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I've seen threads on here about how being fat is evil. Fat people are being treated like jews in WWII. I'm sick of it.

So screw you haters of fat!

Enjoy your heart disease.

Calm down good friend, and have a sandwich, and a beer.
Dont let the bastards get you down......


I'm eating roast beef, want a piece?

Do i fall into teh fat haters category if i hate my fat, and work to get rid of it, or does that not count :confused:
I don't say anything against larger people unless i know it is their fault they are that size and their unhealthiness does not bother them.

"Blessed are the anorexic and bulemic."

It's not that I hate fat, but I enjoy life, and if less fat=longer life then shit i'm all for it.

Hey, as long as you aren't really really fat and run down Florida beaches wearing only a thong(those are interconnected), you're okay by me. Who could care less if you're fat. Just a piece of advise though, for whatever reason you are that way, being fit makes things so much easier(this comes from a lazy fitness freak).

I've seen threads on here about how being fat is evil. Fat people are being treated like jews in WWI. I'm sick of it.

So screw you haters of fat!

get on a treadmill you tub o' lard!

Enjoy your heart disease.


Enjoy your osteoporosis.

I've seen threads on here about how being fat is evil. Fat people are being treated like jews in WWI. I'm sick of it.

So screw you haters of fat!
First of all, that comparison is improper and inappropriate and befouls the remembrance of the victims of the holocaust and shoa.
Shame on you - be you fat or not!

Then I believe you meant WWII because nothing happened to the Jews in the Great War - they sufferent the same fate as everyone else.

I'm sick of that crap, too. Why don't you have a cup of http://www.savingadvice.com/forums/images/smilies/angry/stfu.gif

Actually, I bleieve the Jews were definitely persecuted in WWI. Look at Franz Kafka.

"Blessed are the anorexic and bulemic."

You, sir, are a large sack o' shit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH...............................Fatty Fat F uck :gundge:

Tellya what -- fat people start dressing for their size, I stop slagging fat people. I teach at a university in the Upper Midwest of the US. There is no shortage of very overweight folks here. Not the majority, but they're here. I've got a Buddha belly myself. However, I get violently ill when I see (most often) women wearing clothes that suggest that they've no idea how big they are. If your midriff resembles the Michelin Man's, dammit, wear a full shirt that doesn't cling to each roll. Also, no more form-fitting pants. I've dated a 200+ pound woman who was shapely and proportional and knew how to dress -- one of the sexiest women I've ever been fortunate enough to be with. But when the BBW crowd wear thin, form-fitting sweat pants of bright neon color and I can see the seismic quivering of pounds of subcutaneous bloat with every step, man, that's disgusting. Put that shit away. I don't wear Speedos, you heifers can't wear lycra. Period.

First of all, that comparison is improper and inappropriate and befouls the remembrance of the victims of the holocaust and shoa.
Shame on you - be you fat or not!


You do have a point there, too many people these days are comparing their prejudice to extreme situations that should not be used lightly.

the same goes to people who constantly compare someone they don't like to Hitler, think about it is that person really that bad?

First of all, that comparison is improper and inappropriate and befouls the remembrance of the victims of the holocaust and shoa.
Shame on you - be you fat or not!

Then I believe you meant WWII because nothing happened to the Jews in the Great War - they sufferent the same fate as everyone else.

I'm sick of that crap, too. Why don't you have a cup of http://www.savingadvice.com/forums/images/smilies/angry/stfu.gif
Shit it was WWII.. *goes back and changes*

Or maybe I should change it to "Fats are the new blacks".. eh?

Enjoy your osteoporosis.
Low bone density is the opposite of heart disease?!? Wow, but you're reaching!

Nice try. Osteoporosis is more of a danger for the overwieght if they don't get enough calcium to maintain their bones. More weight = more stress on joints and bones. Care to try again?

Tellya what -- fat people start dressing for their size, I stop slagging fat people. I teach at a university in the Upper Midwest of the US. There is no shortage of very overweight folks here. Not the majority, but they're here. I've got a Buddha belly myself. However, I get violently ill when I see (most often) women wearing clothes that suggest that they've no idea how big they are. If your midriff resembles the Michelin Man's, dammit, wear a full shirt that doesn't cling to each roll. Also, no more form-fitting pants. I've dated a 200+ pound woman who was shapely and proportional and knew how to dress -- one of the sexiest women I've ever been fortunate enough to be with. But when the BBW crowd wear thin, form-fitting sweat pants of bright neon color and I can see the seismic quivering of pounds of subcutaneous bloat with every step, man, that's disgusting. Put that shit away. I don't wear Speedos, you heifers can't wear lycra. Period.



Spandex is no one's friend. Particularly those with a few extra pounds anywhere.

Tellya what -- fat people start dressing for their size, I stop slagging fat people. I teach at a university in the Upper Midwest of the US. There is no shortage of very overweight folks here. Not the majority, but they're here. I've got a Buddha belly myself. However, I get violently ill when I see (most often) women wearing clothes that suggest that they've no idea how big they are. If your midriff resembles the Michelin Man's, dammit, wear a full shirt that doesn't cling to each roll. Also, no more form-fitting pants. I've dated a 200+ pound woman who was shapely and proportional and knew how to dress -- one of the sexiest women I've ever been fortunate enough to be with. But when the BBW crowd wear thin, form-fitting sweat pants of bright neon color and I can see the seismic quivering of pounds of subcutaneous bloat with every step, man, that's disgusting. Put that shit away. I don't wear Speedos, you heifers can't wear lycra. Period.


Oh come on this is sooooooooooooo sexy
http://static.flickr.com/33/50125370_cd8647fd4d.jpg

Tellya what -- fat people start dressing for their size, I stop slagging fat people. I teach at a university in the Upper Midwest of the US. There is no shortage of very overweight folks here. Not the majority, but they're here. I've got a Buddha belly myself. However, I get violently ill when I see (most often) women wearing clothes that suggest that they've no idea how big they are. If your midriff resembles the Michelin Man's, dammit, wear a full shirt that doesn't cling to each roll. Also, no more form-fitting pants. I've dated a 200+ pound woman who was shapely and proportional and knew how to dress -- one of the sexiest women I've ever been fortunate enough to be with. But when the BBW crowd wear thin, form-fitting sweat pants of bright neon color and I can see the seismic quivering of pounds of subcutaneous bloat with every step, man, that's disgusting. Put that shit away. I don't wear Speedos, you heifers can't wear lycra. Period.
Seconded.

I don't hate fat or fat people.

I hate people who thinks being fat entitles them to special privledge, people who think the world has to accomodate them. People that are over a hundred pounds overweight and demand special parking. People that refuse to acknowledge that their extra weight causes extra expenses for not only certain private sectors but for us the rest of the public.

Being fat is not a disease. No gladular disorder puts weight on you if you don't intake the calories neccessary for that fat. Being fat is a choice. Maybe you don't choose to 'be fat', but you certainly make the choice to not exert the willpower to not be fat. Being seduced by a high calorie and low exertion lifestyle is easy, look how many people fall into that trap. It takes will to choose otherwise.

Don't expect sympathy for your lack of will. If you're fine with being fat, I'm fine with you being fat...


as long as it doesn't impact my lifestyle.

Tellya what -- fat people start dressing for their size, I stop slagging fat people. I teach at a university in the Upper Midwest of the US. There is no shortage of very overweight folks here. Not the majority, but they're here. I've got a Buddha belly myself. However, I get violently ill when I see (most often) women wearing clothes that suggest that they've no idea how big they are. If your midriff resembles the Michelin Man's, dammit, wear a full shirt that doesn't cling to each roll. Also, no more form-fitting pants. I've dated a 200+ pound woman who was shapely and proportional and knew how to dress -- one of the sexiest women I've ever been fortunate enough to be with. But when the BBW crowd wear thin, form-fitting sweat pants of bright neon color and I can see the seismic quivering of pounds of subcutaneous bloat with every step, man, that's disgusting. Put that shit away. I don't wear Speedos, you heifers can't wear lycra. Period.
I wear as much as possible to hide teh fattness.

Spandex is no one's friend. Particularly those with a few extra pounds anywhere.
I dunno. I like watching women run track and such. The point is that I don't want to see midriff if you bloody well haven't GOT one and instead have an abdominal flesh souffle that pours over your belt line.

this is sexy too
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/njlittlebear/cross.jpg

Look, obesity is both unhealthy and hard to reverse, and is justly treated with the same disdain as smoking or drug abuse. However, attacks on obesity are not to be taken as an attack on the person who does it. I will loathe fat and fatness as much as I do alcohol abuse and drug addiction, and I am right to do so, but I still acknowledge and respect both the obese person and the drug addict as real human beings that simply have one particular little character defect; as should everyone, I feel.

Oh come on this is sooooooooooooo sexy
http://static.flickr.com/33/50125370_cd8647fd4d.jpg
My eyes! MY EYES!!! AIIIIIIIIIIIGGGHH!

I don't hate fat or fat people.

I hate people who thinks being fat entitles them to special privledge, people who think the world has to accomodate them. People that are over a hundred pounds overweight and demand special parking. People that refuse to acknowledge that their extra weight causes extra expenses for not only certain private sectors but for us the rest of the public.

Being fat is not a disease. No gladular disorder puts weight on you if you don't intake the calories neccessary for that fat. Being fat is a choice. Maybe you don't choose to 'be fat', but you certainly make the choice to not exert the willpower to not be fat. Being seduced by a high calorie and low exertion lifestyle is easy, look how many people fall into that trap. It takes will to choose otherwise.

Don't expect sympathy for your lack of will. If you're fine with being fat, I'm fine with you being fat...


as long as it doesn't impact my lifestyle.


I eat once a day, infact as of right now I've not eaten in 21 hours. My blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol are all well within normal levels (blood sugar stays below 100). Now granted I'm not particularly active, but coming from a long line of fat people, it's not all how much you eat. I don't eat fast food, don't eat sugar, haven't had a carb in months.

I wear as much as possible to hide teh fattness.
You don't necessarily have to hide anything -- hiding isn't the opposite of a deliberate display. Tastefulness, that's all I ask.

