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I'll start:

Hitler was a talented painter.

Stalin had a sexy moustache.

Woodrow Wilson had very good intentions during the Treaty of Versailles.

Hey friends
Ahh Hitler.. if only he was good enough to get into art school, INSTEAD of killing millions

My nice thing-- 'Lennin still looks 50'

Hitler was a talented painter.

No, he was a master of death, but an average painter.

http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums6/jpg_hitlerart13.htm

Now it's my turn to day something nice about a historical figure I hate, which is difficult because I don't hate anybody. Never saw the point. Anyway, I'll say something good about someone whose actions I intensely dislike:

Idi Amin had good taste.

Mobutu Sese Seko wore an awesome hat.

Bush has at least one sexy daughter.

Oh, and apparently he's a good kisser.
http://www.hermes-press.com/bush_kiss.jpg

OJ DID do it, but thats "okay" because he had a cool Bronco

Hitler...Stalin...Hitler...Stalin...Bush...Is that all? Clinton could uh...uh...uh...uh PLAY THE SAXAPHONE! Yeah that's it, he COULD play the saxaphone.

Bob Dole, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh...boy, this is hard...

Bob Dole, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh...boy, this is hard...

I hope the humour in this post was intentional, what with Bob Dole appearing in Viagra commercials and all.

I hope the humour in this post was intentional, what with Bob Dole appearing in Viagra commercials and all.

It was. :p

Bush will die one day

Bush will die one day

ROFLMAO

Bush smashes his face into the pavement with great regularity.

I'll start:

Hitler was a talented painter.
No he wasn't, his stuff was rubbish.

Now the architecture, I liked.

Hitler had a unique way of thinking of politics as an art form, I think that's pretty cool.

Pol Pot - died.

Without Pol Pot we wouldn't have Holiday in Cambodia.

Without Pol Pot we wouldn't have Holiday in Cambodia.
:D

Stalin had a sexy moustache.
Yeah, but I shaved...

Without Pol Pot we wouldn't have Holiday in Cambodia.
Pure comedy genius.

Erm...is there anyone I hate in history...? Oooh, yes...
Queen Mary...erm...died quickly enough. And had 'callous' engraved on her heart.

I'll start:

Hitler was a talented painter.Hardly. But he liked dogs.

Uhm... Jesus wasn't the "dangerous" sort of nutter.

KKKlintoon left the White House

Hardly. But he liked dogs.

But he poisoned his bitch and her puppies, so I wouldn't want to be Hitler's dog.

hitler didnt like smoking but forget to tell the world it kills!

Princess Diana was married to a royal.

Churchill wore funky bowties

That Mussolini really knew how to get the trains running on time.

Charles Clarke - got sacked earlier this week. Which is good.

But [Hitler] poisoned his bitch

He also poisoned his dog.

Idi Amin had good taste.
hahaha, genius.
he also made sure foreign dignitaries were always well fed, in fact even his own political prisoners often were invited to dinner.

Abraham Lincoln: a bastion of integrity, charity and honour.

hitler didnt like smoking but forget to tell the world it kills!

Actually, German scientists in Nazi Germany were the first to realise the true harmful effects of smoking, and did infact pass this knowledge around the world.

Actually, German scientists in Nazi Germany were the first to realise the true harmful effects of smoking, and did infact pass this knowledge around the world.

I believe Freud's doctor told him to stop smoking soon after the turn of the century. He cut back but never stopped. Died of throat cancer. If only he wasn't so fond of sucking on a penis... I mean cigar!

Hitler was a quiete a good artist before he got involved in politics

Pope John Paul II had a twinkle in his eye.

Maggie Thatcher... melts when you throw water on her.

Kim Jong-Il is a travel-sized dictator, therefore making him cute in the sense of a small animal.

Errinundera']Pope John Paul II had a twinkle in his eye.

Was it while he was doing this?

http://www.exit50.com/images/April2005/Pope.jpg

Socrates probably didn't invent his own gods instead of those of the state and corrupt the youth. (I'd have still voted for death at his trial though)

George Bush has breath as fresh as a summer ham.

Was it while he was doing this?

http://www.exit50.com/images/April2005/Pope.jpg

How apposite!

Bill Clinton did a good job raising money for disaster relief.

FDR knew how to get what he wanted.

Ronald Reagan was a human being.

I'm not sure if that qualifies as a nice thing, but I can't think of anything else.

richard nixon had the good grace to resign rather than wait to be kicked out of the whitehouse.

I'm having a hard time coming up with a historical figure I hate.

I'm just not a hateful kind of guy. Even the most hideous of people makes a decent pie magnet. :p

Saddam Hussien umm At least he wasn't French.

I'll start:

Hitler was a talented painter.
Hitler was not that good (http://www.hitler.org/art/flowers/) at art.

He did commission the Volkswagen Beetle though!

Heinrich Himmler was persistant. He kept taking pianolessons even though he had no talent.

F.D.R. survived polio.

Hitler was butch

(If any of you saw The Producers, you'd know what I'm talking about)

Hitler is also responsible for the autobahn, as well as the modern freeway.

The Nazis certainly were good with roads.

George Bush has been a great source of material for comedians. And the Daily Show.

Reagan had a sense of humour. Andrew Jackson hmm...had a cool nick name? Other than Indian Killer of course.

Stalin was a great golfer :D

Karl Marx was a good toilet cleaner.

Ronald Reagan was a human being.

You lie!

:p

Dick Cheney likes to hunt...old lawyers :D

Howard Dean knows how to scream really loud.

Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna dressed very snazzy

Idi Amin was very......ummm........efficient........you have to respect efficiency, no matter what the endeavor..

Blackbeard had a nice fashion sense

Hmmmm....let me think.....uh......

Stalin DID save much of the Western World.

Oswald Mosley did wear some surprisingly snazzy uniforms.

Hitler had the greatest mustache of all time.

No one mentioned Caligula yet? Im ashamed...anyways Caligula....um...had some really kick ass boats!

Dick Cheney shot a lawyer.


Nero was a good violinist.


Hitler had the good grace to commit suicide.

Eve- At least that bitch walked around naked

No one mentioned Caligula yet? Im ashamed...anyways Caligula....um...had some really kick ass boats!

They were at bit on the small side though!!!

Cromwell took on the monarchy!!!

Hitler - was a vegetarian. I think it is something to do with his highly developed sense of ethics and morals. :p

Churchill - quick wit, would have been more likeable if not for his visceral hatred for India.

Hitler - was a vegetarian. I think it is something to do with his highly developed sense of ethics and morals. :p

Churchill - quick wit, would have been more likeable if not for his visceral hatred for India.

Yeah Churchill was a right s**t, which tends to be forgotten due to his role in WWII. Some would argue that the problems in northern Ireland are one of Churchills legacies.

Saddam Hussein was very photogenic

andy peters came out of the closet (well broom cupboard

Yamamoto was a good strategist

Hoover didn't start the Great Depression.

Yeah Churchill was a right s**t, which tends to be forgotten due to his role in WWII. Some would argue that the problems in northern Ireland are one of Churchills legacies.

He was a great leader for Britain. I wish people would stop it there and not portray him as a great leader for the world.

He was a great leader for Britain. I wish people would stop it there and not portray him as a great leader for the world.

I quite agree. If we hadn't hinted to Chamberlain that we wanted him out then Hitler would have had a walkover.

Lord Chamberlain was a very giving person.

Lord Chamberlain was a very giving person.

You've got that right.

Hitler loved dogs, but dogs didn't love him :(

Mayor Ray Negan likes chocolate

He was a great leader for Britain. I wish people would stop it there and not portray him as a great leader for the world.He did contribute to the end of Empire though. Not intentionally I admit. But if he hadn't cut funding from the defences of Singapore when he was Chancellor, and then deprive it of planes and tanks when it was under threat then the colonies would have taken longer to realise that Britain was no longer capable of defending the entire Empire adequately.

Tony Blair is finished.

He did contribute to the end of Empire though. Not intentionally I admit. But if he hadn't cut funding from the defences of Singapore when he was Chancellor, and then deprive it of planes and tanks when it was under threat then the colonies would have taken longer to realise that Britain was no longer capable of defending the entire Empire adequately.

Yes, but the British Empire was one of the worst things in the history of the world...

Pol Pot was...uh-I can't think of anything nice to say about him

Yes, but the British Empire was one of the worst things in the history of the world...

Some might disagree. I have no objection to empire myself.

Anyway, Darwin: great man, great theories.

Pol Pot was...uh-I can't think of anything nice to say about him

He was Cambodian.
Edit: He was Indochinese.

No he wasn't, his stuff was rubbish.

Now the architecture, I liked.

That architecture was rubbish, too. Look at all the innovating Ludwig Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, and Walter Gropius were doing in Germany with the International Style. Same goes in Finland with Alvar Aalto. Look at what Frank Lloyd Wright had already been doing in the USA for thirty years.

Mao Zedong had a great smile :D

Yes, but the British Empire was one of the worst things in the history of the world...
That's what I meant. Not because I necessarily believe it, but I know Aryavartha does.

The Electress Sophia of Hanover wasn't an ugly old harridan.

Leopold and Lobe were very intelligent

That's what I meant. Not because I necessarily believe it, but I know Aryavartha does.

Well, I loved it unconditionally...until I was about 10.

George Walker Bush is a gifted diplomat and effective politician, not to mention an absolute brainbox of knowledge and learning.

Dan Quayle was a master speller :D

Hitler was a non-smoker.

George Walker Bush is a gifted diplomat and effective politician, not to mention an absolute brainbox of knowledge and learning.

No sarcasm.

Stalin put all those people he arrested to good use

No sarcasm.

I was saying something nice about someone who I utterly dislike. I was under the impression that being sarcastic was a pre-requisite of this exercise.

General Franco stayed neutral during WWII

Hitler conquered France

I was saying something nice about someone who I utterly dislike. I was under the impression that being sarcastic was a pre-requisite of this exercise.

No, just the ability to be objective.

John Wilkes Booth was one hell of an actor

Ghengis Khan knew how to seduce women. I think he holds the record for impregnating the most women in history.

Benedict Arnold was a good general.

Well, I loved it unconditionally...until I was about 10.
You'll have to forgive me, because I can't really figure out the tone of your reply. If it's just an observation then just ignore this post, but if it was meant to be an insult then I'd like to say I admire your brevity - an ad hominem and a strawman in 10 words takes some doing.

Very well, George Walker Bush has high comedy value around the world.

David Lloyd George knew how to make a few quid on the side.

Karl Rove looks like a big corrupt baby.

Batista was pro-American.

Machiavelli inspired current rulers with his "better to be feared than loved" philosophy.

Consequently, King George Bush II paved the road for The Colbert Report.

Bloody Mary inspired a drink

Karl Rove looks like a big corrupt baby.

How is this a compliment? If you want to trash Rove, there are plenty of other threads to do that.

Sorry, I couldn't type anything completely nice about him.

Brutus was a nice guy, until he started hanging out with the wrong crowd (Cassius).

Osama doesn't like George Bush and has a really hot niece.

You'll have to forgive me, because I can't really figure out the tone of your reply. If it's just an observation then just ignore this post, but if it was meant to be an insult then I'd like to say I admire your brevity - an ad hominem and a strawman in 10 words takes some doing.

The intent was ambiguity.

Al-Zarqawi wears nice sneakers.

At least Robert E. Lee tried to take the red states off of our hands.

Good one

Harper is Canadian

Gehghis Khan had a cool hat.

David Lloyd george was....... erm? .......... This is harder than i thaught!

David Lloyd george was....... erm? .......... This is harder than i thaught!
He was British.

The intent was ambiguity.
Gotcha.

Mussolini had nice boots

Gotcha.
I achieved my goal. I'd say that I gotcha.

George Buchanon: historian extraordinaire.

He was British.


Good lets go with that! Wow, your fantastic at this!

I achieved my goal. I'd say that I gotcha.
No I meant I understood what you meant.

The Prince Regent: leader in fashion.

No I meant I understood what you meant.
Which, ironically, means that I had not gotcha.

Clement Attlee: pioneer worker in the field of social welfare.

William Ewart Gladstone: grumpy, deaf old sod.

William Wallace came from a well-off family.

JK ROWLING is good at copying other people's work and ruining it. Does that count?

JK ROWLING is good at copying other people's work and ruining it. Does that count?

Hell, she made a packet from it. What's not to like?

Dan Brown: acclaimed novelist.

George Bush is male!

Paul Revere: telegraph boy.

Paul Revere: telegraph boy.

Telegraphs weren't invented until the 19th century, my friend.

uh...aren't we supposed to say something about HISTORICAL persons...:confused:

I'll start:

Hitler was a talented painter.

I don't know about that, but he had good taste in footwear.

Paul Revere: telegraph boy.

More like relay boy. Israel Bissell was the midnight rider. But I don't hate him, so I suppose that's off topic.

Herman Goering was a good pilot. He also had a liking in model trains.

He wouldn't have been that bad a guy had he not sold his soul to the nazi's for two Curtiss Hawk fighters.

JK ROWLING is good at copying other people's work and ruining it. Does that count?

Ffs im sick of people dismissing Rowling just because she writes about magic and stuff in the same way as Tolkien or whoever. Her books are good in their own right, and i enjoyed them more than i did reading the LOTR.

Liasia']Ffs im sick of people dismissing Rowling just because she writes about magic and stuff in the same way as Tolkien or whoever. Her books are good in their own right, and i enjoyed them more than i did reading the LOTR.

Jesus, you honestly enjoy her books? :eek:

Adolf Hitler wasn't a twin. ;)

Jesus, you honestly enjoy her books? :eek:

Yes. And no, im not two years old. I read alot of stuff, and her books are really really good. If you can't see past your snobbish obbsession with 'adult' literature then, basically, it's your loss.

Adolf Hitler wasn't a twin. ;)


Hitler??? Twin???? Hitlers Twin??? OH FUCk!!!!!!! RUN!:eek:

Hitler never had children

Hitler never had children

That he knows about.


Oh no I didn't!

Yeah, Hitler was a real ladies man

Yeah, Hitler was a real ladies man

I watched some program about him urinating on his female cousin. Hitler was a real cool guy, by the sounds of it.

J. Edgar Hoover had a good sense of fashion.

Liasia']Yes. And no, im not two years old. I read alot of stuff, and her books are really really good. If you can't see past your snobbish obbsession with 'adult' literature then, basically, it's your loss.

I enjoy the plots, but the writing is nothing to write home about. Bad pun very much intended.

Ratzinger will die some day. (A.k.a Pope Benedict XVI).

Ted Turner will go to hell. :) :sniper:

Hey friends
Ahh Hitler.. if only he was good enough to get into art school, INSTEAD of killing millions

My nice thing-- 'Lennin still looks 50'
:D

Ronald Reagan... um... hmmm... (trying to think of something nice to say)... uhh...

Ooh! I know! He wasn't as bad as Shrubya!

Liasia']I watched some program about him urinating on his female cousin. Hitler was a real cool guy, by the sounds of it.

Thats hot.

Did he really, though?

Ronald Reagan... um... hmmm... (trying to think of something nice to say)... uhh...

Ooh! I know! He wasn't as bad as Shrubya!

Bill Clinton.

I'm pretty sure he gave Monika Lewinsky a rim job...or she gave him one.

Either way my good thing to say about him is that atleast both of them had enough common sense to wash off first.

P.S. Ronald Reagan was the best President Americas ever had.

George Bush can't run again

Mugabe has a sexy name.

Joseph McCarthy taught us how insane people can be.

Jesus, you honestly enjoy her books? :eek:

Jesus likes to read from all sorts of genres.

Thats hot.

Did he really, though?

*shrugs* this is what iv'e been told.

I enjoy the plots, but the writing is nothing to write home about. Bad pun very much intended.

Thing is though, i really FEEL for the characters when i'm reading her books. They sort of grab you. I know alot of the classical novelists fail to do that for me.

Coincidentally, the best book i ever read was some crappy book about an adolecent vampire i found in the children's section of the library. I dont even know the title, but i read it 3 times in 3 days.

More like relay boy. Israel Bissell was the midnight rider. But I don't hate him, so I suppose that's off topic.

I hate him but I have to admit that he was a good messenger. By the by, the reference to a telegraph boy was to please a private wit, it was not a refutation of technological history.

Karl Marx looked like Santa.

Mohammed ....uh
....hmm
....almost
....he had lots of sand to play in?

FDR got us into WWII
(note, this actually is a complement because otherwise we would all be speaking German right now, not that I have anything against German)

Stalin was a paranoid maniac, but... but... at least he's dead now. Yeah, that's really nice of him. :nods:

Mohammed ....uh
....hmm
....almost
....he had lots of sand to play in?
He had a really cool hat too.

(note, this actually is a complement because otherwise we would all be speaking German right now, not that I have anything against German)
And you should not, it is the most important subject in school and the most beautiful thing in the world, the only thing really worth learning. [/teacher quote]

Don't really know of anyone I hate, but I'll say Hitler had a great sense of humour, and espescially irony.

Mikhail Gorbachev had a cool birthmark and wore nice suits...

(But I do hate him for ruining the USSR)

William Wallace came from a well-off family.


o_O

Something nice about someone you hate??? Wha'?... How is this...?


OMG, though!!!!!!!!!11

I was looking on Wikipedia for something good to say about Walt Disney, and it said that it is an urban myth that he was cryogenically frozen!!!!
No f**king way!!!

KKKlintoon left the White House

lmao

Carter did one good thing in his life. He posthumously awarded the Duke a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

George Washington was an excellent strategist who used a time of goodwill to all men to stab a few britons and win the war of independence.

George McGovern lost the 1972 election.

Carter did one good thing in his life. He posthumously awarded the Duke a Presidential Medal of Freedom.
The same "Duke" who was a rabid war mouth but when time came to ante up, he took a "familial deferrment", and then as soon as the war was up, divorced her?
That Duke? Certainly not, i should hope.
Oh, btw, Carter still does real physical labour, at a cost to him in more ways than one. And, he tried hard to straighten out the whole "Blue Book" issue.

Jesus likes to read from all sorts of genres.
But tends to settle with predictable tragedies .. the kind with a lot of script immunity and IMMENSE "plot" holes.

George Bush rides his bicycle "fantastically" which is what Lance Armstrong said about him.

George Bush rides his bicycle "fantastically" which is what Lance Armstrong said about him.
As in, his "fantasy" land was a small part of Lance's existence, for a little while?

Hillary Clinton's looks can scare crows from a cornfield

Hillary Clinton's looks can scare crows from a cornfield

*hysterical laughter*

Brian Mulroney isn't a complete asshole, even though he gave us NAFTA...

Hillary Clinton's looks can scare crows from a cornfield
Hmmm, Marge is in tha house! At least, she should be ...

That's Russel Crowe, Cameron Crow, Crow Diddly, Hume Crow-nyn, Gregory Peck...

As in, his "fantasy" land was a small part of Lance's existence, for a little while?

thats right

I hate lamp. I hate desk. I hate chair.

I hate lamp. I hate desk. I hate chair.
Right thread?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481670

Ghengis Khan knew how to seduce women. I think he holds the record for impregnating the most women in history.

Why in the world would you hate Genghis Khan? He was a remarkably talented leader.

Now Kublai Khan. . . well, at least he had good taste in plays.

I'll start:

Hitler was a talented painter.

Margaret Thatcher will die soon.

Nixon had a cool helicoptor.

Muhammed was able to score with younger chicks.

Margaret Thatcher will die soon.

:( That's mean.

Mikhail Gorbachev had a cool birthmark and wore nice suits...

(But I do hate him for ruining the USSR)

lol. It was ruined long before Gorbie, bud.

:( That's mean.

It is? Sorry, best thing i could think of to say about her...

It is? Sorry, best thing i could think of to say about her...

She was the country's first female Prime Minister...? She was the country's (as yet) longest serving Prime Minister...? She was British...?

She was the country's first female Prime Minister...? She was the country's (as yet) longest serving Prime Minister...? She was British...?

(1) Well, i had my doubts about Ted Heath...
(2) In one continous sitting? No, try Walpole. A full ten years more. Gladstone was on 14 years but he was in and out of office.
(3) Err, she was? I always thought she was a space alien from the planet Evil myself.

I'll start:

Hitler was a talented painter.
John Lennon started a neat trend with those little glasses.

John Lennon started a neat trend with those little glasses.

Mark Chapman had good aim, he got five bullets into one beetle...

(1) Well, i had my doubts about Ted Heath...
(2) In one continous sitting? No, try Walpole. A full ten years more. Gladstone was on 14 years but he was in and out of office.
(3) Err, she was? I always thought she was a space alien from the planet Evil myself.

How about not being a smartarse? Since the abolition of rotten boroughs and the country actually being democratic (i.e. female suffrage) is quite clearly what I meant.

How about not being a smartarse? Since the abolition of rotten boroughs and the country actually being democratic (i.e. female suffrage) is quite clearly what I meant.

It is? Then why didn't you say that? You didn't say that because it didn't sound as impressive. "The longest serving prime minister since female suffrage" is a slightly less proud boast, given there have only been 15 of the buggers.

It is? Then why didn't you say that? You didn't say that because it didn't sound as impressive. "The longest serving prime minister since female suffrage" is a slightly less proud boast, given there have only been 15 of the buggers.

"The longest serving, democratically-elected Prime Minister" sounds just fine.

"The longest serving, democratically-elected Prime Minister" sounds just fine.

It was a democracy before female suffrage.

In the classical Greek sense, anyway.

It was a democracy before female suffrage.

In the classical Greek sense, anyway.

You and I both know that I could run a poll and get the desired judgement on whether or not that is true. :) (in the eyes of "generalites")

You and I both know that I could run a poll and get the desired judgement on whether or not that is true. :) (in the eyes of "generalites")

True.

Anyway, i've changed my historical figure:-

"Phil Collins doesn't make records any more"

True.

Anyway, i've changed my historical figure:-

"Phil Collins doesn't make records any more"

Well, I'm pretty sure I only like her because of my father. But I do feel sorry for her when I see her all old and somewhat bereaved. :(

Well, I'm pretty sure I only like her because of my father. But I do feel sorry for her when I see her all old and somewhat bereaved. :(

Would you feel the same for Hitler if Eva Braun had gone first?

Just wondering, not comparing her to Hitler, just wondering how far compassion stretches.

Would you feel the same for Hitler if Eva Braun had gone first?

Just wondering, not comparing her to Hitler, just wondering how far compassion stretches.

I still think Thatcher did a lot of good for this country. And she didn't murder 6 million Jews.

I would not have felt bad for Hitler.

I still think Thatcher did a lot of good for this country. And she didn't murder 6 million Jews.

I would not have felt bad for Hitler.

Ah, i lived through it (Thatcher,not Hitler) and think that she did a lot of bad for this country, and the good she did was unintentional and would have happened anyway. And whilst she didn't kill 6 million Jews, i think she would quite happily have gassed her opponents if she could have got away with it. She was a politician, they all would.

Ah, i lived through it (Thatcher,not Hitler) and think that she did a lot of bad for this country, and the good she did was unintentional and would have happened anyway. And whilst she didn't kill 6 million Jews, i think she would quite happily have gassed her opponents if she could have got away with it. She was a politician, they all would.

In that, you are far from unique. I don't think the good she did was unintentional; it took a lot of hard work and indefatigability (love that word and had to use it).

In that, you are far from unique. I don't think the good she did was unintentional; it took a lot of hard work and indefatigability (love that word and had to use it).

Nah, i don't think you get my point - there were good consequences of "the thatcher revolution", but they weren't her intended consequences (ie/ the death of deference and authority - she didn't intend to kill that, she was an old skool conservative) but it happened, and it happened because of the forces she unwittingly unleashed.

I'd be interested to know what exactly she did achieve for the country.

Lyndon Johnson declined running in the 1968 election.

Franklin Roosevelt died in office.

Woodrow Wilson neglected his health by overworking himself, shortening his life span.

Abbie Hoffman killed himself.

John Lennon didn't wear a bulletproof vest.

Jane Fonda wasn't fast enough to dodge the tobacco spat in her face.

Bob Dole is mortal.

Nah, i don't think you get my point - there were good consequences of "the thatcher revolution", but they weren't her intended consequences (ie/ the death of deference and authority - she didn't intend to kill that, she was an old skool conservative) but it happened, and it happened because of the forces she unwittingly unleashed.

I'd be interested to know what exactly she did achieve for the country.

She gave people the right to buy their council houses; she stopped inflation; she saved the Falklands; she lessened the power of the state via the sale of the state-owned entities...

She gave people the right to buy their council houses; she stopped inflation; she saved the Falklands; she lessened the power of the state via the sale of the state-owned entities...

Which fuelled the rampant house market of the present day and has lead to a housing shortage (you missed the second half of the "right to buy" thing, as well, which was "she refused to allow the local authorities to use the money gained from right to buy to upgrade, improve or add to their housing stock" - right to buy wasn't about home ownership at all, it was about defanging local government and municipal traditions that have gone back over a century); she did? she stopped inflation by increasing unemployment. Hardly a likeable solution; And this was a good thing why?; She sold off the family silver to her mates in the city and now we still have the same monopoly over our water, our electric, our gas...but no protection from owning the buggers.

Mmmm. Not happy with that list.

Which fuelled the rampant house market of the present day and has lead to a housing shortage (you missed the second half of the "right to buy" thing, as well, which was "she refused to allow the local authorities to use the money gained from right to buy to upgrade, improve or add to their housing stock" - right to buy wasn't about home ownership at all, it was about defanging local government and municipal traditions that have gone back over a century); she did? she stopped inflation by increasing unemployment. Hardly a likeable solution; And this was a good thing why?; She sold off the family silver to her mates in the city and now we still have the same monopoly over our water, our electric, our gas...but no protection from owning the buggers.

Mmmm. Not happy with that list.

I don't care about the rampant house market--there are plenty of cheap houses in the northern cities. What's wrong with defanging local government? It was the workers who chose to be unemployed, and their trade unions. Meh, it was available to everyone.

I don't care about the rampant house market--there are plenty of cheap houses in the northern cities. What's wrong with defanging local government? It was the workers who chose to be unemployed, and their trade unions. Meh, it was available to everyone.

The workers CHOSE to be unemployed? WHAT? When on earth did that happen? How old are you? No offence, i'm not playing the age card, it's just...i remember the early 80s, and thats not what happened at all.

And you obviously have no idea about the housing market - i'm a university graduate with seven years experience in my job, earning a decent wage, living in one of the poorest areas of the country and i can't afford to get a house and have to rent - what does that say for the rest of the country, for those without the qualifications and experience and job stability i have?

And as for trade unions...without trade unions, this country would have been a hell hole for anyone to work in, and very few of the rights we enjoy today would be ours.

The workers CHOSE to be unemployed? WHAT? When on earth did that happen? How old are you? No offence, i'm not playing the age card, it's just...i remember the early 80s, and thats not what happened at all.

And you obviously have no idea about the housing market - i'm a university graduate with seven years experience in my job, earning a decent wage, living in one of the poorest areas of the country and i can't afford to get a house and have to rent - what does that say for the rest of the country, for those without the qualifications and experience and job stability i have?

And as for trade unions...without trade unions, this country would have been a hell hole for anyone to work in, and very few of the rights we enjoy today would be ours.

Yes, you know. "I'm a lazy miner...scab *throws rock at people trying to work*". I'm 14 and I couldn't care less if you play your age card.

As I understand it, Manchester is full of extremely cheap terraced houses.

Yes, trade unions are great, but they had too much power before Thatcher.

Yes, you know. "I'm a lazy miner...scab *throws rock at people trying to work*". I'm 14 and I couldn't care less if you play your age card.

As I understand it, Manchester is full of extremely cheap terraced houses.

Yes, trade unions are great, but they had too much power before Thatcher.

My father was a miner. He went on strike to PROTECT his job, for an entire year. We lived on handouts from family relatives, we scraped by to survive, when he wasn't scraping out an existence for his children, he was travelling the country, being harassed by the police and fighting to KEEP his job. That was not lazy. That wasn't the reality of the situation. The reality of the situation was that the British Isles had over 100 years of sustainable coal left, and the Thatcher government set up a mine closure program to take revenge for the fall of the Heath government in the 70s. They closed PROFITABLE pits whilst importing cheap coal from third world dictatorships. They used the green card when all it would have taken was a refitting of the coal fired power stations and the emissions would have been halved. Now we are dependent on foreign fuel, and the price rises every year. Now we are dragged into the "lets go nuclear" debate (Nuclear power produced a hundredth of the electricity as the coal mines, at ten times the cost).

Laziness? No. Standing up for the right to work against an attack motivated purely and entirely by party political allegiances. People can say the miners and their leadership did themselves no favours, i accept that viewpoint. But the attack would have come if they had been led by Mother Theresa.

Define "cheap".

My father was a miner. He went on strike to PROTECT his job, for an entire year. We lived on handouts from family relatives, we scraped by to survive, when he wasn't scraping out an existence for his children, he was travelling the country, being harassed by the police and fighting to KEEP his job. That was not lazy. That wasn't the reality of the situation. The reality of the situation was that the British Isles had over 100 years of sustainable coal left, and the Thatcher government set up a mine closure program to take revenge for the fall of the Heath government in the 70s. They closed PROFITABLE pits whilst importing cheap coal from third world dictatorships. They used the green card when all it would have taken was a refitting of the coal fired power stations and the emissions would have been halved. Now we are dependent on foreign fuel, and the price rises every year. Now we are dragged into the "lets go nuclear" debate (Nuclear power produced a hundredth of the electricity as the coal mines, at ten times the cost).

Laziness? No. Standing up for the right to work against an attack motivated purely and entirely by party political allegiances. People can say the miners and their leadership did themselves no favours, i accept that viewpoint. But the attack would have come if they had been led by Mother Theresa.

Define "cheap".


Oh, so that's why you hate Thatcher arbitrarily.

Oh, I very much doubt that Mother Theresa would have supported such thuggery.

Cheap is less than £50k. Not that many years work. (obviously this is not the sort of house you would actually want to live in)

Oh, so that's why you hate Thatcher arbitrarily.

Oh, I very much doubt that Mother Theresa would have supported such thuggery.

Cheap is less than £50k. Not that many years work.

One of the many reasons i dislike her, to be fair. I disliked her when she was elected and she hadn't done anything to me.

Heh. And of course you've seen a picket line? You've been on one? You've faced baton charges by policemen on horseback? And you are then able to pronounce it as thuggery?

You can't get a house in Manchester for under 50k. Leastways, a house worth living in for under 50k. House prices in South Wales are the cheapest in the UK and they usually go for 40-50k nowadays. And whilst you say "not that many years work", you do realise that if you earn - say - £17,000 a year, you take home closer to £14,000, you have to spend money on essentials like food, lighting, electricity, gas, water rates, council tax etc...

I pay £300 a month rent on a shared house, from a £18k a year wage. Thats £3600 a year. Thats about the most i can manage and still afford to live. Whats 50,000 divided by 3600? (don't forget compound interest on a mortgage, stamp duty, estate agent fees etc)

One of the many reasons i dislike her, to be fair. I disliked her when she was elected and she hadn't done anything to me.

Heh. And of course you've seen a picket line? You've been on one? You've faced baton charges by policemen on horseback? And you are then able to pronounce it as thuggery?

Of course I haven't. I'm not the sort of person to throw rocks at decent, hard-working people.

You can't get a house in Manchester for under 50k. Leastways, a house worth living in for under 50k. House prices in South Wales are the cheapest in the UK and they usually go for 40-50k nowadays. And whilst you say "not that many years work", you do realise that if you earn - say - £17,000 a year, you take home closer to £14,000, you have to spend money on essentials like food, lighting, electricity, gas, water rates, council tax etc...

I said, "a house you'd want to live in".

I pay £300 a month rent on a shared house, from a £18k a year wage. Thats £3600 a year. Thats about the most i can manage and still afford to live. Whats 50,000 divided by 3600? (don't forget compound interest on a mortgage, stamp duty, estate agent fees etc)

What's wrong with renting a shared house? You'll earn enough to get a home of your own sooner or later.

Of course I haven't. I'm not the sort of person to throw rocks at decent, hard-working people.



I said, "a house you'd want to live in".



What's wrong with renting a shared house? You'll earn enough to get a home of your own sooner or later.

You can get a house you want to live in for £50,000 in Manchester? I repeat, you cannot get one in Wales. I live in Wales. Where in Manchester? Show me house prices, show me estate agents webpages. I'll move.

Some "scabs" were decent hardworking people, who had to make a difficult choice and - i believe - made the wrong one. And just as many were mercenary scum shafting their fellow man. The incidents of violence from the pickets were nowhere near as widespread as the media reportage before and after would have you believe.

Nothing wrong with renting a shared house. That wasn't my point. My point is many people cannot afford to buy (especially with the new methods of mortgages, where instead of saying "ok, three times your yearly salary" they say "ok, four times the yearly money you have left after everything else is paid" which...kinda takes me down from the £51k level to the £25k level). You ever wonder why the amount of people living at home into their mid 30s is inexorably rising? It's nothing to do with laziness or being afraid of the real world you know...

You can get a house you want to live in for £50,000 in Manchester? I repeat, you cannot get one in Wales. I live in Wales. Where in Manchester? Show me house prices, show me estate agents webpages. I'll move.

Oops, I misquoted myself. "(obviously this is not the sort of house you would actually want to live in)", is what I said, originally.

Some "scabs" were decent hardworking people, who had to make a difficult choice and - i believe - made the wrong one. And just as many were mercenary scum shafting their fellow man. The incidents of violence from the pickets were nowhere near as widespread as the media reportage before and after would have you believe.

Oh I see, because they went to work against the wishes of some of their colleagues, it was right to throw rocks at them. :rolleyes:

Nothing wrong with renting a shared house. That wasn't my point. My point is many people cannot afford to buy (especially with the new methods of mortgages, where instead of saying "ok, three times your yearly salary" they say "ok, four times the yearly money you have left after everything else is paid" which...kinda takes me down from the £51k level to the £25k level). You ever wonder why the amount of people living at home into their mid 30s is inexorably rising? It's nothing to do with laziness or being afraid of the real world you know...

There are always interest-free credit cards. You can move debts around on them for quite some time.

Oops, I misquoted myself. "(obviously this is not the sort of house you would actually want to live in)", is what I said, originally.



Oh I see, because they went to work against the wishes of some of their colleagues, it was right to throw rocks at them. :rolleyes:



There are always interest-free credit cards. You can move debts around on them for quite some time.

(1) Precisely
(2) i think you missed the bit where i said it wasn't as widespread as the media reported. Plus, given what was being done to the communities in question, anger at those complicit in this is understandable. Right? Dunno.
(3) Nah, debt and the encouragement of debt is what keeps the worker down. Get you worrying about your bills constantly, get you always focused on your money situation, and you don't notice when they take some more of your rights away. It's the oldest game in town. They used to do it in the 1800s with "company towns"...

(1) Precisely
(2) i think you missed the bit where i said it wasn't as widespread as the media reported. Plus, given what was being done to the communities in question, anger at those complicit in this is understandable. Right? Dunno.
(3) Nah, debt and the encouragement of debt is what keeps the worker down. Get you worrying about your bills constantly, get you always focused on your money situation, and you don't notice when they take some more of your rights away. It's the oldest game in town. They used to do it in the 1800s with "company towns"...

1)Well, I never said the houses were desirable (except in that misquotation of myself)

2)Understandable? Perfectly. Legal and just? No.

3)Still, it is feasible.

I used to be Strong-Minded