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okay, up til now my drinking too much has never really affected anyone close to me apart from locking myself in the toilet or puking in inappropriate places or people having to look after me or watch out for me when i do something stupid. but now i've seriously let my sister down. it was her 18th on sunday and i was supposed to be going home for a few days today to see her. but last night i went out with some friends from work to celebrate finishing my first exam and to see one of my friends off who's leaving the uk for ireland. i had the intention of going out getting fairly pissed then staying up til i had to go to the airport early this morning. i thought this would be fine cuz i work nights anyway so it's pretty normal for me to still be awake at 8-9am. but i got really wasted and passed out on the sofa and woke up at mid-day so i missed my flight. after 11 pints and feeling still fairly sobre i thought i was invincible and kept drinking but two more pints must have tipped me over the edge cuz i don't even remember drinking the 13th.

so, who thinks i'm a moron who doesn't deserve a sister? would doing something like this make you want to stop drinking?

You're not a moron who doesn't deserve a sister, but you should stop drinking anyway.

With that said, is it possible to change your flight and fly later? Here it could be, but perhaps not there.

Don't drink. Alcohol is a poor choice of drug.

I'd say drink responsibly, but that would make me a fucking hypocrite.
Instead, I'll just say this: get to your sister on the nearest opportunity, and make it up to her.

i've managed to get on a flight tomorrow morning (had to get my mum to pay for it cuz i can't afford it) but i still feel like a moron.

Well, that you feel bad about it means you're not really a moron, a moron would say "I don't care after all" ;) Everyone do stupid things like that one day or another in their lives, as long as you try to fix things and prevent from occuring again, it's "normal".

But yes, you should stop drinking, IMHO. You don't need alcohol to have fun, it's just a drug that destroys you while giving you a false impression of happiness. Or if you drink, at least, be careful of not getting drunk when you've something planned...

Anyway, good luck for fixing things with your sister. Is she mad at you, or does she accept your apologizes ?

Youre a "moron who doesnt deserve a sister", but dont blame it on the drinking.

You don't need alcohol to have fun,

You know, everyone says this, but when they go to a party where they should have fun, they end up sitting around bored and leaving. So whatever.

Don't drink. Alcohol is a poor choice of drug.
i agree.

if you're going to do drugs, there are far more fun ones out there (though the best are, of course "illegal"... but thats not to say alcohol shouldn't be either... but thats a whole different issue, heh)


edit: the sensible thing to do is to learn from your mistakes

Anyway, good luck for fixing things with your sister. Is she mad at you, or does she accept your apologizes ?

she's being totally understanding which is very kind of her. she's missed a flight herself but it wasn't really her fault when she did it.

i agree.

if you're going to do drugs, there are far more fun ones out there (though the best are, of course "illegal"... but thats not to say alcohol shouldn't be either... but thats a whole different issue, heh)
Alcohol is the best.
And anyways, it's dumb as hell to suggest prohibition. If you don't remeber what happened last time, the mob took over most of America's major cities.

You know, everyone says this, but when they go to a party where they should have fun, they end up sitting around bored and leaving. So whatever.

Drinking at a party is drinking. I don't see any difference between drinking a soda and drinking a beer or hard liquor, aside from the alcahol content.

You know, everyone says this, but when they go to a party where they should have fun, they end up sitting around bored and leaving. So whatever.Could it be that those types of parties are boring?

Could it be that those types of parties are boring?

That would be my guess.

Drink more slowly. If you're not feeling drunk after 11 pints you're drinking too fast and by the time the alcohol catches up to you it's too late to stop drinking. You're already going to be trashed. Try drinking more slowly and see if that helps to moderate your alcohol intake. BTW, you need to appologize to your sister profusely and make it up to her somehow, but it's not the end of the world. Learn from your mistakes.

Could it be that those types of parties are boring?

Everyone else is having fun so I guess it depends on what your definition of boring is.

If you can sit there and honestly tell me that the feeling you get from being drunk doesnt make things more fun, youre an elitist prick.

You dont have to stop drinking, just drink less. Or only drink a lot if you dont have anything important on the next day.