*giggles in maddening realization of the impossibility of this request*

this is sexy too
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/njlittlebear/cross.jpg
Aw, shut it DOWN, Bruno! *hworph!*

I eat once a day, infact as of right now I've not eaten in 21 hours. My blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol are all well within normal levels (blood sugar stays below 100). Now granted I'm not particularly active, but coming from a long line of fat people, it's not all how much you eat. I don't eat fast food, don't eat sugar, haven't had a carb in months.
Hello? Mister Obvious? Yes, I have someone I'd like you to visit...

You've just confessed that you don't exercise and you have a family history. It may not be how much you eat, true, but how much of what, and how often. Either way, find a way to move. Hell, if I can do it, anyone can.

There's a thin man inside me screaming to get out.

Serves him right for standing so close to the buffet.


First of all, that comparison is improper and inappropriate and befouls the remembrance of the victims of the holocaust and shoa.
Shame on you - be you fat or not!

The holocaust was 60 years ago. Get over it.

What I find weird is when girls wear tops that don't reach down to their waist so everyone can see their flab.

So... you love junk food. Great, I totally needed that piece of information :confused:

I don't hate fat or fat people.

I hate people who thinks being fat entitles them to special privledge, people who think the world has to accomodate them. People that are over a hundred pounds overweight and demand special parking. People that refuse to acknowledge that their extra weight causes extra expenses for not only certain private sectors but for us the rest of the public.

Being fat is not a disease. No gladular disorder puts weight on you if you don't intake the calories neccessary for that fat. Being fat is a choice. Maybe you don't choose to 'be fat', but you certainly make the choice to not exert the willpower to not be fat. Being seduced by a high calorie and low exertion lifestyle is easy, look how many people fall into that trap. It takes will to choose otherwise.

Don't expect sympathy for your lack of will. If you're fine with being fat, I'm fine with you being fat...


as long as it doesn't impact my lifestyle.


I seconded this!

Hello? Mister Obvious? Yes, I have someone I'd like you to visit...

You've just confessed that you don't exercise and you have a family history. It may not be how much you eat, true, but how much of what, and how often. Either way, find a way to move. Hell, if I can do it, anyone can.

It's incredibly simple thermodynamics. If the calories you consume exceed the calories you expend, you gain weight. If you burn more than you eat, you lose weight. There's really no way around the second law of thermodynamics.

I eat once a day, infact as of right now I've not eaten in 21 hours. My blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol are all well within normal levels (blood sugar stays below 100). Now granted I'm not particularly active, but coming from a long line of fat people, it's not all how much you eat. I don't eat fast food, don't eat sugar, haven't had a carb in months.
That in itself is unhealthy. The healthiest way to be is to eat as much as you want and just do enough exercise to work off the joules you gain from absorbing all that energy. Look at me, I just ate a bowl of tortellini with tomato sauce, a chunk of bannana nut bread with crunchy peanut butter, a piece of matzos, and a container of jello. All this was in the last 30 minutes. And I'm soon going to be eating more. Yet, I'm the right weight for my size. I could never starve myself without going crazy.

The holocaust was 60 years ago. Get over it.
Hah!

I will not get over it, Mr. - but I do expect that you rethink your attitude.

I eat once a day, infact as of right now I've not eaten in 21 hours. My blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol are all well within normal levels (blood sugar stays below 100). Now granted I'm not particularly active, but coming from a long line of fat people, it's not all how much you eat. I don't eat fast food, don't eat sugar, haven't had a carb in months.That low carb crap is bull. Total calorie intake is what matters. And it's not just eating less, you copped to it yourself, you don't lead an active lifestye. Diet can't fix that. That's the real reason America has become a land of plumpers. We want a painless and instant fix for everything, no one wants to give up the couch time, to actually sweat. Women will starve themselves for days but climb in a car for a 4 block trip to the market.

That in itself is unhealthy. The healthiest way to be is to eat as much as you want and just do enough exercise to work off the joules you gain from absorbing all that energy. Look at me, I just ate a bowl of tortellini with tomato sauce, a chunk of bannana nut bread with crunchy peanut butter, a piece of matzos, and a container of jello. All this was in the last 30 minutes. And I'm soon going to be eating more. Yet, I'm the right weight for my size. I could never starve myself without going crazy.


Who's starving? I'm not even vaguely hungry, it'll take some days before my stomach will growl. It's a metabolism thing, mostly I don't have one, either that or it's absurdly efficent.

Went six months once eating nothing but one bowl of raisin bran every day. Just the one. Lost about 20lbs and then it just stopped.

as i see it, if your fat it means you can afford food. it is a social status. that is why i wear my man thong to the beach

I've seen threads on here about how being fat is evil. Fat people are being treated like jews in WWI[sic]. I'm sick of it.

No one said it was evil. They said it was unhealthy and this is fairly easy to confirm simply by looking at it from an evolutionary standpoint. Comparing the suffering of the Jews (note the capitalization, it's a proper noun) in WWII to attitudes against fat is absurd, not to mention potentially offensive. Being expected to pay for both seats on an airplane is not the same thing as being sent to a death camp.

as i see it, if your fat it means you can afford food. it is a social status. that is why i wear my man thong to the beach
BTW, nothing personal or anything, but I hate you. Just to let you know.
Khadgar- lucky bastard, I have to eat almost constantly to provide myself with enough energy to work. I've become addicted to physical activity and that's one of the side effects. Come, run with me, all the cool kids are doing it.

Personally, I'm a little overweight, and I've got a little more flab than perhaps I should, but at least I wear clothes that fit properly, and therefore don't have me rolling out all over the place. No spare tires for me, thanks! Actually, lately clothes that used to fit have been getting too big, so I'll need to get some new clothes soon so I don't look like I have bits of rainbow-coloured elephant skin hanging off me. [/Harry Potter reference]

I don't hate fat people, or I'd hate myself to some degree. I just hate fat people who don't know how to dress to flatter their bodies as opposed to having it all hang out. Big is beautiful, when you know how to show it right.

One of my pet peeves is when some skinny guy looks at a heavy person and assumes that he eats a lot. Personally, I ate far more in my 20's when I weighed 130 pounds than I do now in my 40's at 205.

BTW I hate you. Just to let you know.
Khadgar- lucky bastard, I have to eat almost constantly to provide myself with enough energy to work. I've become addicted to physical activity and that's one of the side effects. Come, run with me, all the cool kids are doing it.

Last job I worked I did a lot of very disgusting very physical activity, so I ate even less. Still didn't lose anything. I tend to plateau and then not drop below that level. Not sure why.

I do know a guy who has to eat nearly constantly or he starts to get hypo-glycemic. Of course he's also hyperactive as hell.

Actually, I bleieve the Jews were definitely persecuted in WWI. Look at Franz Kafka.
You can actually believe whatever you want. Franz Kafka was not persecuted in the Great War.

Ha-ha! Fat people. Hehehehe. Want some cake?

Retarded taunting aside, it's just unhealthy.

You don't necessarily have to hide anything -- hiding isn't the opposite of a deliberate display. Tastefulness, that's all I ask.

*giggles in maddening realization of the impossibility of this request*
Polo shirt and cargo shorts? *shrugs*

but I do expect that you rethink your attitude.

You'll have a long wait.

I do know a guy who has to eat nearly constantly or he starts to get hypo-glycemic. Of course he's also hyperactive as hell.
Hmmm, besides hypo glycemic, he sounds like me. I should meet this guy.

Nightmare- He was not directly persecuted, but don't think that the persecution of the Jews started in the late 20's. He felt the pressures of hatred around the time WWI ended, so technically you're right, but it was around that time. Seriously, I hate literary analysis, but sometimes it's actually useful(read the Metamorphosis).

Let me share with you a tale. Last Sunday I went for a ride along the river before work. I bike commute almost everyday, 8 miles one way, even though I work an evening shift. Last Sunday it was such a nice day I rode an additional 20 miles just before work. Before work I needed to stop and get some lunch, so I stopped in a sub shop. While I was standing there in line sweating in my lycra and spandex (yeah, I wear it... and I look damn good in it too) I heard two guys talking behind me. I hadn't seen them come in and I didn't turn around. I just listened, at first it sounded like they were talking about a fight they were involved in but then as I listened I realized they were talking about a video role playing game. It sounded like they played it a lot. After I ordered I turned and looked at these two young men (they appeared to be in their twenties). Each had to weigh at least three hundred pounds.

Somehow I wasn't surprised.

Lifestyle, people. It, not diet is what makes you fat or thin. Those two guys and I were dining on the same food, but I was doing it after riding my bike that morning, they were doing so after sitting around playing video games.

That's why I weigh 175 and they weigh over a hundred pounds more.

Ha-ha! Fat people. Hehehehe. Want some cake?

Yes. **eats lots of cake**

You'll have a long wait.
And you have no idea what you are talking about.

Trying to relativize the impact of historical events only serves very few purposes - none of which are to be regarded as to have a positive outcome.

Especially when it comes to events from my country's history I speak up when comparisons like the one in the OP are made.

They are injust and ridicule the fate millions had to suffer.

Yes. **eats lots of cake**

Goddamnit, I was going to steal the cake before anyone could get it! >:|

Goddamnit, I was going to steal the cake before anyone could get it! >:|

Once more, fat people outsmart you others in the area of food attaining

I've seen threads on here about how being fat is evil. Fat people are being treated like jews in WWI. I'm sick of it.

So screw you haters of fat!
i'm fat, too. and i hate it :(

mostly because i feel like i'm being judged negatively by everyone around me, all the time... and also i don't like the look of myself at all, but its mostly the former that makes me uncomfortable.

i would join your "fuck you skinny" parade but i'm just too fat and lazy :D

i'm fat, too. and i hate it :(

mostly because i feel like i'm being judged negatively by everyone around me, all the time... and also i don't like the look of myself at all, but its mostly the former that makes me uncomfortable.

i would join your "fuck you skinny" parade but i'm just too fat and lazy :D
Heh, same :(

And why do you think I didn't write alot? Lazy! :D

Heh, same :(

And why do you think I didn't write alot? Lazy! :D
check out these non-capitalised nouns and sentences.... lazy! :p

You'll have a long wait.

