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The title is self-explanatory. I need advice in this area. Two reasons: ignorance of the subject; and lack of a backbone.

So, any advice would be deeply appreciated.

be nice, talk to her, get to know her before you ask her out

NEVER yell "WOOMAN! BEER! @ FRIDGE! NOW!". NEVER. Yell that.

Make sure you ask if she's a cop first.

be polite, don't force an answer out of her, be nonchalant about it

Don't reveal how much of a control freak you are until you're sure the relationship is solidly underway. Then you can really play hell with her emotions.

Er, I might not be the best person to answer this kind of question.... /hides under a rock/

Make sure you ask if she's a cop first.
It's illegal to ask women out where you live?

you should try to figure out if she likes you... or at least that you don't make her physically ill. Then ask her to go somewhere fun and nonthreatening with you. ;)

tell her you like her shoes...

walk up to her and be like "hey, wanna catch a movie sometime?"

My advice: don't ask her out, get her to ask you out. Never ask a woman on a date. Just be confident in yourself. Ask her if she'd like to get a cup of tea/coffee and have a nice chat. You probably have nothing to worry about, most things guys are insecure about are just in their head. Myself, I used David Deangelo's books as a source of inspiration, and it works! Just feel confident, don't be afraid to bust on a girl (that alone seperates you as being a good, confident guy), and don't worry about rejection!

Oh, and make it seem like it's her loss if she doesn't come with you. Even if she says no, who doesn't like coffee/tea? Got me more actual dates than I could handle, and got me a good, stable girlfriend.

NEVER yell "WOOMAN! BEER! @ FRIDGE! NOW!". NEVER. Yell that.

Well I wonder what crazy kind of ladies you hang around, 'cos I know I'd totally go out with you if you shouted that to me. ;)

Oh, and:

Make sure you ask if she's a cop first.

It's illegal to ask women out where you live?
I'm thinking he meant online....

Yeah, rejection doesn't mean the end of the world

"Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

"Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

Hahahaha! :D

peck on the cheek followed by blushing its so sweet and doesn’t involve words :fluffle: (preferably done when your alone watching a sunset and such)

be polite, but not sickingly so. talk about her, but not overly so. whatever she says, sound interested, but not absolutly thrilled to death. be funny and charming, but dont turn everything she says into an annoying joke. if she is at work or school, then after talking to her plesantly, try talking to her again sometime and casually asking her. dont make it seem like you couldnt care less what she says, but dont make it seem like you've been rehersing for weeks.

its even better to casually talk about the things/places she enjoys before hand. if you share some common interest with her, then invite her to some place you know she'll like anyway.

for instance, say she enjoys chinese food. even if you dont much care for it, agree with her and tell her you havent had it in way to long. then ask a place she enjoys, then casually say you'd love to go with her some time.

just remember that, and follow it your own unique way. be charming.

you should try to figure out if she likes you... or at least that you don't make her physically ill. Then ask her to go somewhere fun and nonthreatening with you. ;)

She probably does get physically ill. Hell, you would, too, if you saw my picture! :D

Be out-going. Try to find similar interests.

peck on the cheek followed by blushing its so sweet and doesn’t involve words :fluffle: (preferably done when your alone watching a sunset and such)

but what if he asks out a complete stranger???

She probably does get physically ill. Hell, you would, too, if you saw my picture! :D
I didn't get physically ill... but I'm mentally scarred for life now. And it's all your fault. :p

If you think you're ugly, try changing your hairstyle, work-out, etc.

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You're very welcome.
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tell her you like her shoes...

thats good too. i've gone to long, drawn out conversations about articles of clothing (mostly coats, iunno why). after awhile, work in that you were thinking about buying something like that for your sister, so to make it seem you're not just looking for a cheap excuse to talk. tell her you like it, or that it looks good on her. but dont overdo it, obviously. "wow, you look totally hot in that" might put her off a tad.

confidence is key. not conceitedness and such.

Poke light fun at a stranger (the better looking she is, the more likely she will bite). If she's wearing a skirt, call it a parachute. I can almost guarantee she'll laugh. I think the phrase of the day is "cocky and funny." this seperates you, makes you appear confident, shows you have a good sense of humor, AND helps make her attracted to you. Looks aren't everything; I see way too many fat/ugly guys who don't have money going out with girls that should be way out of their league. Go for a girl you like, not one you are "settling" for, since neither of you will be truly happy if you end up in a relationship.

basically what everyone else said, but say "then it's a date" when/if she says yes so that she knows you are not gay (for example shoes are a good thing to comment on, but if you're nervous and most of what you end up saying revolves around them she might get your signles crossed...as she also can if you emphasize tea and 'chatting').

The title is self-explanatory. I need advice in this area. Two reasons: ignorance of the subject; and lack of a backbone.

So, any advice would be deeply appreciated.

The three second rule helps alot.

Basicly, when you see a girl you think you may want to ask out approach her in under three seconds. This approach can be used for idle chatter, not just for dating. (You better be good with idle conversation) After you with her abit you could probably venture the question.

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Done. Sorry, as you can probably tell I don't hang out around here that often.

Make sure you ask if she's a cop first.



It's illegal to ask women out where you live?

I'm thinking he meant online....

No. Neither of you got that. Wow. I hope someone did.

No. Neither of you got that. Wow. I hope someone did.

If there is a TV camera across the street... just walk away. you don't want to end up on Fox at 8:00 on Friday Night.

No. Neither of you got that. Wow. I hope someone did.

then you ask how much.

at least i thought it was funny. +10 points for you.

you need to give a little more info

how old are you? how old is she? where do you know her from? does she know you exist? have you ever spoken to her? is she in your league?

if you are thinking of asking the newly named senior prom queen to your freshman computer programmers ball and this will be the first time you have even spoken to her, forget it. she has a reputation to protect

if you are wanting to ask your chemistry lab partner to see "silent hill" because you have both played the game together for hours. all you have to do is say "wanna go see silent hill together, my treat?"

No. Neither of you got that. Wow. I hope someone did.
Must be a <Country you come from> thing.

No. Neither of you got that. Wow. I hope someone did.

Was it a reference to prostitution?

Anyway, confidence is the key If you know one of her friends, getting her to run interference on any bystander friends is handy.

I know precious little about her. She works in the computer lab at my college, where I am now.

Ask her if her clothes make good carpet. When she shrugs or says she doesn't know, or acts confused, ask if she'd like to find out.

I know it sounds sleazy, but it could work in one of two ways. Either you'll get laid (I'm not presupposing that's your sole intention, but it probably wouldn't be a bad result) Or she'll think you're really fun, cute and goofy, which is also good.

Or you'll get a slap. You might be into that.

No. Neither of you got that. Wow. I hope someone did.

Yup. In fact, it's one of the greatest compliments you can pay a girl, so go for it.

Whatever you do, don't ask her on a date that consists of playing your female elf character in a D&D game with your friends. ;)

is she in your league?

Leagues are all in your head. never, ever get hung up on the "oh shit, she's out of my league" train. Ever. It could cost you the best thing to ever happen to you (it nearly did to me)

Whatever you do, don't ask her on a date that consists of playing your female elf character in a D&D game with your friends. ;)

And definitely don't ask her to play your male half-orc fighter.

No. Neither of you got that. Wow. I hope someone did.

I'm thinking you don't want to get busted for prostitution, sexual harassment, etc.

Agreed, no girl is out of any guys league. A guy just has to be confident in himself, act like its no loss if she doesn't want to do something with him, and, above all, give absolutely no power over to the woman. Unless you want to be like silverman.

Was it a reference to prostitution?


Yes. Yeesh... :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'm glad someone brought this topic up. I may have eventually.

Anyway, I'm glad someone brought this topic up. I may have eventually.

What? You wanted to discuss prostitution? :p

No. Neither of you got that. Wow. I hope someone did. It doesn't have anything to do with Ana-Lucia, does it?:mp5:

Heron-Marked Warriors I'm a girl, and before the 'sleaze factor' as you call it registered, you sounded like you were comparing her to Chewbacca from Star Wars- and I'm not even a star wars fan, I know that line from when my last bf. made me watch it (the username's a Philip K. Dick refrence). You might wanna rethink comparing her to an 8-foot yetti, Magdha, if she works at a computer lab.

Agreed, no girl is out of any guys league. A guy just has to be confident in himself, act like its no loss if she doesn't want to do something with him, and, above all, give absolutely no power over to the woman. Unless you want to be like silverman.

(i don't know who that is, but...)

There's nothing wrong with handing over some power (although that expression in itself is wrong, since it implies that power always lies naturally with the man). Relationships always involve a degree of compromise, and if her deciding which type of restaurant we eat at, or what film we watch, means I get to decide if we're getting the handcuffs out or not tonight, then I'll gladly surrender the power.

What? You wanted to discuss prostitution? :p

Sure...;)

Heron-Marked Warriors I'm a girl, and before the 'sleaze factor' as you call it registered, you sounded like you were comparing her to Chewbacca from Star Wars- and I'm not even a star wars fan, I know that line from when my last bf. made me watch it (the username's a Philip K. Dick refrence).

LOL. I've never really watched Star Wars, so I didn't pick up on that. That's awesome, though.

You might wanna rethink comparing her to an 8-foot yetti, Magdha, if she works at a computer lab.

I concur.

It doesn't have anything to do with Ana-Lucia, does it?:mp5:


Sweet jeebus! :headbang:

LOL. I've never really watched Star Wars...



WHAT?!? INFIDEL!

Guys, don't hijack the thread, please.

Agreed, no girl is out of any guys league. A guy just has to be confident in himself, act like its no loss if she doesn't want to do something with him, and, above all, give absolutely no power over to the woman. Unless you want to be like silverman.
Fantasy land is wonderful, isn't it? :)

Yes. Yeesh... :rolleyes:
LOL, okay, I get it now. :rolleyes:

Guys, don't hijack the thread, please.

*holds a gun to Magdha's head* Take this thread to Cuba!

:p

Agreed, no girl is out of any guys league. A guy just has to be confident in himself, act like its no loss if she doesn't want to do something with him, and, above all, give absolutely no power over to the woman. Unless you want to be like silverman.
league or not, if she is happy with you writing up her lab reports but wont sit with you at lunch in the cafeteria, shes not going to accept a date with you.

it pays to be realistic. many girls, especially those in highschool, are very much into their public image and cant take the risk of being seen with a geek.

once youre out of highschool, that geekiness doesnt matter. it gets replaced with "does he drive a cool car" by those same very shallow girls. not that i think that a man should be bothered trying to date women like that, it cant possibly be worth it, but some men are drawn to the goregous-but-shallow women like moths to a flame.

WHAT?!? INFIDEL!

I've seen the original trilogy, but I've never sat down and watched any of the films straight through, paying full attention, and I haven't see any of Episodes I-III (or maybe I saw some of Phantom Menace). It's not that I think they're bad, just that I've never done it.

I've seen the original trilogy, but I've never sat down and watched any of the films straight through, paying full attention, and I haven't see any of Episodes I-III (or maybe I saw some of Phantom Menace). It's not that I think they're bad, just that I've never done it.

I oughta sit your ass down Clockwork Orange-style and make you watch 'em! :D

league or not, if she is happy with you writing up her lab reports but wont sit with you at lunch in the cafeteria, shes not going to accept a date with you.

it pays to be realistic. many girls, especially those in highschool, are very much into their public image and cant take the risk of being seen with a geek.

once youre out of college, that geekiness doesnt matter. it gets replaced with "does he drive a cool car" by those same very shallow girls. not that i think that a man should be bothered trying to date women like that, it cant possibly be worth it, but some men are drawn to the goregous-but-shallow women like moths to a flame.

Exactly, most men are actually looking for attractive, intelligent women. The problem with sucking up to a woman by doing lab reports is that it implies that you are willing to be submissive to her every whim, and thus she gets her "fix" easily. That is one of the reasons why women want a challenge: they can't get satisfaction right away.

Silverman was the protagonist from the movie "Saving Silverman," which I'm sure wikipedia has a write up on. I say power not because a woman has no power, but that the man is creating a power differential that goes against his best interests, unless he is a submissive. In that case, ignore what I said.

I seriously suggest looking into some of what David Deangelo has to say (yes, I know this reads like an advertisement, but trust me, it isn't), if only the free part. I had such a problem talking with women before I read his (cheap) e-book. Basically: be confident and (as my friend maciej says) "act like you don't want it, even if you do."

I oughta sit your ass down Clockwork Orange-style and make you watch 'em! :D

Sure. You have to find my house first, though. :p

walk up to her and be like "hey, wanna catch a movie sometime?"
I advise against going to the cinema on a first date, because you don't get to talk to her in a film.

Sure. You have to find my house first, though. :p

Cluichstan's CPESL (http://s11.invisionfree.com/Antarctic_Oasis/index.php?showtopic=21) servicewomen should be up to the task. ;)

Oh yea, coffe/tea. And don't pay for her drinks. I'm not going to get into the psychological aspect of it, but look at it in this light: If the object of your attraction turns out to be not-so-cool, why spend money to find that out (you aren't trying to buy her affection, and go so far as to belittle the "lesser men" who would try to do so)?

walk up to her and be like "hey, wanna make a movie sometime?"

Fixed. :cool:

Just ask her.

Walk up to her (preferably when not too many people are around) and ask if she wants to go see a movie, or play pool or whatever. The worst she can say is "Get away from me, you freak." but you'll never know until you try.

Well I wonder what crazy kind of ladies you hang around, 'cos I know I'd totally go out with you if you shouted that to me. ;)


I got it from a King Of The Hill episode.

Just ask her.

Walk up to her (preferably when not too many people are around) and ask if she wants to go see a movie, or play pool or whatever. The worst she can say is "Get away from me, you freak." but you'll never know until you try.

Actually, she could say a lot worse than that. :p

I advise against going to the cinema on a first date, because you don't get to talk to her in a film.

I guess you could, if the movie was awful because you could leave early. But I'd advise against it for a couple of reasons: 1. It's a waste of money. 2. It would make for an awful first date and if the first date was awful, she probably won't go on a second.

I seriously suggest looking into some of what David Deangelo has to say (yes, I know this reads like an advertisement, but trust me, it isn't), if only the free part. I had such a problem talking with women before I read his (cheap) e-book. Basically: be confident and (as my friend maciej says) "act like you don't want it, even if you do."

excellent advice for many situations. pretending or acting like you are what you want to be can make all the difference between success and failure. (many successful people have a terrible feeling of being frauds because they have success when they inside they feel incompetent at what they do)

pretending to have self respect will keep you from doing that girls lab reports even if you are dying to do anything she asks just so you can be near her.

pretending to be outgoing will make the next party you go to much more fun.

pretending to know what you are doing might well get you a promotion at work.

and pretending to have self confidence can make talking to that oh-so-attractive girl much easier.

success builds self confidence which leads to the day you realize you are no longer pretending.

there is no need to let everyone know that you are a mass of insecurity just because its "the truth".

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Actually, she could say a lot worse than that. :p
If she's bitchy enough to be so rude when turning down a polite request (this is of course assuming he asks her nicely to see a movie or something) then he's better off not pining over her anyways.


Chances are if she's not interested, she'll just say no and at least he'll know where he stands with her rather than sitting there wondering "what if...?"

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Holy yummy!

excellent advice for many situations. pretending or acting like you are what you want to be can make all the difference between success and failure. (many successful people have a terrible feeling of being frauds because they have success when they inside they feel incompetent at what they do)

pretending to have self respect will keep you from doing that girls lab reports even if you are dying to do anything she asks just so you can be near her.

pretending to be outgoing will make the next party you go to much more fun.

pretending to know what you are doing might well get you a promotion at work.

and pretending to have self confidence can make talking to that oh-so-attractive girl much easier.

success builds self confidence which leads to the day you realize you are no longer pretending.

there is no need to let everyone know that you are a mass of insecurity just because its "the truth".

I'll be honest: i can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. But eventually you will learn to work past your insecurities, and it will no longer be "a lie." No sense in being abused needlessly afterall. I think it's called "self improvement," and most guys need it. I sure as hell did. Everyone is afraid of something, it just takes effort to get passed that fear.

Still, just ask her for a drink. Learn to know her and be yourself -but pay attention to shared interests, nobody wants to get bored by obsessive talk about for example guitar solos:p - . Of course she can hurt you really bad, but then again she'll prove to you she isn't worth it. If she's nice, she'll stay nice, even in holding you off.
Just do it. It'll pay off in time.

O yeah. And don't learn some stupid guidelines by "heart" from so-called gurus. It should be an effort all your own, no matter how hard.

Remember, girls are fun. (For the girls: we are fun as well:) )

She probably does get physically ill. Hell, you would, too, if you saw my picture! :D
If you make her feel ill then there's probably very little chance. On the other hand, I think this "ill" thing is all in your head, and you don't make her feel ill at all.

How long have you known her, how did you meet her and what is the current status of your relationship?

I know precious little about her. She works in the computer lab at my college, where I am now.
Get to know her better.

Agreed, no girl is out of any guys league. A guy just has to be confident in himself, act like its no loss if she doesn't want to do something with him, and, above all, give absolutely no power over to the woman. Unless you want to be like silverman.
But what if it is a loss?

not that i think that a man should be bothered trying to date women like that, it cant possibly be worth it, but some men are drawn to the goregous-but-shallow women like moths to a flame.
I agree, but it's wrong to assume that the subject of Maghda's desires is shallow.

Oh yea, coffe/tea. And don't pay for her drinks. I'm not going to get into the psychological aspect of it, but look at it in this light: If the object of your attraction turns out to be not-so-cool, why spend money to find that out (you aren't trying to buy her affection, and go so far as to belittle the "lesser men" who would try to do so)?
I agree. I have ideological issues with paying for stuff for women. It smacks of proto-prostitution.

But what if it is a loss?

Hence "act", perhaps?

-snip- A guy just has to be confident in himself, act like its no loss if she doesn't want to do something with him -snip-


But what if it is a loss?

I believe the key word in that is act

Hence "act", perhaps?

Baat me too it. :headbang:

I believe the key word in that is act

I'm a terrible actor.

It shouldn't be a loss for you. If you make it seem like its a loss, then she is less likely to actually turn around and go back to you. If you do start to break down a bit, then she can see that she does have some power over you. When I told my girlfriend back in October (before she WAS my girlfriend) that I was going to a movie, and invited her to come along, she at first said no. I didn't act phased, chatted for a while, and left. After about 30 seconds, she came running up behind me, appologized for not saying yes right away, and, yea, its been good.

Hence "act", perhaps?
So one should keep his feelings hidden from her? If she rejects you, why the hell not go on a complete bridge-burning angry rant?

So one should keep his feelings hidden from her? If she rejects you, why the hell not go on a complete bridge-burning angry rant?

As long as it involves the phrase "i'm better than you anyway" why not?

Don't ask her out on a "date" with the dinner and movie and dressing up and crap. It's too much pressure. Go out to a bookstore or something, or offer her a ride to the grocery store. It's more fun and spontaneous and it keeps her guessing.

It shouldn't be a loss for you. If you make it seem like its a loss, then she is less likely to actually turn around and go back to you. If you do start to break down a bit, then she can see that she does have some power over you. When I told my girlfriend back in October (before she WAS my girlfriend) that I was going to a movie, and invited her to come along, she at first said no. I didn't act phased, chatted for a while, and left. After about 30 seconds, she came running up behind me, appologized for not saying yes right away, and, yea, its been good.
This is the answer I was looking for. Thank you. It's about adopting a mindset, more than acting or pretending.

I agree, but it's wrong to assume that the subject of Maghda's desires is shallow.

of course it is. its just that advice is kinda useless if you have no idea what his circumstances are.

if he's a young freshman hoping to catch the eye of the queen bitch of the senior class hes gonna get hurt

if he a shy man wanting to date a coworker all he has to do is work up the courage to ask her for a drink after work.

im just waiting for the details.

So one should keep his feelings hidden from her? If she rejects you, why the hell not go on a complete bridge-burning angry rant?

Dignity? It's hardly like his wife of twenty years and three kids has just started divorce proceedings, now, is it?

"Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

Be careful. I got forumbanned for that joke once.

The first thing is look at her dress sence. If she wares pink cheap trainers, pink track suite and does bubble gum she is a Chav.All you do then is slap her and bin her.Then go back on the 'Newkie'
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The first thing is look at her dress sence. If she wares pink cheap trainers, pink track suite and does bubble gum she is a Chav.All you do then is slap her and bin her.Then go back on the 'Newkie'
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I'm a terrible actor.

ditto

I'll be honest: i can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. But eventually you will learn to work past your insecurities, and it will no longer be "a lie." No sense in being abused needlessly afterall. I think it's called "self improvement," and most guys need it. I sure as hell did. Everyone is afraid of something, it just takes effort to get passed that fear.
im serious

its a lesson i learned from my sister long ago.

she was a shy young navy wife in hawaii. her husband would arrange large house parties and invite all his sailor friends to attend. she was all but paralyzed with shyness but she would pretend that everyone liked her and that she wasnt shy and she would have a wonderful time. she looks back on it as the best time of her married life.

:cool: Forget her go out get blasted on the 'Newkie'. Thats whats life is for women only complicate maters and spend your beer money.
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Dean, I wanna ask the princess out on a date.
How should I do it? I can't just scream,
"HEY, LADYYYYY! NICE, LADY!"

The title is self-explanatory. I need advice in this area. Two reasons: ignorance of the subject; and lack of a backbone.

So, any advice would be deeply appreciated.
The biggest piece of advice I can give you (and I can't stress this enough) is that you should ignore ANYBODY who gives you advice on how to attract or please "women."

"Women" are all different, and there is no set of rules that will work on all women. Expecting all women to respond a certain way to a certain approach is going to get you nothing but trouble.

I can't give you any pointers on asking out "a lady," beyond telling you that you need to get to know her as an individual. That will give you a sense of what approach she would be most receptive to. Is she traditional, and would like the standard flowers-and-chocolates routine? Is she wild and crazy, such that she would prefer your first date involve sky-diving? Learn about who she is, and you'll probably get a pretty good sense of how to let her know that you are interested. Hell, just the process of learning about her will let her know that you are interested in her!

Dammit Bottle... your sense-making kills threads. ;)

The title is self-explanatory. I need advice in this area. Two reasons: ignorance of the subject; and lack of a backbone.

So, any advice would be deeply appreciated.

In my limited experience, if the girl likes you, you will find that whatever you suggest to do, you will find it very easy. If the girl dislikes you, nothing you do will be right.

If I can give only one advice: widen your social circle and don't get fixated on anyone. If it works it works. If it doesn't it will be an uphill battle everytime.

You could always just try humping her leg, too. She'll get the idea.

Dammit Bottle... your sense-making kills threads. ;)
Behold my mighty Sword Of Thread Slaying, with +200 Reason and +300 Boring Longwindedness!!!

Behold my mighty Sword Of Thread Slaying, with +200 Reason and +300 Boring Longwindedness!!!
Exactly... the more sensible something is, the more likely it is to kill the thread.

And to ensure it keeps moving along: the Sword of Insanity! /mumbles some random nonsense about tomato pancakes, motor oil, and the Tao Te Ching/

Wait... there are guys out there who will give a girl flowers and chocolates when asking them out on a date?

Wait... there are guys out there who will give a girl flowers and chocolates when asking them out on a date?

Yeah, right before we start humping their legs.

Wait... there are guys out there who will give a girl flowers and chocolates when asking them out on a date?
There are guys who will bribe you with just about anything you like. The value of the gift is directly negatively correlated with the value of the guy.

There are guys who will bribe you with just about anything you like. The value of the gift is directly negatively correlated with the value of the guy.

Which is why I never do that. And one over zero is...

So, any advice would be deeply appreciated.

Impress her with your knowledge and admiration for McCarthy. If there is one thing chicks dig it is dead right-wing senators.



Or...

Just go and hang out with her. If she seems to be enjoying your company ask her to go out someplace with you. Simple enough, in theory.

Behold my mighty Sword Of Thread Slaying, with +200 Reason and +300 Boring Longwindedness!!!

Stupidity is both a more common and more powerful force than reason will ever be.

Your puny weapons are useless, mortal.

just do what i do, it involves no talking to them at all. just camp outside their window and bring lots of film for your camera

just do what i do, it involves no talking to them at all. just camp outside their window and bring lots of film for your camera

It's better to find a nice tree limb on which to perch.