charities' Mainframe and pulls up Cortana (after the cheesy ending + credits).

Yup that's him.

OMG THERES MORE!?

I never watched passed the credits.

OK!

Tell me. EXACTLY. WHAT.HAPPENS.!!!!!

the new game looks decent, but i think the movie may ruin the series.

im more of a splinter cell player myself

Thunder stealing ass. My thread was first, thpb!
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The E3 thread, discussion on games, previews, systems, and other E3 things. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481662)


My post on the Halo 3 tailer release. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10929180&postcount=56)

the new game looks decent, but i think the movie may ruin the series.

im more of a splinter cell player myself

I LOVE Splinter Cell...have you checked out this new one thats coming out, Rogue Agent or whatever?

IT. LOOKS. AMAZING.

yeah i cant wait for it to come out. i will buy it within the first few days (im not insane enough to stand in line for hours)

They're not called hoppers, they're called Buggers.

Tell me. EXACTLY. WHAT.HAPPENS.!!!!!

Ahem

Spoiler'ish: The Covenant Capital of High Charity lays in Flood control, from every corridor to every cavern stretch the stench and decay of the flood.

Disemobodied voice (Gravemind): "My mind cannot rest for a though still lingers. There are questions that need answers."

A tentacle stretches to a consule where Cortana pops up.

Cortana: "Ok, shoot."

/end

Ahem

Spoiler'ish[/color]

So Gravemind was that big oyster thing that pulled MC and Abriter under a few levels back?

Also, High Charity was that cool level we played on with the big ship in the background, right?

It all makes sense now...ilovebees was not about Halo 2. It was about Halo 3.

It all makes sense now...ilovebees was not about Halo 2. It was about Halo 3.

How do you figure?

I figured that, but I didn't find it particularly endearing. I probably would have found it more fun if you could turn off their stupid dialogue and had the stupid ones act like nothing more than mute cannon fodder.

I actually found it very stress relieving to open fire and brutally mass-murder hundreds of screaming, unarmed small creatures, and when they're dead, punch them so the blood flies out, and rape their corpses.

But that's me.

Ahem

Spoiler'ish: The Covenant Capital of High Charity lays in Flood control, from every corridor to every cavern stretch the stench and decay of the flood.

Disemobodied voice (Gravemind): "My mind cannot rest for a though still lingers. There are questions that need answers."

A tentacle stretches to a consule where Cortana pops up.

Cortana: "Ok, shoot."

/end



Sorry to be nitpicky, but the actual wording is:

Camera pans through ruined and deserted High Charity

Disembodied voice - Gravemind: "Silence fills the empty grave/ now that I am gone/ but my mind is not at rest/ for questions linger on."

Camera stops at a console-pillar

Gravemind: "Now I shall ask, and you shall answer."

Tentacles close in around console-pillar, which flickers. Cortana appears, holds up a hand at nearest tentacle, which retreats.

Cortana: "Alright... shoot." [/scene]

Sorry - nerdy nitpickiness over now.

Oh by the way, I've had a thought about the trailer itself - I know it's set in a thoroughly conquered Earth and everything, which apparently means no awesome battle following on from the end of Halo 2.

However...

Could it not be that this isn't the introduction video? This is perhaps some way through the game, say near the end, and all the battling is over and done with? The Ark is about to be activated, the galaxy cleansed of life, and the Cheif is about to plunge in in a last-ditch attempt to save it? Just a thought, because it seems a shame to waste all that wonderful slaughter that the end of Halo 2 sets you up for, and besides which let's be honest - when has Bungie ever really let us know what to expect? It could all be a cunning ploy...

How do you figure?
Ilovebees was about rampant A.I. Ring a bell?

Ilovebees was about rampant A.I. Ring a bell?

But that was an AI made from wash-out Spartan Yasmine, not Dr Halsey's cloned brain. And the ending would appear to be thee first Covenant attack (beginning of Halo 2) since throughout it it doesn't seem like there's already been one. Oh, and right at the end Durga says that a ceremony is oging on aboard the Cairo to honour Spartan John 117 - again the beginning of Halo 2. Sorry - ILoveBees is definitely about the run-up to Halo 2.

[QUOTE=Parasite Induced Chaos]You do realize that if you say that on any of the popular sites in the Halo community, you may very well be shot? or at least the subject of the disregard of 4/5's of the Halo community?

I said a lot of stuff here, but it just translated to "blah blah blah" when I reread it, so I'll cut it down.

I don't mind the game.

Oh by the way, I've had a thought about the trailer itself - I know it's set in a thoroughly conquered Earth and everything, which apparently means no awesome battle following on from the end of Halo 2.

However...

Could it not be that this isn't the introduction video? This is perhaps some way through the game, say near the end, and all the battling is over and done with? The Ark is about to be activated, the galaxy cleansed of life, and the Cheif is about to plunge in in a last-ditch attempt to save it? Just a thought, because it seems a shame to waste all that wonderful slaughter that the end of Halo 2 sets you up for, and besides which let's be honest - when has Bungie ever really let us know what to expect? It could all be a cunning ploy...

Bungie and Microsoft together have stated that A) That trailer is using actual ingaame physics and graphics and B) The trailer is set about a third of the way through the game.


BTW, did anyone see the cute Easter Egg in the trailer?

BTW, did anyone see the cute Easter Egg in the trailer?

Ack! Missed it. What was it?

HeHeHe cool...:D

So Gravemind was that big oyster thing that pulled MC and Abriter under a few levels back?

Also, High Charity was that cool level we played on with the big ship in the background, right?

Yes.

No that was Delta Halo. High Charity is the level with the massive city in the background and your running through a giant battle. (Elite vs Brutes vs Flood). However, The Inamber Clad makes a guest appearance with a horde of Flood troops from Delta Halo.

Ack! Missed it. What was it?

The sign on the ground (Red & White Triangle) looks like a 'Men Working Sign', but is in fact a picture of a Grunt with a shovel.

B) The trailer is set about a third of the way through the game.

So still plenty of opportunity for awesome Halo 2-ending type battles then :D That's all I really need to know :D

And what was the ingame graphics bit about? I never said they weren't, that was someone else.

Indeed. Masterchief is no match for a crowbar wielding HEV suited scientist :p

Truth to be told, I'd pick Freeman for nothing more than just that super gravity gun of his. Masterchief ain't got squat on something that can rip entire control centers out of their fixtures and toss it like candy or catch plasma balls in midflight and throw them back.

Plus Masterchief is all fancy, he has optimal genetics, bionic and cybernetic implants, that huge frickin suit, and thus none of us can really relate to him... Gordon Freeman, however... Well, he's actually possible. And don't forget, he's the ONLY game hero (or ANY hero really) with geeky glasses, or glasses at all. Gordon Freeman is the type of character that COULD be real, kind of like Sam Fisher, only unlike all other heroes, the only special thing about him is the HEV suit (and the grav gun, that is sweet). He's a normal guy only with a Phd in theoretical physics and such, and thus we all feel a better connection with him (the intelligent people atleast).

He's a normal guy only with a Phd in theoretical physics and such.

That's not normal.

You realise that The Pillar Of Autumn was an old ship with older weapons, right? The books explain that it was an older ship used by OCI because it could take more of a beating than the newer designs. As to the new weapons, they were already in existence and were either alreasdy being used or were about to. In The Fall Of Reach the other Spartans pick up some of the new weapons to use, and the Marines etc on Earth use them because they would have been standard issue for the invasion - yopu gotta use your best weapons if you're invaded.

Ya, but if your invading you'd use the top-o-the-line equipment too... Where are all the fancy H2 equipment in H1? I mean, REALLY people, this is the 'sacred' Halo they're visiting, and since they could defeat the flood so easily (Halo2, apparently they've been beating back the flood with no problem for a while), how could they be overcome so quickly on installation #04? And again, they would bring ALL their good equipment. Likewise, the Pillar of Autumn would naturally have SOME updated equipment; after all, it's carrying the most important human investment in the world... Of course, what good is my logic compared to the millions Bungie and Microsoft can make on a whim. Why waste time doing a good job and getting the same amount of money over a long time, when you can make that much in a few years by totaly screwing up the series!

(This is why I like Valve, they take their time, and do their best to make no counterdictions. They're not perfect, but damn close)

Read the books. It'll explain a lot of those little niggling details.

I have. And frankly, they just screw up the details more (without Halo2, the series would actually semi-make-sense, but since Halo2 it's all gone really downhill story-wise)

I still have yet to get Halo 2...

Ya, but if your invading you'd use the top-o-the-line equipment too... Where are all the fancy H2 equipment in H1? I mean, REALLY people

They are using Top-o-the-Line equipment.

this is the 'sacred' Halo they're visiting, and since they could defeat the flood so easily (Halo2, apparently they've been beating back the flood with no problem for a while), how could they be overcome so quickly on installation #04? And again, they would bring ALL their good equipment.

Wtf are you talking about, good equipment? BTW they were NOT beating the flood back, it was a FORERUNNER installation. The covenant were getting pimpslapped by the flood because they were arrogant and thought they could take em.


Likewise, the Pillar of Autumn would naturally have SOME updated equipment; after all, it's carrying the most important human investment in the world...

It has the best AI ever made, the thickest armor hull, the best Admiral in the fleet and it was with one of the largest fleetest in human history at Reach before it fell. That was the best the humans could do.

Of course, what good is my logic compared to the millions Bungie and Microsoft can make on a whim. Why waste time doing a good job and getting the same amount of money over a long time, when you can make that much in a few years by totaly screwing up the series!

(This is why I like Valve, they take their time, and do their best to make no counterdictions. They're not perfect, but damn close)

Your logic is crap and you obviously don't know that much about the game.

I feel so sorry for those with PC only.:headbang: Jesus, I haven't even played halo 2 yet, and im afraid that if I keep reading the thread, im just spoiling my self. I hope Bungie Announces Halo 2 for PC, if they haven't done so already....