Why should they forget something that caused the death of 6 million Jews? By the way, asshole, start thinking on a larger scale, 60 years is not long at all, hell, 400 years isn't. There are still survivors of the holocaust alive, if you haven't noticed. Not to mention the Jews have been one of the most persecuted peoples in the history of man, if we ignored it would be likely to happen again.

check out these non-capitalised nouns and sentences.... lazy! :p
Damn!

Nightmare- He was not directly persecuted, but don't think that the persecution of the Jews started in the late 20's. He felt the pressures of hatred around the time WWI ended, so technically you're right, but it was around that time. Seriously, I hate literary analysis, but sometimes it's actually useful(read the Metamorphosis).

Metamorphosis has fuck all to do with being Jewish.

Once more, fat people outsmart you others in the area of food attaining

Joke's on you, Mr 'I'm so good I can steal TGB's cake any time I try', it was chock-full of laxatives and dieuretics!

Nightmare- He was not directly persecuted, but don't think that the persecution of the Jews started in the late 20's. He felt the pressures of hatred around the time WWI ended, so technically you're right, but it was around that time. Seriously, I hate literary analysis, but sometimes it's actually useful(read the Metamorphosis).
Please, don't try and lecture me on my country's past unless you have a valid point.
Which you don't, especially not with Metamorphosis.
Besides, you know that analysing texts usually requires you to interpret - and you can read a lot into texts...

I've seen threads on here about how being fat is evil. Fat people are being treated like jews in WWI. I'm sick of it.
IIRC, the Jews were treated quite normally, or as normal as it could get, during WWI. Somebody needs to brush up on history ;)

I'm slightly overweight; I loathe fat people.

Being fat shows a lack of self control and disdain for your body. If you're genetically predisposed to overeat, be endomorphic, or have a slow metabolism, a person should take that into account in his day to day life.

Seriously, being fat only proves that you're a pawn to your genetics.
And that truly disgusts me.

IIRC, the Jews were treated quite normally, or as normal as it could get, during WWI. Somebody needs to brush up on history ;)

Must be the fat going to his head.

(Sorry, that's a vague allusion to SeaLab 2021.)

Please, don't try and lecture me on my country's past unless you have a valid point.
Which you don't, especially not with Metamorphosis.

Aside from the fact that Kafka wasn't German, and Metamorphosis wasn't written in Germany, anyhow...

Aside from the obvious and very serious health problems caused by obesity, you will never have sex with a pretty girl that you dont pay.

You really should get in shape.

Aside from the obvious and very serious health problems caused by obesity, you will never have sex with a pretty girl that you dont pay.


Ah yes, because all pretty girls are exactly the same and completely unable to think for themselves. In otherewords, you are talking nonsense.

I'm slightly overweight; I loathe fat people.

Being fat shows a lack of self control and disdain for your body. If you're genetically predisposed to overeat, be endomorphic, or have a slow metabolism, a person should take that into account in his day to day life.

Seriously, being fat only proves that you're a pawn to your genetics.
And that truly disgusts me.

Hrnn. I don't really pay attention to people like you. Telling an obese person to simply stop eating because it "truly disgusts" you is like someone who's been abstinent for their whole life lecturing an alcoholic about his addiction.

Nice in theory but more could be achieved to help obese people with their problem (if they want help) with encouragement rather than insults.

I honestly can't agree with the OP though, fatties aren't persecuted like the jews or anything so ridiculous, but there is a social stigma attached to it that I don't like.

Oh well! Who's for cheese? :)

Either extreme can be unappealing:

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OR

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5ws5ZGFEIAcA1zmjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12h51o9cg/EXP=1147319737/**http%3a//steelturman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/obese.JPG

Which is worse?

Personally, I'm in the "voloptuous" range. I'm glad I'm not too large or too small, but I wouldn't mind losing the pooch. Even when I was a size 4 I used to think I was too fat. I've learned to just accept myself as I am now.

Ah yes, because all pretty girls are exactly the same and completely unable to think for themselves. In otherewords, you are talking nonsense.


No, I'm not talking nonsense, I'm right.

I defy you to go out and have sex with some fat slob.

I'd suspect that between the two intolerance causes far more grief and social problems than obesity. Despise obesity all you like, just quit pretending you are better for the world than fat folk are. Please.

Yes, I could see this as a kind of racism, with pretty much the same cause: there are more fat people that hate themselves than there are skinny people that hate fat people. The persecution is coming from within and yet everyone seems to be pointing out persecution from the outside. Until people realize the true cause of the discrimination, there can be no resolution.

"Blessed are the anorexic and bulemic."
Well that's fucking stupid. Really fucking stupid.

The solution to your woes is simple, if you want to stop being treated like shit because you’re fat, then lose the god damn weight. It really isn’t that hard if you have willpower and determination. If you don’t posses those traits, I probably don’t like you anyway and your weight has nothing to do with it.

I'm sorry that someone was being cruel to you.
tc ok.

You should get into cycling. It's fun and easy.

I've learned to just accept myself as I am now.
Hear hear!

Yes, I could see this as a kind of racism, with pretty much the same cause: there are more fat people that hate themselves than there are skinny people that hate fat people. The persecution is coming from within and yet everyone seems to be pointing out persecution from the outside. Until people realize the true cause of the discrimination, there can be no resolution.
The thing is, the fat people who hate themselves only hate themselves because the skinny people make it clear that overweight people are not welcome. I really hope you don't mean to insinuate that fat people hating themselves is the beginning of the chain. Fat people were happy with themselves, on the whole, before the world became obsessed with being skinny. Now it's a constant barrage of various famous skinny people on the news and ads for all sorts of insane diets.

Calories in vs. calories out is NOT the only, nor anywhere near the best, way to lose weight for everyone. Everyone has a different body chemistry, EVERYONE needs a slightly different diet to lose weight. That's why no diet works for everyone except starvation, and even THEN some people don't lose the weight as quickly as others because bodies are hard-wired to use internal calories slowly during a famine. You can't just stop eating to lose weight. You'll not only eat up your fat, but your proteins, and it can very easily kill you, albeit somewhat slowly. You do need nutrients on a diet, but you need to find the right sources of them for your body before you'll lose any weight.

What really gets on my nerves, though, is when people tell me to grow some self-control. I have self control. I've been eating very healthily, with the exception of a small treat here or there, and those are few and far between. I'm still up a pound in the last 3 months, according to the doctor's scale. I've lost inches off various parts of my body, but not weight. Building muscle is much more healthy than simply losing the fat.

Even with a few famous large people, there's nobody for those in between to look to, either. We either have to look to the super skinny people (Paris Hilton, etc.) and try to be like them to be accepted, or we have to be like the super large people (Queen Latifah, etc.) and try to be like them. I don't recall the last time I saw a REAL-sized woman in a movie, a woman right in the middle who's not a twig but not a whale. Guys with beer bellies/average builds are more common, but guys are less inclined to show that they're worried about their weight, if they worry about it at all.

I suppose I've gone WAY off the topic at hand here, but all the constant "It's all your own fault" and "You just have no self-control" and "You should just stop eating" and so on just REALLY gets on my nerves. It's not all our fault, it's not that we don't have any self control, and it's insane to just stop eating. Every body is different, every body needs a different weight loss method, and weight isn't nearly everything there is to being healthy, so why don't you go put on 50-100 lbs of fat and then see if you feel the same way when you try to lose it as you feel now when you're telling us to lose it, hmm?

It's incredibly simple thermodynamics. If the calories you consume exceed the calories you expend, you gain weight. If you burn more than you eat, you lose weight. There's really no way around the second law of thermodynamics.


Except by the 67th addition to the non-existant law of thermodynamics (which I´ve just invented) which says that calories can mysteriously disappear in times of strangely shaped hats and bunnies...

I suppose I've gone WAY off the topic at hand here, but all the constant "It's all your own fault" and "You just have no self-control" and "You should just stop eating" and so on just REALLY gets on my nerves. It's not all our fault, it's not that we don't have any self control, and it's insane to just stop eating. Every body is different, every body needs a different weight loss method, and weight isn't nearly everything there is to being healthy, so why don't you go put on 50-100 lbs of fat and then see if you feel the same way when you try to lose it as you feel now when you're telling us to lose it, hmm?

It's the same problem as everything else: no matter how it may appear, everyone is responsible for everything in their life. It doesn't matter who created the problem, but it's up to the individual to find the solution. If it's important, do something about it. If it's not important, then do nothing. Conversely, if one does nothing, that implies that it's not important.

It's the same problem as everything else: no matter how it may appear, everyone is responsible for everything in their life. It doesn't matter who created the problem, but it's up to the individual to find the solution. If it's important, do something about it. If it's not important, then do nothing. Conversely, if one does nothing, that implies that it's not important.
I have to disagree. I've known too many people who just reached a point in their lives and got very large for no apparent reason. Is it still their responsibility if they eat the same things they used to and gain more and more weight, when before they were thin?

What about if they try every diet known to man and still can't lose weight. Is it still their fault, their problem then? Would you still taunt and make them feel like crap when they've done everything within their power to get rid of the weight, just because YOU have a stigma attached to it?

So from the age of 10, I became anorexic, and then bulimic, and then stayed that way for about twenty years, until one day I just said, Hey, what if this is it? What if this is just what I look like, and nothing I do changes that? So how much time would I save if I stopped taking that extra second every time I look in the mirror to call myself a big fat fuck? How much time would I save if I just let myself walk by a plate-glass window without sucking in my gut and throwing back my shoulders? How much time would I save? And it turns out I save about 97 minutes a week. I can take a pottery class.

Well said I think.

My best friend used to be fat but now isn't. Throughout the time I've known him he has been fat-phobic. I used to get annoyed with this but realized it's probably a defense mechanism. I made my peace with it, provided he doesn't make other people feel like shit because of their being fat, and to my knowledge he keeps his comments to himself.

Last job I worked I did a lot of very disgusting very physical activity, so I ate even less. Still didn't lose anything. I tend to plateau and then not drop below that level. Not sure why. Sounds like you have a slow metabolism. What can help to increase your metabolism is to eat more meals, in smaller amounts. Eating one meal a day is going to slow your metabolism down.
I'm not sure how you might do that with the bowl of cereal...I suppose you could just eat a few flakes every 2 hours.

IIRC, the Jews were treated quite normally, or as normal as it could get, during WWI. Somebody needs to brush up on history ;)

Jews were never treated normally, they have been persecuted over thousands of years!

Somebody needs to brush up on history ;)

Hrnn. I don't really pay attention to people like you. Telling an obese person to simply stop eating because it "truly disgusts" you is like someone who's been abstinent for their whole life lecturing an alcoholic about his addiction.

Nice in theory but more could be achieved to help obese people with their problem (if they want help) with encouragement rather than insults.

I said that I was overweight myself... that hardly makes me "abstinent."
The bottom line is that anyone with a problem with an addiction or bad habit shouldn't be proud of it, especially when it's something as selfish as overeating, which is one of the worst addictions in a global community with limited resources (both food and medical.)

Well said I think.

Indeed. "Throw clay, don't throw up!"

I don't hate fat people.
Just don't sit next to me on a plane.

I don't hate fat people. I think it's unhealthy for them to be that way, because doctors tell me so, but I don't hate them for it. If you're overweight and comfortable with you are, more power to you, as long as you recognize the potential long-term health effects. No, what really bothers me are the overweight people who don't eat right and don't exercise, then complain about being overweight. I have friends like this. They eat fast food every day, never exercise, and then talk about how it's not fair that I'm so much thinner than they are. It drives me crazy. My family on my dad's side has a history of being overweight, so I try to be careful about what I eat (not too much fatty stuff, almost no junk food, lots of fruit/veggies), and I work out. I don't eat fast food very often (although, that's partly because a lot of it makes me physically ill). I'm not just magically thinner than them, I make it happen for myself. I don't care if you're overweight or not. But if you are, you think it's a problem, and you're not doing anything to fix it, please don't complain about it.

EDIT: When I say I'm careful about what I eat, I'm talking about quality of food I eat, not quantity. I eat quite a bit. So far today I've had a grapefruit, a carton of yoghurt, a glass of juice, an English muffin and some coffee. It's only 9:30 am. I'll probably eat some pretzels or a Luna bar or something in half an hour. Sometimes it feels like I'm constantly eating. :p

I am not fat, but I do need to lose weight. I think my bum is too big (my boyfriend doesn't) and I would like a flatter stomach...also my boobs are way too big for comfort and its a pain in the backside trying to find nice underwear for us more 'curvy' ladies...I don't want to wear bra's like my nan.....:headbang:

I can't be fat, no matter how hard I try (though I don't). My metabolism is extremely high, as I lose weight after I eat even a hamburger.

Hear hear!


The thing is, the fat people who hate themselves only hate themselves because the skinny people make it clear that overweight people are not welcome. I really hope you don't mean to insinuate that fat people hating themselves is the beginning of the chain. Fat people were happy with themselves, on the whole, before the world became obsessed with being skinny. Now it's a constant barrage of various famous skinny people on the news and ads for all sorts of insane diets.

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Being skinny, among other things, is morally better as well. You dont consume TOO much food while hundreds of millions people are in hunger.

I eat once a day, infact as of right now I've not eaten in 21 hours. My blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol are all well within normal levels (blood sugar stays below 100). Now granted I'm not particularly active, but coming from a long line of fat people, it's not all how much you eat. I don't eat fast food, don't eat sugar, haven't had a carb in months.
The fact that you only eat once a day could be part of your problem. Ideally, you should have 5 small meals a day (of healthy foods) one meal a day (even if it's just a small one) slows down your metabolism as your body goes into starvation mode.
Also, despite the Aitkin's craze, carbs aren't the enemy.

Spandex is no one's friend. Particularly those with a few extra pounds anywhere.
Dont talk about spandex, I know about spandex, I was rowing today with only my (spandex) one-peice on it was so hot. Man, I love belonging to a sport in which you have to wear slightly disturbing clothing.

Step away from the Haagen-Daaz, Tubby!

In all seriousness, starving yourself might help you lose weight in the short-term, but you'll just put it back on when you eat regularly again. Its also tough to lose weight by skipping meals, your body's metabolism will slow down since it thinks its starving.

You have to eat proper meals, not all saturated fats and high sugar foods. Also, eating right is only part of the deal. If your metabolism isn't kate mossish in nature, you need to do some exercise. And getting up to find the remote doesn't count as exercise. Go outside, go walk for an hour, go to a gym, something, anything!

The above only goes for women, as I prefer women that are at least somewhat fit. I could care less if other men are fat as hell, that just reduces competition as far as I'm concerned. :D

I would hardly say I hate fat people. It really is unhealthy, though, and it's in their best interests to do something about it. I'm well-aware that losing weight is hard, but so is anything worth having. Where would we be if Thomas Edison or Beethoven decided that inventing or composing was too hard and just quit? Think of it as a challenge and remember that it really will pay off.

Being skinny, among other things, is morally better as well. You dont consume TOO much food while hundreds of millions people are in hunger.


Sorry I don't get that so if I don't eat too much a huingry boy somewhere else in the world gets the food I dson't eat?

Damn strange that coz I always thought that hunger was all to do with poverty, drought and corrupt govements?

Don't you fin it a little unpleasant that you can gorge yourself to death whilst others starve?

Dont talk about spandex, I know about spandex, I was rowing today with only my (spandex) one-peice on it was so hot. Man, I love belonging to a sport in which you have to wear slightly disturbing clothing.

Have you ever mud wrestled in spandex? It looks like you're naked. :p

Being skinny, among other things, is morally better as well. You dont consume TOO much food while hundreds of millions people are in hunger.

Don't bet on it. You could probably feed a small country on what I used to eat when I was skinny.

Oh, and also, if you want to lose a couple pounds try spicey foods, they're supposed to speed up the metabolism.

One of my teachers in highschool got divorced and then went and lost a lot of weight. She started going out every night and dancing as well, she would drink a lot of water (which also speeds up the metabolism as well as flushing out a lot of crap) and would have one glass of water a day with a shot of tobasco sauce in it.

Have you ever mud wrestled in spandex? It looks like you're naked. :p
:p I'd imagine so, have you any personel experience of this. Man I'm wearing my one-peice under my tracksuit bottums at the moment cause im just back from trainning. Its very comfortable.

Fat people are being treated like jews in WWII. I'm sick of it.
ROFL. :D

Oh man, now that's what I call a hyperbola. Right to the edge of space.

:p I'd imagine so, have you any personel experience of this.

Yes. :)

Yes. :)
I am intruiged. This new friendship is moving fast though-we're aleady swapping spandex stories though yours are slightly more ... intresting than mine.

Being skinny, among other things, is morally better as well. You dont consume TOO much food while hundreds of millions people are in hunger.
It's not any morally better at all. It just means you live in a place and have an income that allows you to eat. It's not my fault I was born and raised in Canada as opposed to the boondocks of Africa. Why should I starve myself and avoid eating food that they'll never get to eat anyway thanks to the state of the world these days just because I was born here instead of there?

And I've known FAR too many skinny people who ate like starved pigs and never gained an ounce. Your argument is moot in that sense. Eating less won't make you lose weight by default, and eating more won't make you gain weight. Thank you, try again.

Being skinny, among other things, is morally better as well. You dont consume TOO much food while hundreds of millions people are in hunger.People tend to die of hunger not simply from lack of food, but from lack of access to food. There is currently more than enough food in the world to feed everyone.

People tend to die of hunger not simply from lack of food, but from lack of access to food. There is currently more than enough food in the world to feed everyone.

Yeah, but the fat people eat it all before it can be transported to trouble spots :)

Skinny peple reduce total weight in the car, improving fuel efficiency, and helping make the planet a better place.

And while I have no proof, they probably produce less methane too.

The fact that you only eat once a day could be part of your problem. Ideally, you should have 5 small meals a day (of healthy foods) one meal a day (even if it's just a small one) slows down your metabolism as your body goes into starvation mode.
Also, despite the Aitkin's craze, carbs aren't the enemy.


Been over a decade since I regularly ate more than once a day. Longer than that since I've eaten three times a day. As for the cutting out carbs I just thought it a decent way to cut overall caloric intake.

Had my blood pressure checked today, 124/78. Now in theory I ought lose weight if I'm eating nearly nothing and maintain my level of activity, which while not great isn't that horrid either.

I take comfort in knowing that when the apocolypse comes, my slow metabolism means I'll survive, and you scrawny lil' fucks will starve. :D

Don't you fin it a little unpleasant that you can gorge yourself to death whilst others starve?

no

Been over a decade since I regularly ate more than once a day. Longer than that since I've eaten three times a day. As for the cutting out carbs I just thought it a decent way to cut overall caloric intake.

Had my blood pressure checked today, 124/78. Now in theory I ought lose weight if I'm eating nearly nothing and maintain my level of activity, which while not great isn't that horrid either.

I take comfort in knowing that when the apocolypse comes, my slow metabolism means I'll survive, and you scrawny lil' fucks will starve. :D

You probably only have slow metabolism because you've been eating once a day for so long. Its probably the least healthy way to eat possible.

Cutting out carbohydrates? Smart, really fucking smart. Hey, constant sugar intake is obviously much better than eating those nasty evil carbohydrates!

I am as thin as a pencil and rather proud of it. Considering that I eat large quantities of sugar and carbohydrates, do almost no exercise, and spend much of my time sitting around playing on the computer, I have every right to gloat.

And while I've never gone quite so far as to advocate the execution of all fat people to prevent them from passing on their genes to the next generation... I'm not exactly their biggest fan. Seriously, get some self-control, do some exercise, stop eating so much, or cut out whatever is causing your overweightness -- or consult a doctor if it has nothing to do with any of these. If you're too lazy, you can consider my respect for you nonexistent (and I won't sit next to you on an airplane either).

And while I've never gone quite so far as to advocate the execution of all fat people to prevent them from passing on their genes to the next generation... I'm not exactly their biggest fan. Seriously, get some self-control, do some exercise, stop eating so much, or cut out whatever is causing your overweightness -- or consult a doctor if it has nothing to do with any of these. If you're too lazy, you can consider my respect for you nonexistent (and I won't sit next to you on an airplane either).Why should they have to change their eating & exercise habits if you don't have to? You do realize that an overweight active person is healthier than a lazy skinny person, right?

Why should they have to change their eating & exercise habits if you don't have to? You do realize that an overweight active person is healthier than a lazy skinny person, right?
Yes, probably. Meh, I'll probably be more active once I move out of where I am now...

I've seen threads on here about how being fat is evil. Fat people are being treated like jews in WWII. I'm sick of it.

So screw you haters of fat!

Personally, I've seen just the opposite. I keep seeing people assume that thin people are anorexic or bulimic. Then I see people bitching about the epidemic of fat people in America, that children aren't getting enough exercise, and that my entire generation lazed about watching TV all day when we were younger. All of it is bullshit.

Cutting out carbohydrates? Smart, really fucking smart. Hey, constant sugar intake is obviously much better than eating those nasty evil carbohydrates!
Sugar is a carbohydrate, genius.

I would certainly not call myself a fat-person-hater, but as a very thin person (22 years old and 48kg/105lbs), I am often disheartened while shopping to find that clothes I like are only availiable in large sizes. What is with this preconception that only fat people like Hawaiian shirts?

-To back up my statement with marginally empirical work, I just checked and there are 2054 large and extra-large Hawaiian shirts on ebay.ca and only 210 in small and extra-small.

I mean, really! What's with this!? Surely bigger people do not outnumber smaller people by ten to one.

I've seen threads on here about how being fat is evil. Fat people are being treated like jews in WWII. I'm sick of it.

So screw you haters of fat!

I agree.

I did not realise that fat people were being gassed in their millions.

That is a shame, no?

Perhaps a more humane solution would be to put them on treadmills until they reach a satisfactory weight or level of physical attractiveness.

"What is with this preconception that only fat people like Hawaiian shirts?"

That would be the assumption that only fat people do not care about their appearence. Explain in a stiff letter that you have no shame, either.

I am as thin as a pencil and rather proud of it. Considering that I eat large quantities of sugar and carbohydrates, do almost no exercise, and spend much of my time sitting around playing on the computer, I have every right to gloat.


Enjoy it while you can. In my youth, I ate huge amounts of cookies, candy, and ice cream. I did do a lot of walking and jogging in those days, but as soon as I got back from my walks, I'd dive into the fridge again. And I never gained an ounce.

*Sigh* I miss those days. :(

I mean, really! What's with this!? Surely bigger people do not outnumber smaller people by ten to one.

Depends on whether you're counting them, or weighing them. :)

No offense to anyone, but...I think that fat people have no self-control, and so self-discipline and are lazy. Even the ones that say that they can't help being fat, or the ones with "Potter Willy Syndrome." BUT that DOES NOT mean I hate them. I have alot of fat friends.:) And yet I still think I'm going to get alot of hell for this post. And to tell you the truth, I would rather be hit by an eightteen-wheeler and die, than become obese even in the least bit

Sugar is a carbohydrate, genius.

No. Carbohydrate is made up of sugar, but it isn't a sugar, otherwise it'd be called hydrocarbose :D

T-E-C-H-N-I-C-A-L-I-T-Y!

It's incredibly simple thermodynamics. If the calories you consume exceed the calories you expend, you gain weight. If you burn more than you eat, you lose weight. There's really no way around the second law of thermodynamics.

The second law of thermodynamics is the law that states all living organisms are driven towards entropy.

Right.

I'm glad you've accepted your image. I'm not glad that you don't realise the health risks.

No offense to anyone, but...I think that fat people have no self-control, and so self-discipline and are lazy

I don't know about that. I'm fat, yes, but if I had no self control I'd be a lot fatter than I am.

I am lazy, though.

Just poke 'em. Sooner or later they'll rouse themselves to eat you.
BWAHAHA!

No. Carbohydrate is made up of sugar, but it isn't a sugar, otherwise it'd be called hydrocarbose :D

T-E-C-H-N-I-C-A-L-I-T-Y!


In manner of speaking yes, but, sugars are carbohydrates as well, though as the simplest form of a carbohydrate (the 5 Carbon sugar), one could argue that carbs are sugars as well.

"Sugars are the simplest Carbohydrates" - On Food and Cooking: The Science and Lore of the Kitchen, Harold McGee, p 803

5 Carb sugars are especially important, because two forms of them, Ribose and Deoxyribose form the backbones of RNA and DNA the carriers of our genetic codes.

6 Carb sugars too are important, because they are the molecule from which nearly all living things obtain energy.

Nifty huh?

Here's some more info on Carbs:
"Carbohydrates are produced by all plants and animals for the purpose of storing chemical energy, and by plants to make a supporting skeleton for its cells. Simple sugars and starches are energy stores, while pectins, cellulose, and other cell-wall carbohydrates are the plant's structural materials." - On Food and Cooking: The Science and Lore of the Kitchen, Harold McGee, p 803

Oh, and the name Carbohydrate?

That comes from an early idea that they were simply carbon combined with water.

Actually they are Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen, but the Hydrogen and Oxygen isn't bonded as itact water complexes in the molecule.

Hope this helps :)

I have to disagree. I've known too many people who just reached a point in their lives and got very large for no apparent reason. Is it still their responsibility if they eat the same things they used to and gain more and more weight, when before they were thin?

What about if they try every diet known to man and still can't lose weight. Is it still their fault, their problem then? Would you still taunt and make them feel like crap when they've done everything within their power to get rid of the weight, just because YOU have a stigma attached to it?

As long as a person remains fat, it is their problem because it can be nobody else's. The only person that can take responsibility for your life is you. Once you take responsibility for your life, then you can do something about it. If you give the responsibility for your life to someone else, then you are powerless to do anything about it.

I just like reading these threads some times to see what people think....

I live in the U.S.A. and am 21 years old. Now when I was in school I played every sport and was very good, excercised everyday for at least 3 hours and looked so freakin hot and studly when the picture was taken it just showed light because it couldnt capture the beauty of my body....

Now that Im done creaming over myself let me get to the point. I weight 165 pounds and am 5'8". When I graduated is 03 I pretty much stopped doing anything and went to college..........I got heavy ate at fast food places drank the beer and cokes etc... I gained over 35 pounds. Which doesnt seem like a big deal from 17 to age 20. But I had only 7.6% of body fat at 17 I had gone to 28%......That is a major body transformation. I was depressed and disliked myself, I felt tired and (even though it was small) my belly that just pudged a little was horrible to me. I felt FAT and hated it. So I started running on a treadmill I bought and started eating better. I put the vitamins back into my system and started weight training. I now weigh 175 and am at a healthy 14% body fat.

For short, being fat is a choice, not for all people but most. If it wasnt choice Americans would not have gone from such a little population being overweight to having it classified as a disease so the overwhelming strain on the health system could be delt with. If your fat look at your life, do you excercise? Do you eat healthy? Do you eat balanced and often? Eating more times in smaller amounts is better than eating less times and eating more.

ALSO IF YOUR FAT AND YOU TAKE UP TWO AIRLINE SEATS PAY FOR THE SECOND SEAT BECAUSE YOUR USING IT NOT BECAUSE THEY HATE YOU....

Fat people....Hmmmm...... At least you can change your body try being a Arab right now in America I bet that sucks more than being fat... Unless I guess your a fat Arab....:headbang:

No offense to anyone, but...I think that fat people have no self-control, and so self-discipline and are lazy. Even the ones that say that they can't help being fat, or the ones with "Potter Willy Syndrome." BUT that DOES NOT mean I hate them. I have alot of fat friends.:) And yet I still think I'm going to get alot of hell for this post. And to tell you the truth, I would rather be hit by an eightteen-wheeler and die, than become obese even in the least bit

To be honest, I find people with excessive self-control no fun at all to be around. But that's just me.

Has it ever occured to you that some people may simply not see the point in controling themselves day and night, supressing insticts, emotions and urges to reach a goal they don't regard as very desirable anyway?
It's a very simple cost-reward calculation. I'm fat, and although I didn't make a conscious decision to become fat, I did make a conscious decision to remain fat. I feel ok the way I look, and going through the ordeal of having to starve myself and then exercise rigid control over my eating for the rest of my life just so I would comply with the image some people find beautiful does not in any way sound a very smart or even healthy choice to me. Cooking is one of my big hobbies, and I like what I cook. Having a really fresh and tasty meal is a great experience for me, and not one I'd be happy to give up.

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Fat people....Hmmmm...... At least you can change your body try being a Arab right now in America I bet that sucks more than being fat... Unless I guess your a fat Arab....:headbang:
With a long beard :D

I must say I agree with the people who say that eating more often in smaller portions will do wonder for your weight, plus drinking lots and lots of water.

I dont care in general if people are fat, but since where I live the fat people among with people who smoke are a heavy tax on the governments funds and that money could be needed other places as well, I cant say I like the thought that so many people think its their right to be obese.

Myself, I am lazy I admit and I could easily become fat if I stopped caring about myself. I am a little overweight I should weigh some 10-20 pounds less(or 5-10 kg) than I am now, but at least its not such that its unhealthy as yet.

Hahaha, American fat people who eat no carbohydrates, eat THIS!

Based on evidence for risk of heart disease and obesity, the Institute of Medicine recommends that American and Canadian adults get between 40-65% of dietary energy from carbohydrates.[1] The Food and Agriculture Organization and World Health Organization jointly recommend that national dietary guidelines set a goal of 55-75% of total energy from carbohydrates

(Joint WHO/FAO expert consultation (2003). Diet, Nutrition and the Prevention of Chronic Diseases (PDF). Geneva: World Health Organization. Pages 55-56. ISBN 92-4-120916-X)

To be honest, I find people with excessive self-control no fun at all to be around. But that's just me.

Has it ever occured to you that some people may simply not see the point in controling themselves day and night, supressing insticts, emotions and urges to reach a goal they don't regard as very desirable anyway?
It's a very simple cost-reward calculation. I'm fat, and although I didn't make a conscious decision to become fat, I did make a conscious decision to remain fat. I feel ok the way I look, and going through the ordeal of having to starve myself and then exercise rigid control over my eating for the rest of my life just so I would comply with the image some people find beautiful does not in any way sound a very smart or even healthy choice to me. Cooking is one of my big hobbies, and I like what I cook. Having a really fresh and tasty meal is a great experience for me, and not one I'd be happy to give up.

Fair play to you! Sure its all well and good to keep in shape and that, but if you dont want to then why should you. I hate it when magazines bitch about a celebrity for putting on a few pounds. WHO CARES.
And its ridiculous what you see on telly, "seven signs of aging" and all that shite. Theyr even trying to get men to use "moisturisers" and cream to get rid of wrinkles. "Men who dare to care"!!!??? Has the whole world gone insane!? Within healthy reason, people should eat what they want, dress how they want and look however the hell they want. It makes me sick to think that there are people out there who know theyr making money from giving people complexes about themselves, and they just keep doing it.

Heres to "Nivea", "Olay" and all the rest of you shower of shites :upyours:

And its ridiculous what you see on telly, "seven signs of aging" and all that shite. Theyr even trying to get men to use "moisturisers" and cream to get rid of wrinkles. "Men who dare to care"!!!??? Has the whole world gone insane!? Within healthy reason, people should eat what they want, dress how they want and look however the hell they want. It makes me sick to think that there are people out there who know theyr making money from giving people complexes about themselves, and they just keep doing it.

Heres to "Nivea", "Olay" and all the rest of you shower of shites :upyours:
commercialism is a wonderful thing. create a want that people otherwise wouldn't have, and exploit it. woo! makes them more money and the consumers more miserable - its a double-whammy of shitness! :rolleyes: :mad:



i, too, agree with Cabra. if you have no real desire to be not-fat (not necessarily 'thin') then so be it. and thats me - i'm quite happy like this EXCEPT for thinking, feeling and knowing that other people are judging me because of my weight and appearance. i'm not secure enough in myself to just let that slide or say 'fuck em', and i hate it - its the reason why i want to lose weight, not for myself but to stop feeling looked down upon and laughed at - and the reason why i hate myself for being this way.

i'm 5 ft 11 and 220 pounds. i look quite fat but i'm not a blob. i get tired easily and things... for health reasons it would be good to lose maybe 20 pounds or so, so i'm trying to do that a bit. but i love eating - food and taste are two of life's best pleasures. simple as that. i enjoy cooking. i love experiencing flavours. i think its something left over from my depression days in that when nothing else holds any pleasure for you, the one thing left is a direct pleasure - and taste is just that: direct, biological pleasure. meh... i'm going on a rant here but i'm just waiting to get out the door heh.... i used to swim a lot, too. training at 5 in the morning and all that BS, and when i broke my arm it all stopped very suddenly. my metabolism kicked into reverse and i put on weight like nobody's business... and it just has never come off :(


edit: that said, i don't really like the look of my own appearance. shouldn't have gone and looked in that mirror!:rolleyes: :p

i, too, agree with Cabra. if you have no real desire to be not-fat (not necessarily 'thin') then so be it. and thats me - i'm quite happy like this EXCEPT for thinking, feeling and knowing that other people are judging me because of my weight and appearance. i'm not secure enough in myself to just let that slide or say 'fuck em', and i hate it - its the reason why i want to lose weight, not for myself but to stop feeling looked down upon and laughed at - and the reason why i hate myself for being this way.

I know that feeling... and I always perceived it as grossly unfair that others feel they get to look down upon me because of my weight, that they automatically assume I'm lazy and weak and have no self-control.
The one thing that kept me going was simply knowing that I had at least 10 times more personality, character and charisma than those simpletons. And, Huw, so do you.
And I also knew that I only developed into the kind of person I am today because of the way I look, and because of the immense pressure I was getting from all sides (not least my family) for it. You could say I had to grow character to survive this.

What really, really helped me was that I found some people (especially in the last few weeks) who not only don't mind my appearance, but who actually find just that beautiful and sexy. Wow. :D
Huw, if you're unsure about that, ask Amy, I'm sure she'll tell you. And if she doesn't : I think you look fantastic the way you do. :fluffle:

Don't think it's unfair to automatically assume that you have more personality than someone on the basis that you assume that they assume you're a weak-willed blob?

ASSUME! ASSUME! ASSUME!

Don't think it's unfair to automatically assume that you have more personality than someone on the basis that you assume that they assume you're a weak-willed blob?

ASSUME! ASSUME! ASSUME!

You can't measure personality, so I'm on shaky ground here ;)
But if I do have something it is personality. :p

I just want to say assume a lot! Or so I assume...

As long as a person remains fat, it is their problem because it can be nobody else's. The only person that can take responsibility for your life is you. Once you take responsibility for your life, then you can do something about it. If you give the responsibility for your life to someone else, then you are powerless to do anything about it.
The only one that can take responsibility for something completely beyond your control in many cases is yourself? Wow, great logic, Watson. Too bad you're again making moot points, seeing as A) large people have, in many cases, taken 'responsibility' for their lives and tried to lose weight, but have failed in every diet they've tried, B) many people are large for reasons completely out of their control, as I pointed out earlier, and C) just to be pedantic, your parents can take responsibility for your life, too: if they raised you to eat unhealthily, it's their fault more than yours, and many parents are doing just this to their kids.

Once again, give it one more try if you still think you can come up with something better than "It's your fault all the way, you're worthless because you won't do anything and have no self-control no matter what you say because you're fat". :)

something completely beyond your control in many cases
Obesity is rarely completely beyond the control of the sufferer, they simply don't have the willpower to do something about it.

A) large people have, in many cases, taken 'responsibility' for their lives and tried to lose weight, but have failed in every diet they've tried,
That's because they rarely exercise enough, or diet poorly.

B) many people are large for reasons completely out of their control, as I pointed out earlier,
Wrong. If genetic weight gain was as widespread as obesity is, the human race would never have survived the pre-historic era.

C) just to be pedantic, your parents can take responsibility for your life, too: if they raised you to eat unhealthily, it's their fault more than yours, and many parents are doing just this to their kids.
If someone is raised to eat poorly, and then continues to eat poorly after they move out, that is their fault, not their parents.

Wrong. If genetic weight gain was as widespread as obesity is, the human race would never have survived the pre-historic era.



Actually, that is exactly why the human race survived prehistoric (and historic) times. The ability to store as much food as possible in times of plenty, so that you won't starve in times of low food supplies.

Nobody is perfect. For someone to judge a person based on their weight isnt just shallow, its stupid, because that someone no doubt has faults of their own. Pretty obvious I know, but I just thought I should say it.

Actually, that is exactly why the human race survived prehistoric (and historic) times. The ability to store as much food as possible in times of plenty, so that you won't starve in times of low food supplies.
It didn't make people obese, though: it gave them enough fat to survive the cold and famine

Actually, that is exactly why the human race survived prehistoric (and historic) times. The ability to store as much food as possible in times of plenty, so that you won't starve in times of low food supplies.

If prehistoric humans were all obese they wouldn't have been able to catch anything. There was a surprising lack of fast food resteraunts in prehistoric times, and nobody back then had the money to buy anything.

It didn't make people obese, though: it gave them enough fat to survive the cold and famine

There you go.
It isn't that people changed in any way since prehistoric times, they still follow their genetic programs. We just changed our environment drastically.

If prehistoric humans were all obese they wouldn't have been able to catch anything. There was a surprising lack of fast food resteraunts in prehistoric times, and nobody back then had the money to buy anything.

Correct. Our environment changed, but our bodies are still programmed to store as many nutrients as possible, and to avoid actions that will unnecessarily loose nutritients. Genetically, fat people just function better than skinny ones.

I'm not saying that it does no damage to them, or that fat people are in any way better than skinny ones. I'm just stating biological facts.

There you go.
It isn't that people changed in any way since prehistoric times, they still follow their genetic programs. We just changed our environment drastically.
It's the environment (i.e. the lack of predators, the ease of getting food) that makes people obese. But, if a person starts to gain weight, they can diet and exercise (which basically simulates natural life) to stay at a natural and healthy body weight/composition.

It's the environment (i.e. the lack of predators, the ease of getting food) that makes people obese. But, if a person starts to gain weight, they can diet and exercise (which basically simulates natural life) to stay at a natural and healthy body weight/composition.
It's not as easy as you seem to think to "diet and exercise". Aside from the fact that diet often doesn't work (eg. fat people who eat almost nothing and still have the weight, skinny people who eat enough to feed a small city and don't gain an ounce), and it's not exactly within everyone's power to get up and run for 3 hours a day, every day.

Have you ever been obese? If you haven't been more than 50 lbs above the 'ideal' weight for your height, I recommend you stop spouting all this rubbish. If you have, then you have one VERY closed mind and should really do some, oh, I don't know, research, or maybe even just asking of other people about their obesity, how they've tried to fix it, and how they've probably failed.

I judge everyone. Sadly, there have been few people as perfect as myself. :p

Huw, if you're unsure about that, ask Amy, I'm sure she'll tell you. And if she doesn't : I think you look fantastic the way you do. :fluffle:
I do tell him. But it's hard to "convince" him how I see him because you can't explain away attraction - I can't back up my view or use proof or arguments to show him the way I feel. My bodies reaction to him should be something...

I think he's utterly gorgeous and extremely sexy and I just look at him and think wow, not only am I lucky enough to have someone who is so brilliant in every single way character-wise, but he's also so damn hot! :fluffle:

And however long it takes to make him believe that, I'm more than happy to stay with him, gradually building up his confidence in himself - or at least trying to make it so that I'm one person he can feel totally comfortable around :) That's what he does for me and I long to be able to do that for him. If there's anyone he should feel comfortable with in general, it's me, 'cause I'm probably the person who knows most about him and I love everything about him. Everything. And I'm the person who knows his body the best, and I love it! :D

It's not as easy as you seem to think to "diet and exercise". Aside from the fact that diet often doesn't work (eg. fat people who eat almost nothing and still have the weight, skinny people who eat enough to feed a small city and don't gain an ounce), and it's not exactly within everyone's power to get up and run for 3 hours a day, every day.

Have you ever been obese? If you haven't been more than 50 lbs above the 'ideal' weight for your height, I recommend you stop spouting all this rubbish. If you have, then you have one VERY closed mind and should really do some, oh, I don't know, research, or maybe even just asking of other people about their obesity, how they've tried to fix it, and how they've probably failed.
You don't have to run for three hours, and exercising every day doesn't work. You need to exercise one day, then spend a day resting, so that your body has time to heal.
I like your insinuation that skinny people are better off. I've been underweight my entire life, and let me tell you, getting beaten to hamburger every day in middle school is not fun. I try to gain weight and muscle, but I'm stuck at 140 lbs., as I have been for the past few years.

You don't have to run for three hours, and exercising every day doesn't work. You need to exercise one day, then spend a day resting, so that your body has time to heal.
I like your insinuation that skinny people are better off. I've been underweight my entire life, and let me tell you, getting beaten to hamburger every day in middle school is not fun. I try to gain weight and muscle, but I'm stuck at 140 lbs., as I have been for the past few years.

I'm the same way, though I'm quite sure it's because I'm in the midst of a growth spurt (just hit age 18 back in March). I remember that my brother couldn't gain weight at this age, either.

I just hope that I don't stay this way... :p

You don't have to run for three hours, and exercising every day doesn't work. You need to exercise one day, then spend a day resting, so that your body has time to heal.
I like your insinuation that skinny people are better off. I've been underweight my entire life, and let me tell you, getting beaten to hamburger every day in middle school is not fun. I try to gain weight and muscle, but I'm stuck at 140 lbs., as I have been for the past few years.
I never said skinny people were better off, I just said that you should stop telling us to get some self-control and get off our lazy asses unless you've BEEN there. That's the problem with skinny people, you're all obsessed with telling us that we're SO much more unhealthy than you and that we're always wrong and all the crap you've been spouting in this thread. Unless you've been overweight and overcome it, don't go trying to tell people who are overweight what to do, please and thanks.

I know that being on either side of what should be average is hard. I've known really skinny people who couldn't gain weight, and I've known large people who couldn't lose it. I recommend only telling people on your side of the line what to do, and only if you've overcome it. If you can't do it, it's best to keep your trap shut to avoid coming across as a hypocrite.

I'm not hugely fat, but I'm definitely heavier than I should be. I also haven't read beyond the first few posts in this thread, because who cares?

I'm sick of the whole "big is beautiful" campaign. Fat is ugly, fat is unhealthy, and fat people are too damn proud of being fat. I, personally, am trying to lose weight so I can be slim, attractive, and healthy. Not to "hate" on fat people, I just happen to think that the media has this one right: fat is gross. People with a little extra weight can be just fine, but this gigantic movement towards "fat tolerance" is just absurd. Lose some weight already, for pete's sake. You'll definitely think you look better, no matter what self-indulgent BS you opportunistically cling to while you're fat.

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Big is beautiful, obese is not. If you're not ridiculously above your 'ideal' weight, or if you are somewhat but you're very fit for your weight, and you know how to dress to flatter your weight instead of having it hanging out all over the place, you can be one of the most beautiful people in the room. It's when you're a big glob and you're wearing clothes 5 sizes too small that you start being gross.

I've seen threads on here about how being fat is evil. Fat people are being treated like jews in WWII. I'm sick of it.

So screw you haters of fat!

Get over yourself.

Show me an Auschwitz for the fat, you stupid pig and then complain.

You bitch because people dont have sympathy for someone who doesnt have a problem they just wont get from in front of their computer or stop shoveling shit in their mouth---you deserve to be ostricized.

How dare you compare a genocide against an ethnic group to being so lazy and gluttonous it becomes lethal.



Yes your fat, but by your opening post you are obviously also stupid.

I can relate to what Liberated New Ireland is saying. When I was in high school, I weighed less than he does. I got some respect because I was an agressive SOB who would fight anyone even if they did have 20-40 pounds over me, but I still got my butt kicked while I was building my rep.

Now, I see the other side. I'm far from obese, but I am well over my ideal weight, and dieting doesn't do squat. And it's not that easy to exercise when you work 11+ hours a day (including commute time), and have other things to do. I'm sure my walks help my health, but I'm still overweight. :(

I don't hate fat or fat people.

I hate people who thinks being fat entitles them to special privledge, people who think the world has to accomodate them. People that are over a hundred pounds overweight and demand special parking. People that refuse to acknowledge that their extra weight causes extra expenses for not only certain private sectors but for us the rest of the public.

Being fat is not a disease. No gladular disorder puts weight on you if you don't intake the calories neccessary for that fat. Being fat is a choice. Maybe you don't choose to 'be fat', but you certainly make the choice to not exert the willpower to not be fat. Being seduced by a high calorie and low exertion lifestyle is easy, look how many people fall into that trap. It takes will to choose otherwise.

Don't expect sympathy for your lack of will. If you're fine with being fat, I'm fine with you being fat...


as long as it doesn't impact my lifestyle.


Do your research before you make claims.

There are glandular disorders that can cause you to be overweight. The thyroid gland is the galnd that helps to maintain metabolism and body weight, as well as body temperature and helping to maintain the cardiovascular and nervous system. For the most part is does a great job too, but for some people their thyroid gland doesn't function properly. Sometimes it's overactive, meaning you have a much higher metabolism and end up underweight if you don't compensate, and for some people it's underactive meaning you have a much lower metabolism and need to also compensate accordingly.

And then you get people who have thyroids that don't fuction properly in that it's fluctuates dramatically in the release of the thyroid hormones. It is very, very difficult to compensate for how you're thyroid is affecting your metabolism if it keeps changing, and usually it results in weight gain despite controlled eating and regular exercise.

There are also the people who either have a completely disfunctional thyroid or who have had to have their thyroid removed and take synthetic thyroid hormones to compensate. Again, this is hard to control because each person is different and it can take years to get the dosage right, only to find a few months later that the body has changed and you need to adjust the dosage again.

Most people who know they have thyroid problems are concious of it and do change their eating habits and exercise habits to compensate, but it doesn't always work that way. It's like trying to fill a glass with water without it overflowing when the water pressure keeps changing very suddenly and with no pattern. It's very hit and miss.

So again, do your research before making claims. There is nothing I hate more than voluntary ignorance.

Big is beautiful, obese is not. If you're not ridiculously above your 'ideal' weight, or if you are somewhat but you're very fit for your weight, and you know how to dress to flatter your weight instead of having it hanging out all over the place, you can be one of the most beautiful people in the room. It's when you're a big glob and you're wearing clothes 5 sizes too small that you start being gross.
What is attractive is a matter of opinion, I like women to be thick---but i dont want them to complain about how they are treated.

Nor do I think it is more healthy then being the proper weight, getting the proper exercise and eating the right way--because it isnt.

What is healthy is not a matter of opinion it is a matter of fact, FAT-- i.e. over weight is not good, regardless of if you still pull off being sexy.

And yes, I do realise there are still plenty of fat bastards out there that are fat because they are lazy and overeat and have no motivation to change. These people do disgust me.

I'm pointing out that you can't pidgeon-hole all people that are overweight as being lazy and saying they do it to themselves, because it actually isn't always the case.

I can relate to what Liberated New Ireland is saying. When I was in high school, I weighed less than he does. I got some respect because I was an agressive SOB who would fight anyone even if they did have 20-40 pounds over me, but I still got my butt kicked while I was building my rep.

Now, I see the other side. I'm far from obese, but I am well over my ideal weight, and dieting doesn't do squat. And it's not that easy to exercise when you work 11+ hours a day (including commute time), and have other things to do. I'm sure my walks help my health, but I'm still overweight. :(
Are you at work right now? If not you could be exercising--just 20 minutes of an elevated heart rate.

If you are at work, then you desk jockey---do crunchers in your chair, every time you have stand up do five squats, WHen I was laoding trucks we would do five chin-up for every truck loaded or unloaded and 10 push-ups, over the coarse of ten hours it adds up.

The point is you are sitting, doing nothing--saying you dont have time ....you do have time, you simply choose not to use it.

Are you at work right now? If not you could be exercising--just 20 minutes of an elevated heart rate.

If you are at work, then you desk jockey---do crunchers in your chair, every time you have stand up do five squats, WHen I was laoding trucks we would do five chin-up for every truck loaded or unloaded and 10 push-ups, over the coarse of ten hours it adds up.

The point is you are sitting, doing nothing--saying you dont have time ....you do have time, you simply choose not to use it.

Very true.

I work in front of my computer. Rather than spending my entire lunch break sitting, I eat lunch then go for a walk. I make the time to walk/jog for at least half an hour at least three times a week. While I haven't lost all that much weight, I certainly haven't gained anymore, and that's the difference.

I hate to burst everyones little bubble here but "fatness" is a socially constructed issue. Every damn day studies come out changing what you should and shouldn't eat to reach the "ideal" weight of 150-175 lbs. No one ever questions what makes this weight so much better than any other one because it is an assumption we make as a society.

I weigh 275 pounds, according to most standards of measurement I am obese--morbidly obese. I have had doctors tell me this, however, given the fact that I am 6'9 I don't look like I weigh that much at all. Nor am I significantly at risk for heart disease, because of my weight since I exercise daily and eat healthy foods in moderation. The idea that weight is the only determining factor for some of these diseases is just sad and is an indicator of how much someone has been taken in by the cult of weight. Weight is no where near as important as lifestyle, family history, and personal medical history. Also some uninformed moron in this thread stated that "No glandular disorder puts weight on you," this is sadly not true, several glandular disorders can cause an individual to gain or lose weight, sometimes to a ridiculous degree.

Those of you who don't care how much a person weighs you just think "teh fat" is ugly are also falling into a socially constructed trap. This whole issue is fake, someone is fat or not fat based, not on any objective reality, but on your own personal and societal preconceptions.

Get over yourselves and move on with your lives.

What is attractive is a matter of opinion, I like women to be thick---but i dont want them to complain about how they are treated.

Nor do I think it is more healthy then being the proper weight, getting the proper exercise and eating the right way--because it isnt.

What is healthy is not a matter of opinion it is a matter of fact, FAT-- i.e. over weight is not good, regardless of if you still pull off being sexy.
There's a difference between being obese and being 'overweight'-but-fit-and-healthy. Just to point that out. Being a few pounds over and having a good body fat percentage and a good lifestyle is healthier than being an 'ideal' weight and having a poor lifestyle

Are you at work right now? If not you could be exercising--just 20 minutes of an elevated heart rate.

If you are at work, then you desk jockey---do crunchers in your chair, every time you have stand up do five squats, WHen I was laoding trucks we would do five chin-up for every truck loaded or unloaded and 10 push-ups, over the coarse of ten hours it adds up.

The point is you are sitting, doing nothing--saying you dont have time ....you do have time, you simply choose not to use it.

Yes, I am at work, and I'm about to take my morning break. I do walk around the parking lot on my breaks, and I'm sure it does help my overall health. But it doesn't seem to help my weight any.

I never said skinny people were better off, I just said that you should stop telling us to get some self-control and get off our lazy asses unless you've BEEN there. That's the problem with skinny people, you're all obsessed with telling us that we're SO much more unhealthy than you and that we're always wrong and all the crap you've been spouting in this thread. Unless you've been overweight and overcome it, don't go trying to tell people who are overweight what to do, please and thanks.

I know that being on either side of what should be average is hard. I've known really skinny people who couldn't gain weight, and I've known large people who couldn't lose it. I recommend only telling people on your side of the line what to do, and only if you've overcome it. If you can't do it, it's best to keep your trap shut to avoid coming across as a hypocrite.

I used to be fat, now I'm not, so I've been there. Am I allowed to get all preachy and piss all you fatasses off now? Pleeeease?

I used to be fat, now I'm not, so I've been there. Am I allowed to get all preachy and piss all you fatasses off now? Pleeeease?
How much weight did you lose, and how?

How much weight did you lose, and how?

About this time last year I was 224 pounds, now I'm 165 and rather more muscular. And how did I do it? Simple really, diet and exercise, diet and exercise.

I used to be fat, now I'm not, so I've been there. Am I allowed to get all preachy and piss all you fatasses off now? Pleeeease?

We're too lazy to get pissed off over that. Knock yourself out (we're too lazy to do that, too)

Yes, I am at work, and I'm about to take my morning break. I do walk around the parking lot on my breaks, and I'm sure it does help my overall health. But it doesn't seem to help my weight any.

You are adjusted to the walk so it is not giving you enough of an elevation.

Do sit-ups in your chair, and the squats--I have been a desk jockey and put pounds on rapidly whne i did until I started turing every chance to move into an excercise once you get past feeling stupid being caught doing five quick push-ups behind your desk you will find others in your office will start doing it to.

We would walk, and someone would suddenly drop and do a number of push-ups and everyone else would follow suit....we ll not everyone...but a large number of people.

Took about a week and everyone was walking around doing all kinds of exercises.

You are adjusted to the walk so it is not giving you enough of an elevation.

Do sit-ups in your chair, and the squats--I have been a desk jockey and put pounds on rapidly whne i did until I started turing every chance to move into an excercise once you get past feeling stupid being caught doing five quick push-ups behind your desk you will find others in your office will start doing it to.

We would walk, and someone would suddenly drop and do a number of push-ups and everyone else would follow suit....we ll not everyone...but a large number of people.

Took about a week and everyone was walking around doing all kinds of exercises.

I'll keep that in mind. It will feel strange, especially since I'm in a fairly public cube, and I'm not sure how much of that I'll do.

But, I did notice something interesting on my walk around the lot this time. The temperature has dropped about 20 degrees (F) from yesterday, and I walked quite a bit faster than usual to get out of the cold. I felt like I got more of a workout than usual.

Perhaps a more humane solution would be to put them on treadmills until they reach a satisfactory weight or level of physical attractiveness.Why should they care about whether or not you find them physically attractive?

I'm sick of the whole "big is beautiful" campaign. Fat is ugly, fat is unhealthy, and fat people are too damn proud of being fat. I, personally, am trying to lose weight so I can be slim, attractive, and healthy. Not to "hate" on fat people, I just happen to think that the media has this one right: fat is gross. People with a little extra weight can be just fine, but this gigantic movement towards "fat tolerance" is just absurd. Lose some weight already, for pete's sake. You'll definitely think you look better, no matter what self-indulgent BS you opportunistically cling to while you're fat.It is true that being fat is unhealthy, but at the same time it's only moderately true that being skinny is more attractive. Yes, our society as a whole values skinniness, but a few hundred years ago it was the reverse. Hell, 50 years ago, women were typically curvier than they are now. Therefore, if fat was seen as an attractive quality, then it stands to reason that it could be seen that way again if people aren't told that they're not supposed to be attracted to fat people.

I don't hate fat people. I just don't want to have sex with fat chicks. :)

Why should they care about whether or not you find them physically attractive?

It is true that being fat is unhealthy, but at the same time it's only moderately true that being skinny is more attractive. Yes, our society as a whole values skinniness, but a few hundred years ago it was the reverse. Hell, 50 years ago, women were typically curvier than they are now. Therefore, if fat was seen as an attractive quality, then it stands to reason that it could be seen that way again if people aren't told that they're not supposed to be attracted to fat people.
There's bigger than a model and there's fat. Those are two different things. I girl who's a 5' 7" and a buck twenty or thirty is entirely different than a girl who's 5' 7" and 2 dollars and 30 cents. Same with a guy. Humpty Dumpty fat has never been seen as attractive by most. Probably because sexual attraction is keyed in on health. We tend to find physical indicators of health to be attractive. Muscels in men and flat stomachs/healthy legs in women, for example.

LOL, fat people trying to say that its not there fault and its genetics, then why in many countries are most people healthy and a reasonable weight. But here in America its a disease that seems to be contagious, generation to generation this fat "VIRUS" is growing I should run for the hills before I get infected and my ass triples in size. Seriously how many of you, that are fat, excercise regularly? eat right? And how many of you eat all the time and dont do anything physical other than walk to your kitchen?????? Fat people are fat because they choose to be.




**********DONT EVER SAY FAT PEOPLE ARE JUST AS ATTRACTIVE AS SKINNY PEOPLE....WHO WANTS TO SEE ROLLS? WANT WE REALLY WANT ARE NICE LEGS TIGHT ASS AND AN OVERALL NICE LOOKING BODY****************

That of course is only my opinion. Anyone care to post theres?

**********DONT EVER SAY FAT PEOPLE ARE JUST AS ATTRACTIVE AS SKINNY PEOPLE....WHO WANTS TO SEE ROLLS? WANT WE REALLY WANT ARE NICE LEGS TIGHT ASS AND AN OVERALL NICE LOOKING BODY****************

That of course is only my opinion. Anyone care to post theres?

Yupp, I'd like to post mine. I find skinny people incredibly unattractive.
I don't care for massively overweigt people either, but I like a bit of fat to touch, a warm soft body, and a few rolls in strategic places.


Beauty lies entirely in the eyes of the beholder. But I'm guessing your next move will be to call me sick and perverted...

I'll keep that in mind. It will feel strange, especially since I'm in a fairly public cube, and I'm not sure how much of that I'll do.

But, I did notice something interesting on my walk around the lot this time. The temperature has dropped about 20 degrees (F) from yesterday, and I walked quite a bit faster than usual to get out of the cold. I felt like I got more of a workout than usual.You did. When doctors say you should get an hour of excersise everyday they're not just talking about a stroll around the park. Specifically you need to get your heart rate up to about 140. That's the definition of 'excersise' they're using. You walked faster, your heart rate went up. Try walking at that rate everytime, you'll get more results from those walks.

Seriously how many of you, that are fat, excercise regularly? eat right? And how many of you eat all the time and dont do anything physical other than walk to your kitchen?????? Fat people are fat because they choose to be.

Me, actually. I commute to and from work by bicycle three times a week (total of 15 km per day), play volleyball for 2 hours a week, lift weights, take stairs instead of elevators, and generally walk places instead of hopping into the car if I can. I eat healthy foods, enjoy fruits and vegetables, watch my portions and all that jazz and yes, I'm fat.

I have found in the past that to lose weight, I need to cut my calorie consumption to less than 1200 per day, workout on weights for 2 hours and intensely cycle for an hour AT LEAST 6 DAYS PER WEEK. Well, cutting back on the food that much makes me literally stupid - I become very forgetful and find it hard to think. Not to mention that I just don't have the time to work out for 3 hours per day anymore. So now I just concentrate on gaining weight a little more slowly.

And frankly, Dathe the Little Man, it would be difficult for me to care whether you think I'm sexy, as it has become abundantly clear that I wouldn't find you attractive at all.

There's bigger than a model and there's fat. Those are two different things. I girl who's a 5' 7" and a buck twenty or thirty is entirely different than a girl who's 5' 7" and 2 dollars and 30 cents. Same with a guy. Humpty Dumpty fat has never been seen as attractive by most. Probably because sexual attraction is keyed in on health. We tend to find physical indicators of health to be attractive. Muscels in men and flat stomachs/healthy legs in women, for example.Well, there's the theory that physical attraction is keyed into economic well being. It used to be that in order to be overweight, you had to be rich. Nowadays, the cheapest food is usually the most fattening, so in order to be skinny, you probably have to be well off, financially. Body type is, as was always, a status symbol.

Specifically you need to get your heart rate up to about 140. That's the definition of 'excersise' they're using.
It varies from person to person, based on your resting heart rate. Mine is up around 170-190, because my resting heart rate is insane (100-120, depending on the time of day). 140 is probably just the average.

It varies from person to person, based on your resting heart rate. Mine is up around 170-190, because my resting heart rate is insane (100-120, depending on the time of day). 140 is probably just the average.

Edit to remove my opening paragraph. It's none of my business.

Anyway, you're right. Your 'working' heart rate depends upon what your resting heart rate is AND your age. Here's a good chart:

http://www.jackis.com/Heart_Rates.htm#WHR%20Chart