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Here is a good site showing some 270+ pics of the Seattle No Gringo march. It is an interesting mix of signs these people are holding. Notice who is the main sponsor. Socialists were out in full force.

http://www.creativeflashes.com/popular/1/67421582

I find the signs "Unless you are a Native American, you are an immigrant too!" interesting.

I can understand the statement from a rhetorical standpoint, but not much else. I thought that an immigrant was a person who migrates from their native land to another.

My forebears were indeed immigrants, this country was built on the backs of immigrants, and the traditions and heritages brought from these cultures has made this country grow in more ways than anyone can believe. I'd welcome anyone who wanted to live here. But I wouldn't call someone who was born in a country an immigrant. If that logic was true, then we would all be immigrants from Africa at some level.

I don't know why this statement stuck out to me...I just seemed odd at the time...wierd...

Here is a good site showing some 270+ pics of the Seattle No Gringo march. It is an interesting mix of signs these people are holding. Notice who is the main sponsor. Socialists were out in full force.

http://www.creativeflashes.com/popular/1/67421582

well of course they were. and, no, who was the main sponsor? there seemed to be numerous organisations represented there.

well of course they were. and, no, who was the main sponsor? there seemed to be numerous organisations represented there.

The main sponsor was a socialist group.

I find the signs "Unless you are a Native American, you are an immigrant too!" interesting.

I can understand the statement from a rhetorical standpoint, but not much else. I thought that an immigrant was a person who migrates from their native land to another.

My forebears were indeed immigrants, this country was built on the backs of immigrants, and the traditions and heritages brought from these cultures has made this country grow in more ways than anyone can believe. I'd welcome anyone who wanted to live here. But I wouldn't call someone who was born in a country an immigrant. If that logic was true, then we would all be immigrants from Africa at some level.

I don't know why this statement stuck out to me...I just seemed odd at the time...wierd...

Yep, even native Americans are immigrants too. Maybe your not an immigrant if you are actually on a continent for a certain period of time. Most likely the timeline that fits the "natives".

And?

And?

Simply showing pics. Draw your own conclusion.

No, I mean this:
The main sponsor was a socialist group.


And? Whats your point?

Here is a good site showing some 270+ pics of the Seattle No Gringo march. It is an interesting mix of signs these people are holding. Notice who is the main sponsor. Socialists were out in full force.

http://www.creativeflashes.com/popular/1/67421582

Welcome to Seattle, where the Dems have such strong control of the city that you can choose between middle-left (Dems) and Far Left (Socialists).

It's also the most educated city in the US. :p

to p m....

Tell you what, go look at another thread if you have trouble trying to post something in this one.

to p m....

Tell you what, go look at another thread if you have trouble trying to post something in this one.

I don't have trouble posting in this thread.

You said the 'main sponsor was a socialist group'. I'm asking you- what's your point?

What are you alluding to? What are you insinuating?

Does it matter whether the main sponsor was a 'socialist' group or not?

I don't have trouble posting in this thread.

You said the 'main sponsor was a socialist group'. I'm asking you- what's your point?

What are you alluding to? What are you insinuating?

Does it matter whether the main sponsor was a 'socialist' group or not?

Yes they are promoting the overall "immigration movement" only to further the socialist agenda. I mentioned that because alot of Americans think this is a spontaneous show of immigrants. When in fact it is not. Now if you were to ask that question up front then I would have answered. I posted mainly to show pics up close of the march. Alot of people haven't seen shots of the marches in still only reports on the news with vague facts. Me pointing out the main sponsor is a sidenote really to the pics.

Welcome to Seattle, where the Dems have such strong control of the city that you can choose between middle-left (Dems) and Far Left (Socialists).

It's also the most educated city in the US. :p

I know it is funny when people say that Washington state is a blue Democrat state. It is actually King county(Seattle) that has the overwhelmingly Democratic population. It is actually a red state with a blue island that sways the vote.

Also I have heard it is the most educated city. Would have to agree there is a large amount of intelligent people here. Both Dem's and Repub's.

The main sponsor was a socialist group.

was it really? are you sure?

was it really? are you sure?

Heard enough local reporting to say that it was. Unless the reporters were lying. Reports were that Socialist groups organized the local latino community and even rented trucks with loudspeakers. Had tons of flyers printed. Also handed out signs to latino's arriving for the rally. So I would think so. Of course they are allowed to do this in our society. No problem with that. I would like the average Joe American citizen to pay attention and realize what the political agenda is behind things.

The main sponsor was a socialist group.
Based on what? The photos just show a bunch of people protesting, where's the 'socialist sponser' thing come from?

Based on what? The photos just show a bunch of people protesting, where's the 'socialist sponser' thing come from?

