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Funny how the details seem to be emerging. Lesson is - It is OK to drink and drive - but only for SOME people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060504/ap_on_re_us/patrick_kennedy_crash
He denied alcohol was a factor.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/04/kennedy.accident/index.html
The officials said officers at the scene reported seeing the car swerve before the crash and said Kennedy appeared intoxicated. After the accident, they drove Kennedy home. There was no indication from the sources that a sobriety test was given or that an arrest was made.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194329,00.html

Kennedy appeared to be intoxicated when he crashed his car into a barrier on Capitol Hill early Thursday morning, said Louis P. Cannon, president of the Washington chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police.

Kennedy said he was late for a vote, said Officer Greg Baird, who is acting chairman of the Capitol Hill chapter of the FOP police union. The last vote of the night had occurred almost six hours earlier.

Baird wrote acting Capitol Police Chief Christopher McGaffin that two sergeants who responded to the accident conferred with the watch commander and were ordered to leave the scene. He said that after the officers left, Capitol Police officials gave Kennedy a ride home

Hey Pat! it's alot harder to cover up these days when not all of the media is in bed with your party. I find it funny how the details emerge as the source gets further from the DNC.

Hmmm. No sobriety test given at the scene, which means that the cop on the scene must not have thought he warranted one. Kennedy denies haveing consumed any alcohol, and there's no indication, even in your precious Fox News report, that he was given a BA test, which would prove it conclusively. And the only person who is, so far, claiming that Kennedy was drunk wasn't on the scene at all.

I call bullshit--with this caveat. If he was drunk and it was covered up, then shame on him and on the cops. But that's a hell of a caveat given the lack of evidence that he was, you know, drunk.

Kennedy's are good drinking buddies of mine, leave them alone.

Hmmm. No sobriety test given at the scene, which means that the cop on the scene must not have thought he warranted one.
Read closer - they were ordere away.

Kennedy denies haveing consumed any alcohol, and there's no indication, even in your precious Fox News report, that he was given a BA test, which would prove it conclusively. And the only person who is, so far, claiming that Kennedy was drunk wasn't on the scene at all.

I call bullshit--with this caveat. If he was drunk and it was covered up, then shame on him and on the cops. But that's a hell of a caveat given the lack of evidence that he was, you know, drunk.

THe witnesses said he displayed intoxicated behavior - even the police. They were ordered away by their superoir = coverup.

Read closer next time - these little details are important.

Read closer - they were ordere away.


THe witnesses said he displayed intoxicated behavior - even the police. They were ordered away by their superoir = coverup.

Read closer next time - these little details are important.
I read them. They still add up the same way--no proof. If you want to say it looks suspicious, I'll agree with you. But there's no proof of anything here, and you're spinning this--just as the lone person speaking out on this is--as though there's no doubt about it. There's boatloads of doubt about it. At least be honest about that much--don't let your partisan hatred for all things Kennedy get the best of you.

I don’t care if he was drunk or not. Its roflicious.

I wonder if his buds hassle him about it.:D
Wait, do Kennedys have buds?:confused:

I read them. They still add up the same way--no proof. If you want to say it looks suspicious, I'll agree with you. But there's no proof of anything here, and you're spinning this--just as the lone person speaking out on this is--as though there's no doubt about it. There's boatloads of doubt about it. At least be honest about that much--don't let your partisan hatred for all things Kennedy get the best of you.


I sure wish that when I crashed my car while hurring to a vote that was six hours earlier the police watch commander would send the officers on scene away and drive me home.

There's a point where suspense of disbelief overrides everything else. Partisan is believing anyway.

Now shoo pot, shoo.

Wait, do Kennedys have buds?:confused:[/QUOTE]

green, skunky buds

green, skunky buds
mmmmmmmm

Every country needs its black sheep...besides J. F. K. bought them a LOT of slack in my book ...not that he would even recognize a DEMOCRAT if he tripped over one now days .

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
John F. Kennedy




Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.
John F. Kennedy



Our progress as a nation can be no swifter than our progress in education. The human mind is our fundamental resource.
John F. Kennedy


The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission.
John F. Kennedy


Well you get the point...

Its like I live in another world.... I was only 3 when I watched his casket being drawn down the road to the capital....It still bugs me in a fundemental way...it is very hard to describe...after him came the end of the world..then a light ..by of all people Ronald Regan....and now ...well at least Kennedy had better taste in women and could spell ...now we got we what have...

regan may have been a little loopy by the end ,,but the damned BERLIN wall fell ..I SAW IT ...

I grew up doing turtle drills ...and fearing the " bomb"

The wall fell and the devil was dead....

Now we have new devils ....

The more things change the more they stay the same ...

I want at least the " spirit " of JFK back

I want the blind faith in the " American way " that Reagan brought...alomg with pride and faith in our country..

I want to be rid of all these fucking BUFFOONS we call leaders .

I'm getting kinda sick of this shit .

Bush has balls he has a vision ..and a bunch of idiots around him ...WTF ?

I would prefer the opposite .

Forget about the democrats..they had the BALLS to put up KERRY ???
That alone .....cripes ..I guess you had to be alive when Kerry was just starting his long campaign of deceit and betrayall to understand...but KERRY ???

Did they think we all died or suddenly got BRAINDEAD...or more than likely ..they just figured a blow up doll could beat Bush at the time ..

God help us .

Wait, do Kennedys have buds?:confused:

green, skunky buds[/QUOTE]

someone had to say it,may as well be me!

"kennedys car has killed more people then my guns"

and thats a fact,scary but true.

ironic seeing as he comes from/represents a state that makes guns by the boatload,yet is anti gun.

hypocrites the lot of em...guess we have to ban cars now,or booze.

i bet cars and booze kill more people then my numerous guns,but seeing as my guns havent killed anyone in the 30 years i have been collecting them,i think the odds are in my favor.

cover up...you betchya!

and i aint no stinkin conservative.

hell freakin cheney had 2 dui's in a 8 month period,and was the head of the dod,and now our esteemed vp.

i have 3 dui's also in a 9 year span(but 2 of mine were money ones for the county) and 1 that i was guilty of i admit.(i actually got one when i wasnt in my car?)

point is...the rules are for us peons...and the lords of the manor,dem or repub dont have to abide by the rules...hell they get to be vp or esteemed senators.

i was rejected by the military because i had 1 dui at the time,by a guy in charge(cheney)who has 2?

what a wonderful world.

Wait, do Kennedys have buds?:confused:

Well...

If not Buds, perhaps Coronas, or Coors, or something. :p

The Kennedy's are getting better in this business. At least this time, they didn't commit murder while drinking and driving.

Gee B0zz, Yahoo's AP story has a 6PM EDT time stamp. CNN has 7PM EDT time stamp.

Fox News does NOT have a time stamp though.

So are we seeing media bias or more information as it comes out?

Oh, and Fox News says the officer was ordered to take Rep Kenndey home, but there nothing about him being ordered not to administer a breathalizer.

Keep trying, I'm sure you'll find something that just screams bias here sooner or later.

Teddy the Red-Nosed Senator " ( Sung to the tune of "Rudolph the red-nosed Reindeer).

Teddy the red-nosed senator
Had a very shiny car.
And if you ever saw it,
You were probably near a bar.
All of the other senators
Wondered how he got his dames.
They thought he drank too many
To play in any bedroom games.
Then one foggy Christmas Eve,
Santa came to say,
Teddy with your nose so red,
Won't you help me guide my sled."
That's how the police found them
Wrapped around a maple tree.
Teddy the red-nosed senator,
He's a druken SOB.

Gee B0zz, Yahoo's AP story has a 6PM EDT time stamp. CNN has 7PM EDT time stamp.

Fox News does NOT have a time stamp though.

So are we seeing media bias or more information as it comes out?

Oh, and Fox News says the officer was ordered to take Rep Kenndey home, but there nothing about him being ordered not to administer a breathalizer.

Keep trying, I'm sure you'll find something that just screams bias here sooner or later.

I hope for your sake you are not naive enough to think a Kennedy did not get treated ...umm " differently " in his own back yard.. ;)

dude ...I get cut breaks ..only because my DAD was in law enforcement...he's friggin retired...... wake up man ..

News update, hmm, curiouser and curiouser...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060505/ap_on_go_co/patrick_kennedy_crash;_ylt=AoqSFAQ06Y2NF_sQinZVVDRI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

WASHINGTON - Rep. Patrick Kennedy (news, bio, voting record) crashed his car near the Capitol early Thursday, and a police official said he appeared intoxicated. Kennedy said he had taken sleep medication and a prescription anti-nausea drug that can cause drowsiness.

Kennedy, D-R.I., addressed the issue after a spate of news reports. His initial statement said, "I consumed no alcohol prior to the incident."

Later, however, he issued a longer statement saying the attending physician for Congress had prescribed Phenergan on Tuesday to treat Kennedy's gastroenteritis, an inflammation of the stomach and intestines.

Oh, and B0zz,
Kennedy appeared to be intoxicated when he crashed his Ford Mustang into a barrier on Capitol Hill early Thursday morning, said Louis P. Cannon, president of the Washington chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police.

Cannon, who was not there, said the officers involved in the accident were instructed by an official "above the rank of patrolman" to take Kennedy home.

No sobriety tests were conducted at the scene.

A letter written by a Capitol Police officer to Acting Chief Christopher McGaffin said Kennedy appeared to be staggering when he left the vehicle after the crash about 3 a.m. The letter was first reported by Roll Call, a Capitol Hill newspaper.

Kennedy said he was late for a vote, officer Greg Baird said in the letter to McGaffin. Baird is acting chairman of the Capitol Hill chapter of the FOP police union. The last vote of the night had occurred almost six hours earlier.

Kennedy said he was driven home by Capitol police.

"At no time did I ask for any special consideration," he said. "I simply complied with what the officers asked me to do."
Yup, looks like more news as avalable than media bias... or do you have yet another point of 'proof' here?

I hope for your sake you are not naive enough to think a Kennedy did not get treated ...umm " differently " in his own back yard.. ;)

dude ...I get cut breaks ..only because my DAD was in law enforcement...he's friggin retired...... wake up man ..
I do not know if he got breaks due to being in Congress, but I am sure he did. However, what I was challenging was B0zzy's statement that somehow this is yet ANOTHER example of media bias and that only Fox News would report the truth of the matter.

Ah, Kennedys. They never fail to amuse me. At least this one isn't representing my state.

Nahh everyones got the buzz .....he's a kennedy ...we love our black sheep ..:) he'll be "outted " and if he's guilty he's doomed ..if he's innocent he's doomed ...if he's a itty bit guilty he's still DOOOOMED ... At least no women are dead or raped ... . at least not at this time ...but ...give 'em time .

he'll be dooomed 'till the next popular " iconic " type does something deemed more worthy of attention....or until the elections are over..:rolleyes:

Gee, F0zzy acts like the First Family never did their share of driving in the Twisted Metal Tournament under the influence... whoops, I guess they did huh? :D

Gee, F0zzy acts like the First Family never did their share of driving in the Twisted Metal Tournament under the influence... whoops, I guess they did huh? :D

It's okay if you're a Republican.

It's okay if you're a Republican.



they are ALL a bunch of self righteous whores...nothing more or less,any one a bit suprised?

cheney hadf 2 dui's,laura bush i think killed someone drunk driving.....georgie boy was the most fucked up coke head in the frat(cause daddy had loot)and kennedy abandoned an innocent women to drown cause he was drunk...and that is probably the tip of the iceberg.

guess the saying is true...power corrupts.

i just cant stand people from either side pointing fingers,it is a fuckin joke..they are all equally evil in my eyes.

your a liberal and give teddy(what you cant swim) a pass...but villafy bushbots,and vice versa,your a repug and villafy the libs cause they are corrupt..lol...same shit....always!

i think they use the titillating news to distract us from the real issues...like we are peasants and they rule us and know better.

why the fuck does some drunkin sot like kennedy have the balls to tell me how to live,and bush..dont get me started.

it is because they distract us with non issues like abortion and gay marriage..ad nauseam...and it divides us....pretty clever.

if i did not despise violence...i would be an anarchist...instead i will try to find a party that is the lesser of 3 evils...maybe constitutionalist or libertarian.

we are all being played as fools...by both sides,the idiot christian thinking bush is the second coming,and the libs thinking that the dems are pious..wtf..they are all the same,the libs act like they are your friends,the repubs just stick it up your ass.
same result....just you get to feel holier then thou being a dem,or if your a repug that your the chosen...fucking sickening!

Every country needs its black sheep...besides J. F. K. bought them a LOT of slack in my book ...not that he would even recognize a DEMOCRAT if he tripped over one now days .











Well you get the point...

Its like I live in another world.... I was only 3 when I watched his casket being drawn down the road to the capital....It still bugs me in a fundemental way...it is very hard to describe...after him came the end of the world..then a light ..by of all people Ronald Regan....and now ...well at least Kennedy had better taste in women and could spell ...now we got we what have...

regan may have been a little loopy by the end ,,but the damned BERLIN wall fell ..I SAW IT ...

I grew up doing turtle drills ...and fearing the " bomb"

The wall fell and the devil was dead....

Now we have new devils ....

The more things change the more they stay the same ...

I want at least the " spirit " of JFK back

I want the blind faith in the " American way " that Reagan brought...alomg with pride and faith in our country..

I want to be rid of all these fucking BUFFOONS we call leaders .

I'm getting kinda sick of this shit .

Bush has balls he has a vision ..and a bunch of idiots around him ...WTF ?

I would prefer the opposite .

Forget about the democrats..they had the BALLS to put up KERRY ???
That alone .....cripes ..I guess you had to be alive when Kerry was just starting his long campaign of deceit and betrayall to understand...but KERRY ???

Did they think we all died or suddenly got BRAINDEAD...or more than likely ..they just figured a blow up doll could beat Bush at the time ..

God help us .


Great post. Let's not forget JFK brought us closer to nuclear war than any other presdident ever had before or has since.

Gee B0zz, Yahoo's AP story has a 6PM EDT time stamp. CNN has 7PM EDT time stamp.

Fox News does NOT have a time stamp though.

So are we seeing media bias or more information as it comes out?

Oh, and Fox News says the officer was ordered to take Rep Kenndey home, but there nothing about him being ordered not to administer a breathalizer.

Keep trying, I'm sure you'll find something that just screams bias here sooner or later.

You missed the same details that Nazz did. I wonder if someone could do a study about cognitive dissonance and see if there is a pattern to these 'convenient' overlooks. My bet is that it is subconscious and not intentional.

(just to help you - the officers who drove him home were not the officers who arrived on scene and noticed him apearing intoxicated. Also, a breathalizer is not administered in the field.)

News update, hmm, curiouser and curiouser...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060505/ap_on_go_co/patrick_kennedy_crash;_ylt=AoqSFAQ06Y2NF_sQinZVVDRI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--



Oh, and B0zz,
Yup, looks like more news as avalable than media bias... or do you have yet another point of 'proof' here?


I'm not sure what 'proof' you are looking for other than you are buying his excuse. Dubious at best - nausea and sleeping pills together then a drive? LOL. THAT makes sense! Gawd you seem desperate to believe.

I do not know if he got breaks due to being in Congress, but I am sure he did. However, what I was challenging was B0zzy's statement that somehow this is yet ANOTHER example of media bias and that only Fox News would report the truth of the matter.

Explain how you consider it media bias that FOX simply reported more information than CNN or AP?

Gee, F0zzy acts like the First Family never did their share of driving in the Twisted Metal Tournament under the influence... whoops, I guess they did huh? :D

Did they get a free ride home too?

It's not the drinking so much as the cover up in this case. Hell - as anyone who reads my posts knows I FIRMLY disagree with most of the drinking laws in this country - but I also firmly believe that the laws should apply evenly - if not more so, to the people who create them.

I read somewhere the other week that the name Kennedy is of gaelic origin and means ugly head!

Heheh

Explain how you consider it media bias that FOX simply reported more information than CNN or AP?
Perhaps you're the one that's missing details and suffering from cognitive dissonace.
Here's what you said in your first post:
Hey Pat! it's alot harder to cover up these days when not all of the media is in bed with your party. I find it funny how the details emerge as the source gets further from the DNC.
Which balantly implies that only Fox tells the truth and isn't controlled by the Dems.
And totally ignores the fact that Fox was reporting it at least 2 hours after the other news outlets first broke the story. More than enough time to gather more facts.
But hey! Why let that get in the way of an irrational hatred against a family and a political party?

(just to help you - the officers who drove him home were not the officers who arrived on scene and noticed him apearing intoxicated. Also, a breathalizer is not administered in the field.)
(Just to help you - breathalisers ARE administered in the field. Blood tests aren't.)

"Another Kennedy prooves booze and cars don't mix"

Although I'm certainly no fan of Teddy-baby's, this young man has repeatedly stated that he was not drinking, and that he was taking several prescription medications of some sort ( Fenegrin and Ambian, according to the news ). Until proven guilty, he's still considered innocent.

(Just to help you - breathalisers ARE administered in the field. Blood tests aren't.)
You are confusing a field sobriety test with a breathalizer, they are different. There are field breathalizers which are moderately accurate - but the one that counts is given at the police station.

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/drunk_driving/Drunk_Terminology.html

Great post. Let's not forget JFK brought us closer to nuclear war than any other presdident ever had before or has since.
Maybe Bush's failed diplomacy will succeed in starting a nuclear war, whereas JFK's successful diplomatic rebuff of Russia halted installation of nukes in America's back yard.

I think most rational people would sooner have a JFK in charge than your glorious Bushbot?

You are confusing a field sobriety test with a breathalizer, they are different.

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/drunk_driving/Drunk_Terminology.html
Which your links states that some are administered in the field.

But, I know, I know, nit pick, nit pick. Fine, "No sobriety tests were conducted at the scene."

There? Happy?

Until there's a report back on his blood level, I cannot state about his BAC, but I can state that yet again you rush to blaim media bias without cause, as usual.

And as usual attempt to then change what we're arguing about to cover your rear end.

Kennedy said he had taken sleep medication and a prescription anti-nausea drug that can cause drowsiness
Umm, last I checked driving under the influence of ANY chemical impairment was illegal. No?

Which your links states that some are administered in the field.

But, I know, I know, nit pick, nit pick. Fine, "No sobriety tests were conducted at the scene."

There? Happy?

Until there's a report back on his blood level, I cannot state about his BAC, but I can state that yet again you rush to blaim media bias without cause, as usual.

And as usual attempt to then change what we're arguing about to cover your rear end.

Which, of course, it won't thanks to the willful participation of the Watch Commander in covering this up. But, you know as well as I that if it smells like shit and looks like shit it is probably shit. You really ought not be swallowing it so readily.

As far as the media goes - I simply pointed out that FOX did a much more thorough job than the AP or CNN - as usual.

Umm, last I checked driving under the influence of ANY chemical impairment was illegal. No?
Ummmm, according to the article, he wasn't charged with any kind of driving while impaired, so your point is kinda moot?

Umm, last I checked driving under the influence of ANY chemical impairment was illegal. No?
Depends on the chemicals, the laws and so on. Otherwise people would be arrested for driving after taking an allergy medication.

Which, of course, it won't thanks to the willful participation of the Watch Commander in covering this up. But, you know as well as I that if it smells like shit and looks like shit it is probably shit. You really ought not be swallowing it so readily.
Oh, of COURSE this is a cover up. That's why it was reported widely in the bloody newspaper. Right. Sure.

Maybe President Bush leaked it for national security reasons again, right?

As far as the media goes - I simply pointed out that FOX did a much more thorough job than the AP or CNN - as usual.
B0zzy, go back and look at those damn time stamps. Obviously they were written as more information came in.

Then go back and look at the by-lines, your beloved Fox News used an AP story and that's what you posted.

I'll pass on the compliment to AP though, I'm sure they'll be delighted.

Hmmm. No sobriety test given at the scene, which means that the cop on the scene must not have thought he warranted one. Kennedy denies haveing consumed any alcohol, and there's no indication, even in your precious Fox News report, that he was given a BA test, which would prove it conclusively. And the only person who is, so far, claiming that Kennedy was drunk wasn't on the scene at all.

I call bullshit--with this caveat. If he was drunk and it was covered up, then shame on him and on the cops. But that's a hell of a caveat given the lack of evidence that he was, you know, drunk.


In reading the links, it seems like he may have been impaired by Ambien-a sleep aid.

That could certainly produce reactions similar to someone under the influence of alcohol.
I'm guessing that there was no alcohol to blame and police likely didnt smell any on Kennedy.

Could this be considered "ability impaired"? I dont know. These days ability impaired can include being too fatigued to drive, although I dont know how thats proven in court.

I'm glad no one was injured as a result and will wait to see how it goes. I dont think this witch needs to be burned.
I'm no great lover of the Kennedys, but dont need this guy to get dragged through the mud anymore.

In reading the links, it seems like he may have been impaired by Ambien-a sleep aid.

That could certainly produce reactions similar to someone under the influence of alcohol.
I'm guessing that there was no alcohol to blame and police likely didnt smell any on Kennedy.

Could this be considered "ability impaired"? I dont know. These days ability impaired can include being too fatigued to drive, although I dont know how thats proven in court.

I'm glad no one was injured as a result and will wait to see how it goes. I dont think this witch needs to be burned.
I'm no great lover of the Kennedys, but dont need this guy to get dragged through the mud anymore.
Man, Ambien is some crazy shit. There are stories all over the place of people sleep-driving while taking that stuff. That would explain a lot.

"Another Kennedy prooves booze and cars don't mix"

Although I'm certainly no fan of Teddy-baby's, this young man has repeatedly stated that he was not drinking, and that he was taking several prescription medications of some sort ( Fenegrin and Ambian, according to the news ). Until proven guilty, he's still considered innocent.


I'm no fan of them either. And I dont think we need this guy to be tried by the press and rumors.

I would hate to have been the cop on the scene, making a decision on how to deal with this high profile subject.

I'm glad this Kennedy was the only one involved and that no one else had to learn a lesson with him. If some innocent person was injured, this whole thing would be a little different to me.

Man, Ambien is some crazy shit. There are stories all over the place of people sleep-driving while taking that stuff. That would explain a lot.


Thats true- all types of reports of its side effects are coming out now that so many people are on it. All sorts of activity while sleeping including driving and eating.

Although it wont be as frowned upon as being under the influence of alcohol, I still consider it driving while impaired.

I would hate to see the flood of "Ambien/sleep aid defenses" popping up.

News reports are now coming out that he was seen at a bar - and alcohol was listed on the report as a cause of the accident. It is probable that he also was under the influence of all of these other things (as he admits but was not charged with)
I laugh at you for thinking that just because he wasn't charged means he didn't do it. THAT is funny.

I laugh at you for thinking that just because he wasn't charged means he didn't do it. THAT is funny.

That's alright. We all laugh at you, too. When even Eutrusca won't take the opportunity to take a stab at a Kennedy, you know your case is weak.

News reports are now coming out that he was seen at a bar - and alcohol was listed on the report as a cause of the accident. It is probable that he also was under the influence of all of these other things (as he admits but was not charged with)
I laugh at you for thinking that just because he wasn't charged means he didn't do it. THAT is funny.
Go ahead and laugh--the story I saw said nothing about him being seen at a bar. It only said that alcohol was a cause--though if they dind't give him a BA or a breathalyzer, it's pretty difficult to prove that, especially since the effects of Ambien mimic drunkenness pretty closely. Now, if you've got a link to another story that has him at a bar, I'll be willing to look at it, but so far, your accounts have been two parts truth to one part bullshit--and that means they still stink.

Go ahead and laugh--the story I saw said nothing about him being seen at a bar. It only said that alcohol was a cause--though if they dind't give him a BA or a breathalyzer, it's pretty difficult to prove that, especially since the effects of Ambien mimic drunkenness pretty closely. Now, if you've got a link to another story that has him at a bar, I'll be willing to look at it, but so far, your accounts have been two parts truth to one part bullshit--and that means they still stink.
I'll save B0zz the effort...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060506/ap_on_go_co/patrick_kennedy

Mentions nothing about bars though. It DOES state that the officer at the scene did think alcohol was a factor, but it also notes that Rep. Kennedy had been perscribed Phenergan on May 2nd, which can increase the effects of Ambien which he got a perscription for on April 25th. Toss up between drugs and alcohol, though I think drugs gets the edge through more evidence.

I'm no fan of them either. And I dont think we need this guy to be tried by the press and rumors.

I would hate to have been the cop on the scene, making a decision on how to deal with this high profile subject.

I'm glad this Kennedy was the only one involved and that no one else had to learn a lesson with him. If some innocent person was injured, this whole thing would be a little different to me.
Re Chappaquiddick? :rolleyes:

I'm not sure what 'proof' you are looking for other than you are buying his excuse. Dubious at best - nausea and sleeping pills together then a drive? LOL. THAT makes sense! Gawd you seem desperate to believe.

actually, if he was taking Ambien, it makes a FRIGHTENING amount of sense. One of the side effects, which is only now being released publicly, is that people sleepwalk -- as in, they get up and cook, drive, etc.

Sounds possible.

actually, if he was taking Ambien, it makes a FRIGHTENING amount of sense. One of the side effects, which is only now being released publicly, is that people sleepwalk -- as in, they get up and cook, drive, etc.

Sounds possible.
Yep. I'd go farther and say it sounds likely, but I'm afraid that would harsh B0zzy's groove. ;)

I want to reiterate, however, that if it was Ambien, that doesn't excuse Kennedy's actions. It might mitigate them somewhat, but the fact is that he was impaired and shouldn't have been behind the wheel.

Yep. I'd go farther and say it sounds likely, but I'm afraid that would harsh B0zzy's groove. ;)

I want to reiterate, however, that if it was Ambien, that doesn't excuse Kennedy's actions. It might mitigate them somewhat, but the fact is that he was impaired and shouldn't have been behind the wheel.


Question is: did he even know he WAS behind the wheel?
I heard the news conference this afternoon -- according to him, he didn't even know he'd been out last night, if I recall correctly.

I'd say he'd better lock his car keys up, or get rid of it untill he's off this.
Apparently, he's also checked himself into the MAYO clinic.

http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2006-05-05T202904Z_01_N05437139_RTRIDST_0_PEOPLE-KENNEDY-AMBIEN-UPDATE-1.XML

Question is: did he even know he WAS behind the wheel?
I heard the news conference this afternoon -- according to him, he didn't even know he'd been out last night, if I recall correctly.

I'd say he'd better lock his car keys up, or get rid of it untill he's off this.
Apparently, he's also checked himself into the MAYO clinic.
Hell, if half the Ambien stories I've read are accurate, they need to consider yanking that stuff from the market. We're zombie-ish enough behind the wheel as it is without putting sleep-drivers out on the roads.

Great post. Let's not forget JFK brought us closer to nuclear war than any other presdident ever had before or has since.
Yeah. Your point? At certain times, one who has any integrity must say: "Here I stand, I can do no other." Kennedy did that, and he was right to.

I'll save B0zz the effort...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060506/ap_on_go_co/patrick_kennedy

Mentions nothing about bars though. It DOES state that the officer at the scene did think alcohol was a factor, but it also notes that Rep. Kennedy had been perscribed Phenergan on May 2nd, which can increase the effects of Ambien which he got a perscription for on April 25th. Toss up between drugs and alcohol, though I think drugs gets the edge through more evidence.

here;
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=138136

The Herald reported yesterday that a hostess at the Hawk ’n’ Dove said she saw Kennedy drinking in the bar Wednesday night.

and yes, once again, regardless of the intixicant (or collection of them as in this case) driving under the influence is illegal. HAd any of us taken the combination he had - even without a drink - I doubt we'd have received a free ride home - particularly after nearly colliding with a police officer, speeding away, swerving then crashing. - Unless any of you are Kennedy's.

here;
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=138136

The Herald reported yesterday that a hostess at the Hawk ’n’ Dove said she saw Kennedy drinking in the bar Wednesday night.
This proves nothing. What was he drinking? Even if he was drinking alcohol, was he in fact intoxicated?

I am not trying to defend anyone drinking and driving or driving while impared but you seem to have the mindset that he is automatically guilty. Kinda hard to prove that after the fact?

The Kennedy's are getting better in this business. At least this time, they didn't commit murder while drinking and driving.

Ted drowned one, but JFK Jr. drowned 2... so this one got a "bye". ;)

This proves nothing. What was he drinking? Even if he was drinking alcohol, was he in fact intoxicated?

I am not trying to defend anyone drinking and driving or driving while impared but you seem to have the mindset that he is automatically guilty. Kinda hard to prove that after the fact?

In the US a BAC of .08 wil get ya. Hell, you can get that from reading about alcohol. Also, being impaired by any chemical substance, legal or contraband, is illegal - particularly if it results in an accident.
(driving, lights out, wrong side of the road, swerving into police cruisers)

The point here is not that he did it - the point is that he was not arrested when any other person would have been.

He is automatically guilty because he has admitted that he has no recollection of the event and that he was impaired, a witness places him at a bar, and the police listed alcohol as a contributing factor. Other than that I suppose the jury is still out - LOL!

Ted drowned one, but JFK Jr. drowned 2... so this one got a "bye". ;)
I wouldn't bash Jr. since his was an aircraft accident while he was sober. I will say he made some serious errors in judgement under the conditions (fog), but he didn't commit a crime.

Teddy and his son are criminals though. The Police Union has reported that higher ups ordered the cops to *NOT* give him a breathalizer and had them drive him home against the wishes of those on the scene. If he were sleepwalking, I don't thing he would've said he had to vote.

Ted drowned one, but JFK Jr. drowned 2... so this one got a "bye". ;)
I wouldn't bash Jr. since his was an aircraft accident while he was sober. I will say he made some serious errors in judgement under the conditions (fog), but he didn't commit a crime.

Teddy and his son are criminals though. The Police Union has reported that higher ups ordered the cops to *NOT* give him a breathalizer and had them drive him home against the wishes of those on the scene. If he were sleepwalking, I don't thing he would've said he had to vote.

Yes, the Jr, thing was quite the tragedy. Very, very sad.

and yes, once again, regardless of the intixicant (or collection of them as in this case) driving under the influence is illegal. HAd any of us taken the combination he had - even without a drink - I doubt we'd have received a free ride home - particularly after nearly colliding with a police officer, speeding away, swerving then crashing. - Unless any of you are Kennedy's.
Try member of Congress.

"I would say within law enforcement that there is probably … concern that consideration was given a member of Congress that would not be afforded a normal citizen on the street," said Lou Cannon, president of the Fraternal Order of Police for the District of Columbia.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1929094&page=1

But, hey, you could also be the son of someone important and have your record wiped.

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As for Rep. Kennedy, it may have been alcohol, may have been perscription drugs (which, yes, can cause sleep driving), may have been a combination of both. Don't know yet, but I'll wait for the police to finalize their investigation and make a charge.

Umm, what does that prove in your little world?

I wouldn't bash Jr. since his was an aircraft accident while he was sober. I will say he made some serious errors in judgement under the conditions (fog), but he didn't commit a crime.

Teddy and his son are criminals though. The Police Union has reported that higher ups ordered the cops to *NOT* give him a breathalizer and had them drive him home against the wishes of those on the scene. If he were sleepwalking, I don't thing he would've said he had to vote.

Absolutely.
It's just that in the Moxley case and the with Ted, they could only kill one woman at a time. JFK Jr. got 2 in one attempt! (ok, points off for not surviving, but hey...)