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Really now, Labour party has been getting hit time after time after time. Is anyone suprised at this massive switch to Tory?

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Really now, Labour party has been getting hit time after time after time. Is anyone suprised at this massive switch to Tory?

ti think your gay and should not care if people are surprised

ti think your gay and should not care if people are surprised
Flaming? Flaming! *Grabs popcorn* I truely didn't know this would turn into a flame war. This guy just came in, and WHAM! Ahh well.

ti think your gay and should not care if people are surprised

ti? What the heck is that? And your? Don't you mean you're? Learn some things you "gay"

ti? What the heck is that? And your? Don't you mean you're? Learn some things you "gay"
Wow. It truely IS evolving into a flame war! And all I said was that the Labour party is losing massive power to the Tory!

Wow. It truely IS evolving into a flame war! And all I said was that the Labour party is losing massive power to the Tory!

Hey I'm not flaming. I was actually just backing you up. That guy is just an idiot.

I should have put on my +1 Dwarf's Flame Robe before coming in here. :(

Should we start another thread and let this one burn? Or just ignore the second post?

I say start another thread. I had some comments to make on this, but this is such an appalling start (I mean, "ur gay"? come on) I can only see the silliness perpetuating.

Should we start another thread and let this one burn? Or just ignore the second post?
Keep this one going. If you did create a new one, this one would be the only one that got post just to spite you.

Ok! Back on topic! Labour party sunk, Tory party risen! Charles Clarke sacked! Discuss!

Ok! Back on topic! Labour party sunk, Tory party risen! Charles Clarke sacked! Discuss!
I don't think Labour are sunk. It's been a really bad couple of months for them, but by the next important elections, they'll have recouped, and at present I still don't see Cameron being seen as a credible alternative to Brown - although obviously things will change. The Lib Dems, as usual, fucking sucked. Too much will now be made of the BNP for months, but in fact their seats will mean very little (especially as plenty of the Lab and Con councillors in those areas are just as racist).

And Clarke going is not a surprise.

This country doesn't really know whats best for them. A few headlines and people brush away all the shit the conservatives caused here. Labour are far from perfect, but beileve me they are the lesser of 2 evils.

Tony is bound to come under fire after being in office so long. Personally I think he is a strong leader, not the perfect leader, but strong I guess. And look at our economic growth under labour.

He takes all kinds of shit on the chin. People calling him bush'e poodle because he dared help invade iraq. Sure, it was a bit of a fuck up, but it was gonna happen sooner or later anyway.

I don't really know where i'm going with this post really, i'm just talking bollocks I guess.

In my opinion, it is Blair who is f*cked. The labour party is being damaged by association, to an extent.

Yaeh! Go Tories! Take that, liberals!

Yes, it was disastrous. However, Labour will come right back at the next council elections, simply because by that time people will be fed up with Cameron's empty sound-bites and 'green' promises. Even if Blair is still leading Labour at that time, they'll make a comeback. Blair has been a good PM for this country over the entirety of his leadership. People focus on the here-and-now way too much without looking back. If the Tories gain power at the next General Election, they will show their true colours, and, as Labour's 'Dave the Chameleon' broadcasts said, that's blue not green.

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And what's wrong with the Tories' true colours?

And what's wrong with the Tories' true colours?
Cameron is a Thatcher acolyte. No matter what he says, he always will be. We do not need a return to the 1980s.

I couldn't stand Kajagoogoo making a comeback.

Cameron is a Thatcher acolyte. No matter what he says, he always will be. We do not need a return to the 1980s.

I couldn't stand Kajagoogoo making a comeback.

Blair is a Thatcher acolyte, except that he doesn't actually deliver on promises.

Blair is a Thatcher acolyte, except that he doesn't actually deliver on promises.
Blair hasn't always been a Thatcher acolyte, though. He has simply become more right wing as a matter of political expedience - it's generally held that populations lean more towards conservatism than liberalism. Cameron has always followed Thatcherism, although that's partially because his political career started at a time when that was still something to be proud of.

Blair hasn't always been a Thatcher acolyte, though. He has simply become more right wing as a matter of political expedience - it's generally held that populations lean more towards conservatism than liberalism. Cameron has always followed Thatcherism, although that's partially because his political career started at a time when that was still something to be proud of.

I fail to see how this makes Blair favourable to Cameron.

I fail to see how this makes Blair favourable to Cameron.
I never said that.

However, if you want to judge on the record of the two men, Blair wins hands down.

I never said that.

However, if you want to judge on the record of the two men, Blair wins hands down.

Oh, I'd rather judge on fun things... like whether or not they are the leader of the Conservative party.
And I don't think Blair's done anything of much worth for this country.

Wow. It truely IS evolving into a flame war! And all I said was that the Labour party is losing massive power to the Tory!

Although, the way it degenerated has me mentally rehearsing the second episode of Coupling, where the liberal woman was yelling things like "you're gay! You can't be a Tory, you're supposed to be on our side."

Blair hasn't always been a Thatcher acolyte, though. He has simply become more right wing as a matter of political expedience - it's generally held that populations lean more towards conservatism than liberalism. Cameron has always followed Thatcherism, although that's partially because his political career started at a time when that was still something to be proud of.

It's more that power and success breed conservative tendencies.

Just take a look at all the big conservative populations in the US. The old money WASP's and the Southern Baptists. Groups that are sure of their position in the country.

Liberal groups, the NAACP, most hispanic groups, Catholics, Jews etc. are the ones who know what it's like to be oppressed or deprived. The Catholics and Jews are becoming more secure of their position in the country, so they are starting to become more conservative as a population. It's dressed up as siding with the "pro-life" and "pro-Israel" sides respectivly, but that's just an excuse, because the liberals are just as pro-life (anti death penalty) and just as pro-Israel. The Cubans are the most financially well-off groups of hispanics and also the most conservative. In truth, it's just siding with the oppressors as they become more sure that they won't end up oppressed.

According to The Guardian, from the local election results last week, a general election now would yield the following voter split nationally:

Conservatives - 40%
Liberal Democrats - 27%
New Labour - 26%

Bear in mind Blair fired / demoted a bunch of people the next day. The local election results were nothing short of a disaster. The Party's spin on it that the results are "not as bad as they could have been" refer to the consolation to be had from the fact that they were not completely obliterated.

According to The Guardian, from the local election results last week, a general election now would yield the following voter split nationally:

Conservatives - 40%
Liberal Democrats - 27%
New Labour - 26%

Bear in mind Blair fired / demoted a bunch of people the next day. The local election results were nothing short of a disaster. The Party's spin on it that the results are "not as bad as they could have been" refer to the consolation to be had from the fact that they were not completely obliterated.

Oughtn't we to make that "New Conservatives"?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4975938.stm

Really now, Labour party has been getting hit time after time after time. Is anyone suprised at this massive switch to Tory?

Well, knowing that the Labour party is acting as a conservative party, with neoliberal policies, strong friendship with Bush and invading countries for the fun, hum, oil of it, it's no surprise.

When the left acts like the right, the right wins... history always showed that.

I just don't see why Jack Staw had to go. He was about the only good thing left in the cabinet. With his good relationship/ romance with Condi, and no real scandal attached to him, did he really have to replace him with Margaret Becket of all people?

I just don't see why Jack Staw had to go. He was about the only good thing left in the cabinet. With his good relationship/ romance with Condi, and no real scandal attached to him, did he really have to replace him with Margaret Becket of all people?
His son was a drug dealer while he was head of police! :mad:

Oh, I'd rather judge on fun things... like whether or not they are the leader of the Conservative party.

Well on that criteria I'd say they're probably neck and neck.

His son was a drug dealer while he was head of police! :mad:
Well in most governments that would perhaps be significant, but this is New Labour we're talking about, comparatively speaking he's whiter than white, it wasn't him personally involved anyway.

Well on that criteria I'd say they're probably neck and neck.

To add false weight to my argument I shall inform you that criterion is the singular of criteria.
I said the Conservative Party, not a conservative party.

it's generally held that populations lean more towards conservatism than liberalism
Where did this come from?

Where did this come from?
People want tomorrow to be pretty much like today.

People want tomorrow to be pretty much like today.
Only the people who are having a good time of it today. Which is not everyone.

To add false weight to my argument I shall inform you that criterion is the singular of criteria.
I said the Conservative Party, not a conservative party.
Darn, I knew that.

On the other hand, Cameron seems to be following and claiming to be "the heir to Blair" so Blair leads the leader of the Conservative Party:cool: