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Interesting poll that is about about news viewership. Fox news edges CNN as the most credible news source. I actually think that is about right. I really don't see the problem with either CNN or FOX. They both do a fairly good job in news reporting.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=215

Take a look at this thread and you'll see why. FOX gets more details, they get them sooner, and they are more accurate.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481003

Their editorial content may be right-leaning, but their news is straight, hard and unfiltered

There is a considerable Partisan variance in their results:
http://people-press.org/reports/images/215-4.gif

Now if you just look at the Republicans you will see that they simply do not trust any news at all. The Democrats, on the other hand, nearly trust CNN.

Could this be due to the Republicans not wanting to believe the truth?

Interesting poll that is about about news viewership. Fox news edges CNN as the most credible news source. I actually think that is about right. I really don't see the problem with either CNN or FOX. They both do a fairly good job in news reporting.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=215
If 100,000,000 people are wrong, it doesn't matter how much they believe it--they're still wrong.

If 100,000,000 people are wrong, it doesn't matter how much they believe it--they're still wrong.

How do you know you are not of that 100m that are wrong?

There is a considerable Partisan variance in their results:
http://people-press.org/reports/images/215-4.gif

Now if you just look at the Republicans you will see that they simply do not trust any news at all. The Democrats, on the other hand, nearly trust CNN.

Could this be due to the Republicans not wanting to believe the truth?
hey, let me throw some salt in your eyes :D

Political polarization is increasingly reflected in the public's news viewing habits. Since 2000, the Fox News Channel's gains have been greatest among political conservatives and Republicans. More than half of regular Fox viewers describe themselves as politically conservative (52%), up from 40% four years ago. At the same time, CNN, Fox's principal rival, has a more Democrat-leaning audience than in the past.


CNN's once dominant credibility ratings have slumped in recent years, mostly among Republicans and independents. By comparison, the Fox News Channel's believability ratings have remained steady both overall and within partisan groups.

The partisan nature of these ratings is underscored by the fact that, while roughly the same proportion of Republicans and Democrats view Fox News as credible, Fox ranks as the most trusted news source among Republicans but is among the least trusted by Democrats

The number tracking overseas news closely
most of the time has increased from 37% in 2002 to 52%, which appears to be driven by the broad interest in the conflict in Iraq.


O and how about some burning sulfer? muhahaha


Regular readers of literary magazines like the New Yorker and the Atlantic proved to be the most knowledgeable 59% correctly answered four current events questions, a higher percentage than any other news audience. The readership of these magazines also has the greatest proportion of college graduates. Readers of political magazines such as the Weekly Standard and The New Republic rank second, along with the audience for Larry King Live. King's audience is not as well-educated as the readership of literary or political magazines, but is considerably older.

How do you know you are not of that 100m that are wrong?
Because I've seen enough biased bullshit that passes for reporting--like that joke of a story B0zzy is jumping on about Kennedy, for instance--to know that Fox is a joke. Some stations have a clear line between editorial and news--Fox not only obscures that line, they rub it out, cover it up, and take a shit on it so you won't want to get too close to see if it's really there.

How do you know you are not of that 100m that are wrong?
I think liberal commie NSers are included in that 100 million.

I think liberal commie NSers are included in that 100 million.
You want to know why you get pwned in every debate you get into around here? It's because you believe shit like Fox News.

I think liberal commie NSers are included in that 100 million.
Grow up.

Because I've seen enough biased bullshit that passes for reporting--like that joke of a story B0zzy is jumping on about Kennedy, for instance--to know that Fox is a joke. Some stations have a clear line between editorial and news--Fox not only obscures that line, they rub it out, cover it up, and take a shit on it so you won't want to get too close to see if it's really there.


I think that CNN has a good example of outright crappy reporting during the Katrina disaster. They were reporting things that didn't happen. Basically reporting rumors. What I am reffering to is the Superdome.

I think that CNN has a good example of outright crappy reporting during the Katrina disaster. They were reporting things that didn't happen. Basically reporting rumors. What I am reffering to is the Superdome.

The superdome didn't happen?

Um... I'm not sure I understand you, what exactly about the superdome didn't happen?

Taking a slightly different approach to this let's ask this question: How did CNN and Fox News get their viewership?

CNN made it's name for being the first All News Network broadcast.

Fox News was started for ideological competition, and to provide a different editorial tone.

That will provide some of the explianation as to why the networks have their reputations.

The superdome didn't happen?

Um... I'm not sure I understand you, what exactly about the superdome didn't happen?


The massive rapes and killings is what I am talking about. Figured everyone knew. Will spell it out next time.

I think that CNN has a good example of outright crappy reporting during the Katrina disaster. They were reporting things that didn't happen. Basically reporting rumors. What I am reffering to is the Superdome.
Everybody reported that shit, more to their shame. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not much of a fan of the corporate media.

Everybody reported that shit, more to their shame. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not much of a fan of the corporate media.

Nazz this is where you and I have a common ground. Corporate media spreads to much bullshit in one day to cover the earth 10ft deep. It takes some intelligence to sift through the crap. Sometimes even the most intelligent get fooled.

Pretty much all US television news is nonsense. I can't watch any of it; I start to feel my mind decaying.

Grow up.

Cê tá ligado que ele não vai crescer de jeito nenhum, né?

I do believe they completely left out the BBC and other, non-US media.

I mean, who watches US news anyway?

Their editorial content may be right-leaning, but their news is straight, hard and unfiltered

Is it a news channel or a brand of cigarettes?

I do believe they completely left out the BBC and other, non-US media.

I mean, who watches US news anyway?

The two main English speaking news sources I see when I travel are BBC international and CNN international. However in Morocco I can get Fox along with a whole lot of American tv stations.

I do believe they completely left out the BBC and other, non-US media.

I mean, who watches US news anyway?
Far too many USians, that's who.

I'm not one of them.

Cê tá ligado que ele não vai crescer de jeito nenhum, né?

Sim, sei disso, mas foi a coisa mais suave que eu pudesse escrever naquele momento.

Sim, sei disso, mas foi a coisa mais suave que eu pudesse escrever naquele momento.


Damn only thing I can remember to say from visiting Portugal is Obregado and copo de cerveja O uisque. Wait I have more Boa tarde, Bom dia.

Damn only thing I can remember to say from visiting Portugal is Obregado and copo de cerveja O uisque. Wait I have more Boa tarde, Bom dia.

And that is about all that you would need there. Sim and não help as well though. Don't worry. There is nothing of any real significance being said. Just confirmation of something that we all already know.

. Just confirmation of something that we all already know.
What? That most people do not understand portuguese? :p Anyway I did enjoy Portugal alot. Would recomend anyone to visit.

Interesting poll that is about about news viewership. Fox news edges CNN as the most credible news source. I actually think that is about right. I really don't see the problem with either CNN or FOX. They both do a fairly good job in news reporting.
Are you drinking tonight? I've read through it twice and Fox still doesn't edge CNN as most credible. From the report:
CNN's once dominant credibility ratings have slumped in recent years, mostly among Republicans and independents. By comparison, the Fox News Channel's believability ratings have remained steady both overall and within partisan groups. Nonetheless, among those able to rate the networks, more continue to say they can believe all or most of what they hear on CNN than say
that about Fox News Channel (32% vs. 25%).As far as cable news, all this report does is describe the continued polarization of viewing audiences.

What? That most people do not understand portuguese? :p Anyway I did enjoy Portugal alot. Would recomend anyone to visit.

That as well. ;)

I have never actually been to Portugal, heard it's nice though.

That as well. ;)

I have never actually been to Portugal, heard it's nice though.

You gotta go. If your single then its a real bonus. Met some really friendly ladies in Lisboa.;)

You gotta go. If your single then its a real bonus. Met some really friendly ladies in Lisboa.;)

Hehe - but I married a Brazilian :p

All news media outlets are slanted to whatever their corporate mothership wants them to. CNN, FOX, BBC, NBC, ABC, the whole alphabet, have good coverage and bad coverage.

The question is not "Whos better", but "how intelligent are you and how much crap on TV are you willing to question?":rolleyes:

Never trust the media completely, never stop asking questions, and never believe anything at face value. :cool:

Now, drink your warm milk and go to sleep...:p

ABCNNBCBS, a division of Fox.

ABCNNBCBS, a division of Fox.
I think I just heard wingnut heads explode all over the internets. :D

Sense when did popularity make something true or false?

Sense when did popularity make something true or false?
I think it was the Macarena that caused it.

Interesting poll that is about about news viewership. Fox news edges CNN as the most credible news source. I actually think that is about right. I really don't see the problem with either CNN or FOX. They both do a fairly good job in news reporting.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=215

Actually, this is what people believe to be true, not whether or not it actually IS. Perhaps the people at FOX are just better liars? There actually IS data to support that. When asked if Iraq has weapons of mass destructions, the people who watch fox are much more likely to say "yes". Same for "The international community generally supports the war in Iraq". In fact, people who watch FOX are given distorted facts about almost everything political.

See: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc

Also, here's a website listing rigorous scientific studies that all refute FOX as a reputable media source:
http://www.outfoxed.org/Documents.php

Hehe - but I married a Brazilian :p

I heard they get real jealous. Maybe skip the single set and just check out the scenery.

Are you drinking tonight? I've read through it twice and Fox still doesn't edge CNN as most credible. From the report:
As far as cable news, all this report does is describe the continued polarization of viewing audiences.

Why yes I have but maybe I could have chosen the wording better. Anyway you are correct in that last comment.

I trust FOX as it fits in nicely with my impression of the majority of Americans. :)

actually the FOX NEWS is decent and balanced ..much more so than My old Favorite ABC ...the poll sort of shows this...but...hehehe the freaks and the taliking heads sometimes make my head want to expload ...I actually have to duct tape my head so it it doesnt just blow off...you can go from one extreme to the other so damned ffast your head will go all exorcist on ya ..

That dude from the Mid west..the heart land..he scares the shit out of me..

O' freakin reilly...sometimes makes a great point ...but loses me on seperation of church and state stuff...way to much preachin going on ..speaking of that.... kookaboo Hannity ? What a piece of work...

Although Howard stern cracked me up when he tried to get him to admit he pulled his pud and stuff...but that was on the radio show .....

The regular news is well done and factual . No making up stuff and rushing to the air withoout fact checks ..or Dan rather type shit...BTW that is also reflected in the results..

Unless you want to just drink beer and throw the emptys at hannity or scream insults at O'reilly or one of his insane guest..lay off the non news segments...the commentary and editorializing...VERY right wing...WAY further than I am willing to venture . But the news is top rate .

Why yes I have but maybe I could have chosen the wording better. Anyway you are correct in that last comment.

Should have "chosen the wording better"?

The article proves the direct opposite of what you claimed.

You said (emphasis added):

Interesting poll that is about about news viewership. Fox news edges CNN as the most credible news source. I actually think that is about right. I really don't see the problem with either CNN or FOX. They both do a fairly good job in news reporting.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=215

Your headline further claimed that your link somehow showed that Fox wasn't Faux News. Your whole thesis was that the poll showed Fox was credible, but the article says no such thing.

You were mistaken to confuse popularity with accuracy in the first place. But the article does not say more people believe Fox News is credible. To the contrary, as Rubina pointed out, the article says that more people find CNN credible.

This was not a simple matter of miswording. Your whole point is backwards.

This was not a simple matter of miswording. Your whole point is backwards.
Again, right in line with FauX thinking.

Being English, I watched the TV on my times in the US, and found the quality of the news and in particular the total lack of any real world wide news coverage shocking. I also found the short choppy sound bite way of much of the reporting juvenile and came home thanking god for good ol' Auntie, fallible though she may be, it knocks all manner of spots off anything I saw in the US.

Because I've seen enough biased bullshit that passes for reporting--like that joke of a story B0zzy is jumping on about Kennedy, for instance--to know that Fox is a joke. Some stations have a clear line between editorial and news--Fox not only obscures that line, they rub it out, cover it up, and take a shit on it so you won't want to get too close to see if it's really there.
The classic eg of this was recently. The other day I turned to FOX and they were going on about the immigrant protests.
The 'reporter' who was ostensibly meant to be doing a reporters job - that is simply stating the facts, suddenly said, "The American public doesn't want to see these criminals get citizenship simply because a few of them protested illegally".
What made it even funnier was the line at the bottom of the screen which read "FOX FACTS".
I guess unsubstantiated rabid right-wing opinions are 'fox facts'.

Being English, I watched the TV on my times in the US, and found the quality of the news and in particular the total lack of any real world wide news coverage shocking.
2 nights ago, breaking news on BBC: 7.8 earthquake in Tonga. Warnings about a possible Tsunami.
Out of interest I switch to Fox and they're interviewing Bob Dole about the immigrant protests last Monday.
I leave it on for another hour, and there's no mention about the earthquake at all. In fact, the only mention about the world outside the US in that entire time was the weather report.

2 nights ago, breaking news on BBC: 7.8 earthquake in Tonga. Warnings about a possible Tsunami.
Out of interest I switch to Fox and they're interviewing Bob Dole about the immigrant protests last Monday.
I leave it on for another hour, and there's no mention about the earthquake at all. In fact, the only mention about the world outside the US in that entire time was the weather report.

That just about sums it up really...

I used to chat via MSN with an American guy I met through NS who considered himself to be well informed and more world wise than the average American...I talked to him about current events, many of which he was totally unaware of...he had NO idea who Robert Mugabe is...and when I asked him his opinions on much of what has been happening in the last few years throughout Africa...he knew almost nothing. He had not even heard of Idi Amin...I know that this was 'old' news, being the late 70's, but I can not beleive that he as a guy in his 30's had never heard of this monster. And for those of you who have no idea what I am talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin

I trust FOX as it fits in nicely with my impression of the majority of Americans. :)

such an angry young lad.

such an angry young lad.

Not really. That sort of fits with my image as well. The posters on NS haven't exactly done much to dispel that image.

Not really. That sort of fits with my image as well. The posters on NS haven't exactly done much to dispel that image.

Same with me, too, and I am an American. :p

Not really. That sort of fits with my image as well. The posters on NS haven't exactly done much to dispel that image.

Its alright. Someday you'll both grow up. You feel Americans on NS are ambassadors from the US? Think of what impression I'd have of your country, were that how we were to think.

Its alright. Someday you'll both grow up. You feel Americans on NS are ambassadors from the US? Think of what impression I'd have of your country, were that how we were to think.

Grow up? Oh, I see. Insults - very nice, very nice. And no, I don't think you're ambassadors (God help us if you were). There are more than a few decent, intelligent Americans on NS. However, for every decent one, you get half a dozen idiots. I really can't say the same for many other nationalities on NS.

That just about sums it up really...

I used to chat via MSN with an American guy I met through NS who considered himself to be well informed and more world wise than the average American...I talked to him about current events, many of which he was totally unaware of...he had NO idea who Robert Mugabe is...and when I asked him his opinions on much of what has been happening in the last few years throughout Africa...he knew almost nothing. He had not even heard of Idi Amin...I know that this was 'old' news, being the late 70's, but I can not beleive that he as a guy in his 30's had never heard of this monster. And for those of you who have no idea what I am talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin


While I agree with your points, that is not the issue here. What is under debate is how credible the news sources are, not how comprehensive they are.

Put it this way: which source would you trust more for news concerning medical developments - The Lancet or The BBC?
I don't know about you, but I would trust the Lancet much more, it is after all a specialist publication on the subject.

Now which source do the US citizenry trust more for their news? This does not depend on how broad the news coverage is, and in some ways there is an inverse relationship between breadth of coverage and reliablity. How accurate Fox is with regard to US political news I can not judge, but the absence of reports about earthquakes in the Pacific or dictators in Africa has no bearing on this.

While I agree with your points, that is not the issue here. What is under debate is how credible the news sources are, not how comprehensive they are.

Put it this way: which source would you trust more for news concerning medical developments - The Lancet or The BBC?
I don't know about you, but I would trust the Lancet much more, it is after all a specialist publication on the subject.

Now which source do the US citizenry trust more for their news? This does not depend on how broad the news coverage is, and in some ways there is an inverse relationship between breadth of coverage and reliablity. How accurate Fox is with regard to US political news I can not judge, but the absence of reports about earthquakes in the Pacific or dictators in Africa has no bearing on this.
It does bear on their ability as a world news source, however, and they claim to be a world news source. What they really are is an US-centric politically conservative spin machine that broadcasts just enough "news" to claim that they're a news organization. They don't do investigative journalism, for instance--in fact, they don't do anything that might actually cost money, outside of paying their talking heads--as well as their anchors--to editorialize.

It does bear on their ability as a world news source, however, and they claim to be a world news source. What they really are is an US-centric politically conservative spin machine that broadcasts just enough "news" to claim that they're a news organization. They don't do investigative journalism, for instance--in fact, they don't do anything that might actually cost money, outside of paying their talking heads--as well as their anchors--to editorialize.

I am not defending them. I find Fox News to be as offensive as any media outlet in existence. The question though does not concern what they present, but addresses the trust the viewers place in whatever it is that they present.
The fact that they claim to be a world news source and are not should impact on this trust, I agree. But it appears that for a certain group of viewers it does not affect the credibility of Fox. I cannot, in all honesty, blame Fox for that. US centrism appears to be a systemic malaise in US media, from light entertainment programes through to 'international' business magazines via sports radio. As this US centrism effectively creates a very narrow field of interest in the majority (apparently) of US citizens, then a revenue driven media outlet is going to pander to this limited scope. It is a viscious positive feedback circle that is going to be very difficult to break.

Should have "chosen the wording better"?

The article proves the direct opposite of what you claimed.

You said (emphasis added):



Your headline further claimed that your link somehow showed that Fox wasn't Faux News. Your whole thesis was that the poll showed Fox was credible, but the article says no such thing.

You were mistaken to confuse popularity with accuracy in the first place. But the article does not say more people believe Fox News is credible. To the contrary, as Rubina pointed out, the article says that more people find CNN credible.

This was not a simple matter of miswording. Your whole point is backwards.
And this thread turns to slapstick hilarity. Amazing..

And this thread turns to slapstick hilarity. Amazing..

Apparently Fox news isn't so not Faux according to poll. Reply to Thread.

Being English, I watched the TV on my times in the US, and found the quality of the news and in particular the total lack of any real world wide news coverage shocking. I also found the short choppy sound bite way of much of the reporting juvenile and came home thanking god for good ol' Auntie, fallible though she may be, it knocks all manner of spots off anything I saw in the US.

In the US, the coverage of international news is very poor. Most Americans do not even know what is going on in Europe, South America, Africa, or Asia. I usually rely on the BBC World news channel, which I am fortunate to have, as well as the internet for other international news.

The media in America is very nationalistic, inward looking and I find very self centered. There is an idea that the US is somehow the center of the world and international news is relegated to snippets of special interest. Shame on the rest of my ignorant American compatriots.:mad:

Why is American news coverage so American-centric?

First off, I'm thinking that many people are forgetting just how BIG the US is. It's about 3x the size of the EU, so why would international news sell that well?

There's been a coup in some little country that has no connection to me, so why should I pay attention, when there are far closer matters to attend to?

:headbang:

The major papers where I live have roughly similar sized sections on national and internation togther and "Local" news, which covers an area about the size of the island of Great Britian.

Also, in the US, it's a Business. The show what sells, rather than what some one thinks is important. They still play the ratings game.

Oh, and I'd love to see the results of similar polls on knowledge of international affairs from other countries. It be so informative, rather than just straight up US bashing with out comparison.

Why is American news coverage so American-centric?

First off, I'm thinking that many people are forgetting just how BIG the US is. It's about 3x the size of the EU, so why would international news sell that well?

There's been a coup in some little country that has no connection to me, so why should I pay attention, when there are far closer matters to attend to?

:headbang:

The major papers where I live have roughly similar sized sections on national and internation togther and "Local" news, which covers an area about the size of the island of Great Britian.

Also, in the US, it's a Business. The show what sells, rather than what some one thinks is important. They still play the ratings game.

Oh, and I'd love to see the results of similar polls on knowledge of international affairs from other countries. It be so informative, rather than just straight up US bashing with out comparison.
Yeah but the midwest is a bulk of our size and nothing happens there. Is the corn still growing? It is? Good.

I agree with the news being American Centric, but I also like to check up on BBC, because they show what is going on elsewhere. As the American Media is now brainwashing americans into this"Global Community" bullshit, I think that American media should start reporting on events abroad too (something besides the lastest Korean cell phone

It's funny, it seems like all media is POS, especially newspapers.

My brother was in a newspaper story a couple years ago, and the editors put so many words in his mouth that it made him seem like a total idiot. He never said anything that they put in the paper. He should have sued them.

Interesting poll that is about about news viewership. Fox news edges CNN as the most credible news source. I actually think that is about right. I really don't see the problem with either CNN or FOX. They both do a fairly good job in news reporting.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=215
You're assuming that the most accurate is the most popular. What is that based on?

Why is American news coverage so American-centric?

First off, I'm thinking that many people are forgetting just how BIG the US is. It's about 3x the size of the EU, so why would international news sell that well?.

You are truly ignorant. The European Union consist of 25 member countries, and has a population of 450 million people. The US s 1 country with a population of 280 million. :rolleyes: The United States is NOT the center of the universe, as much as ignorant nationalistic fools would like to be.



There's been a coup in some little country that has no connection to me, so why should I pay attention, when there are far closer matters to attend to?.

Because it is important for educated, cultured people to know what is going on in the world, wether it affects you directly or not. I guess thats too much to ask...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Also, in the US, it's a Business. The show what sells, rather than what some one thinks is important. They still play the ratings game..

Thats the problem. Feed the hungry herd of ignorant ma-a-a-a-a-a-asses what they want...:rolleyes: :headbang:

Oh, and I'd love to see the results of similar polls on knowledge of international affairs from other countries. It be so informative, rather than just straight up US bashing with out comparison.

I guess it would be too much to expect you to be able to look it up yourself?
Most Europeans, by comparison, are much more educated and informed about the current state of affairs concerning the international community. Europeans read more, and have a genuine interest in foreign issues wether they affect them or not. If Americans don't like to hear US Bashing, then maybe we should strive to beark the negative sterotypes instead of perpetuating them.:cool: