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There are nine alignments in D&D.

1. Lawful good

2. Neutral good

3. Chaotic good

4. Lawful Neutral

5. Pure Neutral

6. Chaotic Neutral

7. Lawful evil

8. Neutral evil

9. Chaotic evil

Which one do you associate with the most? I associate most with lawful evil, as I am into the whole "sadism", "torture", and "oppresion" kind of stuff, but I am suprisingly courteous and honorable.

er my character is a paladin, so lawful good. A bit of a pain in the ass sometimes.

How about "Lawful Neutral"?

I don't mean what your character's alignment is, I mean what your alignment is. As in YOU! Not any character you might have.

I associate most with lawful evil, as I am into the whole "sadism", "torture", and "oppression" kind of stuff, . . .

Mr. Saddam Hussein! How's your trial going?:p

Generally, I'm going with neutral good. I try to live a good life, and treat others well. As for laws... well, I'm not a big fan of the legal system as it is, as it's so full of holes people with money can dance around it, while others suffer. I generally follow the laws, but I'm not one to blindly uphold them, and I'm not chaotic enough to break them at will. :p

I don't mean what your character's alignment is, I mean what your alignment is. As in YOU! Not any character you might have.

Im a paladin in real life. Duh. I get a free horse at level 4!

For anyone wondering what the hell these alignments mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Neutral#Dungeons_.26_Dragons

That's quite long, so I'll summarise:

Good: you do good, selfless acts to help people, etc.
Neutral: you are too selfish to be good, but not malicious enough to be evil
Evil: you deliberately harm others

Lawful: you follow a code strictly. this could be the laws of your country, a religion, or something else.
Neutral: you don't really care either way for order/chaos
Chaotic: you are impulsive and/or rebellious and don't get along with authority.

Lawful Evil

"Dominator"

Lawful evil is the methodical, intentional, and frequently successful devotion to a cruel organized system.

A lawful evil character methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his personal code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. He's comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve. He is loath to break promises, and is therefore very cautious about giving his word unless a bargain is clearly in his favour.

This reluctance comes partly from his nature and partly because he depends on order to protect himself from those who oppose him on moral grounds. Some lawful evil villains have particular taboos, such as not killing in cold blood (but having underlings do it) or not letting children come to harm (if it can be helped). They feel these personal morals put them above unprincipled villains.

Many lawful evil characters use society and its laws for selfish advantages, exploiting the letter of the law over its spirit whenever it best suits their interests.

Some lawful evil people and creatures commit themselves to evil with a zeal like that of a crusader committed to good. Beyond being willing to hurt others for their own ends, they take pleasure in spreading evil as an end unto itself. They may also see doing evil as part of a duty to an evil deity or master.

Lawful evil is sometimes called "diabolical", because devils are the personification of lawful evil.

A tyrannical ruler who drafts the rules to suit himself, a corrupt lawyer or judge who uses the law to mask his own misdeeds, and the ruthless bosses and minions of organized crime are all examples of Lawful Evil characters.
That's about right.

Chaotic Good (or maybe Neutral).

Unless of course you count having a personal code of conduct which is not outwardly imposed.

That's about right.

:rolleyes: emo. for sure.

Liasia']:rolleyes: emo. for sure.
Emos are Chaotic Evil. They don't care about peace, quiet, and order. They just want to maim and kill and cause chaos/anarchy. I use the system, I don't destroy it. And besides that, the Chaotic Evils take no pleasure from killing. They just do it to reach their ends and to make them seem "cool". Lawful Evils like me kill because it brings pleasure.

Chaotic Neutral/Chaotic Good here.

Emos are Chaotic Evil. They don't care about peace, quiet, and order. They just want to maim and kill and cause chaos/anarchy. I use the system, I don't destroy it. And besides that, the Chaotic Evils take no pleasure from killing. They just do it to reach their ends and to make them seem "cool". Lawful Evils like me kill because it brings pleasure.

Yes but i bet you cry while doing it, and wearing 2+ belts.
*casts rightous anger*

Chaotic Neutral. Rawr.

And besides that, the Chaotic Evils take no pleasure from killing. They just do it to reach their ends and to make them seem "cool".
Um.. where did you get that idea? The whole point of chaotic evil is that they are entirely motivated by their twisted impulses. Desiring admiration is hardly that evil. A rapist would be chaotic evil for example.

I don't mean what your character's alignment is, I mean what your alignment is. As in YOU! Not any character you might have.

Emos are Chaotic Evil. They don't care about peace, quiet, and order. They just want to maim and kill and cause chaos/anarchy. I use the system, I don't destroy it. And besides that, the Chaotic Evils take no pleasure from killing. They just do it to reach their ends and to make them seem "cool". Lawful Evils like me kill because it brings pleasure.

.... alllriiiggghhhttyyyy then.

Emos are Chaotic Evil. They don't care about peace, quiet, and order. They just want to maim and kill and cause chaos/anarchy. I use the system, I don't destroy it. And besides that, the Chaotic Evils take no pleasure from killing. They just do it to reach their ends and to make them seem "cool". Lawful Evils like me kill because it brings pleasure.
So basically you are evil, but too chicken to face the consequences?

If anyone has trouble deciding what their alignment is, they should check out this quiz: http://www.quizilla.com/users/tolkeinsreincarnation/quizzes/Your%20D%26D%20alignment/

So basically you are evil, but too chicken to face the consequences?
No, I'm evil, and I do what I have to in order to not get caught.

True Neutral, here, though bordering on chaotic. I, uh, misclicked. >_<;

No, I'm evil, and I do what I have to in order to not get caught.

And what heinous acts of unspeakable evil have you committed?

I'd say chaotic good. I try and do the right thing in most situations, but I tend to be fairly wishy-washy, changing opinions with my moods.

~Mia

If anyone has trouble deciding what their alignment is, they should check out this quiz: http://www.quizilla.com/users/tolkeinsreincarnation/quizzes/Your%20D%26D%20alignment/

I took that quiz, and it turns out that I am lawful good. :)

I took that quiz, and it turns out that I am lawful good. :)

I'd take it, but the questions are all completely transparent. The answers are even in the same freakin' order!

If anyone has trouble deciding what their alignment is, they should check out this quiz: http://www.quizilla.com/users/tolkeinsreincarnation/quizzes/Your%20D%26D%20alignment/
That puts Neutral as indecisive. That's not really the case. A Neutral individual is one who sees fault in both unashamed abusiveness and continued gullibility; one who sees problems in both oppression by law and freedom by anarchy. Druidic neutrality is an alignment that encourages universal self-temperance, such that everyone can live by nature without labels such as good and evil or lawful and chaotic.

And what heinous acts of unspeakable evil have you committed?
Before I became an PETA member a few months ago, I killed quite a lot of animals. But now I will only kill humans, as I have discovered I respect most animals more than I do most humans. I will only perform the act of killing humans once I have the resources. Such as a privately owned basement. Such as a privately owned car. Such as a job. Such as money. Such as free time away from other people. Currently, I have none of those, as I am 13. But I have already developed complex plans to get away with it. So you get to go about eight years until you hear about "The OLCLTL Killer".

Cookies to those who can decipher the acronym.

And what heinous acts of unspeakable evil have you committed?
He Used To Type Like This, and I'm sure he leaves the toilet seat up on a regular basis. OMGWTFT3HS4T4N!1!:eek:

I'm more of a Neutral Evil, the sort of person who might rob or fight you, but probably won't because he is too lazy.
Maybe I should have put Chaotic down, though, as I'm currently NSing instead of studying when I swore that I wouldn't log on until finals were over.
I'm not sure, though, does sticking it to oneself count as a Chaotic act?

"The OLCLTL Killer".

Does one of the 'L's stand for 'Laughable'?

Indulge me with some more of your twisted little power fantasies, please.

What is this? Dungeons& Dragons?
I saw the second movie. Much better then the crappy first one.

Before I became an PETA member a few months ago, I killed quite a lot of animals. But now I will only kill humans, as I have discovered I respect most animals more than I do most humans. I will only perform the act of killing humans once I have the resources. Such as a privately owned basement. Such as a privately owned car. Such as a job. Such as money. Such as free time away from other people. Currently, I have none of those, as I am 13. But I have already developed complex plans to get away with it. So you get to go about eight years until you hear about "The OLCLTL Killer".

Cookies to those who can decipher the acronym.

The Ontological Laquered Crecendo League of Tuition Lauderers Killer?

But now I will only kill humans, as I have discovered I respect most animals more than I do most humans. -- Snip --
Ya know, I can't help but feel partially responsible for this.

If you try to go ahead with this, I will try to stop you; not because I care particularly about your victims but because I do not want your way to become the new order.

Does one of the 'L's stand for 'Laughable'?

Indulge me with some more of your twisted little power fantasies, please.
second word to all of the letters

Od

Le

Co

Le

Ta

Le


And if I do share, I hope you have MPF (Mod Protection Factor) 9999999 Sunscreen for me.

Neutral good here

second word to all of the letters

Od

Le

Co

Le

Ta

Le


And if I do share, I hope you have MPF (Mod Protection Factor) 9999999 Sunscreen for me.

Odiferous League of Coca-Cola Leverage Tanks Leavers

second word to all of the letters

Od

Le

Co

Le

Ta

Le


And if I do share, I hope you have MPF (Mod Protection Factor) 9999999 Sunscreen for me.


You really want to be known as the 'Odious, Letahrgic, Cockless, Leprous, Talentless, Lecher'?

Number of letters in the words

Od 4

Le 4

Co 5

Le 4

Ta 5

Le 4

You really want to be known as the 'Odious, Letahrgic, Cockless, Leprous, Talentless, Lecher'?
No, no, that's not it all, and you know it! He obviously meant: "Odious, Letahrgic, Cockless, Lecherous, Talentless, Leper."
The leching is just an adjective, it is the disfiguring disease oft associated with armadillos that he intends to make the core of his existence.

Meh, im more of a rebel, but i couldnt give two shits about good or evil. I do what the hell i feel like when i feel like and godamn anyone who says different. Believe it or not, my character is a fighter whos CN and runs an empire, lol.

Number of letters in the words

Od 4

Le 4

Co 5

Le 4

Ta 5

Le 4

ODed Lean Court of Leap Tazer Legs

Number of letters in the words

Od 4

Le 4

Co 5

Le 4

Ta 5

Le 4

Does it stand for the 'Really Bad At Making Acronyms' Killer?

Does it stand for the 'Really Bad At Making Acronyms' Killer?
No. But... I can tell you that I will put OLCLTL (The letters, not the words) on all of my bodies. Sort of, my signature, if you will. And I've read up on criminal psychology, police investigation techniques, forensics and the such, so I won't make any mistakes that previous killers have done. Like the Leopold and Lobe murders. Lobe left his glasses on the boy. That's what led to their arrest. I will scan the entire dump site of the body, making sure I didn't leave ANYTHING. Gloves are a plus too. So are hair nets.

No. But... I can tell you that I will put OLCLTL (The letters, not the words) on all of my bodies. Sort of, my signature, if you will. And I've read up on criminal psychology, police investigation techniques, forensics and the such, so I won't make any mistakes that previous killers have done. Like the Leopold and Lobe murders. Lobe left his glasses on the boy. That's what led to their arrest. I will scan the entire dump site of the body, making sure I didn't leave ANYTHING. Gloves are a plus too. So are hair nets.

Ah, you forgot that criminals always make one mistake.


In most cases it isn't as blatant a one as having posted their own picture, details of their age, school and location on a website where they share their fiendish plots.

Odor Less Color Less Taste Less.

The Americanisms in the spellings were throwing me there for a moment.

Ah, you forgot that criminals always make one mistake.


In most cases it isn't as blatant a one as having posted their own picture, details of their age, school and location on a website where they share their fiendish plots.
Yes, but as I have not performed any acts, you cannot do anything. You can get the FBI to monitor me, but they still can't arrest me. And by the time I'm 21, you can expect that I'm not going to be on NS anymore.

Odor Less Color Less Taste Less.

The Americanisms in the spellings were throwing me there for a moment.
Damn!

Cookies to those who can guess why I chose that name.

Odor Less Color Less Taste Less.

The Americanisms in the spellings were throwing me there for a moment.

Now we just have to figure out what he's refering to. Water?

Damn!

Cookies to those who can guess why I chose that name.

*shrug* Could be lots of thing...Another example is Carbon Monoxide.

No. But... I can tell you that I will put OLCLTL (The letters, not the words) on all of my bodies. Sort of, my signature, if you will. And I've read up on criminal psychology, police investigation techniques, forensics and the such, so I won't make any mistakes that previous killers have done. Like the Leopold and Lobe murders. Lobe left his glasses on the boy. That's what led to their arrest. I will scan the entire dump site of the body, making sure I didn't leave ANYTHING. Gloves are a plus too. So are hair nets.
I remember this movie, it starred Sandra Bullock, right? Or was it Jodie Foster? All the clichés just sort of meld together in one's head after awhile.

*shrug* Could be lots of thing...Another example is Carbon Monoxide.
And WHAT exactly does Carbon Monoxide do?

And WHAT exactly does Carbon Monoxide do?

Kill, duh. But if Ahl-cuhl-tuhl means CO, and CO is a killer, that'd make you The Killer Killer.

Kill, duh. But if Ahl-cuhl-tuhl means CO, and CO is a killer, that'd make you The Killer Killer.
No. My name would be Odorless, Colorless, Tasteless. I picked that name because it is what Carbon Monoxide is.

No. My name would be Odorless, Colorless, Tasteless.


Only to you: the investigating authorities could chose the name 'Doctor Cocktopus' or suchlike to refer to you.

No. My name would be Odorless, Colorless, Tasteless. I picked that name because it is what Carbon Monoxide is.

You said you'd be "The OLCLTL Killer" Not "OLCLTL" Sides, it'd be funny, because you know people are gonna pronounce it...OHlu-klu-tlu or something.

You said you'd be "The OLCLTL Killer" Not "OLCLTL" Sides, it'd be funny, because you know people are gonna pronounce it...OHlu-klu-tlu or something.
Oh, I thought it would be pronounced Oluclotell

No. My name would be Odorless, Colorless, Tasteless. I picked that name because it is what Carbon Monoxide is.
But if you spell it like that, its the OCT Killer (which has the added bonus of associating you with the Ontario College of Teachers).
And I think Bodiless Organs just came up with a much better name than you. I know I'd be proud to say: "I was killed by Doctor Cocktopus!" and such a name would undoubtably make a great way to break the ice at those Death Row Mixers.

Before I became an PETA member a few months ago, I killed quite a lot of animals. But now I will only kill humans, as I have discovered I respect most animals more than I do most humans. I will only perform the act of killing humans once I have the resources. Such as a privately owned basement. Such as a privately owned car. Such as a job. Such as money. Such as free time away from other people. Currently, I have none of those, as I am 13. But I have already developed complex plans to get away with it. So you get to go about eight years until you hear about "The OLCLTL Killer".

Cookies to those who can decipher the acronym.

Don't worry, Naliitr, you'll change. You'll conform to the system and American culture, and will end up a moderate, decently behaved, middle-class nobody, just like the rest of us. I used to have crazy thoughts too. I can't say I ever went so far as to joining PETA, though. :D

But if you spell it like that, its the OCT Killer (which has the added bonus of associating you with the Ontario College of Teachers).
And I think Bodiless Organs just came up with a much better name than you. I know I'd be proud to say: "I was killed by Doctor Cocktopus!" and such a name would undoubtably make a great way to break the ice at those Death Row Mixers.
"Hi! I'm Doctor Cocktopus! What's your name?"

"Hi! I'm Doctor Cocktopus! What's your name?"
I was thinking more along the lines of:
"Hey, what're you in here for?"
"I killed my daughters and raped their corpses, the usual. What about you?"
"Well, I don't mean to brag, but I was Doctor Cocktopus."
"Fucking bad ass, man."
Of course, to do it right you'd have to beat your victims to death with dildoes, but such are the trials that confront true genius and artistic vision.

Of course, to do it right you'd have to beat your victims to death with dildoes, but such are the trials that confront true genius and artistic vision.

Hush now. Talking to 13 year old boys on the internet about dildos? This is dangerously close to grooming.

Hush now. Talking to 13 year old boys on the internet about dildos? This is dangerously close to grooming.
Can't a man reference late 90's cinema in peace? Go hunt your Socrateses elsewhere, you foul prude!

I consider myself neutral good.

But I'm the DM in my group, so I never get to play neutral good. :(

I'd like to think that I'm chaotic good, but usually I tend more to the chaotic neutral side of things.

True neutral. However, sometimes I play Neutral/Chaotic Evil characters. Rarely do I play a Neutral Good character. Rarely.

I happen to like a variant in a book my friend possessions (for Sword and Sorcery, but follows D20 rules), which has "No Alignments", as everyone has their OWN set of moral codes and standards. Much more realistic this way.

EDIT: Realized what the thread was actually about. In that case, I'm totally "No Alignment", but if you have to classify me, probably Neutral Good

In my opinion, Pure Neutrals are panzies. They won't take a stand for anything. They just sit down and make sure they don't do anything to get themselves screwed.

In my opinion, Pure Neutrals are panzies. They won't take a stand for anything. They just sit down and make sure they don't do anything to get themselves screwed.

That sounds like a misinformed opinion. Just because someone is True Neutral doesn't mean they don't have any certain beliefs. It simply means that they believe in balance, and that they must "Judge" (As the alignment's name is) before they choose. They don't always go good because they might not believe in it. They don't always go evil, because they might not believe in it.

In my opinion, Pure Neutrals are panzies. They won't take a stand for anything. They just sit down and make sure they don't do anything to get themselves screwed.

You are missing the fact that they may have very firm opinions, but ones which do not fit into the two axes of good/evil and law/chaos.

I'd have to say Lawful-Neutral.

There's no doubt I'm on the Lawful side of the Law-Chaos axis. I'm generally law-abiding, never really 'rebeled' against authority and generally like ordered systems philosophically.

I would like to think that I'm 'good', but I'm generally motivated by self-interest. Perhaps if I was more involved with 'good' acts, such as volunteering for charities and such, I'd give myself the 'good' nomination. I'll have to settle with a 'good' leaning 'neutral.'

I'm definitely Lawful Good. Very Lawful Good. Nothing makes me happier than following the rules and playing nice.

*tries to keep a straight face*

Lawful Neutral. I do not openly defy the law even though I do some pretty crazy things. I usually try to obey the law as much as possible. I could be good if I actually cared, I think I am more on the evil side though because I tend to view attempts at being good as inefficient when it comes to achieving a goal and achieving goals is what I believe to be important.

Chaotic Neutral
"Free Spirit"

Chaotic Neutral is freedom from both society's restrictions and a do-gooder's zeal.

A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but does not strive to protect the freedom of others. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions. A chaotic neutral character doesn't intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others), evil (and a desire to make others suffer), or be lawful neutral. A chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable, but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it.

A wandering rogue who lives both by work for hire and petty theft is an example of a chaotic neutral character.

Sounds right to me. :)

They just sit down and make sure they don't do anything to get themselves screwed.

Reminds me of my first two years in high school....

in cameroi we say "it's not about being a saint, it's about the kind of world we all have to live in". translating that into alignment that pretty much comes out neutral good.

=^^=
.../\...

No. My name would be Odorless, Colorless, Tasteless.
I have my doubts that you're odorless, but hey, 2 out of 3 ain't bad kid... ;)

Oh, and by the by, you can claim to be Lawful all you want, that doesn't make you any less Chaotic.

I'll go with Chaotic Good. Seems nice enough.

I answered Chaotic Neutral because that is normally what I end up as when playing. People see sinister plots behind my maneuvers. However according to the test below I am Neutral Good.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20001222b

I answered Chaotic Neutral because that is normally what I end up as when playing. People see sinister plots behind my maneuvers. However according to the test below I am Neutral Good.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20001222b
That may be due the fact that there usually is a sinister plot or two behind your maneuvers. Think "Munchkin".

Chaotic Neutral on Lawful Good cusp.

That may be due the fact that there usually is a sinister plot or two behind your maneuvers. Think "Munchkin".

Chaotic Neutral on Lawful Good cusp.

that seems far fetched considering that Lawful and Chaotic are on opposites sides.

that seems far fetched considering that Lawful and Chaotic are on opposites sides.

no, see, he said "On Lawful Good cusp."

A "cusp" is a small, four-armed mixture of orc and wisp. Straughn killed it and is standing on its corpse.

that seems far fetched considering that Lawful and Chaotic are on opposites sides.
I'm also a Capricorn, so it's all in order.

no, see, he said "On Lawful Good cusp."

A "cusp" is a small, four-armed mixture of orc and wisp. Straughn killed it and is standing on its corpse.
Yaay! SQUISH!

http://www.geocities.com/samohod/mpslo/pix/foot.jpg

'ems good eatin'.

Yaay! SQUISH!

http://www.geocities.com/samohod/mpslo/pix/foot.jpg

'ems good eatin'.

You know, cusps are challenge rating 1/8, so you're getting roughly the same XP that you'd get for taking a shit and not getting any on your nose.

Then again, that cusp Paladin was trying to "lay hands" on you at below waist level, so, what could you do?

You know, cusps are challenge rating 1/8, so you're getting roughly the same XP that you'd get for taking a shit and not getting any on your nose.

Then again, that cusp Paladin was trying to "lay hands" on you at below waist level, so, what could you do?

No love for the Paladin...literally and figuratively

No love for the Paladin...literally and figuratively

hee hee

You know, cusps are challenge rating 1/8, so you're getting roughly the same XP that you'd get for taking a shit and not getting any on your nose.