Everyone else is having fun so I guess it depends on what your definition of boring is.

They must be pretty fucking shallow if they have to drink alcahol to have fun.

Everyone else is having fun so I guess it depends on what your definition of boring is.<shrug> I suppose. I mean, there are people who get stoned and stare at their lava lamps, but I think a lava lamp staring party would be boring.

They must be pretty fucking shallow if they have to drink alcahol to have fun.

You must be pretty elite to think being drunk doesnt make things more fun.

<shrug> I suppose. I mean, there are people who get stoned and stare at their lava lamps, but I think a lava lamp staring party would be boring.

Not if youre high.

...Is anyone seeing my point yet?

You know, everyone says this, but when they go to a party where they should have fun, they end up sitting around bored and leaving. So whatever.

That means the party wasn't fun ;) Change the kind of parties, and you'll see you don't need alcohol.

You must be pretty elite to think being drunk doesnt make things more fun.

I like being sharp and clear-headed, thanks. Not to say that a drink now and then wouldn't hurt, but still.

And anyways, it's dumb as hell to suggest prohibition. If you don't remeber what happened last time, the mob took over most of America's major cities.

I don't think anyone on this thread suggested prohibition. Advising people to not drink is not the same than forbiding them to drink. I strongly support the first and strongly oppose the second (expect of course when it directly threatens others, I do support the laws forbiding to drive after drinking, for example, but that's not prohibition).

Drink more slowly. If you're not feeling drunk after 11 pints you're drinking too fast and by the time the alcohol catches up to you it's too late to stop drinking. You're already going to be trashed. Try drinking more slowly and see if that helps to moderate your alcohol intake. BTW, you need to appologize to your sister profusely and make it up to her somehow, but it's not the end of the world. Learn from your mistakes.

well i started drinking at 9 and the 11th was at about 1am so i wasn't drinking too fast. i think it's because i'd had a big dinner with lots of cheese so that would have soaked up most of the alcohol for a while and then when i started to digest it the alcohol started entering my bloodstream a bit later. but i do drink too quickly usually, i generally drink about 1 and a half pints for everyone elses 1.

Not if youre high.

...Is anyone seeing my point yet?No, unless you're saying that people shouldn't go to drinking parties if they don't plan on drinking.

No, unless you're saying that people shouldn't go to drinking parties if they don't plan on drinking.

No I'm saying staring at a lava lamp may not seem fun, but its certainly interesting after abusing a few substances. So people saying you dont need drugs or alcohol to have fun is stupid, because you kinda do sometimes.

No I'm saying staring at a lava lamp may not seem fun, but its certainly interesting after abusing a few substances. So people saying you dont need drugs or alcohol to have fun is stupid, because you kinda do sometimes.

Yeah, if you're looking to have fun by doing idiotic shit that wasn't fun in the first place.

Yeah, if you're looking to have fun by doing idiotic shit that wasn't fun in the first place.

OK, have fun doing the same shit you always do, I will look elsewhere. Go play golf or something.

Actually I'm sure even I would enjoy golf if I was wasted.

Alcohol is the best.
And anyways, it's dumb as hell to suggest prohibition. If you don't remeber what happened last time, the mob took over most of America's major cities.
alcohol sucks imho - in terms of personal experience. i do not find it in any way fun, enjoyable, or indeed that it has any point at all.
however the alternative would be to legalise everything - my point was its just as bad for you as other drugs, but those other drugs are far more entertaining. i wouldn't drink again, but i sure would toke or pop E again.... didn't do me any good last time though so i restrain myself now, heh. i'm actually something of a teetotaler now :eek: :p

Alcohol works like this: It isn't the alcohol in the drink that gets you drunk per say, it is the type of alcohol that is produced when what you drank breaks down. This is why people get drunker as time goes on, even if more alcohol isn't added. Sure, not all of it is absorbed into the bloodstream at first, but the alcohol that is produced is much more effective/toxic. Moral of the story: don't drink quite as much, just enough to feel comfortable. You still get to have fun, and you don't end up meeting the floor. (Thats why I stay with 6-7 shots o vodka, no hangover the next morning and I get the nice effect).

OK, have fun doing the same shit you always do, I will look elsewhere. Go play golf or something.

Actually I'm sure even I would enjoy golf if I was wasted.

You don't need alcahol to enjoy listening to music, learning and writing (sometimes speaking) Japanese, riding a bike, running, or posting on forums. Well, at least I don't, but then I'm not weak-minded.

And I fucking hate golf.

OK, have fun doing the same shit you always do, I will look elsewhere. Go play golf or something.

Actually I'm sure even I would enjoy golf if I was wasted.

I'm not sure you even imagine how many interesting, funny and/or pleasant things you can do, both alone and with friends, with a clear mind. And so many of them are so much better than the false pleasure created by alcohol, and without any drawbacks.

I'm not sure you even imagine how many interesting, funny and/or pleasant things you can do, both alone and with friends, with a clear mind. And so many of them are so much better than the false pleasure created by alcohol, and without any drawbacks.

It's nice to see that someone else holds the same view in this regard.

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Per se. Se.

As for the OP, never say never. You'll drink again, just as everyone who says "I'll never drink again" after a rough night drinking does. Just try to remember to drink responsibly when you do.

Oh, and it's alcohol. Alcohol. Just for the sake of being pedantic.

I'm not sure you even imagine how many interesting, funny and/or pleasant things you can do, both alone and with friends, with a clear mind. And so many of them are so much better than the false pleasure created by alcohol, and without any drawbacks.

Thousands of students would disagree with you.

Yeah, but anyway, my point is that why get on your high horse about drinking in particular. Yes, there are many good things you can do while sober, but getting drunk can also be fun so I dont see your point.

I'm not sure you even imagine how many interesting, funny and/or pleasant things you can do, both alone and with friends, with a clear mind. And so many of them are so much better than the false pleasure created by alcohol, and without any drawbacks.
1) Drugs such as alcohol don't produce "false pleasure". The produce the same kind of pleasure as anything else. Stimulation of the pleasure centers of the brain results from using substances or laughing with friends.

2) Yep. Sober activities can be fun, but under the right conditions that fun can be enhanced with alcohol or other substances.

3) There are drawbacks to alcohol use, just as there are risks and drawbacks to anything. Playing sports is fun, but you can sustain crippling injuries, for example. Alcohol is no different. It's fun, but you risk getting sick if you don't use it in moderation.

You don't need alcahol to enjoy listening to music, learning and writing (sometimes speaking) Japanese, riding a bike, running, or posting on forums.

BUT ITS A HELL OF A LOT MORE FUN WHEN YOU ARE DRUNK.

Well, at least I don't, but then I'm not weak-minded.

Oh youre just soooo cool and smart.

You know what? I'd rather find happiness, find meaning, and have fun from doing something as little as watching a lava lamp than be a person who calls everyone else "weak-minded".

You still get to have fun
that is highly subjective.

just like dancing... the people who enjoy dancing are always like "come on, come dance with us... its fun!" and they rarely comprehend that for those who do not enjoy dancing, it is not, in fact, fun. no matter how much they claim it is (for them) or insist the non-dancers come and dance or 'lighten up' or whatever, dancing still holds no enjoyment for those people.

much the same with drinking. if its not fun or doesn't produce anything worthwhile for you, don't do it.
sorry, i seem to be all abrasive this afternoon.

but it works in reverse too... those who do not think it fun or think drinking is pointless need not berate those who do. everything is subjective...


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everything is subjective...



Have you turned into a postmodernist?

I'm serious this time!

NO MORE WATER!

so, who thinks i'm a moron who doesn't deserve a sister? would doing something like this make you want to stop drinking?

Bah!

Do what I do: Make all friends and family sign a waiver. Mine states very simply "Keruvalia will not be held accountable for anything he says or does while drinking."

It's a simple legal form available from any office supply mega-mart.

Have you turned into a postmodernist?
i think i'm turning into someone who doesn't give a damn :p

i agree.

if you're going to do drugs, there are far more fun ones out there (though the best are, of course "illegal"... but thats not to say alcohol shouldn't be either... but thats a whole different issue, heh)

And I disagree. I enjoy getting drunk more than any other drug, and knowing a few people who started using X a few years ago and seeing what they're like now, I think i'll avoid that shit.

Yeah, weed can be good fun, but alcohol is the social drug. Plus it's pretty hard to find weed around here at the moment.



BUT ITS A HELL OF A LOT MORE FUN WHEN YOU ARE DRUNK.

In a lot of cases, yeah. Drunken moshing to a cover band in a dingy bar > sitting at home listening to music.

okay, up til now my drinking too much has never really affected anyone close to me apart from locking myself in the toilet or puking in inappropriate places or people having to look after me or watch out for me when i do something stupid. but now i've seriously let my sister down. it was her 18th on sunday and i was supposed to be going home for a few days today to see her. but last night i went out with some friends from work to celebrate finishing my first exam and to see one of my friends off who's leaving the uk for ireland. i had the intention of going out getting fairly pissed then staying up til i had to go to the airport early this morning. i thought this would be fine cuz i work nights anyway so it's pretty normal for me to still be awake at 8-9am. but i got really wasted and passed out on the sofa and woke up at mid-day so i missed my flight. after 11 pints and feeling still fairly sobre i thought i was invincible and kept drinking but two more pints must have tipped me over the edge cuz i don't even remember drinking the 13th.

so, who thinks i'm a moron who doesn't deserve a sister? would doing something like this make you want to stop drinking?


Thius combined with this recent thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=480529) suggest you want to quit. Make of it what you will...

Thius combined with this recent thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=480529) suggest you want to quit. Make of it what you will...

hmm, i don't think i really want to quit. i'd just like to somehow get over my inability to drink in moderation.

hmm, i don't think i really want to quit. i'd just like to somehow get over my inability to drink in moderation.

What I do, so I don't get carried away on a night out, is only carry a certain amount of cash and then switch to more expensive mixed drinks halfway through. You get a little less alcohol for your dollar, but that just means that you'll slow down the pace a little.

hmm, i don't think i really want to quit. i'd just like to somehow get over my inability to drink in moderation.

I don't see how people can actually physically fit 13 pints of liquid in their bodies. No matter how I measure it up it just doesn't seem to work. I just go with a few of shots of whiskey or something similar. After that I'm sufficiently 'lubricated' for the rest of the evening, without forgetting things, needing to waste inordinate amounts of time taking a pee all evening, or puking up afterwards. And if you drink a large bottle of water before you go to bed, that seems to be sufficient to prevent a hangover, for me anyway.

What I do, so I don't get carried away on a night out, is only carry a certain amount of cash and then switch to more expensive mixed drinks halfway through. You get a little less alcohol for your dollar, but that just means that you'll slow down the pace a little.

yeh that's a good idea. i should also go out without my debit card. i ran out of cash last night so i used my card to get cash-back. i'm now overdrawn - doh!

What I do, so I don't get carried away on a night out, is only carry a certain amount of cash and then switch to more expensive mixed drinks halfway through. You get a little less alcohol for your dollar, but that just means that you'll slow down the pace a little.

Thats a good Idea, just keep your bank card at home so your not stagering to the hole-in-the-wall.

I don't see how people can actually physically fit 13 pints of liquid in their bodies. No matter how I measure it up it just doesn't seem to work.

well you have to pee a lot. and liquid doesn't stay in your stomach very long. i have had a night out where i had to puke because my stomach was literally full. we were doing drinking games and i kept loosing so i had to down lots of drinks in quick succession. i know it was cuz my belly was full cuz i wasn't even drunk at that point and when i pressed my stomach not long before puking it felt absolutely solid and i wasn't even tensing.

well you have to pee a lot. and liquid doesn't stay in your stomach very long. i have had a night out where i had to puke because my stomach was literally full. we were doing drinking games and i kept loosing so i had to down lots of drinks in quick succession. i know it was cuz my belly was full cuz i wasn't even drunk at that point and when i pressed my stomach not long before puking it felt absolutely solid and i wasn't even tensing.

