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Question:
Is it official that the Sanhedrin will now rebuild Solomons Temple on the old site on the Temple Mount and that building will commence 2005 and be completed some time during 2007? Please send me all the details possible.


Answer:
Unfortunately we don’t have a Sanhedrin yet and G-d did not inform us yet about his current plan and time table of when he will rebuild the third temple.
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/eng/print.asp?id=1980

Do you think they will/should rebuild Solomon's Temple? Many far-right fundies would like Jesus to return and I understand this is one of the requirements. What do you think?

Huh? Where in the Bible does it say that the recreation of the temple of solomon is needed for jesus to return?

Slight problem of one teency weency infinitesmal mosque.

My memory of Biblical prophecy is a bit shady, I'll admit, but I believe that the context of the Temple being rebuilt is more of an allusion than a direct quote.

However, I'm pretty sure that the Temple must be intact for the Jewish prophecies of the Messiah to be fulfilled, which would, of course, be very ironic if the assumption that it's necessary for Jesus to reappear is true.

However, I really don't think the Temple will be rebuilt, as the Dome of the Rock is IN THE WAY. You just try to tell fundamentalist Muslims of Syria and Lebanon that we're moving the Dome of the Rock to build a Jewish monument. Keep the stopwatch handy, I'd like to know the response time of the suicide bombers.

Jerusalem is a holy city for three major world religions that all have very troubled histories with one another. Trying to do anything of real religious signifigance there is dangerous. Especially since the Christians will assume that whoever makes the pact with Israel to complete the Temple will, of course, be the Antichrist...

My memory of Biblical prophecy is a bit shady, I'll admit, but I believe that the context of the Temple being rebuilt is more of an allusion than a direct quote.

However, I'm pretty sure that the Temple must be intact for the Jewish prophecies of the Messiah to be fulfilled, which would, of course, be very ironic if the assumption that it's necessary for Jesus to reappear is true.

However, I really don't think the Temple will be rebuilt, as the Dome of the Rock is IN THE WAY. You just try to tell fundamentalist Muslims of Syria and Lebanon that we're moving the Dome of the Rock to build a Jewish monument. Keep the stopwatch handy, I'd like to know the response time of the suicide bombers.

Jerusalem is a holy city for three major world religions that all have very troubled histories with one another. Trying to do anything of real religious signifigance there is dangerous. Especially since the Christians will assume that whoever makes the pact with Israel to complete the Temple will, of course, be the Antichrist...

Religion: keeping people interested in foreign affairs, rather than domestic ones, for millenia!

My memory of Biblical prophecy is a bit shady, I'll admit, but I believe that the context of the Temple being rebuilt is more of an allusion than a direct quote.

However, I'm pretty sure that the Temple must be intact for the Jewish prophecies of the Messiah to be fulfilled, which would, of course, be very ironic if the assumption that it's necessary for Jesus to reappear is true.

However, I really don't think the Temple will be rebuilt, as the Dome of the Rock is IN THE WAY. You just try to tell fundamentalist Muslims of Syria and Lebanon that we're moving the Dome of the Rock to build a Jewish monument. Keep the stopwatch handy, I'd like to know the response time of the suicide bombers.

Jerusalem is a holy city for three major world religions that all have very troubled histories with one another. Trying to do anything of real religious signifigance there is dangerous. Especially since the Christians will assume that whoever makes the pact with Israel to complete the Temple will, of course, be the Antichrist...
They could always try and build the Temple of Solomon over the Dome of the Rock. Put it on massive pillars.

That's why I love religion. One religious group wants another religious group to build on a site occupied by a third religious group which will inevitably start a massive holy war.

Religion may have absolutely no practical use, but at least it keeps things interesting.

They could always try and build the Temple of Solomon over the Dome of the Rock. Put it on massive pillars.

Ah, but then we get the horrible logistical problem of how to get everyone in and out. Oh, and the Muslims wouldn't take to kindly to the Jews being above them (literally).

Come to think of it, my mysanthropy is kicking in.

Go ahead and smelt the Dome of the Rock, and use it to make the gold linings of the Temple.

When the Temple's completed, and the Muslim's bomb it, the Christians and Jews can take it as a last straw kind of thing, and a global holy war can break out.

When everybody but the Buddhists are annihilated, I can listen to my music in peace.

Happy ending!

its a shame there's no way to do it, unless they moved the location but kept the design of the original and call it the new holy center for judaism.

It would at least re-build the temple, which was for a long time as important to the jews as the vatican is to catholics. Of course, the Dome of the Rock is a bit more important to a lot more people, so building it on the same site wouldnt be too good an idea, would it?

...this is why the whole situation over there is just outright rediculous.

Here's another question: do you think the Israeli government should help to pay for the construction, or should it be all from donations or what?

Do you think they will/should rebuild Solomon's Temple? Many far-right fundies would like Jesus to return and I understand this is one of the requirements. What do you think?

Most would consider me a far-fight fundy/fundie but I think it would be horrible for the temple to be rebuilt. First, the Temple is no longer the place of worship of the true God. The Jews (with the exception of Messianic Jews) have rejected God as He has revealed himself and so they are no longer worshiping God. Therefore, I don't want to see a Jewish Temple built anymore than a Satanic meeting place.

Of course, I would never take action against the building of the Temple beyond protest in the manner I am protesting here.

In addition, the end of the world will bring about much destruction and loss of souls. I think that it would be better for that to come later than earlier. That way, more souls are saved and fewer perish :).

No, this is rediculous. Find me one Jew who would agree to put the Middle East peace process back decades if not ruin it entirely just for a shlocky reproduction of something only really desired by Christian fundies that we've done just fine without for 3500 years.

"Evidently the Third Temple has a limited life time and use towards the close of the present age. Probably it will be destroyed in the "great earthquake" which is described by Ezekiel and in the Revelation as shaking Jerusalem just prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ. In fact, at the time (all) "the cities of the nations will fall."

Most Bible scholars agree that the end time tribulation period, Daniel's "Seventieth Week,' encompasses just seven years. So it seems safe to say that the Third Temple may be built and destroyed within a decade or two, perhaps less. It will probably remain consecrated and undefiled for at least 3-1/2 years. [Concerning the violent events and the great earthquake during the tribulation period see Isaiah 29:1-8, Revelation 6:12, 8:5, 11:13, 16:18-21, Ezekiel 38:19, Daniel 9:24-27, Zechariah 12-14.]

No one knows whether the Third Temple will be built before of after what Christians call "the rapture of the true church." Possibly the Third Temple will be built when the western political leader known as the Antichrist makes a peace treaty between Arabs and Jews as predicted by Daniel the prophet. A rabbinical school (or yeshiva) for the training of the priests for this temple is presently in existence in the Old City. Sacred vessels and priestly garments have been prepared. Cedar from Lebanon captured in the north during the war there in 1982 has been placed in storage for the next temple, and so on. Thus there has been considerable preparation for the Third Temple by the religious Jews of modern Jerusalem. Both the Askenazi and Sephardic Chief Rabbis of Jerusalem agree that such a temple will be built as soon as circumstances permit."

From what I understand, Revelations says that a third and then a fourth temple will be built on the site, so it goes to say that no temple, no antichrist and no return of Jesus or Messiah or Whomever.

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Source?

Here is an Idea...How bout we destroy the Mosque and build in its place a temple where Christians, Jews, and Muslims can come to worship God. we can have like 3 different sanctuaries to allow the teachings of each religion..and then there would be max. security as well..to stop terrorists and such.

now I would be content with having the postion of anti-chri....ermmm i mean head priest...

Source?
Ah, right.
http://www.templemount.org/TM34.html

My personal vote goes to confusing (and exacerbating) the situation even more by building working replicas of FSMism's beer volcano and stripper factory at the site.

My personal vote goes to confusing (and exacerbating) the situation even more by building working replicas of FSMism's beer volcano and stripper factory at the site.
I don't believe the world is ready for a physical manifestation of his noodly appendage.

I say rebuild it so all that stuff about the prophesy of Jesus returning can be put to the test and refuted.:p

If Pastafarians get a monument, then the Discordians demand that the Tabernacle of the Temple (since it won't have an Ark of the Covenant to clutter it up) should contain a Holy Erisian Golden Apple. :cool:

I say rebuild it so all that stuff about the prophesy of Jesus returning can be put to the test and refuted.:p
Is that before or after the nuclear strike? :)

I say rebuild it so all that stuff about the prophesy of Jesus returning can be put to the test and refuted.:p


Bet you $5 and a pizza it is real :p

I say rebuild it, As my Grandfather would say:

"...We need to remove that pagan temple from our holy mount..."

The Muslims have Mecca and Medina - They dont need Jerusalem, and really dont want it (SOURCE (http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Modern_Destruction.htm)) I do think they can keep the Al-Asqa mosque though, seeing as how it is a near-crumbling ruin anyway. It is not in the way of the new temple plan, from what I have seen of it, and the muslims still get to have some peace of the holy rock. SOUCE ON THAT TOO (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34776). I rejoiced the day they layed the cornerstone for the new temple.SOURCE (http://www.templemountfaithful.org/sukkot98.htm), and I hope they are going to do more with it. The fact remains that the temple as to be build in its exact spot as before. Curently the Dome of the Rock sits on this spot and it should be removed. I know that may be upsetting to muslims, but really, they have mecca right? I think that they only want Jerusalem because the oppose the Zionist movement.

I say rebuild it, As my Grandfather would say:

"...We need to remove that pagan temple from our holy mount..."

The Muslims have Mecca and Medina - They dont need Jerusalem, and really dont want it (SOURCE (http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Modern_Destruction.htm)) I do think they can keep the Al-Asqa mosque though, seeing as how it is a near-crumbling ruin anyway. It is not in the way of the new temple plan, from what I have seen of it, and the muslims still get to have some peace of the holy rock. SOUCE ON THAT TOO (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34776). I rejoiced the day they layed the cornerstone for the new temple.SOURCE (http://www.templemountfaithful.org/sukkot98.htm), and I hope they are going to do more with it. The fact remains that the temple as to be build in its exact spot as before. Curently the Dome of the Rock sits on this spot and it should be removed. I know that may be upsetting to muslims, but really, they have mecca right? I think that they only want Jerusalem because the oppose the Zionist movement.
So, do you see the rebuilding of the temple as the beginnings of the requirements for Jesus' return?

Huh? Where in the Bible does it say that the recreation of the temple of solomon is needed for jesus to return?
Nowhere. The Christians wrote a BS bible called the New Testament where they made up lies to get dopes to believe that Jesus was the messiah. Seemed to have worked. Sorry, but the Messiah wasn't Jesus.

Nowhere. The Christians wrote a BS bible called the New Testament where they made up lies to get dopes to believe that Jesus was the messiah. Seemed to have worked. Sorry, but the Messiah wasn't Jesus.
I just received word that the Pope has renounced Christianity.


I don't really care, I just thought it would be funny.

Nowhere. The Christians wrote a BS bible called the New Testament where they made up lies to get dopes to believe that Jesus was the messiah. Seemed to have worked. Sorry, but the Messiah wasn't Jesus.
I never mentioned the Messiah, I said jesus. Oh, and how is your holy book any better?

Yes... lets just make a bad situation worse... thats always clever.

But then I guess both sides in the Middle east have been doing that for years.

I just received word that the Pope has renounced Christianity.


I don't really care, I just thought it would be funny.
HOnestly, Jesus fails to meet most of the requirements set forth for the Messiah by the lord in the Old Testament. His followers just rewrote their own version of it and then said that Jesus will come again since the promises of the messiah weren't fulfilled. It's amazing how dumb people are to buy that.

It's amazing how dumb people are to buy that.

Well, some might argue that people being dumb is proven by the actions of people in the world over. Including belief in a God(s).

So, do you see the rebuilding of the temple as the beginnings of the requirements for Jesus' return?


No, more as God's return, I dont buy the whole Jesus fable. Plus it is fair. Christianity has Vatican, Muslims have Mecca, Jews should have Jerusalem.

No, more as God's return, I dont buy the whole Jesus fable. Plus it is fair. Christianity has Vatican, Muslims have Mecca, Jews should have Jerusalem.

Erm... it isnt as simple as that. If only it was. Jerusalem is holy to all three of those religions. While you could say the above regarding the Vatican and Mecca, the same does not apply to Jerusalem. If you could find a Jewish holy site which the other two religious figures couldnt give a rat ass about, then you would have it about right.

Personally I think a neutral jerusalem would be the best idea. Everyone can acess their religious sites, and yet none of the three have control over them.

This poll has become scary.

About the whole issue in rebuilding the temple is neat, but it's not needed. It would be the same as if after a building is no longer useful they rebuild it again after it being torn down. In the earlier times(when it was standing)the temple was used for sacerfices to stay at cool with God, cause they weren't prefect in God's eyes. So after Christ gave his life for the sins of others, scarfices were no longer needed, therefor the temple useless.

It doesn't matter if you believe what christians and jews say, if you want to get tangled up in there reasoning for the rebuilding of a *useless* temple, then by all means go ahead. But if christians want to rebuild it so much, and the muslims don't want them to build it over their sites, then the covered and useless temple should stay covered.

Like if Christians get mad at this post saying "The Temple must be rebuilt! take down those pagan temples!" then they have to rethink there complaint, cause Christians should know that no building is going to do any good for them in the Kingdom of God, or isn't going to give them anymore blessings or graces. Just as it says in Matthew(or john?) in the N.T. that, "any chruch built by man is not My chruch."(those aren't the real words but it's the jist of it)


BUT HAY IT'S JUST MY OPINION.

Like if Christians get mad at this post saying "The Temple must be rebuilt! take down those pagan temples!" then they have to rethink there complaint, cause Christians should know that no building is going to do any good for them in the Kingdom of God...

No, was not speaking in reference to Christian eyes. They have corrupted enough. I was speaking from a jewish perspective. To the Jews, the House of God isnt just a worship temple, but quite literally, the HOUSE of GOD. Where he lives and will be staying. Yahweh isnt this omnipresent, all encoumpassing compassionate God that the Christians have distored him to be.

Tell me, if you plotted out some land, and said "this is where my house will be", and lived there for a while, but then your house got destroyed. Then all of a sudden another person came in, and built their own house on top of yours, how would you feel? Ultimately, it doesnt matter, what happens, happens, and will do so for a good reason... outside human understanding

Most would consider me a far-fight fundy/fundie but I think it would be horrible for the temple to be rebuilt. First, the Temple is no longer the place of worship of the true God. The Jews (with the exception of Messianic Jews) have rejected God as He has revealed himself and so they are no longer worshiping God. Therefore, I don't want to see a Jewish Temple built anymore than a Satanic meeting place.

Of course, I would never take action against the building of the Temple beyond protest in the manner I am protesting here.

In addition, the end of the world will bring about much destruction and loss of souls. I think that it would be better for that to come later than earlier. That way, more souls are saved and fewer perish :).

Considering Jesus's abject failure to fulfill the Messiah prophecies it's hardly surprising that they don't believe in him is it now? ;)

Yes, he failed in many prophecies

i've read the Bible fairly well through and never saw where it said the temple had to rebuilt for Jesus to come, i think that one's made up even from a Christian standpoint...

Considering Jesus's abject failure to fulfill the Messiah prophecies it's hardly surprising that they don't believe in him is it now? ;)


Now which prophecies did he not fulfill?

Joh 1:41 Early in the morning he came across his brother and said to him, We have made discovery! It is the Messiah! which is to say, the Christ.

Joh 4:25 The woman said to him, I am certain that the Messiah, who is named Christ, is coming; when he comes he will make all things clear to us.

The only reason Jews don't believe Christ is the messiah is because they don't want to take the blame for killing him.

You abrahamic-centric people. Forget your silly religions and become Hindu. Vishu has already sent 9 avatars and only 11.1% of them are contested. So for a more reliable creed, choose Hinduism. With Hinduism you also get the reasurance of a religion that has been honed by time, unlike many of our newer competitors. With Hinduism you also get satisfaction guarenteed or another life free of charge. You'll keep getting another live until you live the perfect life.

What's more we guarentee that someone will always been on the other end of the phone to help, free of charge whichever country you live. We have managed to do this by outsourcing all your call centre jobs, so we can guarentee a Hindu will always be only a phone call away... unless of course you get one of those weird muslims that live in Gujarat. If so, just hang up and try again.

So if you want a wider choice, a better choice, a bigger choice then convert to Hinduism today and you'll be automatically entered in our prize draw to win a free trip to Angkor Wat - the BIGGEST temple of any religion in the world. Bigger really is better.

i've read the Bible fairly well through and never saw where it said the temple had to rebuilt for Jesus to come, i think that one's made up even from a Christian standpoint...

Yeah your right, it doesn't, no where. The temple belongs with the past not the future.

Now which prophecies did he not fulfill?

Joh 1:41 Early in the morning he came across his brother and said to him, We have made discovery! It is the Messiah! which is to say, the Christ.

Erm... thats not a prophecy. Thats a guy saying "I saw the Messiah". Not a prophecy.


Joh 4:25 The woman said to him, I am certain that the Messiah, who is named Christ, is coming; when he comes he will make all things clear to us.

Again, not a prophecy, but someone making a statement of what they believe.

Of course I think that prophecies are a load of crap, but still.


The only reason Jews don't believe Christ is the messiah is because they don't want to take the blame for killing him.

Erm... no. They dont believe he is the Messiah. It is as simple as that. It has nothing to do with killing him.

In all fairness the Dome of the Rock should get the same treatment that the Stone Buddhas got in Taliban controlled Afghanistan, dynamite it and pretend it was never there.

Israel could have blown that up any time in the last 40 years, odds are they never will. The Taliban started desecrating holy sites in Asia the day they arrived. The Israelis should take a lesson from the Muslim brothers and be as intolerant of them as they are of everyone else.

P.S. No one knows whether or not the Christ fulfilled any prophecies, some take it on faith he did and others guess he didn't but no one knows. Calling it a fable is pretty weak, for all we can ever know, all history before our birth is a fiction.

In all fairness the Dome of the Rock should get the same treatment that the Stone Buddhas got in Taliban controlled Afghanistan, dynamite it and pretend it was never there.

Why? What reasoning do you have for this? What would it possibly achieve?


Israel could have blown that up any time in the last 40 years, odds are they never will. The Taliban started desecrating holy sites in Asia the day they arrived.

Which they were criticised for. I have not heard many people proclaim that as a good.

The Israelis should take a lesson from the Muslim brothers and be as intolerant of them as they are of everyone else.

Wibble...

You abrahamic-centric people. Forget your silly religions and become Hindu. Vishu has already sent 9 avatars and only 11.1% of them are contested. So for a more reliable creed, choose Hinduism. With Hinduism you also get the reasurance of a religion that has been honed by time, unlike many of our newer competitors. With Hinduism you also get satisfaction guarenteed or another life free of charge. You'll keep getting another live until you live the perfect life.

What's more we guarentee that someone will always been on the other end of the phone to help, free of charge whichever country you live. We have managed to do this by outsourcing all your call centre jobs, so we can guarentee a Hindu will always be only a phone call away... unless of course you get one of those weird muslims that live in Gujarat. If so, just hang up and try again.

So if you want a wider choice, a better choice, a bigger choice then convert to Hinduism today and you'll be automatically entered in our prize draw to win a free trip to Angkor Wat - the BIGGEST temple of any religion in the world. Bigger really is better.

that a nice invite, but i'll have to pass. Below is the order of the most populated religions on the earth.

1. Christianity
2. Islam
3. Hinduism
4. Buddhism
5. Sikhism
6. Judaism
7. Bahá'í Faith
8. Confucianism
9. Jainism
10. Shintoism

Hinduism is only the 3rd? "Bigger really is better." well if christianity is bigger it must be better...? right?

In all fairness the Dome of the Rock should get the same treatment that the Stone Buddhas got in Taliban controlled Afghanistan, dynamite it and pretend it was never there.

Israel could have blown that up any time in the last 40 years, odds are they never will. The Taliban started desecrating holy sites in Asia the day they arrived. The Israelis should take a lesson from the Muslim brothers and be as intolerant of them as they are of everyone else.

P.S. No one knows whether or not the Christ fulfilled any prophecies, some take it on faith he did and others guess he didn't but no one knows. Calling it a fable is pretty weak, for all we can ever know, all history before our birth is a fiction.Thank you for sharing your views on Taliban and their destruction of the sandstone Buddhas.

We at NationStates General do kindly request that do not share your views again. Thank you for your cooperation.

that a nice invite, but i'll have to pass. Below is the order of the most populated religions on the earth.

1. Christianity
2. Islam
3. Hinduism
4. Buddhism
5. Sikhism
6. Judaism
7. Bahá'í Faith
8. Confucianism
9. Jainism
10. Shintoism

Hinduism is only the 3rd? "Bigger really is better." well if christianity is bigger it must be better...? right?I was refering to Angkor Wat. Just because several hundred million people say Jesus was the Messiah, doesn't make them right. We don't live by Stalinist ideals here. Angkor Wat is still the biggest temple in the world, having existed for around 1,000 years. So despite western, christian culture achieving dominance in numbers it has yet to build a temple to surpass that of Angkor Wat. Instead you go build buildings like the World Bank... will money save your immortal soul?

Erm... thats not a prophecy. Thats a guy saying "I saw the Messiah". Not a prophecy.



Again, not a prophecy, but someone making a statement of what they believe.

Of course I think that prophecies are a load of crap, but still.



Erm... no. They dont believe he is the Messiah. It is as simple as that. It has nothing to do with killing him.


Yes your right with what you said about the verses i posted, but you didn't answer my questions "Which prophecies did He not fulfill?"

Now..some prophecies that Christ did fulfill are the following:
God promised another prophet like Moses-Deuteronomy 18:15-18
God's salvation would reach the ends of the earth-Isaiah 49:6
Isaiah foreshadowed the virgin birth of Jesus- Isaiah 7:14
The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah-Genesis 49:10
The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem-Micah 5:2
The Messiah would be preceded by a messenger(john the baptist)- Isaiah 40:3
Daniel predicted when an anointed one would be rejected-Daniel 9:24-26
The Messiah would enter Jerusalem while riding on a donkey-Zechariah 9:9
Jesus was betrayed by a friend-Psalm 41:9
Zechariah foreshadowed the betrayal of Jesus for 30 pieces of silver-Zechariah 11:12-13
The Messiah would suffer and be rejected- Isaiah 53:3
God's servant would be wounded and whipped-Isaiah 53:3
God's servant would be silent before His accusers-Isaiah 53-7
God's servant would be buried in a rich man's tomb-Isaiah 53:9
God's servant would be crucified with criminals- Isaiah 53:12
Jesus was spat upon and beaten-Isaiah 50:6
Psalm 22 foreshadowed the crucifixion of Jesus-Psalm 22:1,7,8,16,17,18 (with words from christ)

Man..I'm getting tired, i could go on, for MUCH longer...

The only reason Jews don't believe Christ is the messiah is because they don't want to take the blame for killing him.

Clearly you are living in the post-Passion of the Christ Era

"The Jesus who was born to Mary claimed to be a messian because he came from the royal line of David, and was supposedly born in David's city of Bethelehem. However, as we can read in the opening verses of the New Testament, this descent, through a string of 'begats', is based upon the genealogy of Mary's husband Joseph who is not, according to Christian belief, the father of Jesus. A cruel twist of logic - if he was the son of God, he could not be the royal massiah!
The Jesus born to Mary could not technically be a kingly massiah, but he could possibly be the priestly version: his mother is known to be a relation of John the Baptist, who was a Levite; so Jesus must have had some Levite blood himself. If this Jesus had followed this argument it would be clear that it was not he who died on the cross."

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"... there was a traditional requirement for there to be two messiahs, who would work hand-in-hand to achieve the final victory of Yahweh and His chosen people. A kingly messiah from the tribe of Judah, the royal line of David, would be joined by the priestly messiah from the tribe of Levi. This was expected because according to tradition, Jewish priests had to be Levites. This Theory assumes that at the point of the trial, both messiahs had been arrested, and charged with causing civil insurrection. The Jesus from the royal line of Judah was held and died on the corss whilst the Jesus from the priestly line of Levi went free"

"'Son of God' - which was an ancient title for everyone who was claiming kingship. All kings from the times before the pharoahs onward have established their right to rule through their descent from the gods."

"Barabbas the wicked murderer whom the equally wicked Jew chose to release in preference to our Saviour.' The baying of the crowd to crucify the Christ in preference to a common criminal is one of the New Testament's pieces of evidence regarding the allegedly despicable nature of the Jews that has lead to two thousand years of anti-Semitism. However, one only needs a rudimentary knowledge of the language of the time to understand that 'Barabbas" is not a name at all, but a title, meaning precisely 'Son of God'! 'Bar' means 'son of' and 'Abba" literally means 'father', but its usage was, and generally still is, a reference to The Father; that is, God.... So the individual who was released and not crucified at the request of the crowd was, and an indisputable matter of Gospel record, known as 'Jesus, the Son of God'. The First part of the name was deleated from the Gospel of Matthewat a much later date, by those who sought to establish facts to fit their Gentile beliefs.
The Gospels state that theis other 'Jesus, Son of God' was accuesed of being a Jewish rebel who had killed people during an outbreak of insurrection. Thus Barabbus was not a criminal but a jewish fanatic, one facing similar accusation to the one brought against Jesus.

Jesus King of the Jews is a different person than Jesus, Son of God. The King of the jews was killed on the cross.




The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah-Genesis 49:10 (see post above this one) - Jesus did NOT come from the tribe of Judah, he was a Levite and had no right to assume to be some King

i've read the Bible fairly well through and never saw where it said the temple had to rebuilt for Jesus to come, i think that one's made up even from a Christian standpoint...
"The question of a future Temple gets more complicated when we realize that the Bible teaches that two temples are yet to stand on the Temple Mount in the future. First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by a Millennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom on this earth. Let's look at the Scriptures dealing with these two future temples.

The Millennium Temple
Chapters 40-48 of Ezekiel's prophecy contain a grand and detailed vision of a glorious Temple to be built sometime in the future. Ezekiel was given the precise dimensions of this future Temple (chapters 40-42), and he foresaw the glory of the Lord returning to this Temple (chapter 43). Ezekiel was given details of the function of the priests and Levites and the order of worship in this future Temple (chapters 43-46). He was shown the layout for the whole area surrounding the future temple complex (chapter 45). Chapters 47-48, which give the future topographical changes in the Jerusalem area and the political reorganization of the whole land with the 12 tribes of Israel, complete this amazing prophetic vision given to Ezekiel."
http://www.growingchristians.org/dfgc/future.html

More information here:
http://www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html

According to the book of Revelations, the rebuilding of the temple will be a work of the antichrist, known as the Beast, to give the Jewish people a false security and cause them to believe he is on thier side. Immediately after its completion, however, the Beast will turn against them and the worst horrors to ever beset mankind will occur. This falls between the Rapture of Christ's saints and the Second Coming of Christ when He steps down on the Mount of Olives and destroys Satan's armies and establishes His 1,000 year earthly kingdom.

Thank you for sharing your views on Taliban and their destruction of the sandstone Buddhas.

We at NationStates General do kindly request that do not share your views again. Thank you for your cooperation.

I think he should have the right to speak, as this is a public forum

Wow, it's so nice to see how much people care about geneology in this thread. I thought we were past the days of aristocracy. That instead we judge people solely on their own merits, and turning water into wine is a pretty damn big merit in my alcoholic opinion.

Well Geneology is one thing, but that is religious law, what people base their beliefs on..

Wow, it's so nice to see how much people care about geneology in this thread. I thought we were past the days of aristocracy. That instead we judge people solely on their own merits, and turning water into wine is a pretty damn big merit in my alcoholic opinion.
I can make wine disappear. But you have to look away for a little while.

I think he should have the right to speak, as this is a public forumDon't mind me. It's just my long winded way of saying 'I think you're an idiot'.

People don't have a right to speak on a public forum. Not him, not you, not me. It is a privledge giving by the owner of the forum who may ban anyone he or she wished for any or no reason. This is the case as far as I'm aware. The terms 'public forum' and 'private forum' do not have legal definitions.

I can make wine disappear. But you have to look away for a little while.How about you look away first?

I was refering to Angkor Wat. Just because several hundred million people say Jesus was the Messiah, doesn't make them right. We don't live by Stalinist ideals here. Angkor Wat is still the biggest temple in the world, having existed for around 1,000 years. So despite western, christian culture achieving dominance in numbers it has yet to build a temple to surpass that of Angkor Wat. Instead you go build buildings like the World Bank... will money save your immortal soul?

I'd like to let you in that not all of Western Culture is Christian.In most aspects far from Christ.No chuch is perfect because it is run by man. Oh and "several hundred million" more like 2.1 billion, when 900 million is all you got. But i do have to say not all people that call them selves christians mean that they are. lol, you be proud of your building..though, it's good for you. I see no connection between the World Bank and Christianity. But some how you do, that is because your being blinded by people or nations that call themselves Christian. "WILL MONEY SAVE YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL?" the answer is no.

"And again I say to you, It is easier for a camel to pass through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."Matthew 19:24

Let me ask you a question...Will the Angkor Wat save your immortal soul? Will something made by sinful man save your immortal soul?

Well Geneology is one thing, but that is religious law, what people base their beliefs on..Well if you'd studied Plato then you'd know all beliefs by defintion are false. *nods*

How about you look away first?
Let's join forces and fool the masses.

I'd like to let you in that not all of Western Culture is Christian.In most aspects far from Christ.No chuch is perfect because it is run by man. Oh and "several hundred million" more like 2.1 billion, when 900 million is all you got. But i do have to say not all people that call them selves christians mean that they are. lol, you be proud of your building..though, it's good for you. I see no connection between the World Bank and Christianity. But some how you do, that is because your being blinded by people or nations that call themselves Christian. "WILL MONEY SAVE YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL?" the answer is no.

"And again I say to you, It is easier for a camel to pass through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."Matthew 19:24

Let me ask you a question...Will the Angkor Wat save your immortal soul? Will something made by sinful man save your immortal soul?No. Of course not. But you make a groundless assumption that your religion is correct. As for me I'm a very bad person who spouts a couple of posts about hinduism when he actually isn't. What's more is that I don't think an immortal soul exists, thus making them very hard to save.

Please ignore the comment about the world bank is was me being silly and trolling ever so slightly.

Let's join forces and fool the masses.

oh god, be careful what you say, people could be bombing eachother arguing over the start of your very own religion

oh god, be careful what you say, people could be bombing eachother arguing over the start of your very own religion
*HIC-CUP* What was that you said?

*HIC-CUP* What was that you said?Nooo! *picks up the glass and attempts to convince himself there is still some wine left in it... gets an idea and goes looking for the source - the bottle!*

So, what we are starting a new church where communion is compulsary, and Wine will now be jack and Cokes?

Nooo! *picks up the glass and attempts to convince himself there is still some wine left in it... gets an idea and goes looking for the source - the bottle!*
*Waves my glass drunkenly* I am... the.. Messiahanoid... the Mechatron... Mechazilla!

*Passes out as the Apocolypse commences.*

No. Of course not. But you make a groundless assumption that your religion is correct. As for me I'm a very bad person who spouts a couple of posts about hinduism when he actually isn't. What's more is that I don't think an immortal soul exists, thus making them very hard to save.

Please ignore the comment about the world bank is was me being silly and trolling ever so slightly.

Yeah don't mention the comment about that bank, it happens to all of us at one point.

(So your not a Hindu?)"With Hinduism you also get satisfaction guarenteed or another life free of charge. You'll keep getting another live until you live the perfect life." So you get as many trys as you want? sounds kind of..."made for the benefit of the believer doctin" so what happens if you never live a right life? who or what says whats right and wrong?, also...if you do things bad all your life you never get punished? or if your a good person and some one is mean to you all your life and he doesn't get punished?

*Waves my glass drunkenly* I am... the.. Messiahanoid... the Mechatron... Mechazilla!

*Passes out as the Apocolypse commences.*


lol i like that, there was this joke that was made at a bible college in New Brunswick, canada i think, well this joker would all ways play tricks on every one,hense getting a little annoying, so the whole campus teams up and plays a Rapture trick on the guy. So what they do is lay out all their cloths in the shapes of people all over the campus and leaves bits of ashes over the clothes, and every one hids, getting ready to watch the reaction of the joker.Well the joker wakes up thinking he slept right threw the rapture and all the good people had been takin up to heaven, well the guy is crying and screaming like nothing you've ever imagined, everyone watching and laughing at them, they come out from their hiding places and laugh at him.

hmmmm, lets put the hidden symbolism together as most religions do

naked people hiding in the bushes on a college campus.... to prove a religious point? I dont believe it

Yeah don't mention the comment about that bank, it happens to all of us at one point.

(So your not a Hindu?)"With Hinduism you also get satisfaction guarenteed or another life free of charge. You'll keep getting another live until you live the perfect life." So you get as many trys as you want? sounds kind of..."made for the benefit of the believer doctin" so what happens if you never live a right life? who or what says whats right and wrong?, also...if you do things bad all your life you never get punished? or if your a good person and some one is mean to you all your life and he doesn't get punished?Trolling or being silly. I'm silly at more than one point and on several lines. Forget I just said that. Please.

No, I'm not Hindu. I barely know how the major religion of my own country works let alone that of another country's.

If there was ever a religion made for the believer it's Christianity. All you have to do is renounce your since and confirm Jesus as your savior and you're in. Doesn't matter when you do this, you can even do it on your death bed (convert, not copulate).

I can't answer your questions on Hinduism as I'm not a knowledgable source.

Thank you for sharing your views on Taliban and their destruction of the sandstone Buddhas.

We at NationStates General do kindly request that do not share your views again. Thank you for your cooperation.

Poor little baby doesn't like truth, go hide from it.

If you actually spoke for Nation States it would be worse joke than it is now.

You abrahamic-centric people. Forget your silly religions and become Hindu. Vishu has already sent 9 avatars and only 11.1% of them are contested. So for a more reliable creed, choose Hinduism. With Hinduism you also get the reasurance of a religion that has been honed by time, unlike many of our newer competitors. With Hinduism you also get satisfaction guarenteed or another life free of charge. You'll keep getting another live until you live the perfect life.

What's more we guarentee that someone will always been on the other end of the phone to help, free of charge whichever country you live. We have managed to do this by outsourcing all your call centre jobs, so we can guarentee a Hindu will always be only a phone call away... unless of course you get one of those weird muslims that live in Gujarat. If so, just hang up and try again.

So if you want a wider choice, a better choice, a bigger choice then convert to Hinduism today and you'll be automatically entered in our prize draw to win a free trip to Angkor Wat - the BIGGEST temple of any religion in the world. Bigger really is better.



please tell me that was a joke, so i'll feel a little better about laughing so hard... ROFL

Hm. Hinduism, eh? Sell me on it: why put up with 250,000 lifetimes of the same annoying stuff I have to live with in this one (prime among them being that I must listen to people whine about religion) to ultimately become a cow and be eaten with a side of French fries, when I could follow an Abrahamic religion and get more or less the same accomplished with just one lifetime?

Reincarnation's only a good thing if you're reborn a prince, which is pretty rare these days...and more like a punishment if you're born a European prince. Yugh.

According to the book of Revelations, the rebuilding of the temple will be a work of the antichrist, known as the Beast, to give the Jewish people a false security and cause them to believe he is on thier side. Immediately after its completion, however, the Beast will turn against them and the worst horrors to ever beset mankind will occur. This falls between the Rapture of Christ's saints and the Second Coming of Christ when He steps down on the Mount of Olives and destroys Satan's armies and establishes His 1,000 year earthly kingdom.

funny, that's not what i read. can you give me a reference please? more specific than "the book of revelation" because when i read it, i must have somehow missed a lot of that.

"The question of a future Temple gets more complicated when we realize that the Bible teaches that two temples are yet to stand on the Temple Mount in the future. First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by a Millennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom on this earth. Let's look at the Scriptures dealing with these two future temples.

The Millennium Temple
Chapters 40-48 of Ezekiel's prophecy contain a grand and detailed vision of a glorious Temple to be built sometime in the future. Ezekiel was given the precise dimensions of this future Temple (chapters 40-42), and he foresaw the glory of the Lord returning to this Temple (chapter 43). Ezekiel was given details of the function of the priests and Levites and the order of worship in this future Temple (chapters 43-46). He was shown the layout for the whole area surrounding the future temple complex (chapter 45). Chapters 47-48, which give the future topographical changes in the Jerusalem area and the political reorganization of the whole land with the 12 tribes of Israel, complete this amazing prophetic vision given to Ezekiel."
http://www.growingchristians.org/dfgc/future.html

More information here:
http://www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html


ok, so it says the temple would be rebuilt if israel repented from their sins. and it was. then it was destroyed again because of their next rejection of God. (John 19:41-44) but i'm not seeing in your Ezekiel passage there where it says that the rebuilding is a prerequisite to Jesus coming again.

ok, so it says the temple would be rebuilt if israel repented from their sins. and it was. then it was destroyed again because of their next rejection of God. (John 19:41-44) but i'm not seeing in your Ezekiel passage there where it says that the rebuilding is a prerequisite to Jesus coming again.
If you're looking for a sentence that says that, you won't find it. But the two are linked. One thing I found that links them (just by looking around a bit online) is,

The Crown and the Temple

9And the word of the LORD came to me: 10"Take from the exiles Heldai, Tobijah, and Jedaiah, who have arrived from Babylon, and go the same day to the house of Josiah, the son of Zephaniah. 11Take from them silver and gold, and make a crown, and set it on the head of Joshua, the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. 12And say to him, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: for he shall branch out from his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD. 13It is he who shall build the temple of the LORD and shall bear royal honor, and shall sit and rule on his throne. And there shall be a priest on his throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both."' 14And the crown shall be in the temple of the LORD as a reminder to Helem,[a] Tobijah, Jedaiah, and Hen the son of Zephaniah.


15"And those who are far off shall come and help to build the temple of the LORD. And you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. And this shall come to pass, if you will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God."

And:

Christians believe that the promised Messiah, Jesus (Yeshua), has already come to earth once--and will come a second time to establish his millennial kingdom on the earth, ruling thereafter from Jerusalem from the throne of His forefather King David. The New Testament Epistle to the Hebrews describes the once-for-all, fully-efficacious, blood sacrifice of Jesus as the true Lamb of God. In contrast, the animal sacrifices of the Old Covenant were but shadows pointing to Messiah's coming. Although the New Testament speaks three times of the existence of a Third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem at the end of the present age, as we have already discussed, the fate of that Third Temple is not given in the New Testament.

http://www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html

More "Please, Don't"s, you lunatics.

Slight problem of one teency weency infinitesmal mosque.

lmao yeah, only a slight problem.

it will be the cause of total war in the middle east if they even look at that mosque in dreams of knocking it down and building over it

Question:
Is it official that the Sanhedrin will now rebuild Solomons Temple on the old site on the Temple Mount and that building will commence 2005 and be completed some time during 2007? Please send me all the details possible.


Answer:
Unfortunately we don’t have a Sanhedrin yet and G-d did not inform us yet about his current plan and time table of when he will rebuild the third temple.
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/eng/print.asp?id=1980

Do you think they will/should rebuild Solomon's Temple? Many far-right fundies would like Jesus to return and I understand this is one of the requirements. What do you think?Moddamnit ...
Zilam brought this up the other day. And i've spent the past two days cursing the f*cking abominable idea, and now it's gonna come up?
Waste the f*cking dirt. Turn it to glass (sans personas) so we don't have to worry about the "Christ" turning into that vindictive, vitriolic bastard that the fundies want so bad.

Moddamnit ...
Zilam brought this up the other day. And i've spent the past two days cursing the f*cking abominable idea, and now it's gonna come up?
Waste the f*cking dirt. Turn it to glass (sans personas) so we don't have to worry about the "Christ" turning into that vindictive, vitriolic bastard that the fundies want so bad.
I found that quote really funny though. It's nice to see religous people have a sense of humor about their faith.

I found that quote really funny though. It's nice to see religous people have a sense of humor about their faith.
Might be the only real prayer left!

Poor little baby doesn't like truth, go hide from it.

If you actually spoke for Nation States it would be worse joke than it is now.In the words of John McEnroe - 'You cannot be serious'. Only in less of an angry tone and in more of an amused tone.

Your truth is subjective as it gets. Beliefs and opinion, all of it. Call me fickle, but I now find you quite amusing.:)


please tell me that was a joke, so i'll feel a little better about laughing so hard... ROFLYes, it was a joke... The only Religion that I know of that uses advertisments to gain converts is the Christian right. They really aren't joking, but then they actually are a joke so that makes it alright.

Bad... so bad. I don't normally throw insults around... much... at least not at people I don't know. Friends are the best targets as they can come up with good retalitory insults, so we can both laugh together. :)

why not just build a church of Robotology on the site

why not just build a church of Robotology on the site
People have lost faith in Bender since Futurama was cancelled.

"TO ALL PERSONS OF THE JEWISH FAITH ALL OVER THE WORLD:
A project to rebuild the Temple of God in Israel is now being started. With Divine Guidance and Help the "Temple" will be completed. Jews will be inspired to conduct themselves in such a moral way that our Maker will see fit to pay us a visit here on earth. Imagine the warm feeling that will be ours when this happy event takes place. "THIS IS MY GOD" is the book that was the inspiration for this undertaking. God will place in the minds of many person in all walks of Jewish life the desire to participate in this work. Executive talent, Administrations, and Workers on all levels are needed. All efforts will be anonymous. GOD will know those desiring to participate.

Please write to Box M-917, The Washington Post. Under no circumstances send contributions. "GOD'S WILL WILL PREVAIL."



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The above advertisement appeared in the Washington Post, on May 21, 1967---before Jerusalem was liberated. The caption letters were 72 points - one inch - high. The ad occupied a space of eleven by eight inches.

Although the ban on visiting the Temple Mount is in effect it has not stopped those in Israel for thinking about the realization of a long lost dream, the rebuilding of the Temple. Once the city of Jerusalem was retaken this was no longer a pipe dream. Time magazine reported:

Since the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD 70, Conservative and Orthodox Jews have beseeched God four times a week to 'renew our days' as they once were---a plea for the restoration of the Temple. Although Zionism was largely a secular movement, one of its sources was the prayers of the Jews for a return to Palestine so that they could build a temple . . . Learned Jewish opinion has long debated when and how the temple can be rebuilt. The great medieval philosopher Maimonides, in his Code of Jewish Law, argued that every generation of Jews was obliged to rebuild the temple if its site was ever retaken, if a leader descended from David could be found, and if the enemies of Jerusalem were destroyed. (Ref. 7)."
http://www.templemount.org/tempprep.html


"In Casselberry, I saw Salomon work the Christian congregants into a flag-waving--Israeli flag waving--frenzy. Afterward, as the congregants lined up to give Salomon checks and even their jewelry to pay for rebuilding the Temple, I asked him, "Would you be saddened if the destruction of the Dome of the Rock led to war?"

"I don't think it will come to that. The Muslims know in their heart that this belongs to us."

"But what if it did lead to war?"

"OK," he said impatiently, "so we'll have a war."

In Jerusalem I also talked to a Muslim religious leader appointed by Yasir Arafat's Palestinian Authority, the Mufti of Jerusalem, Ekrima Sabri.

"If the Jews want peace, they will stay away from Al Aksa," Sabri told me when I met with him in his office near the Temple Mount. "This is a decree from God. The Haram al-Sharif belongs to the Muslim. But we know the Jew is planning on destroying the Haram. The Jew will get the Christian to do his work for him. This is the way of the Jews. This is the way Satan manifests himself. The majority of the Jews want to destroy the mosque. They are preparing this as we speak."

"The Temple is within human reach," Ismar Schorsch, the chancellor of the Jewish Theological Seminary, said. "That's the danger. They're almost there. They can feel it. They're standing at the foot of the Mount. If you believe that God isn't going to abandon you, then you're not intimidated by a billion Muslims."
http://www.thefamily.org/endtime/feature.php3?cid=1&id=177

People have lost faith in Bender since Futurama was cancelled.
No, no, my faith is being dangled in front of me ... only a year away! WooT!!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0471711/

No, no, my faith is being dangled in front of me ... only a year away! WooT!!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0471711/
Are they still bringing the show back?

Oh, yeah. And Solomon's temple: discuss.

Are they still bringing the show back?I didn't hear they were gonna revive the show, just about the movie. Indeed, tell me more, pray?
And it's tugging my "faith" but it's really "hope" we're talking about ...
Gypsy: "Look, you want false hope or not?"
Fry: "Only if you don't have any real hope."

Oh, yeah. And Solomon's temple: discuss.Ah .... didn't i a little while back?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10904796&postcount=79

Question:
Is it official that the Sanhedrin will now rebuild Solomons Temple on the old site on the Temple Mount and that building will commence 2005 and be completed some time during 2007? Please send me all the details possible.


Answer:
Unfortunately we don’t have a Sanhedrin yet and G-d did not inform us yet about his current plan and time table of when he will rebuild the third temple.
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/eng/print.asp?id=1980

Do you think they will/should rebuild Solomon's Temple? Many far-right fundies would like Jesus to return and I understand this is one of the requirements. What do you think?


I really don't give a crap. If that miserable crust of dirt was ever holy, that was washed away in blood a long time ago. It's just a killing ground now.

I really don't give a crap. If that miserable crust of dirt was ever holy, that was washed away in blood a long time ago. It's just a killing ground now.
Hear hear! *bows*