*rolls one*
>MISHAP<
:eek:
*rolls twenty*
>DOUBLE DAMAGE<
:eek: :eek:
*retch*

Then again, that cusp Paladin was trying to "lay hands" on you at below waist level, so, what could you do?Paid them after they were done? Nah, just a slap.

*rolls one*
>MISHAP<
:eek:
*rolls twenty*
>DOUBLE DAMAGE<
:eek: :eek:
*retch*
Paid them after they were done? Nah, just a slap.

Be thankful it isn't Hackmaster the fumble charts are horrible and can lead to chain reactions where one party member kills everyone by making everyone hit each other...vicious stuff...fun to watch

Be thankful it isn't Hackmaster the fumble charts are horrible and can lead to chain reactions where one party member kills everyone by making everyone hit each other...vicious stuff...fun to watch

I truly believe, in my heart, that somewhere, in a dorm room, somebody's parent's basement, a Denny's at 2:00 am, or the conference room at convention center, some group of people are running an actual game of Hackmaster that will run for 20 years.

Be thankful it isn't Hackmaster the fumble charts are horrible and can lead to chain reactions where one party member kills everyone by making everyone hit each other...vicious stuff...fun to watch
What if you're alone (after stepping on a Paladin, of course), and are basically fumbling your rolls about taking a sh*t? Explosive diarrhea? Septic toxification of the intestines? Compulsary coprophilia?

What if you're alone (after stepping on a Paladin, of course), and are basically fumbling your rolls about taking a sh*t? Explosive diarrhea? Septic toxification of the intestines? Compulsary coprophilia?

You stab yourself in the butt with your "shortsword" and become a follower of Fass

I'm terribly unhappy. Today, I found a great Victorian/steampunk roleplaying game, and it uses that damn d20 system that I so dislike.

What happened to the old days, when every new game was a stab at a new system (often wretched but occasionally good)...

You stab yourself in the butt with your "shortsword" and become a follower of Fass
I don't see how that particular arrangement makes me a "follower" so much as a "leader" ... ;)

I'm terribly unhappy. Today, I found a great Victorian/steampunk roleplaying game, and it uses that damn d20 system that I so dislike.

What happened to the old days, when every new game was a stab at a new system (often wretched but occasionally good)...

TSR got bought by Wizards which was bought by a company that doesn't want to make RPG's so they sell the system to anyone. Come on if you had an idea for a world wouldn't you want to use the most recognized game system on the market?

I don't see how that particular arrangement makes me a "follower" so much as a "leader" ... ;)

The question is...would you then become a Fasscist? Or a Fasscimile?

I'm terribly unhappy. Today, I found a great Victorian/steampunk roleplaying game, and it uses that damn d20 system that I so dislike.

What happened to the old days, when every new game was a stab at a new system (often wretched but occasionally good)...
It could have something to do with the ill-fated advent of the d21 system (in hopes of inevitably reaching the vaunted "d23Skidoo" system)

The question is...would you then become a Fasscist? Or a Fasscimile?
Hey, good ones. A *bow* for each ... *bow* :D

TSR got bought by Wizards which was bought by a company that doesn't want to make RPG's so they sell the system to anyone. Come on if you had an idea for a world wouldn't you want to use the most recognized game system on the market?

I'd use White Wolf mechanics, but with the Friday Night Firefight combat system from the old Cyberpunk 2013 boxed set.

And no friggin' miniatures, no hex-maps, everybody puts in for pizza, and anybody drunk enough to puke on the die-pile gets an XP penalty.

I'd use White Wolf mechanics, but with the Friday Night Firefight combat system from the old Cyberpunk 2013 boxed set.

And no friggin' miniatures, no hex-maps, everybody puts in for pizza, and anybody drunk enough to puke on the die-pile gets an XP penalty.

I actually do like White Wolf game mechanics mostly due to the fact the emphasis is on RP and note Roll Playing. Anyway their games are really hit or miss...I usually end up reading them as a mystery novel trying to figure out all the little secrets...I was sure Charon was Abel for the longest time...Damn White Wolf...they shattered my vision of their world!!!!

I actually do like White Wolf game mechanics mostly due to the fact the emphasis is on RP and note Roll Playing. Anyway their games are really hit or miss...I usually end up reading them as a mystery novel trying to figure out all the little secrets...I was sure Charon was Abel for the longest time...Damn White Wolf...they shattered my vision of their world!!!!

That would've been cool...well, you can run it any way you want in your game, right?

I ran a WW game that ran for years, but haven't played much since I've been married (not the wife's fault, just lack of time).

That would've been cool...well, you can run it any way you want in your game, right?

I ran a WW game that ran for years, but haven't played much since I've been married (not the wife's fault, just lack of time).

I can't get the losers together anymore they all got married on me. Every now and then I get heckled by Straughn but his wife holds his reins pretty tight...who knew?

I can't get the losers together anymore they all got married on me. Every now and then I get heckled by Straughn but his wife holds his reins pretty tight...who knew?

Straughn and his wife are actually professional killers working for competing subversive factions of the global military industrial complex. So, you know, they're busy...

Straughn and his wife are actually professional killers working for competing subversive factions of the global military industrial complex. So, you know, they're busy...
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I don't get it. Why people hate D&D so much? It's heroic but come on... it's a good mechanic. Well planned, without bugs (I think), universal (for those who roll and those who role-play), easy and without unnecessary calculation. I know they do it for cash - but who don't?

I can't get the losers together anymore they all got married on me. Every now and then I get heckled by Straughn but his wife holds his reins pretty tight...who knew?
Who knew about the reins? Your sister did ... ;)

I don't get it. Why people hate D&D so much? It's heroic but come on... it's a good mechanic. Well planned, without bugs (I think), universal (for those who roll and those who role-play), easy and without unnecessary calculation. I know they do it for cash - but who don't?

When you are the top dog everyone takes potshots at you...I still have D&D I just don't play it as much as other games because it is the standard...no surprises left really.

Probably neutral good, well, some friends say I'm lawful good because I'm quite struct in how I follow my ethic code, but since I do support uprising against authority in many cases, I probably don't qualify for lawful ;)

In the game itslef, well, I'm often a DM, but when I'm a player, I often play either neutral good or lawful good (and I do like paladins, if the DM isn't insanly strict).

When you are the top dog everyone takes potshots at you...I still have D&D I just don't play it as much as other games because it is the standard...no surprises left really.
It is an adventage if you're DM - isn't it?

I don't get it. Why people hate D&D so much? It's heroic but come on... it's a good mechanic. Well planned, without bugs (I think), universal (for those who roll and those who role-play), easy and without unnecessary calculation. I know they do it for cash - but who don't?

I don't hate it so much as I wish more games were still trying new mechanics. d20 seems to sacrifice a lot of rule depth in the interest of simplicity/universality. It works, and I've used it here and there, but I don't think table-top roleplaying is well served by a system monopoly (even one that encourages independent content with a nice open license).

It is an adventage if you're DM - isn't it?

maybe for an average DM...but for us L33T DM's that bring the R0X0R games it isn't that imaginative.

When you are the top dog everyone takes potshots at you...I still have D&D I just don't play it as much as other games because it is the standard...no surprises left really.

Well, (A)D&D is a very rich game, if you look at all the official campaign settings. Especially the Planescape one, it's very deep and rich, and full of surprise and "unstandard" stuff. But like with all RPGs, it depends a lot of the DM and of the players. If the DM does only hack-and-slash dungeons, and if the players only think about minimaxing, sure, it'll be boring. But if the DM tries to make live a complex universe, with interesting NPCs, social/"political" problems, if the players really play a character that isn't a stereotype, then the game becomes great.

*Too cool to play your silly mind games*

*Goes off and sets up two-up game*

Neutral good. Most laws are ridiculous, and we can't have chaos all over the place, either, and I'm most certainly not evil.

Neutral good. I tend to Lawful Good though.

IRL I probably associate with Lawful Good mostly, however when I play D&D I play chaotic evil.... for fun.

I have my doubts that you're odorless, but hey, 2 out of 3 ain't bad kid... ;)

Oh, and by the by, you can claim to be Lawful all you want, that doesn't make you any less Chaotic.
How am I chaotic? I follow the "rules", except in the murder department. I am very kind and courteous, and perfer peace and quiet to a chaotic scene.

Chaotic good, probably.

*casts 10d20 spell* *rolls d20* *gets 20* *0wn3d!!!111!!ONE*

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised seeing how many people are saying they're "chaotic"-something. The hallmark of that is placing oneself above all else, right? Seems pretty typical for humans.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised seeing how many people are saying they're "chaotic"-something. The hallmark of that is placing oneself above all else, right? Seems pretty typical for humans.

Chaotic means impulsive and/or rebellious. Being selfish means you are neutral (or evil) on the good/evil axis.

Where would people who want to hit the earth with another planet go?

Oh, and I have no particular reason for actually wanting to do this. It won't make me any happier or sadder, I just want to throw mars at earth.

Where would people who want to hit the earth with another planet go?

Oh, and I have no particular reason for actually wanting to do this. It won't make me any happier or sadder, I just want to throw mars at earth.
Sounds chaotic neutral or chaotic evil.

Where would people who want to hit the earth with another planet go?

Oh, and I have no particular reason for actually wanting to do this. It won't make me any happier or sadder, I just want to throw mars at earth.
*blink*... What a brilliant post.

Lawful EBIL.

I like being sadistic - but I don't indulge without a license.

Chaotic neutral.
Morality is ambiguous - chaotic - but while I don't want to be a boy scout, I also don't want to be the Marquis de Sade.

Pure Neutral

I can normally be considered chaotic good, but my idea of good is hitting the earth with mars.

Others label me as Chaotic Evil.

I can normally be considered chaotic good, but my idea of good is hitting the earth with mars.

Others label me as Chaotic Evil.
Tehehe.. Why do you want to hit Earth with Mars?

I don't know. The idea of obliterating all of those thoughts at once seems appropriate. After all, the world seems to be such a vile place.

Though I wouldn't particularly feel any different if I didn't hit Earth with Mars.

In a way that can be considered Neutral, yet it is all open to thought.

In other actions, I am normally Chaotic Good, yet when it comes down to it, I am a chaotic good person that also happens to be a misanthrope, if you can even imagine such a thing.

I think my existence destroys the D&D alignments.

Emos are Chaotic Evil. They don't care about peace, quiet, and order. They just want to maim and kill and cause chaos/anarchy. I use the system, I don't destroy it. And besides that, the Chaotic Evils take no pleasure from killing. They just do it to reach their ends and to make them seem "cool". Lawful Evils like me kill because it brings pleasure.
Not neccesarily. Lawful evil denotes a villian that depends on some form of a system, his own or therwise. He may not take pleasure in killing, just as he may. Chaotic evil villians are ruled by their impulsiveness, they may indeed enjoy killing, and quite often do.

How am I chaotic? I follow the "rules", except in the murder department. I am very kind and courteous, and perfer peace and quiet to a chaotic scene.

No, you haven't broken any rules in the murder department: all you have done is cooked up a little masturbatory fantasy to keep you amused.

That puts Neutral as indecisive. That's not really the case. A Neutral individual is one who sees fault in both unashamed abusiveness and continued gullibility; one who sees problems in both oppression by law and freedom by anarchy. Druidic neutrality is an alignment that encourages universal self-temperance, such that everyone can live by nature without labels such as good and evil or lawful and chaotic.
Agreed. Nuetrality can denote a level of indecisiveness, but more often it actually indicates a single minded comittment to the trait it is paired with, or if true nuetral, to nuetrality itself.

Agreed. Nuetrality can denote a level of indecisiveness, but more often it actually indicates a single minded comittment to the trait it is paired with, or if true nuetral, to nuetrality itself.
In some cases, true neutral could just be apathy.

Before I became an PETA member a few months ago, I killed quite a lot of animals. But now I will only kill humans, as I have discovered I respect most animals more than I do most humans. I will only perform the act of killing humans once I have the resources. Such as a privately owned basement. Such as a privately owned car. Such as a job. Such as money. Such as free time away from other people. Currently, I have none of those, as I am 13. But I have already developed complex plans to get away with it. So you get to go about eight years until you hear about "The OLCLTL Killer".

Cookies to those who can decipher the acronym.
You get picked on at school, don't you?

Not neccesarily. Lawful evil denotes a villian that depends on some form of a system, his own or therwise. He may not take pleasure in killing, just as he may.

Simialrly a LG person may enjoy killing, if for example he is employed as an executioner, and considers his role one of saving others, but also takes a direct pleasure in his work.

How am I chaotic? I follow the "rules", except in the murder department. I am very kind and courteous, and perfer peace and quiet to a chaotic scene.
So you're lawful in all cases except the most important one?

And you don't have to like noise to be chaotic, you know... ;)
I associate most with lawful evil, as I am into the whole "sadism", "torture", and "oppresion" kind of stuff, but I am suprisingly courteous and honorable.
So you say... Ok, you're evil, but are you lawful or chaotic? Would you torture a person just for fun? Is there any situations where you wouldn't torture that person?
No, I'm evil, and I do what I have to in order to not get caught.
Your hint that you are willing to ignore the rules to get away with a crime is an indication of a chaotic alignment.
Before I became an PETA member a few months ago, I killed quite a lot of animals. But now I will only kill humans, as I have discovered I respect most animals more than I do most humans. I will only perform the act of killing humans once I have the resources. Such as a privately owned basement. Such as a privately owned car. Such as a job. Such as money. Such as free time away from other people. Currently, I have none of those, as I am 13. But I have already developed complex plans to get away with it. So you get to go about eight years until you hear about "The OLCLTL Killer".
You seem to have plans to kill people, and plans to get away with murder, but seem to have no plans in regards to who your victims are going to be. Another indication of a chaotic alignment. (And a twisted mind...)
I use the system, I don't destroy it.
And besides that, the Chaotic Evils take no pleasure from killing. They just do it to reach their ends and to make them seem "cool". Lawful Evils like me kill because it brings pleasure.
No, a chaotic evil person could very well kill because it brought pleasure. A lawful evil person would usually have a deeper reason for his or her actions.

Bottom line is that you appear in this thread to be more of a chaotic alignment than a lawful one, despite your claims to the opposite. If you indeed were lawful evil, you would seem to be guilty of many alignment violations judging by your statements presented here.

Personally, I tend to walk the borderline between True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral. Characters I played under alignment systems tended towards the same.

I don't get it. Why people hate D&D so much? It's heroic but come on... it's a good mechanic. Well planned, without bugs (I think), universal (for those who roll and those who role-play), easy and without unnecessary calculation. I know they do it for cash - but who don't?

My experience with D&D/AD&D is quite some time ago with the original early editions, as I started playing in the late 70s - let's just say I missed Chainmail by only a few years... But from what I know of later editions, many of the same mechanics I dislike have been kept - specifically the hit point system, the magic system, the class system, and the alignment system.

But from what I know of later editions, many of the same mechanics I dislike have been kept - specifically the hit point system, the magic system, the class system, and the alignment system.

The hit point system is just laughable. Aside from the fact that it was initially adapted off the 'Hull Point' system of a naval combat simulation, it just plain makes no sense. It is all very well saying that after the first level the added HP are primarily 'luck points' which amount to little scratches rather than major wounds, but then having these recovered at the same rate as mortal wounds is just plain crazy.

True neutral. However, sometimes I play Neutral/Chaotic Evil characters. Rarely do I play a Neutral Good character. Rarely.

I happen to like a variant in a book my friend possessions (for Sword and Sorcery, but follows D20 rules), which has "No Alignments", as everyone has their OWN set of moral codes and standards. Much more realistic this way.

EDIT: Realized what the thread was actually about. In that case, I'm totally "No Alignment", but if you have to classify me, probably Neutral Good

Yeah, it's true that the alignment system doesn't make sense in reality. I did a bit of research into it and have come to the decision that the 9 Alignments provides the best foundation for fun. We have to remember that in D&D good and evil aren't subjective philosophical concepts, they are actual cosmic forces which are locked in an eternal battle for the planes. This is great for epic struggles and the like. It also give characters like paladins and cleric more freedom within their code of behaviour.

On the flip side, interpretavie alignments completely destroys all spells like 'protection from evil/good' and makes in game situations harder for good aligned characters (as moral ambiguity plagues every decision they make). Hoever, interpretive alignments doesn allow for more indepth characters.

Personally I prefer to have a mixture of the two. Interpretive alignments for mortals, and cosmic alignments for extraplanar forces and mortal disciples of these forces.

No clue. I've never touched D&D, and don't really have the desire to do so.

Although, if I were associated with it, I'd be with Lawful Good.

On the flip side, interpretavie alignments completely destroys all spells like 'protection from evil/good' and makes in game situations harder for good aligned characters (as moral ambiguity plagues every decision they make).

I'm quite amazed that this thread has got so far without mention of 'Lawful Stupid'.

Chaotic Good

I did a test a while ago, told me I was Chaotic Good. I kinda feel more neutral Good though.

Although, the test also told me I was a female halfling wizard.:eek:

I'm always Chaotic Good.

I'm terribly unhappy. Today, I found a great Victorian/steampunk roleplaying game, and it uses that damn d20 system that I so dislike.

What happened to the old days, when every new game was a stab at a new system (often wretched but occasionally good)...
You serious? I accepted the ushering in of the age of d20 with enthusiasm. It's great. Streamlined and standardised system, with relitaviley little impact at all on gameplay aesthetics. Compare playing 3rd ed D&D to 2nd, (or 1st if you ever played it). Let alone indie games. It was near impossible for noobs, and bloody complicated for everyone else. Games took twice as long, as did preparation. Under d20, I have more game and less flipping-for-that-f*cking-table. It's glorious.

Although, the test also told me I was a female halfling wizard.:eek:
So?

...

Oh, right, you're more of a bard I see... Cute feet though :p

The hit point system is just laughable. Aside from the fact that it was initially adapted off the 'Hull Point' system of a naval combat simulation, it just plain makes no sense. It is all very well saying that after the first level the added HP are primarily 'luck points' which amount to little scratches rather than major wounds, but then having these recovered at the same rate as mortal wounds is just plain crazy.


I'm quite amazed that this thread has got so far without mention of 'Lawful Stupid'.

Exactly so.

Anyone wondering what's wrong with D&D/AD&D should look over this:
http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/~kamikaze/RPG/wrong_adnd.php

And at least Arduin included some fun alignments - I once played an Insane Amoral Evil character - for a short time. (That system at least corrected some of the glairing problems and lent some interesting flavor to D&D. )

I don't get it. Why people hate D&D so much? It's heroic but come on... it's a good mechanic. Well planned, without bugs (I think), universal (for those who roll and those who role-play), easy and without unnecessary calculation. I know they do it for cash - but who don't?
I second that. Since when is selling out bad? It means more money for the industry, and game. More money means greater player/DM resources and options. Selling out is fine as long as iot is balanced with preservation of the purpose/core ideals of the original subject. Take metallica, before they sold out they were good, after they sold out they had more money and an orchestra and made the best shit ever, when they sold out further and started playing what was essentially new-punk (their latest peice of s!t album) they sucked.

I second that. Since when is selling out bad? It means more money for the industry, and game. More money means greater player/DM resources and options. Selling out is fine as long as iot is balanced with preservation of the purpose/core ideals of the original subject. Take metallica, before they sold out they were good, after they sold out they had more money and an orchestra and made the best shit ever, when they sold out further and started playing what was essentially new-punk (their latest peice of s!t album) they sucked.


I think it's time for a new thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481565)... :D

i really enjoyed playing neutral good,because i was the dungeon master .
still i had a ronin hero(liang tao),and was best at chaotic good(when i wasn't the dm).


Fuck i loved this game.

I just remebered a really funny comic strip made by Christians to make D&D look satanic and evil. A girl's character died in game, so she killed herself because she felt guilty. Then a girl who was wizard joined a cult because she was a wizard in game. It was so stupid it was funny.

I'm a mix. I follow Judaism, which is very lawful, but I love freedom, which is chaotic. However, I have determined that I am most definitely good.

Compare playing 3rd ed D&D to 2nd, (or 1st if you ever played it). Let alone indie games. It was near impossible for noobs, and bloody complicated for everyone else. Games took twice as long, as did preparation.

Given the choice, I would much rather play Basic/Expert D&D rather than any form of Advanced or 3rd edition. It isn't as crunchy, but it isn't as rule-laden either. True, certain things in it never made any real sense, like the way AC was handled, or as D2104 has already pointed out, the HP system, but it had a quite pleasent feel to it.

...but then again I would probably go for a customised version of T&T if I just wanted a quick dungeon crawl.

I just remebered a really funny comic strip made by Christians to make D&D look satanic and evil.

Dark Dungeons by Jack Chick.

Tehehe.. Why do you want to hit Earth with Mars?
Interplanetary copulation - the kind the old greco-roman muse inspired in song and tragedy so poignantly.

You forgot Lawful Stupid, which describes a lot of people in global politics nicely.

You forgot Lawful Stupid, which describes a lot of people in global politics nicely.
:D

Chaotic Horny

Chaotic Horny*backs away slowly*
What, no Lawful Horny?

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*backs away slowly*
What, no Lawful Horny?

There's only Missionary, and afterwards you must Atone for it.

:p

There's only Missionary, and afterwards you must Atone for it.

:p

Can lycanthropes do it doggy style, once a month?

There's only Missionary, and afterwards you must Atone for it.

:p
Heh, or fill out the citation. :D