You see, the puking thing alone would be more than enough to stop me from drinking too much... and I'd prefer to use my drunken time to have fun, not to stand in a bathroom peeing for most of the night!

yeh, having to pee is annoying, but you don't have to spend very long doing it.

yeh, having to pee is annoying, but you don't have to spend very long doing it.Washing your hands afterwards and drying them off takes time, especially with those atrocious electric hand dryers.

hmm, i don't think i really want to quit. i'd just like to somehow get over my inability to drink in moderation.

That might mean having to quit altogether. It sucks I know, but the alternative may be worse... :(

hmm, i don't think i really want to quit. i'd just like to somehow get over my inability to drink in moderation.

I had a similar problem when I was stationed in Germany with the Army. However, my problem was kinda solved for me as my First Sergeant told me that if I ever did it again he'd break my neck. And judging from the look on his face he was quite prepared to do it.

That might mean having to quit altogether. It sucks I know, but the alternative may be worse... :(

i have too much fun with alcohol to quit altogether.

I had a similar problem when I was stationed in Germany with the Army. However, my problem was kinda solved for me as my First Sergeant told me that if I ever did it again he'd break my neck. And judging from the look on his face he was quite prepared to do it.
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heh, i'd rather not have someone threaten me!

yeh that's a good idea. i should also go out without my debit card. i ran out of cash last night so i used my card to get cash-back. i'm now overdrawn - doh!

Thats a good Idea, just keep your bank card at home so your not stagering to the hole-in-the-wall.

Yep. I take mine with me anyway (which matters little, 'cause i'm always broke :p), but if you can't control yourself, that would be best. If you need to catch a taxi home, give a trusted friend that money for safekeeping...or better yet, arrange a driver.

i have too much fun with alcohol to quit altogether.

No skin off my nose. But two threads on the subject in such close proximity might be worthy of at least a pause...

yeh, you've got a point there. i'm definitely going to cut down on my alcohol consumption at the very least.

yeh, you've got a point there. i'm definitely going to cut down on my alcohol consumption at the very least.

One hard drinker to another, sounds like a good idea. ;)

BUT ITS A HELL OF A LOT MORE FUN WHEN YOU ARE DRUNK.



Oh youre just soooo cool and smart.

You know what? I'd rather find happiness, find meaning, and have fun from doing something as little as watching a lava lamp than be a person who calls everyone else "weak-minded".

1: I seriously doubt that.

2: I am.

3: No, I was just calling you weak-minded. And, judging by your post, I was quite correct in thinking so.

1: I seriously doubt that.

2: I am.

3: No, I was just calling you weak-minded. And, judging by your post, I was quite correct in thinking so.

1. Guaranteed ;)

No I mean it. Reason that I see people (including me) doing alcohol and weed is more fun. Not that one could not achieve fun anyway. We can have fun playing football with friends, going to cinema, great music, books and party. But if and when you go to party, if you know what alcohol is, you know it could be more fun with it. You can still laugh, dance and so on without alcohol, but with it is more fun. Just like that. Same as weed. It is just quite natural wish to increase the fun. Asko for more ;)

P.S. Please explain why this Kazi is weak minded. I did not see. One's own judgement of drinking is not reason for weak-mindendness whatever the result of decison is.

1. Guaranteed ;)

No I mean it. Reason that I see people (including me) doing alcohol and weed is more fun. Not that one could not achieve fun anyway. We can have fun playing football with friends, going to cinema, great music, books and party. But if and when you go to party, if you know what alcohol is, you know it could be more fun with it. You can still laugh, dance and so on without alcohol, but with it is more fun. Just like that. Same as weed. It is just quite natural wish to increase the fun. Asko for more ;)

Yeah, I agree. Drinking is a social activity, and is fun. I don't understand the problem people have with that.

Yeah, I agree. Drinking is a social activity, and is fun. I don't understand the problem people have with that.
Some people don't think the consequences of alcohol are worth the false sense of fun that it induces. The way I see it, for example, if it alters your brain via use of chemicals, unless it's prescribed to treat a serious illness, it's probably not worth it.

... you got drunk.. and missed a plane..

I was expecting an "I had sex with a goat then killed granma" story.. but.. you missed a plane.. :rolleyes: