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I have a question....Why is it when people say "Black Power" or something to that effect, its empowering and a good thing, but when whites say "White Power" or any phrase expressing whites getting empowerment, its rascist?

I don't see why any particular race needs "power!"

Unless they were being extremely oppressed at the time and need some sort of motivation as a group of people to fight for their rights.

(Oh, and it's a double standard anyway. I myself try not to say "Latino Power!" because I don't see the point in it in the first place, unless I wanna piss off some white supremicist)

I have a question....Why is it when people say "Black Power" or something to that effect, its empowering and a good thing, but when whites say "White Power" or any phrase expressing whites getting empowerment, its rascist?

Empowerment can be racist too, no?

Latino Power! :p

It's the same as why it's viewed normal that only Black People can excessively use the N-word. Your rights for chanting supermacism have been revoked because of your naughty behaviour. Blame your ancestors.

I have a question....Why is it when people say "Black Power" or something to that effect, its empowering and a good thing, but when whites say "White Power" or any phrase expressing whites getting empowerment, its rascist?
This, my friend, is what is known as a "double standard." Foolish people like Democrats and Republicans practice them all the time. People who have sense, like Libertarians, try to avoid double standards.

...

Okay so that's actually bullshit. I try to avoid double standards. I dunno about anyone elese though.

I have a question....Why is it when people say "Black Power" or something to that effect, its empowering and a good thing, but when whites say "White Power" or any phrase expressing whites getting empowerment, its rascist?

Usually because the people running around shouting "White Power!" are either wearing KKK bedsheets or are bald and have swastika tattoos. That's just off the bat associated with hate crimes and the like.

White power is no good. Black power is the only way to go. Coal, oil, solar cells, they're all black. If you had a white solar cell it would be useless.

Eskimo power?
What would that be ... beige power?

White power is no good. Black power is the only way to go. Coal, oil, solar cells, they're all black. If you had a white solar cell it would be useless.
Perfectly executed. Perfectly.

White power is no good. Black power is the only way to go. Coal, oil, solar cells, they're all black. If you had a white solar cell it would be useless.

Hmmm...never thought of it that way.

White power is no good. Black power is the only way to go. Coal, oil, solar cells, they're all black. If you had a white solar cell it would be useless.

what about corn? Or algae? Or enriched uranium?

what about corn? Or algae? Or enriched uranium?
Yellow(cake) power!

In my opinion, the phrases "Latino Power," "Black Power," "White Power," the N-word, etc. are all racial supremecist monikers, and there fore should not be used. We are all Human Beings, and therefore no one race or ethnicity should be empowered at the expense of another. To quote the AP Test guy in Stand and Deliver, "There are two kinds of Racism, giving a group special treatment because of their skin, and not giving a group special treatment because of the color of their skin." It is why I oppose Affirmaive Action, along with this quote, "I have a dream, that someday my children will be judged, not on the color of their skin, but on the content of their character." Affirmative Action betrays Martin Luther King's dream.

White power is no good. Black power is the only way to go. Coal, oil, solar cells, they're all black. If you had a white solar cell it would be useless.

SO TRUE.

Set phasers to IGNORE, Captain!!!

Set phasers to IGNORE, Captain!!!
...what, because he has a point? Or are you not even bothering to read the post and are just saying this based on the title?

White flour!

...what, because he has a point? Or are you not even bothering to read the post and are just saying this based on the title?

Most likely the title. And it's a she, if I remember correctly.

White flour!

Yellow cornmeal!

It's the same as why it's viewed normal that only Black People can excessively use the N-word. Your rights for chanting supermacism have been revoked because of your naughty behaviour. Blame your ancestors.

About that; Black People are some of the biggest hypocrites EVER. They intentionally misuse words and then want to get mad when others call them ignorant. Elderly black people also often take credit for what happened to SOME people."******" or "nigga" as black people say, is a term used to bring black people down and embarrass them during times of slavery. Yet black people still use it nowadays and then in turn complain about how they are being surpressed. TOTAL BULLSHIT.

...what, because he has a point? Or are you not even bothering to read the post and are just saying this based on the title?
I'm a girl....

About that; Black People are some of the biggest hypocrites EVER. They intentionally misuse words and then want to get mad when others call them ignorant. Elderly black people also often take credit for what happened to SOME people."******" or "nigga" as black people say, is a term used to bring black people down and embarrass them during times of slavery. Yet black people still use it nowadays and then in turn complain about how they are being surpressed. TOTAL BULLSHIT.
Actually, you're second usage of the N word is actual a term of endearment, I believe.

I think it depends on the motivation behind the statement. I have never known anyone who espoused "white power" to have a selfless motivation. How about Me! Power? Practicing Me! Power might raise one's self-esteem to the point that they no longer have to over-identify with race.

Set phasers to IGNORE, Captain!!!

Of course Super-power would want to ignore the question of "white power" versus "black power". :cool:

I'm a girl....
My apologies madam.

As for the hypocritical bit: everyone is a hypocrite in some way or another. It's to be expected.

About that; Black People are some of the biggest hypocrites EVER. They intentionally misuse words and then want to get mad when others call them ignorant. Elderly black people also often take credit for what happened to SOME people."******" or "nigga" as black people say, is a term used to bring black people down and embarrass them during times of slavery. Yet black people still use it nowadays and then in turn complain about how they are being surpressed. TOTAL BULLSHIT.

lol, you posting that is a double standard. Think about it. If a white guy complains about black people being hypocrits, it's racist. But if a black guy complains about "honkies" being rich and being racist, it's totally ok.

Cure double standards.
Quickly my brothers and sisters, let us jump into a purple dye vat!

lol, you posting that is a double standard. Think about it. If a white guy complains about black people being hypocrits, it's racist. But if a black guy complains about "honkies" being rich and being racist, it's totally ok.

Huh?

And I'd prefer a nice teal.

Cure double standards.
Quickly my brothers and sisters, let us jump into a purple dye vat!
Amen.

I think it depends on the motivation behind the statement. I have never known anyone who espoused "white power" to have a selfless motivation. How about Me! Power? Practicing Me! Power might raise one's self-esteem to the point that they no longer have to over-identify with race.

It'd be hard not to over identify with one's race. Ones ethnictiy could be troublesome however. As far as motivation, any group espousing "[IEGOYC] Power!" is of suspect motivations already.

Cure double standards.
Quickly my brothers and sisters, let us jump into a purple dye vat!
Amen.

Again, purple's not really my color...

Using a world sample, white people tend to have more body fat and thus you can extract more power from them when you render them down into bio-diesel.

lol, you posting that is a double standard. Think about it. If a white guy complains about black people being hypocrits, it's racist. But if a black guy complains about "honkies" being rich and being racist, it's totally ok.

Cure double standards.
Quickly my brothers and sisters, let us jump into a purple dye vat!

:D

Then it'd be dumbasses arguing over "violet/mauve/magenta/indigo/lilac power". :(

Using a world sample, white people tend to have more body fat and thus you can extract more power from them when you render them down into bio-diesel.

Chinese food is greasier though.

Chinese food is greasier though.

Compare the girth of the average German to that of the average Chinese. The German wins belly down. Remember kids, when you need the energy to keep your stereo pumping, white power bio-diesel is there for you!

Compare the girth of the average German to that of the average Chinese. The German wins belly down. Remember kids, when you need the energy to keep your stereo pumping, white power bio-diesel is there for you!

Yeah, but factor in how many Chinese there are.

About that; Black People are some of the biggest hypocrites EVER. They intentionally misuse words and then want to get mad when others call them ignorant. Elderly black people also often take credit for what happened to SOME people."******" or "nigga" as black people say, is a term used to bring black people down and embarrass them during times of slavery. Yet black people still use it nowadays and then in turn complain about how they are being surpressed. TOTAL BULLSHIT.

Niggerly is olde English for 'measly' and 'cheap'. It's the turn of society. They're using it now because it has no value to them, but it's a racial weapon they utilise against others.

Interesting how you say that Black People are the biggest hypocrites ever. Each race has plenty of hypocrits. You're not racist, are you?

Yeah, but factor in how many Chinese there are.
I hear someone in China threw an eight-year-old in a trash compactor.

I hear someone in China threw an eight-year-old in a trash compactor.

Cool...

what about corn? Or algae? Or enriched uranium?
Enriched uranium is black too.

Cool...
Have you ever seen trash after it's been compacted by one of those things? Not cool. Furthermore, the compact compacts SLOWLY. The kid would have suffered immense pain of all sorts, not to mention horrible fear.

black people are still breaking out of their slavery life style. even though slavery was generations ago the young black people today still feel the psychological effects from their ancestors

and the white man (every white person) is against them in every way

WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER!

.... Damn, I'm getting sweaty in this outfit.

HOT SHOWER! HOT SHOWER!

black people are still breaking out of their slavery life style. even though slavery was generations ago the young black people today still feel the psychological effects from their ancestors

and the white man (every white person) is against them in every way
Ahahahahahaha no.

First off, I despise the term "the white man." It's as if all Caucasians are one entity. That is idiotic and frankly pathetic.

Secondly, I doubt most young blacks are suffering any psychological effects from their ancestors. They never went through it and as such don't have a basis for feeling anything.

Third, if we continue to act like this and spout off terms like "the white man" and "******" and anything else, we're not going to get anywhere. People need to just shut the FUCK up and LET IT GO. We're all human, and rather than acting like you're special because of your skin color, you should realize that and shut your damned mouth.

black people are still breaking out of their slavery life style. even though slavery was generations ago the young black people today still feel the psychological effects from their ancestors

and the white man (every white person) is against them in every wayIncluding, of course, Eminem (Marshall Mathers) :rolleyes:

Enriched uranium is black too.

Bwa? That's the oxide, or the rust. It's really more silvery metallic.

Have you ever seen trash after it's been compacted by one of those things? Not cool. Furthermore, the compact compacts SLOWLY. The kid would have suffered immense pain of all sorts, not to mention horrible fear.

Well, by my response, you should have assumed three possible reasons:

[1] I don't know what a trash compactor is, despite the obvious name.
[2] I'm a sadistic maniac who hates kids.
[3] I was sarcastic.

Now, given the fact that I was not following the claim with a smilie, or wasn't writing with a sarcastic 'tone', you could cross number 3 off. I'm a fairly logical minded person from my own point of view, but I do hate kids to a degree, not to the extend on which I have an urge to destroy them, just ignore them, but you can cross number 2 off.

Therefore by process of elimination you could have guess that I didn't know what a trash compactor was, since things are fairly misleading nowadays. So you can find that I was assuming by 'trash compactor' you mean garbage can.

Bwa? That's the oxide, or the rust. It's really more silvery metallic.
Meh, close enough. So it's not as racially pure as oil and coal.

Including, of course, Eminem (Marshall Mathers) :rolleyes:

He's taking the one thing we got to ourselves man! Our music!

He's taking the one thing we got to ourselves man! Our music!
No no, he's second banana to "Vanilla Ice" (!)

And, btw, what about the *rumours* of grotesquely large genitalia, ever more satisfying than the white guy?

Well, by my response, you should have assumed three possible reasons:

[1] I don't know what a trash compactor is, despite the obvious name.
[2] I'm a sadistic maniac who hates kids.
[3] I was sarcastic.

Now, given the fact that I was not following the claim with a smilie, or wasn't writing with a sarcastic 'tone', you could cross number 3 off. I'm a fairly logical minded person from my own point of view, but I do hate kids to a degree, not to the extend on which I have an urge to destroy them, just ignore them, but you can cross number 2 off.

Therefore by process of elimination you could have guess that I didn't know what a trash compactor was, since things are fairly misleading nowadays. So you can find that I was assuming by 'trash compactor' you mean garbage can.
...you're awesome, you know that? Were our positions reversed, I'd have hit you with that unnecessary block of text explaining my actions too. Yay for similar qualities.

Anyway, a trash compactor compacts trash into something much smaller for the ease of disposal. They are quite common in many places now.

Honestly, who gives a flying fuck? Let people chant their moronic slogans. As far as I care, there can be people shouting 'White power!', 'Black power!' or even 'orange-pink-and-sky-blue power!' as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

/..\

Look at the friendly Klansman smiley!

Ahahahahahaha no.

First off, I despise the term "the white man." It's as if all Caucasians are one entity. That is idiotic and frankly pathetic.

Secondly, I doubt most young blacks are suffering any psychological effects from their ancestors. They never went through it and as such don't have a basis for feeling anything.

Third, if we continue to act like this and spout off terms like "the white man" and "******" and anything else, we're not going to get anywhere. People need to just shut the FUCK up and LET IT GO. We're all human, and rather than acting like you're special because of your skin color, you should realize that and shut your damned mouth.

LMAO

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Secondly, I doubt most young blacks are suffering any psychological effects from their ancestors. They never went through it and as such don't have a basis for feeling anything.

Well yes, I'm not a big believer in the racial memory hypothesis. But I have been to America and seen blacks and whites interacting and I think things would be a bit better today if there hadn't been slavery.

LMAO

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You are 1/8 Indian, 1/4 black, 1/16 Norwegian, 1/16 Inuit, 1/4 Vietnamese, and 1/4 Pacific Islander.

its not alright that this double standerd exists, but as long as people keep putting forth the myth of equality when nature has made the races unequal we will still have this problem.

LMAO

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You're Saudi Arabian.

Brains: Obviously. I'm not denying that. But if we never let it go we'll never truly fix the problem. Both sides need to just drop it and get along. As I said, we're all human.

On that note, where in the U.S. did you go?

Well yes, I'm not a big believer in the racial memory hypothesis. But I have been to America and seen blacks and whites interacting and I think things would be a bit better today if there hadn't been slavery.
i agree totaly so lets send'em all back

I don't see why any particular race needs "power!"

Unless they were being extremely oppressed at the time and need some sort of motivation as a group of people to fight for their rights.

(Oh, and it's a double standard anyway. I myself try not to say "Latino Power!" because I don't see the point in it in the first place, unless I wanna piss off some white supremicist)
Precisely. If saying White Power is racist, then so is Black Power, or any other "power". End of argument.

i agree totaly so lets send'em all back

Which ones?

i agree totaly so lets send'em all back

And watch your economy collapse, and a fair chunk of the next generation of American hope go right down the drain. On the bright side, Africa would gain a lot.

Niggerly is olde English for 'measly' and 'cheap'. It's the turn of society. They're using it now because it has no value to them, but it's a racial weapon they utilise against others.

Interesting how you say that Black People are the biggest hypocrites ever. Each race has plenty of hypocrits. You're not racist, are you?

NO! Of course not! I know that because I'm around black people all the time. I AM BLACK.

Which ones?
the negros (and others but i dont want this to turn all anti imagration)

NO! Of course not! I know that because I'm around black people all the time. I AM BLACK.

No you aren't! Silly :)

black people are still breaking out of their slavery life style. even though slavery was generations ago the young black people today still feel the psychological effects from their ancestors

What of "black" populations which have historically remained overwhelmingly unenslaved?

And watch your economy collapse, and a fair chunk of the next generation of American hope go right down the drain. On the bright side, Africa would gain a lot.
o yes africa gets more crime and problems they dont need, and america well it gets a lot safer and the poor whites that need work will be able to find it

NO! Of course not! I know that because I'm around black people all the time. I AM BLACK.

with a name like deh shizzle, i would of guessed black or a white male from the suburbs that listens to rap music while living at home with both white parents and has never even seen a black person

its not alright that this double standerd exists, but as long as people keep putting forth the myth of equality when nature has made the races unequal we will still have this problem.

The worrying thing is that I think you're serious...


Please, tell us then, how are some races superior?

Well yes, I'm not a big believer in the racial memory hypothesis. But I have been to America and seen blacks and whites interacting and I think things would be a bit better today if there hadn't been slavery.
I would agree on all counts. Slavery and colonialism were two mistakes we should have never made. If only most realised that the way to limit immigration to the West would be to actually help elevate the standard of the countries we exploited, thus making our ones less attractive an alternative. Plus, this way global wealth levels would rise.

o yes africa gets more crime and problems they dont need, and america well it gets a lot safer and the poor whites that need work will be able to find it

Well, Africa gets a fair chunk of the next generation of academics, skilled professionals and accomplished businessmen/women. But hey, believe whatever crazy shit you want, Billy-Bob.

What of "black" populations which have historically remained overwhelmingly unenslaved?

are you trying to emply that black people are still slaves?

i agree totaly so lets send'em all back
Uhm.. Excuse me but if you're white, then you were not here orginally if you paid attention is history class. So if you send everyone who isnt a Native American back, you would have to go back yourself.

o yes africa gets more crime and problems they dont need, and america well it gets a lot safer and the poor whites that need work will be able to find it

AHAHAHAHA...

Oh...dear god. You are serious, aren't you? Dude, black people alone don't commit crime, others do as well. Sending black people away won't change that at all; you just won't have anyone to blame that time. Plus you'll have far more crime as your economy collapses.

And watch your economy collapse, and a fair chunk of the next generation of American hope go right down the drain. On the bright side, Africa would gain a lot.
Not quite. Immigration from Latin America is what is benefitting the US.

are you trying to emply that black people are still slaves?
negros are still enslaved in africa by other negros even now

AHAHAHAHA...

Oh...dear god. You are serious, aren't you? Dude, black people alone don't commit crime, others do as well. Sending black people away won't change that at all; you just won't have anyone to blame that time. Plus you'll have far more crime as your economy collapses.
He's hardly serious, and possibly just a troll. Ignore him.

Not quite. Immigration from Latin America is what is benefitting the US.

What, so blacks don't contribute to the US economy?

Yeah...

negros are still enslaved in africa by other negros even now
They kill each other left, right and centre. But it's not slavery. Black slavery is gone.

What, so blacks don't contribute to the US economy?

Yeah...
They do, but not to the point that the economy would collapse without them.

you just won't have anyone to blame that time. Plus you'll have far more crime as your economy collapses.

i expect to be hearing about yet another protest in all major cities called "a day without black people"

negros are still enslaved in africa by other negros even now

How is it you've existed for two years without being known about, given the claptrap you're spouting.

Uhm.. Excuse me but if you're white, then you were not here orginally if you paid attention is history class. So if you send everyone who isnt a Native American back, you would have to go back yourself.
i said nothing of all people just the ones that came over in chains

negros are still enslaved in africa by other negros even now

i beleive the majority of this thread is based in america, and i was referring to amercan black people. who are way different then africans

i said nothing of all people just the ones that came over in chains
Enlightened stance. How admirable. You'd do well to educate yourself.

negros are still enslaved in africa by other negros even now
Thats only in some parts that arent as modern as the rest. In most other parts, they are either fighting for their freedom from the oppressive govrenment or dealing with the same problems the Southern United States had in the 1930's and 40's

How is it you've existed for two years without being known about, given the claptrap you're spouting.
i'm fairly well know to older nations and the mods i go for long periods of time with out posting

Enlightened stance. How admirable. You'd do well to educate yourself.

Given his previous posts, a post of 'WHITE POWER!' really wouldn't be a surprise right now...

Thats only in some parts that arent as modern as the rest. In most other parts, they are either fighting for their freedom from the oppressive govrenment or dealing with the same problems the Southern United States had in the 1930's and 40's
Due to terrible economic policies, yeah.

Thats only in some parts that arent as modern as the rest. <snip>
hmm lets see if we whites had to put up with ice ages and winters and what not and the black had a near utopia in africa why is it the white have advanced so much faster then blacks? why were whites the ones sailing the oceans exploring why not the blacks?

On that note, where in the U.S. did you go?

Chicargo and Florida. Had some "white" friends who had tolerant beliefs but still acted pretty freaky in the presence of black people, so there is still a lot of stuff under the surface. My habit of admiring enormous american bosoms of any colour seemed to cause them some distress. Looking at white bosums was fine. Looking at black bosums made them twitchy. The "whiter" the bosum owner was, the less of a problem it seemed to be.

How is it you've existed for two years without being known about, given the claptrap you're spouting.

Intresting to read some of the old topics though:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7734108&postcount=9

Chicargo and Florida. Had some "white" friends who had tolerant beliefs but still acted pretty freaky in the presence of black people, so there is still a lot of stuff under the surface. My habit of admiring enormous american bosoms of any colour seemed to cause them some distress. Looking at white bosums was fine. Looking at black bosums made them twitchy. The "whiter" the bosum owner was, the less of a problem it seemed to be.
Why the " "? It's a colour.

Intresting to read some of the old topics though:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7734108&postcount=9

About the only interesting or non-racist thing he says...

i heard a black man give a speech about different black people

he had two different groups
black people, and niggers

niggers - these are the people that pretty much are the racist ones. they use the race card every chance they get. they are the ones that give black people a bad name (i would associate this group with the black panthers)

black people - these are normal people. they live their lifes just like everyone is supposed to. the only difference is their skin is darker. they are not looking for any free rides based on skin color

Chicargo and Florida. Had some "white" friends who had tolerant beliefs but still acted pretty freaky in the presence of black people, so there is still a lot of stuff under the surface. My habit of admiring enormous american bosoms of any colour seemed to cause them some distress. Looking at white bosums was fine. Looking at black bosums made them twitchy. The "whiter" the bosum owner was, the less of a problem it seemed to be.
hmmm chicago i think you might mean, where just 2 days ago blacks were atacking old white people in a church after a debate between a latrion rights group and the minute men was canceled by the lations.

I have a question....Why is it when people say "Black Power" or something to that effect, its empowering and a good thing, but when whites say "White Power" or any phrase expressing whites getting empowerment, its rascist?


That is a good quistion i think it is becuase people think we are like that because we used to have slaves ( well like a REALLY LONG time ago) and just to tell you i am white and i hated slavery!:mad:

Niggerly is olde English for 'measly' and 'cheap'. That defines niggardly, a word with a different etymology.

http://www.answers.com/topic/niggardly?method=22

As for "[insert race/ethnicity here] power," I think it's racist no matter who does it.

That is a good quistion i think it is becuase people think we are like that because we used to have slaves ( well like a REALLY LONG time ago) and just to tell you i am white and i hated slavery!:mad:
Oh, you lived back then? Wow.

LMAO

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lol, close

Oh, you lived back then? Wow.

Slavery still exists today.

*snip*
He is pretty much right.

hmmm chicago i think you might mean, where just 2 days ago blacks were atacking old white people in a church after a debate between a latrion rights group and the minute men was canceled by the lations.

I'm fairly sure there were crimes being commited by white people at the time old chum. Anyway, you've not stated your reasoning as to why some races (I presume white) are more superior than others (I presume blacks)

i heard a black man give a speech about different black people

he had two different groups
black people, and niggers

niggers - these are the people that pretty much are the racist ones. they use the race card every chance they get. they are the ones that give black people a bad name (i would associate this group with the black panthers)


My definition of a "******" is --anyone black, white, purple, green, blue,-- who does the above.

Cure double standards.
Quickly my brothers and sisters, let us jump into a purple dye vat!

Gladly. I love purple! :D

Many blacks (not all) are extremely hypocritical. They can say the N-word all they want and no other race can. They get all this money but they're not the ones the government owes, it's the former slaves they owe, that have been dead for almost 100 years now. And all of them have to bring up slavery. The British don't keep whining about us Americans kicking their redccoated butts back across the Atlantic Ocean 200 years ago, and we Americans don't keep calling the British by terrible slurs for treating us unfairly 230 years ago; so why don't blacks let it go? Slavery is terrible. End of story. YOU CAN STOP BEING RACIST NOW!:headbang:

And even worse, the media is STILL fond of racism, because it over-plays rap and hip-hop and the racism of the black rappers. Whites can't be rappers, because they are not *the n word* and are wiggers. :headbang:

Just a hint, if you wanted to join our culture in the first place, stop shunning it. :gundge: :headbang:

And not only are the black media icons over-playing racism, they're overplaying sexism too. :headbang:

Slavery still exists today.
Where, in the West?

That is a good quistion i think it is becuase people think we are like that because we used to have slaves ( well like a REALLY LONG time ago) and just to tell you i am white and i hated slavery!:mad:

i think you are also under the assumption that all white people owned slaves. where the fact is most white people did not own slaves

That is a good quistion i think it is becuase people think we are like that because we used to have slaves ( well like a REALLY LONG time ago) and just to tell you i am white and i hated slavery!:mad:
i've never owned a slave and i wouldnt want to

i think you are also under the assumption that all white people owned slaves. where the fact is most white people did not own slaves
dont forget the blacks that owned and sold slaves

I'm fairly sure there were crimes being commited by white people at the time old chum. Anyway, you've not stated your reasoning as to why some races (I presume white) are more superior than others (I presume blacks)

Any chance of an answer?

Just a hint, if you wanted to join our culture in the first place, stop shunning it. :gundge: :headbang:

And not only are the black media icons over-playing racism, they're overplaying sexism too. :headbang:
You make good points. But I disagree that sexism is overplayed. It is prevalent everywhere.

Why the " "? It's a colour.

Because they weren't really white, they were actually pinkish brown. They only really went white if they were cold. One of them went gray after going on a roller coaster thingy. Other times they were bright red. And then they go and call black people coloured. Bloody cheek if you ask me.

Because they weren't really white, they were actually pinkish brown. They only really went white if they were cold. One of them went gray after going on a roller coaster thingy. Other times they were bright red. And then they go and call black people coloured. Bloody cheek if you ask me.
Ah, I see. That's getting really specific though. I'll go on calling myself white. I don't change colours much anyway. :p

Gladly. I love purple! :D

Many blacks (not all) are extremely hypocritical. They can say the N-word all they want and no other race can. They get all this money but they're not the ones the government owes, it's the former slaves they owe, that have been dead for almost 100 years now. And all of them have to bring up slavery. The British don't keep whining about us Americans kicking their redccoated butts back across the Atlantic Ocean 200 years ago, and we Americans don't keep calling the British by terrible slurs for treating us unfairly 230 years ago; so why don't blacks let it go? Slavery is terrible. End of story. YOU CAN STOP BEING RACIST NOW!:headbang:

And even worse, the media is STILL fond of racism, because it over-plays rap and hip-hop and the racism of the black rappers. Whites can't be rappers, because they are not *the n word* and are wiggers. :headbang:

Just a hint, if you wanted to join our culture in the first place, stop shunning it. :gundge: :headbang:

And not only are the black media icons over-playing racism, they're overplaying sexism too. :headbang:
You are so right. But it's not JUST blacks, its just about everyone else in the media too. It may not be as bad as the whole Rap Scene, but its still there. and for the record I hate rap. I always have and always will.

Any chance of an answer?
yes white commit crimes, but not as much as black who are 6 times more like ly to comit a violent crime such as rape or murder, also blacks had their chance for a much longer time then white or even asians and never took it and if we keep lowering our standerds to make them seem equal we whites just hurt ourselves

Because they weren't really white, they were actually pinkish brown. They only really went white if they were cold. One of them went gray after going on a roller coaster thingy. Other times they were bright red. And then they go and call black people coloured. Bloody cheek if you ask me.

...

When I born, I black,
When I grow up, I black,
When I go in sun, I black,
When I cold, I black,
When I scared, I black,
When I sick, I black,
And when I die, I still black.

You white folks….
When you born, you pink,
When you grow up, you white,
When you go in sun, you red,
When you cold, you blue,
When you scared, you yellow,
When you sick, you green,
When you bruised, you purple,
And when you die, you gray!
So who you calling colored?

yes white commit crimes, but not as much as black who are 6 times more like ly to comit a violent crime such as rape or murder, also blacks had their chance for a much longer time then white or even asians and never took it and if we keep lowering our standerds to make them seem equal we whites just hurt ourselves

Where exactly are you getting your statistics from? I find them highly suspect to say the least.

EDIT: Social poverty that many blacks fidn themselves in even today also help ensure some disparity in statistics. However, that doesn't mean they're inferior. We're all the goddamn same under our skin...

Of course, we all know the ways to stop all forms of dicrimination. We eliminate our genitalia, jump in a giant vat of purple dye,create one big nation and abolish all holy texts. :gundge:

And then we destroy the Republicans and fundamentalists of every religion.:sniper:

And live happily ever after.:)

The end.:mp5:

Of diversity and everythign we've worked hard for. :mad:

Mwah ha ha.:D

obviously written by someone with great writting skills

Ah, I see. That's getting really specific though.

What can I say, I'm a specific guy.

And I just love being able to say, "No you're not," when someone claims to be white. That derails the conversation nicely.

"If you're white then Colin Powell must be white because you're darker than he is."

:fluffle: White power is no good. Black power is the only way to go. Coal, oil, solar cells, they're all black. If you had a white solar cell it would be useless.

lmao you have a serious point...i love you :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Where exactly are you getting your statistics from? I find them highly suspect to say the least.
us dept. of justice

BLAKS ARE EVIL THE RAPPE AND KILL. Us wyts nedd tu stik 2gethr so we cn rull th wrld.

What can I say, I'm a specific guy.

And I just love being able to say, "No you're not," when someone claims to be white. That derails the conversation nicely.

"If you're white then Colin Powell must be white because you're darker than he is."
If they take you seriously though, they are idiots.

us dept. of justice

Links, perchance?

Anyway, skin colour makes no difference. We're all human, no-one is inferior or superior, despite idiotic beliefs otherwise.

Of course, we all know the ways to stop all forms of dicrimination. We eliminate our genitalia, jump in a giant vat of purple dye,create one big nation and abolish all holy texts. :gundge:

And then we destroy the Republicans and fundamentalists of every religion.:sniper:

And live happily ever after.:)

The end.:mp5:

Of diversity and everythign we've worked hard for. :mad:

Mwah ha ha.:D
Seriously, Teal...Think about it.

BLAKS ARE EVIL THE RAPPE AND KILL. Us wyts nedd tu stik 2gethr so we cn rull th wrld.

WHITE POWAR!


Git mah shotgun Ma, we's goin' huntin'!

white sounds a whole lot better than cock asian

*snip*
Wow, you are the perfect n00b. Smilies (especially the gun ones), incoherent ranting etc etc. Seriously, less smilies!

Links, perchance?

Anyway, skin colour makes no difference. We're all human, no-one is inferior or superior, despite idiotic beliefs otherwise.
i dont have it right now but i'll look

WHITE POWAR!


Git mah shotgun Ma, we's goin' huntin'!

I gt mye ten gun an shute the nigars at my twn the sherif help mi. I got gaslin for the cros on the lawnn.

Originally Posted by Darknovae
*snip*

Wow, you are the perfect n00b. Smilies (especially the gun ones), incoherent ranting etc etc. Seriously, less smilies!

Well it's either get rid of our genitalia, jump in a vat of purple dye, and abolish all holy texts, or just get our IQ's higher than those of your average potted plant.

For some reason, I think the US government will go for the former. :eek:

And to get people to stop thinking I'm a n00b, I will turn the smilies off.

...
When I born, I black,
When I grow up, I black,
When I go in sun, I black,
When I cold, I black,
When I scared, I black,
When I sick, I black,
And when I die, I still black.

You white folks….
When you born, you pink,
When you grow up, you white,
When you go in sun, you red,
When you cold, you blue,
When you scared, you yellow,
When you sick, you green,
When you bruised, you purple,
And when you die, you gray!
So who you calling colored?

Awesome. :D *bows*

Where, in the West?
I'm still curious.

In responce to the topic.
'White Power' was used by the KKK, Nazi party etc so it's lumped with those groups.
Whereas 'Black Power' was protest against social-differances.

But one thing I dont understand (as someone mentioned before), any slang terms (or otherwise..) for black people, is racist and offencive.. but any slang terms for whites, is perfectly fine.. for example 'honkey', which I find VERY offencive. But because its a Black-to-White (not a W-to-B) statement, its fine...
Same if an assult happens.. White attacks black = racial assult
Black attacks white = assult

'Opressed' races have a suprising amount of freedom.
(Same way women get much cheaper car insurance :\)

In responce to the topic.
'White Power' was used by the KKK, Nazi party etc so it's lumped with those groups.
Whereas 'Black Power' was protest against social-differances.[
It's still double standards, nowadays. Agreed on your other points.


(Same way women get much cheaper car insurance :\)
Trust me, insurance agencies don't give a fuck about whether you are a woman or not. They do care though whether or not you are a more careful driver. Women just so happen to be. So they base their premiums on this. There is nothing inherently sexist or anything here. It's pure business sense.

(Same way women get much cheaper car insurance :\)

Chances are that's just women getting into fewer accidents.

but any slang terms for whites, is perfectly fine.. for example 'honkey', which I find VERY offencive. But because its a Black-to-White (not a W-to-B) statement, its fine...

Dude, i *LOVE* that word. In fact, the last time i frequented this kind of thread, i got Man in Black to take it in his title! WooT!

Our racial issues aren't going to be solved soon. It's going to take generation after generation for people to finally resist being so ignorant about racism. As for now, not much can be done. Affirmative Action is hypocritical, like has been stated (reverse discrimination). Demographically speaking, in America whites are the most pissed on, the most common reason I've heard is because "They did it to us, now we get to do it to them", which of course holds no logical ground at all. I could make a movie called "Black Chicks" and it would be extremely hilarious, but it would be labled racist inside of mere moments.

Our racial issues aren't going to be solved soon. It's going to take generation after generation for people to finally resist being so ignorant about racism. As for now, not much can be done. Affirmative Action is hypocritical, like has been stated (reverse discrimination). Demographically speaking, in America whites are the most pissed on, the most common reason I've heard is because "They did it to us, now we get to do it to them", which of course holds no logical ground at all. I could make a movie called "Black Chicks" and it would be extremely hilarious, but it would be labled racist inside of mere moments.
Although I am not entirely aware of what goes on in the US, I agree with you in general.

just my 2 cents worth on this subject

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Our racial issues aren't going to be solved soon. It's going to take generation after generation for people to finally resist being so ignorant about racism. As for now, not much can be done. Affirmative Action is hypocritical, like has been stated (reverse discrimination). Demographically speaking, in America whites are the most pissed on, the most common reason I've heard is because "They did it to us, now we get to do it to them", which of course holds no logical ground at all. I could make a movie called "Black Chicks" and it would be extremely hilarious, but it would be labled racist inside of mere moments.

Exactly!!!! *applauds*

But there are two ways to solve that problem:
1. Have everybody in the world jump into a vat of purple dye.
2. Try to raise everyone's IQ so that it is higher than that of a shovel.

Somehow the former will happen much faster than the latter.:eek:

Let our powers combine!

The only solution is a color blind society model which niether recognizes someone as black or white in any way shape or form. Some use the term reverse racism but thier is no such thing. It is RACISM plain and simple. Our society is so obsesed with race just look at the DUke case. The first info i heard about the story was that 2 white college boys had allegidly raped a black stripper. AS IF RACE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. That is the problem with society if any issue has to do with a mix of races is some way the media points it out. This is turn makes evearythign because of the power of media not a colorblind society but a racialy divided one

Racism is, in all forms, hilarious. Why, just today, I had a good laugh with several friends as we told racist jokes. I will, however, refrain from repeating them here.

The problem is that racism allows too many people an easy way out of the problems. Racist whites can blame crime and violence on blacks, and racist blacks get to blame "the white man" (as if we Caucasians are like some giant Borg Collective) whenever things don't go their way.

If people would just take responsibility for their own mistakes and problems, it would go a long way toward ending racism as a major social issue.

Q: What's the first thing you do before you tell a racist joke?
A: Look behind you.

Q: What's the first thing you do before you tell a racist joke?
A: Look behind you.


Dont forget to wisper it even if your inside your own home

People who suggest that black power is somehow as racist as white power need a fucking reality check. People who honestly believe that blacks are equal now, so they should STFU are ignorant, plain and simple.

White Power is racist because the reasons for it are racist. Whites are already in power. They already hold the keys to the cultural capital of society. They don't need power. The only possible reason for slogans such as White Power, is to ostracise another group of people, to deny them access to the cultural capital of the society. The motivations for it are quite different.

Blacks use it as a symbol of the struggle for equality. And no, they are not equal. They use the term black power, as a way of demonstrating their need to effect change through gaining power in the white man's world. Their motivation is to gain power to ensure equality, and access to the white man's knowledge, the white man's opportunities etc.

The above is not very well explained, but I'm studying Japanese right now. Will come back later.

The ULTIMATE SOLUTION TO RACISM

RAISE YOUR IQ ABOVE THAT OF A SHOVEL!

God! :headbang:

Racism is, in all forms, hilarious. Why, just today, I had a good laugh with several friends as we told racist jokes. I will, however, refrain from repeating them here.

The problem is that racism allows too many people an easy way out of the problems. Racist whites can blame crime and violence on blacks, and racist blacks get to blame "the white man" (as if we Caucasians are like some giant Borg Collective) whenever things don't go their way.

If people would just take responsibility for their own mistakes and problems, it would go a long way toward ending racism as a major social issue.


Oh yes, why how dare people suggest that there is any external influence on their ability to achieve. As a school teacher, I know all about the pervasiveness of white privelige. I see it every day. And I see how blind students are to it, the black and the white. We as a society have done such a marvelous job of convincing everyone that the only reason that black people don't succeed is that they are not trying hard enough, that any black person who dares to suggest that it is in fact because of race is seen as a whiner and increasingly as a racist. My black students have just about given up, because they now believe themselves to be inferior. After all, they are equal, everyone tells them so. It must be their fault.

errr...brown power:confused:

Somehow I have this feeling that people will laugh when I say that.

People who suggest that black power is somehow as racist as white power need a fucking reality check. People who honestly believe that blacks are equal now, so they should STFU are ignorant, plain and simple.

White Power is racist because the reasons for it are racist. Whites are already in power. They already hold the keys to the cultural capital of society. They don't need power. The only possible reason for slogans such as White Power, is to ostracise another group of people, to deny them access to the cultural capital of the society. The motivations for it are quite different.

Blacks use it as a symbol of the struggle for equality. And no, they are not equal. They use the term black power, as a way of demonstrating their need to effect change through gaining power in the white man's world. Their motivation is to gain power to ensure equality, and access to the white man's knowledge, the white man's opportunities etc.

The above is not very well explained, but I'm studying Japanese right now. Will come back later.


Reverse racism... A crock of shit. Black panthers are part of this BLACK POWER movement. Acording to BLACK POWER groups like them I am racist simply because my ancestors owned slaves, Which they did not, because my ancestors were enslaved by the british (ever heard of ireland colonization?) But it doesnt matter to them. Simply because my skin is white I AM a racist or somehow part of a racist conspericy to destroy blacks.

these "Black Power" Nut jobs are no better than the nazi groups or "WHite Power" Groups. ALL OF THEM ARE BUNCH OF DEPLORABLE RACISTS AND BIGOTS

errr...brown power:confused:

Somehow I have this feeling that people will laugh when I say that.


LOL :D "LUKE...Trust in your feelings"

Reverse racism... A crock of shit. Black panthers are part of this BLACK POWER movement. Acording to BLACK POWER groups like them I am racist simply because my ancestors owned slaves, Which they did not, because my ancestors were enslaved by the british (ever heard of ireland colonization?) But it doesnt matter to them. Simply because my skin is white I AM a racist or somehow part of a racist conspericy to destroy blacks.

these "Black Power" Nut jobs are no better than the nazi groups or "WHite Power" Groups. ALL OF THEM ARE BUNCH OF DEPLORABLE RACISTS AND BIGOTS

Oh yes, it is so tough for you white middle-class Christian males to get ahead in life. I feel so much pain for you.

Oh yes, it is so tough for you white middle-class Christian males to get ahead in life. I feel so much pain for you.

Christ yes. I slept in this morning and ruined my schedule. People don't apreciate how hard it is to be pink and rich.

So what's with all the Nazi symps showing up on NS lately?

God I hate Nazi symps. Especially the ones who pussyfoot around the fact that they're fucking Nazi symps.

* Yellow power *

Doesn't work

* China power *

Sounds stupid

* Sino power *

Nope

* Ching power *

Dumb

* Asian power *

Not working

<gives up>

Christ yes. I slept in this morning and ruined my schedule. People don't apreciate how hard it is to be pink and rich.

Oh the humanity! How dare those uppity, icky coloured people expect to have equal rights, and access to resources, when we have schedules to maintain? It's just so thoughtless of them.

;)

Oh the humanity! How dare those uppity, icky coloured people expect to have equal rights, and access to resources, when we have schedules to maintain? It's just so thoughtless of them.

Things got so hectic I had to cancel my afternoon nap.

Things got so hectic I had to cancel my afternoon nap.

oh you poor thing. See, they tried to warn us this would happen if we started being all tolerant. Next thing you know, we'll only get 2 breaks a day at work.

So what's with all the Nazi symps showing up on NS lately?

God I hate Nazi symps. Especially the ones who pussyfoot around the fact that they're fucking Nazi symps.
For fuck's sake, say sympathisers! Symps...Yuck.

Eskimo power?
What would that be ... beige power?
White Power...snow cover..eskimoes are the only complete white people...

White Power...snow cover..eskimoes are the only complete white people...
No, albino eskimos are the only complete white people.
*tsk*
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oh you poor thing. See, they tried to warn us this would happen if we started being all tolerant. Next thing you know, we'll only get 2 breaks a day at work.

Oh, I don't work! Heaven forbid! If worked I might perspire, or worse!

Let our powers combine!
...and now, the waiting game ...

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Blacks use it as a symbol of the struggle for equality. And no, they are not equal. They use the term black power, as a way of demonstrating their need to effect change through gaining power in the white man's world. Their motivation is to gain power to ensure equality, and access to the white man's knowledge, the white man's opportunities etc.

The above is not very well explained, but I'm studying Japanese right now. Will come back later.

Mule fritters, there was a struggle for equal rights decades ago which they won, now "Black Power" is nothing more than a slogan for rent-seeking, usually to the benefit of frauds like Jackson and Sharpton and not to the benefit of the average black man. The latter has been made progressively worse off, in spite of all the welfare, and all the affirmative action, etcetera over the last 40 years, perhaps because of all this help, since they've been given no incentive to improve their lot in life, and a convenient scapegoat for the blame.

I do not mean to blame blacks for their lot in life, any group given the type of "help" they've been given will end up in this situation. I blame people like you, and especially those in government who think as you do.

I'm afraid that what you're pushing has not only been tried before, and failed, but will actually make racism more pronounced. It has also perpetuated poverty and crime, with regard to the former, black Americans are per capita worse off now than 50 years ago.

The only way to remove racism is the promotion of individualism.

About that; Black People are some of the biggest hypocrites EVER. Are we now?

They intentionally misuse words and then want to get mad when others call them ignorant.Do I now?

Elderly black people also often take credit for what happened to SOME people.Damn them. They should just shut the fuck up, it's not like the suffered through segregation or anything!

"******" or "nigga" as black people say, is a term used to bring black people down and embarrass them during times of slavery. Yet black people still use it nowadays and then in turn complain about how they are being surpressed. TOTAL BULLSHIT. Damn them, all those black people going around making each other pick cotten.

wo0t! Yeah! Power to the whites? Down with anti-slaveryism!

Oh, I don't work! Heaven forbid! If worked I might perspire, or worse!

Oh, of course! I forgot myself.

Mule fritters, there was a struggle for equal rights decades ago which they won, now "Black Power" is nothing more than a slogan for rent-seeking, usually to the benefit of frauds like Jackson and Sharpton and not to the benefit of the average black man. The latter has been made progressively worse off, in spite of all the welfare, and all the affirmative action, etcetera over the last 40 years, perhaps because of all this help, since they've been given no incentive to improve their lot in life, and a convenient scapegoat for the blame.

I do not mean to blame blacks for their lot in life, any group given the type of "help" they've been given will end up in this situation. I blame people like you, and especially those in government who think as you do.

I'm afraid that what you're pushing has not only been tried before, and failed, but will actually make racism more pronounced. It has also perpetuated poverty and crime, with regard to the former, black Americans are per capita worse off now than 50 years ago.

The only way to remove racism is the promotion of individualism.

So we gave 'em the right to vote, so they should STFU? I'm merely suggesting that we take a good hard look at ourselves. Why is the infant mortality rate so much higher for Aboriginals than white people? Why are their education levels so much lower than those of white people? And don't give me this trash about it all being poverty or laziness either. Why are they more likely to end up on drugs, in prison, or pregnant at a young age? Racism permeates every corner and every aspect of society. It's just better hidden nowadays.

Aboriginies in Australia are paid to be lazy, they are paid to live in these squalid dwellings, they are paid to stay out of the economic life of Australia. Of course they are doing badly, they are paid to do badly. When they inevitably fail (as they are paid to do), they are excused, and offered the next handout.

In addition, there are thousands of white hangers-on who derive considerable wealth from perpetuating Aboriginal problems through government "assistance".

Let me tell you about different types of problem solving.

I am a computer technician, which is a nice way of saying that I am employed to solve problems. However, I am employed to solve discretely definable with reachable solutions that are measurable. You can measure whether or not a network is operating objectively.

There is another type of problem solver, however. Unlike me, this type cannot be found in the private sector because they "solve" problems that are not discretely definable, and whose definitions can be changed from year to year. The definition of poverty has changed over the decades to the point that what is now defined as poverty was many decades ago decadence. These "problem-solvers" are found in government, and those organisations connected to government. Unlike me, they've not solved a single problem, instead they've spent billions in some places, trillions in others on perpetuating the problem by paying for it to continue, and redefining the problem upwards when those to be helped improve their lot.

It is these "problem-solvers", who you seem to think hold solutions who are the racists. They have decided to impose an internal exile on Aboriginies, and pay them to fail, live miserably between squalid government-owned housing and prisons, and generally remain uneducated and drug-ridden.

Beyond guaranteeing them the same rights as the rest of the population, every government initiative to help Aboriginies has utterly failed to help them. That is of course not to say the programs didn't accomplish their purpose, jobs and money for oh-so guilty patronising middle-class whites like you.

You are right that it is the fault of whites, but you are right for entirely the wrong reasons.

Aboriginies in Australia are paid to be lazy, they are paid to live in these squalid dwellings, they are paid to stay out of the economic life of Australia. Of course they are doing badly, they are paid to do badly. When they inevitably fail (as they are paid to do), they are excused, and offered the next handout.

In addition, there are thousands of white hangers-on who derive considerable wealth from perpetuating Aboriginal problems through government "assistance".

Let me tell you about different types of problem solving.

I am a computer technician, which is a nice way of saying that I am employed to solve problems. However, I am employed to solve discretely definable with reachable solutions that are measurable. You can measure whether or not a network is operating objectively.

There is another type of problem solver, however. Unlike me, this type cannot be found in the private sector because they "solve" problems that are not discretely definable, and whose definitions can be changed from year to year. The definition of poverty has changed over the decades to the point that what is now defined as poverty was many decades ago decadence. These "problem-solvers" are found in government, and those organisations connected to government. Unlike me, they've not solved a single problem, instead they've spent billions in some places, trillions in others on perpetuating the problem by paying for it to continue, and redefining the problem upwards when those to be helped improve their lot.

It is these "problem-solvers", who you seem to think hold solutions who are the racists. They have decided to impose an internal exile on Aboriginies, and pay them to fail, live miserably between squalid government-owned housing and prisons, and generally remain uneducated and drug-ridden.

Beyond guaranteeing them the same rights as the rest of the population, every government initiative to help Aboriginies has utterly failed to help them. That is of course not to say the programs didn't accomplish their purpose, jobs and money for oh-so guilty patronising middle-class whites like you.

You are right that it is the fault of whites, but you are right for entirely the wrong reasons.

I am assuming you are referring to those aborigines that still live on missions or very far out in the centre of Australia. Pray, tell me, what choice do they have? I agree with you that it is learned helplessness. But we must face facts, that this is coming from a society that is designed to keep the white man in power. Power relations are intrinsically in favour of the white man.

One example: most schools on aboriginal missions in QLD only go to year 10. That means that indigenous students who wish to study senior have to move away from their families, something that goes totally against traditional indigenous society. However, most schools in other (white) communities offer senior. Despite the school populations being similar.

1788 - Maybe 450,000 aboriginals? Possibly 700,000 or more.

1930 - 70,000 aboriginals.

2001 - 458,000 aboriginals.

Obviously something went right since 1930.

pink power! (I'm not white, I'm pink)

I am assuming you are referring to those aborigines that still live on missions or very far out in the centre of Australia. Pray, tell me, what choice do they have?

Not necessarily. Aboriginies in the cities live just almost as badly, and are basically beholden to these government-ordained tribal authorities because they own all the land, and property.

I agree with you that it is learned helplessness. But we must face facts, that this is coming from a society that is designed to keep the white man in power. Power relations are intrinsically in favour of the white man.

Unfortunately, (referring to your views on affirmative action, and government assistance) you are proposing measures that will perpetuate this power. What needs to happen is either tying assistance to specific changes, or cutting it off, which would mean that they must try to make their way in normal Australian society becoming prosperous in the marketplace. Will they still be in a fairly bad situation? Yes, but they will have a way out, a way to independence.

One example: most schools on aboriginal missions in QLD only go to year 10. That means that indigenous students who wish to study senior have to move away from their families, something that goes totally against traditional indigenous society. However, most schools in other (white) communities offer senior. Despite the school populations being similar.

I do a great many things that are not entirely accordance with my indigenous culture, I can't even speak my indigenous languages (I'm an Anglo-Celtic mutt, more or less), nor read them. I have never eaten the foods of my indigenous culture, never seen my indigenous land.

None of that has affected me in the slightest. I can function fully in society without such contact, and my desire for it is simply a matter of curiosity over part of my heritage (my late mother is of Cornish heritage). You too may be able to function fully without your indigenous culture.

Everyone has the right to practice his culture, but not at the expense of anyone else.

As to the specific offering of senior years, Year 10 is the top compulsory year, and it is my observation that most aboriginies drop out before this year anyway. Concentrating on years up to Year 10 is probably a more efficient use of resources in terms on concentrating on the grade likely to be there. The schools in the mainstream parts of the system do offer senior, and Aboriginies don't take it.


In summation, you talk a lot about white guilt, but you offer nothing except the doffing of white caps, and vague talk about power. I am talking about prosperity, I am talking about wealth. Wealth is only created, and retained in a market economy.

I liken Aboriginal Australia to a communist state, ironically set within, and run by one of the world's foremost capitalist states. The Aboriginal economy, with the exception of the few Aboriginies who have gotten out, and function in mainstream Australia (jumped over the Redfern Wall), is a disaster, and when one looks at it from the perspective of it being a communist enclave in Australia, the causes of its failure become only too clear, as to the motives.

It does not perpetuate "white power" in a general sense, it perpetuates power for a small clique of whites who hide their lust for power and wealth behind "compassion" for the poor, blighted Aboriginies. They take billions, and have actually made things worse for the Aboriginies, and better for their small group.

In taking these billions, they have made things worse for whites in general because the tax monies taken for their programs must be taken from the pockets of whites in general, not only a tax burden but significant opportunity costs.

It is not about "the white man" at all, it is about a small group of white and Aboriginal men and women in government, and government-linked NGO's, and businesses. No solution can be found while people go one about "white guilt" in general. The people who benefit from this huge fraud are the ones who push "white guilt" as a distraction from their failure.

The main urge to change this fraud comes from mainstream whites who focus on the failure to help them, and the vast resources required to fail. Apart from those who have specifically committed crimes, no white in Australia has anything to be ashamed of, they go about their business in a civil manner, they follow the laws, they harm no one.

I would like to know what you think should be done?

1788 - Maybe 450,000 aboriginals? Possibly 700,000 or more.

1930 - 70,000 aboriginals.

2001 - 458,000 aboriginals.

Obviously something went right since 1930.

Some things did, in terms of their civil and political liberties, however most things, especially in relation to their economic situation went terribly wrong.

1788 - Maybe 450,000 aboriginals? Possibly 700,000 or more.

1930 - 70,000 aboriginals.

2001 - 458,000 aboriginals.

Obviously something went right since 1930.

You do have to take into account that that 458,000 number is including all the half- and quarter-blood etc. aboriginals. There are hardly any full-blood aboriginals left. The majority of our aboriginal languages are dead or dying. Their life expectancy is 30 years less than the average Australian. Their infant mortality rate is one of the highest in the developed world.

Orc Power!

You do have to take into account that that 458,000 number is including all the half- and quarter-blood etc. aboriginals. There are hardly any full-blood aboriginals left. The majority of our aboriginal languages are dead or dying. Their life expectancy is 30 years less than the average Australian. Their infant mortality rate is one of the highest in the developed world.

That is the other problem, the sheer difficulty of finding a useful defintion of Aborigine. After over 200 years of contact with a non-aboriginal population, a huge amount of interbreeding has occured.

You can define aborigine however you like, depending on your motives, as the gentleman, or lady you quoted did, and you can question any definition in any way you like, as you did.

I have some Aboriginal blood. I also have Swedish blood, Irish blood, Scottish blood, Cornish blood, probably some English, and who knows what else.

1788 - Maybe 450,000 aboriginals? Possibly 700,000 or more.

1930 - 70,000 aboriginals.

2001 - 458,000 aboriginals.

Obviously something went right since 1930.

The 2001 figure is supposed to be from the Australian census.

The objections Saint Jade and I raised still apply. The people running the 2001 Census, and answering the questions have a particular definition of "Aborigine" with which anyone can agree, or disagree.

Not necessarily. Aboriginies in the cities live just almost as badly, and are basically beholden to these government-ordained tribal authorities because they own all the land, and property.



Unfortunately, (referring to your views on affirmative action, and government assistance) you are proposing measures that will perpetuate this power. What needs to happen is either tying assistance to specific changes, or cutting it off, which would mean that they must try to make their way in normal Australian society becoming prosperous in the marketplace. Will they still be in a fairly bad situation? Yes, but they will have a way out, a way to independence.



I do a great many things that are not entirely accordance with my indigenous culture, I can't even speak my indigenous languages (I'm an Anglo-Celtic mutt, more or less), nor read them. I have never eaten the foods of my indigenous culture, never seen my indigenous land.

None of that has affected me in the slightest. I can function fully in society without such contact, and my desire for it is simply a matter of curiosity over part of my heritage (my late mother is of Cornish heritage). You too may be able to function fully without your indigenous culture.

Everyone has the right to practice his culture, but not at the expense of anyone else.

As to the specific offering of senior years, Year 10 is the top compulsory year, and it is my observation that most aboriginies drop out before this year anyway. Concentrating on years up to Year 10 is probably a more efficient use of resources in terms on concentrating on the grade likely to be there. The schools in the mainstream parts of the system do offer senior, and Aboriginies don't take it.


In summation, you talk a lot about white guilt, but you offer nothing except the doffing of white caps, and vague talk about power. I am talking about prosperity, I am talking about wealth. Wealth is only created, and retained in a market economy.

I liken Aboriginal Australia to a communist state, ironically set within, and run by one of the world's foremost capitalist states. The Aboriginal economy, with the exception of the few Aboriginies who have gotten out, and function in mainstream Australia (jumped over the Redfern Wall), is a disaster, and when one looks at it from the perspective of it being a communist enclave in Australia, the causes of its failure become only too clear, as to the motives.

It does not perpetuate "white power" in a general sense, it perpetuates power for a small clique of whites who hide their lust for power and wealth behind "compassion" for the poor, blighted Aboriginies. They take billions, and have actually made things worse for the Aboriginies, and better for their small group.

In taking these billions, they have made things worse for whites in general because the tax monies taken for their programs must be taken from the pockets of whites in general, not only a tax burden but significant opportunity costs.

It is not about "the white man" at all, it is about a small group of white and Aboriginal men and women in government, and government-linked NGO's, and businesses. No solution can be found while people go one about "white guilt" in general. The people who benefit from this huge fraud are the ones who push "white guilt" as a distraction from their failure.

The main urge to change this fraud comes from mainstream whites who focus on the failure to help them, and the vast resources required to fail. Apart from those who have specifically committed crimes, no white in Australia has anything to be ashamed of, they go about their business in a civil manner, they follow the laws, they harm no one.

I would like to know what you think should be done?

I am not going to go through point by point and answer this because I have better things to do. However, nowhere did I advocate throwing money at the problems. That approach is the worst thing I can think of. All I stated was that racism is intrinsic in our institutions.

And as for calling me patronising, fuck you. You don't know me. I could based on what you've written call you a racist. However, message boards are not a place where such assumptions can be made. Point out to me where I talked about white guilt? What I stated was that the power structures in society are designed to ensure the continuation of white privilege. White knowledge, white history, white cultures are focussed on. Learning styles which are in direct opposition to those favoured by aboriginal students are used.

As to your comments about aboriginals in the city living in squalid conditions, I live in a lower class area which has a high indigenous population. You are buying into racist stereotypes. Its really strange how the white parents are the ones who live in the squalor.

And as to your point about getting by without indigenous culture. You weren't raised in your culture. You weren't inculcated with that culture's beliefs. Hence, you can't miss what you never had. However, indigenous children raised in places like Normanton, Bamaga, the Torres Strait have been raised in their traditional culture. They have been brought up with their traditional values. That is the difference.

I think it is patronising to say the least to suggest that because a large number of aboriginals don't go on to senior that we should focus our energies on years 1-10. Perhaps if the opportunity was there for them to continue in schooling, as it is for a much larger majority of white students, they would continue. Your statement is an attempt to further impede the ability of aboriginals to achieve anything in Australian mainstream society. It is a plan to marginalise them even further.

What do I think should be done?

I think the immunisation program being conducted by Leah Purcell and others is a brilliant idea. It has saved many children from diseases unheard of in white Australia for nearly a century.

I think better incentives for our better teachers to go out into these communities needs to be provided.

I think that we need to be less condescending and patronising and engage in dialogue with the elders of these communities to get their opinions on what needs to be done, and to act on them, with the assistance of community leaders, rather than assuming the Father Knows Best stance that we have for the past 2 hundred years. People are perfectly able to govern themselves when given the opportunity and respect that is needed.

I think that there should be an increased attempt to provide some form of senior schooling in every indigenous community, to increase the educational outcomes for all students.

Perhaps, rather than spending millions of dollars on housing that gets shipped out there, the government could train the communities themselves to build accomodation and facilities. This could potentially provide a sense of ownership to those communities and families and reduce vandalism and unemployment.

Lastly, I think that the government should be unrelenting in it's pursuit of aboriginal parents who mistreat their children in any way. However, removing the child from a home because the parents skills, rather than their caring and love for their children are lacking is not the way to go.

I understand where you are coming from. It's where most of white, middle-class Australia is coming from. They are the same kind of people who drive through my suburb with the windows up and the car doors locked. Or who drive around my suburb entirely. Those people are the reason I refuse to tell my students on the Gold Coast where I live. Their parents probably would want me fired in case I contaminate their children.

The objections Saint Jade and I raised still apply. The people running the 2001 Census, and answering the questions have a particular definition of "Aborigine" with which anyone can agree, or disagree.

Objections? I'm just telling you where the figure came from.

By the by disraeliland, it is my observation that most students in my area drop out by year 10. Does that mean that the high schools should stop offering senior classes?

Objections? I'm just telling you where the figure came from.

She did criticise the figure quoted, saying it included various people of mixed descent. I said that after over 200 years of interbreeding one could have any definition of aborigine one found suitable.

As to your comments about aboriginals in the city living in squalid conditions, I live in a lower class area which has a high indigenous population. You are buying into racist stereotypes. Its really strange how the white parents are the ones who live in the squalor.

I am not buying into racist stereotypes. The Aboriginal areas in the cities are generally the most run-down areas in the city, the worst being Redfern in Sydney. These areas tend to combine high unemployment, drug abuse, high crime, and a lack of education.

I think it is patronising to say the least to suggest that because a large number of aboriginals don't go on to senior that we should focus our energies on years 1-10. Perhaps if the opportunity was there for them to continue in schooling, as it is for a much larger majority of white students, they would continue. Your statement is an attempt to further impede the ability of aboriginals to achieve anything in Australian mainstream society. It is a plan to marginalise them even further.

Where they are given the opportunity almost none take it. Outside the missions, Aboriginies generally attend the same State schools as most other Australians, and they tend not to stick around. In my area, perhaps less than half-a-dozen Aborigines graduate from each high school annually.

I think the immunisation program being conducted by Leah Purcell and others is a brilliant idea. It has saved many children from diseases unheard of in white Australia for nearly a century.

Good idea.

I think that we need to be less condescending and patronising and engage in dialogue with the elders of these communities to get their opinions on what needs to be done, and to act on them, with the assistance of community leaders, rather than assuming the Father Knows Best stance that we have for the past 2 hundred years. People are perfectly able to govern themselves when given the opportunity and respect that is needed.

Good in theory, however in practice, he who pays the piper calls the tune. The government will not spend money unless it controls the spending of that money, now that is a good thing because government is trusted by the taxpayer to spend that money is the most efficient manner possible.

Aboriginal communities largely govern themselves, they are even being given now a role in criminal law (which has traditionally been the reserve of the normal state governments), and sentencing.

The main problem in the development of Aboriginal communities is not peculiar to Aboriginies, it occurs in any situation where the property is owned collectively, or by a governing body. As I said, Aboriginal communities are effectively communist enclaves, cut off from mainstream Australia, their economic problems are the result of this arrangement.

I think that there should be an increased attempt to provide some form of senior schooling in every indigenous community, to increase the educational outcomes for all students.

It would be nice, however most will simply refuse to take the opportunity. They tend to refuse it when offered.

Perhaps, rather than spending millions of dollars on housing that gets shipped out there, the government could train the communities themselves to build accomodation and facilities. This could potentially provide a sense of ownership to those communities and families and reduce vandalism and unemployment.

There is no sense of ownership because there is no ownership. All Aboriginal land, and buildings are owned by government (whether it be in the normal form, or specifically Aboriginal sub-governments like Tribal Councils).

Lastly, I think that the government should be unrelenting in it's pursuit of aboriginal parents who mistreat their children in any way. However, removing the child from a home because the parents skills, rather than their caring and love for their children are lacking is not the way to go.

I sincerely hope you are just playing the racist.

I'm not playing the racist, nor have I said anything that is racist. You are however advocating a racist measure.

White children who are mistreated are taken by the state. Secondly, what you are proposing would not come to pass in Australia. The Australian authorities won't act on aboriginal child abuse because they will be accused of creating another "stolen generation". This is another instance where the elites pushing a "white guilt" mentality has actually harmed Aborigines.

Aboriginal parents who mistreat their children should be treated with the same harshness as whites who do so

By the by disraeliland, it is my observation that most students in my area drop out by year 10. Does that mean that the high schools should stop offering senior classes?

It means that the amount of senior places offered should reflect the number of pupils who intend to advance. If that means only offering senior classes at some schools, all well and good. There is nothing to be gained by building classrooms and paying teachers to instruct people who don't even enrol.

If that means that senior places are only offered in certain areas, then so be it.

BLAKS ARE EVIL THE RAPPE AND KILL. Us wyts nedd tu stik 2gethr so we cn rull th wrld.
HAHAHAHA! Funny.

BLAKS ARE EVIL THE RAPPE AND KILL. Us wyts nedd tu stik 2gethr so we cn rull th wrld.
You do realize that you make yourself look so stupid and embarrass your whole race of "superior" whites. If I were a white supremisisit then I would classify you as a discolored colored.;)

I think it's becaue Black power is a movement of an oppressed group trying to get equal rights, whereas white power is: "sieg heil!" *shudders*

im not homo but jsut for getting things even hotter in here....

HOMO POWER!

You do realize that you make yourself look so stupid and embarrass your whole race of "superior" whites. If I were a white supremisisit then I would classify you as a discolored colored.;)

You realise that was sarcasm, right?

I think it's becaue Black power is a movement of an oppressed group trying to get equal rights, whereas white power is: "sieg heil!" *shudders*

No, "Black Power" was a movement led by gangsters who tried to hijack the civil rights movement.

1788 - Maybe 450,000 aboriginals? Possibly 700,000 or more.

1930 - 70,000 aboriginals.

2001 - 458,000 aboriginals.

Obviously something went right since 1930.
Same thing Lunatic "Flesh Skep" Goofballs apparently found out ... right hole.

Same thing Lunatic "Flesh Skep" Goofballs apparently found out ... right hole.

Like the say in the U.S. Navy, "There is no wrong hole."

:D

Like the say in the U.S. Navy, "There is no wrong hole."

:D
...or on the subs, specifically.

You do realize that you make yourself look so stupid and embarrass your whole race of "superior" whites. If I were a white supremisisit then I would classify you as a discolored colored.;)


Why does one person, no matter how wrong he or she is, embarass a whole race?

If one black man is an idiot or a racist does he embarass his whole race? Of a latino is a biggot does he embarrass his entire race? No. Races cant be embarrassed.

It boils down to cultural differences. Especially language. All the sucessful black people I know talk like white people. If all black people could stop talking in jive or ebonics or whatever they want to call it, theyd gain some communication skills and be employable. But if they arent willing to trade their culture for that of the majority, then they have to deal with the consequences, and stop bitching about the "man"

It boils down to cultural differences. Especially language. All the sucessful black people I know talk like white people. If all black people could stop talking in jive or ebonics or whatever they want to call it, theyd gain some communication skills and be employable. But if they arent willing to trade their culture for that of the majority, then they have to deal with the consequences, and stop bitching about the "man"


Why arent all deaf people destitute then?

most of them are dude, but thats not my point

:rolleyes: gosh!, every race is the same Hav'nt people learnt that!, i believe it is wrong for people to say "BLACK POWER" or "WHITE POWER" cause we are all humans beings whom all have rights (in most countries anyway)

Topic Creator... if you're who I think you are........



I'm gonna be so pissed at you. >_>;

I am not buying into racist stereotypes. The Aboriginal areas in the cities are generally the most run-down areas in the city, the worst being Redfern in Sydney. These areas tend to combine high unemployment, drug abuse, high crime, and a lack of education.
And of course this is all their fault. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that employers are more likely to hire a white man than a black one, nothing to do with the fact that they are more likely to be passed over for promotions or training opportunities, nothing to do with the fact that they are far less likely to have the skills to obtain meaningful employment, due to a lack of education.


Where they are given the opportunity almost none take it. Outside the missions, Aboriginies generally attend the same State schools as most other Australians, and they tend not to stick around. In my area, perhaps less than half-a-dozen Aborigines graduate from each high school annually.
In my area, because of the fact that A) the school near where I live makes a concerted effort to embrace their culture, and B) because they structure this in an inclusive environment, there is a far higher retention rate, equal per capita with the white students. In fact, indigenous retention rates are higher than for white females.

At the school I currently work at, there has been a concerted effort to hire teachers from indigenous backgrounds. This has led to a skyrocketing retention rate, due to the fact that indigenous students suddenly have people just like them, who can do more than run really fast, or kick a football.

In another school I did prac in, the attitude was "You've got the exact same opportunities as the white kids. We don't need to acknowledge that you are in fact not white, and we don't need to provide any additional support." When indigenous students wished to present cultural displays, they were shouted down by the white parents as being racist, excluding their children, and attempting to present the white man as a devil. Hmmm, I wonder who's a closet racist there? Perhaps not surprisingly, the indigenous students at that particular school felt undervalued and inferior. They dropped out in huge numbers. Unfortunately, where there is not a militant, active agent for indigenous students, schools tend to take this latter attitude.


Good in theory, however in practice, he who pays the piper calls the tune. The government will not spend money unless it controls the spending of that money, now that is a good thing because government is trusted by the taxpayer to spend that money is the most efficient manner possible.

Too true. I was never advocating that we throw money at the problem and say "Here, govern yourselves." In fact I was actually advocating against that. What I was suggesting was that rather than the government throw money at the problem, they actually find out what the communities want and need.


Aboriginal communities largely govern themselves, they are even being given now a role in criminal law (which has traditionally been the reserve of the normal state governments), and sentencing.


And this is part of the problem. Rather than working collaboratively with these communities, the government throws money at them and tells them to STFU.


The main problem in the development of Aboriginal communities is not peculiar to Aboriginies, it occurs in any situation where the property is owned collectively, or by a governing body. As I said, Aboriginal communities are effectively communist enclaves, cut off from mainstream Australia, their economic problems are the result of this arrangement.


So, what you are suggesting is that we forcibly relocate aboriginals to the city? But why stop at aboriginals? All rural communities face the same problems, they should all be refused the right to settle where they want, and live where their government tells them. Or are you starting to show your red neck?



It would be nice, however most will simply refuse to take the opportunity. They tend to refuse it when offered.

What opportunity? Half the white kids in my area don't have the opportunity to go on to senior.



There is no sense of ownership because there is no ownership. All Aboriginal land, and buildings are owned by government (whether it be in the normal form, or specifically Aboriginal sub-governments like Tribal Councils). There is no community sense of ownership, because the community did not create them. They were dumped there as part of a bandaid solution.



I'm not playing the racist, nor have I said anything that is racist. You are however advocating a racist measure.
Explain to me how?

White children who are mistreated are taken by the state. Secondly, what you are proposing would not come to pass in Australia. The Australian authorities won't act on aboriginal child abuse because they will be accused of creating another "stolen generation". This is another instance where the elites pushing a "white guilt" mentality has actually harmed Aborigines.

Aboriginal parents who mistreat their children should be treated with the same harshness as whites who do so

White children who are mistreated are not taken from their homes. The Australian Authorities don't act on white child abuse. If we are treating them with the same harshness, well really, we have to be a lot more lenient on indigenous parents.

And of course this is all their fault.

They aren't forced to commit crimes, however, most of their situation is the fault of the people "helping" them.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that employers are more likely to hire a white man than a black one

You say that as though it were based purely on a whim. Yet you have gone on about how black people tend to be less educated.

When indigenous students wished to present cultural displays, they were shouted down by the white parents as being racist, excluding their children, and attempting to present the white man as a devil. Hmmm, I wonder who's a closet racist there?

Someone attempting to portray the white man as a devil certainly isn't a closet racist, they are an in-you-face racist.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the indigenous students at that particular school felt undervalued and inferior. They dropped out in huge numbers. Unfortunately, where there is not a militant, active agent for indigenous students, schools tend to take this latter attitude.

That may well have been the case at your school, however around here, such things don't happen. Yet, they still drop out in large numbers relatively early in their schooling.

Too true. I was never advocating that we throw money at the problem and say "Here, govern yourselves." In fact I was actually advocating against that. What I was suggesting was that rather than the government throw money at the problem, they actually find out what the communities want and need.

What you're saying, in effect is that the money should be thrown more accurately. That might lead to a minor improvement, however it will reduce the ability of these communities to self govern because the Federal Government absolutely must account for its spending. It can't throw money away, so it must assert control over how the money is spent.

The basic problem with Aboriginal communities is not racism, it is socialism. Although Australia is one of the world's foremost capitalist countries, it enforces socialism upon its indigenous population. The economic malaise of Australia's aborigines appears to be like racism because unlike East Germany for example, socialism was not enforced on the general population. Their problems are the result of the government trying to help them, and the basic reason for it is that socialism simply doesn't work.

You say the government needs to find out and provide for the needs of Aboriginal communities. I think the idea of race has so blinded you that you have forgotten that every other government that has tried this has failed.

The needs of the white communities don't really need governments to listen and provide for them. The potential sellers try to predict these needs, and if they were right, we buy. Unless you have forgotten, whites once experienced the same poverty as Aborigines today. The difference is whites allowed the market to provide the needs of whites, and refused to allow the market to provide the needs of blacks.

And this is part of the problem. Rather than working collaboratively with these communities, the government throws money at them and tells them to STFU.

That is changing, however you must accept that if you want the government to fund something, you must allow the government to control it.

So, what you are suggesting is that we forcibly relocate aboriginals to the city? But why stop at aboriginals? All rural communities face the same problems, they should all be refused the right to settle where they want, and live where their government tells them. Or are you starting to show your red neck?

Why is it you call racist every time you see something you don't like. Shreiking doesn't constitute an argument.

I don't mind where people live, however I don't accept that they've a right to do so at my expense.

All rural communities don't face these problems.

There is no community sense of ownership, because the community did not create them. They were dumped there as part of a bandaid solution.

There is no such thing as a "community sense of ownership", and no attempt to create one, whether in indigenous societies, or anything else has succeeded. Countries like the Soviet Union tried for decades to create this idea of community ownership with general acceptance. They failed.

Ownership is an individual thing, and the failed attempts of various governments to create a collective sense of ownership show this. Societies where ownership is considered an individual thing have prospered.

The idea that we simply need a better targetted, better planned form of Aboriginal socialism is ludicrous.

If we are treating them with the same harshness, well really, we have to be a lot more lenient on indigenous parents.

That is what is racist about your proposal.

They aren't forced to commit crimes, however, most of their situation is the fault of the people "helping" them.
No, but they do tend to get harsher penalties for the same crime.



You say that as though it were based purely on a whim. Yet you have gone on about how black people tend to be less educated.

Here, I was referring to when a black person and a white person of similar education or experience go for a job. I'm not an idiot.



Someone attempting to portray the white man as a devil certainly isn't a closet racist, they are an in-you-face racist.
Oh yes, wanting to present a cultural dance and display about traditional indigenous culture is so painting the white man as a devil. How could they dare to contaminate the civilised white man's world with their savagery?



That may well have been the case at your school, however around here, such things don't happen. Yet, they still drop out in large numbers relatively early in their schooling.

So now we come to the crux of the matter. You're racial profiling. The ATSI persons you have encountered happen to be this way inclined therefore all of them must be. However, as I demonstrated, given the right kind of support, they are quite prepared to stay at schools that are inclusive of their rights.



What you're saying, in effect is that the money should be thrown more accurately. That might lead to a minor improvement, however it will reduce the ability of these communities to self govern because the Federal Government absolutely must account for its spending. It can't throw money away, so it must assert control over how the money is spent.

The basic problem with Aboriginal communities is not racism, it is socialism. Although Australia is one of the world's foremost capitalist countries, it enforces socialism upon its indigenous population. The economic malaise of Australia's aborigines appears to be like racism because unlike East Germany for example, socialism was not enforced on the general population. Their problems are the result of the government trying to help them, and the basic reason for it is that socialism simply doesn't work.

I guess you'd be in favour of the welfare card too then?


You say the government needs to find out and provide for the needs of Aboriginal communities. I think the idea of race has so blinded you that you have forgotten that every other government that has tried this has failed. Um, actually, no. I said that the government should try a new approach and ask the communities themselves to help solve the problems. Not adopt a paternalistic stance and say, "we can fix your problems because you're too barbaric and uncivilised to do it yourself."


The needs of the white communities don't really need governments to listen and provide for them. The potential sellers try to predict these needs, and if they were right, we buy. Unless you have forgotten, whites once experienced the same poverty as Aborigines today. The difference is whites allowed the market to provide the needs of whites, and refused to allow the market to provide the needs of blacks. Actually, I also believe that the government does a disgusting job with regard to the white poor of Australia. I love how you conveniently forget them. But I guess, like with the aboriginals, they should just starve to death quietly.




Why is it you call racist every time you see something you don't like. Shreiking doesn't constitute an argument.

I don't mind where people live, however I don't accept that they've a right to do so at my expense.

All rural communities don't face these problems.

I'm merely pointing out that it is racist to suggest that one particular group of people be singled out, because of their skin colour, when another group of people do not. Let's make an attempt to be colourblind here. If we are going to prevent aboriginals from living where they choose because, as you put forth, we pay for them, then we must to ensure equality (unless you don't believe in it) force all persons who are struggling on the dole in rural communities to be relocated. After all, you're paying for them too.



There is no such thing as a "community sense of ownership", and no attempt to create one, whether in indigenous societies, or anything else has succeeded. Countries like the Soviet Union tried for decades to create this idea of community ownership with general acceptance. They failed.

Ownership is an individual thing, and the failed attempts of various governments to create a collective sense of ownership show this. Societies where ownership is considered an individual thing have prospered.

The idea that we simply need a better targetted, better planned form of Aboriginal socialism is ludicrous.

The gangs in my area would disagree with you on that. They feel a great sense of ownership of their communities.



That is what is racist about your proposal.
Please explain your comment? I was simply stating that if we are going to treat both sets of parents equally then we must be far more lenient on ATSI parents. Or we could be far harsher on white ones. Take your pick. But explain to me what is racist about that?

No, but they do tend to get harsher penalties for the same crime.

Maybe, but judicial discretion in sentencing is still a good idea, even if it is misapplied.

Here, I was referring to when a black person and a white person of similar education or experience go for a job. I'm not an idiot.

Then you're posing a strawman.

Oh yes, wanting to present a cultural dance and display about traditional indigenous culture is so painting the white man as a devil. How could they dare to contaminate the civilised white man's world with their savagery?

How do you or I know that they were or weren't. The problem with your argument is that you rely on an obscure anecodte to prove it.

So now we come to the crux of the matter. You're racial profiling. The ATSI persons you have encountered happen to be this way inclined therefore all of them must be. However, as I demonstrated, given the right kind of support, they are quite prepared to stay at schools that are inclusive of their rights.

You did not demonstrate that such a thing would work as a rule. You've an isolated example, I've a long standing trend.

Um, actually, no. I said that the government should try a new approach and ask the communities themselves to help solve the problems. Not adopt a paternalistic stance and say, "we can fix your problems because you're too barbaric and uncivilised to do it yourself."

What you ask the government to "help" you ask the government to control.

Actually, I also believe that the government does a disgusting job with regard to the white poor of Australia. I love how you conveniently forget them. But I guess, like with the aboriginals, they should just starve to death quietly.

Horse hockey. We were discussing aboriginies. You are simply bringing this in because you want desperately to be able to call someone racist.

I'm merely pointing out that it is racist to suggest that one particular group of people be singled out, because of their skin colour, when another group of people do not. Let's make an attempt to be colourblind here. If we are going to prevent aboriginals from living where they choose because, as you put forth, we pay for them, then we must to ensure equality (unless you don't believe in it) force all persons who are struggling on the dole in rural communities to be relocated. After all, you're paying for them too.

Most rural communities that are in decline don't need relocations. They do it themselves, usually fairly soon after graduating from school or university. Non-aboriginal Australia is a more or less free market, so the various factors, including labour, tend to go where it pays to go. That is the city.

This is not allowed to happen for most aboriginies. Because the rural aboriginal communities are run as communist enclaves in Australia, they are paid to stay, and can't get the wealth necessary to move. Aboriginal Australia needs to be allowed to take part in the market economy that has made the rest of Australia a highly prosperous nation.

The gangs in my area would disagree with you on that. They feel a great sense of ownership of their communities.

So, you are saying that to form community ownership, they should form criminal syndicates. That would be such an improvement. Gangs feel community ownership because they get wealth, and power by exploiting the inhabitants of the community.

The point is that community ownership is not important. The idea of needing to create community ownership sounds like the fluff that came out of the Soviet Union about the New Soviet Man.

Please explain your comment? I was simply stating that if we are going to treat both sets of parents equally then we must be far more lenient on ATSI parents. Or we could be far harsher on white ones. Take your pick. But explain to me what is racist about that?

Aboriginal children are abused at a far higher rate than non-aboriginal children.

In 2002-3, 4.9 aboriginal children were abused for each non-aboriginal in New South Wales. It was 9.7-1 in Victoria.

http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/sheets/rs10.html

There are also indications that the officials supposed to respond are hesitant so to do because of the legacy of so-called "stolen generations".