Posted the details above in another response.

BTW this is who:

http://www.socialistalternative.org/

Posted the details above in another response.
No dude, you told someone why you thought it mattered. I'm asking for where that information comes from-the only link is to the photos.

No dude, you told someone why you thought it mattered. I'm asking for where that information comes from-the only link is to the photos.

I posted linky, look up :D

I know it is funny when people say that Washington state is a blue Democrat state. It is actually King county(Seattle) that has the overwhelmingly Democratic population. It is actually a red state with a blue island that sways the vote.

of course, nobody actually lives in the inland northwest. square miles don't count when it comes to declaring redness vs blueness.

of course, nobody actually lives in the inland northwest. square miles don't count when it comes to declaring redness vs blueness.

well the last time I heard a million inhabited eastren Washington. Someone has to grow the crops to feed Seattle. I mean I know most of the Seattleites couldn't fend for themselves if they had to. ;)

Heard enough local reporting to say that it was. Unless the reporters were lying. Reports were that Socialist groups organized the local latino community and even rented trucks with loudspeakers. Had tons of flyers printed. Also handed out signs to latino's arriving for the rally. So I would think so. Of course they are allowed to do this in our society. No problem with that. I would like the average Joe American citizen to pay attention and realize what the political agenda is behind things.

i'm sure the vampires were there to hand out their signs and did some flyering. shit, in chicago the anarchists 'borrowed' a bunch of red flags being handed out by the trots. but i find it highly unlikely that sa organized it - especially since on their web report on the march they say (http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article15.php?id=314),

"Unfortunately however, the leadership of the May 1st rally called for a 'silent protest,' which stood in sharp contrast to the incredibly energetic and combative atmosphere on April 10th. This was due to the reformist leadership of the top organizing groups, in particular the Committee for Amnesty and Social Justice (which recently has decided to drop 'amnesty' from their name)."

I posted linky, look up :D
I read your link, the paper doesn't claim to be a main organizer and critisizes them. It does note the Comitee for Amnesty and Social Justice. I couldn't find a website for them, but the pressence of the word 'social' doesn't automaticly make the group 'socialist.'

Further, it makes sense that organizations with similar goals or related ideas would show up to something like this. Overall this gets a 'meh.' Your boogey man isn't that scary.

"The Earth is the Lord's?"
Fuck that. If that's your best argument you have no business at a protest march. You can go, sure, but your still a dumbass.

I know it is funny when people say that Washington state is a blue Democrat state. It is actually King county(Seattle) that has the overwhelmingly Democratic population. It is actually a red state with a blue island that sways the vote.

Also I have heard it is the most educated city. Would have to agree there is a large amount of intelligent people here. Both Dem's and Repub's.

To be fair, most of Western Washington is blue or moderate (Lewis County being a bit of an exception). The East is very Red, but that's normal. Rural areas tend to be much more conservative than urban areas. That said, King County voted 65% for Kerry, a decidedly unconvincing candidate, in '04, and carried a third of the vote in the state for him.

The Times was running headlines about the whole education thing a couple weeks back. I suppose most of the credit goes to Biotech, Microsoft, and Boeing (Sp?). I know the UW is one of the top universities in the nation and that even the local "alternative" university (western) is hardly a weak school. I would agree that we had some smart righties out here (like Rodney Tom :P ), but my opinion is always squewed by Eyeman, (Un)Sound Politics and their sort.

I read your link, the paper doesn't claim to be a main organizer and critisizes them. It does note the Comitee for Amnesty and Social Justice. I couldn't find a website for them, but the pressence of the word 'social' doesn't automaticly make the group 'socialist.'

Further, it makes sense that organizations with similar goals or related ideas would show up to something like this. Overall this gets a 'meh.' Your boogey man isn't that scary.

Read the article. It says right in it they were the main organizer. Socialist are not a boogey man to me. You are reading into something completely different. I want people to realize who is behind things. It appears to be a spontaneous act of individuals when it isn't. People should know who is sponsoring these type of events regardless of there political background. That way a true opinion on a topic can be made.

well the last time I heard a million inhabited eastren Washington.

aren't most of them still busy with their gay republican mayor soliciting sex in exchange for cushy city jobs?

Read the article. It says right in it they were the main organizer. Socialist are not a boogey man to me. You are reading into something completely different. I want people to realize who is behind things. It appears to be a spontaneous act of individuals when it isn't. People should know who is sponsoring these type of events regardless of there political background. That way a true opinion on a topic can be made.
Okay, first-EVERYONE knew this protest was coming, no one thought it was spontanious.

Second, I read the article. The article states clearly that they are not the main organizer. The do point to the Comitee for Social Justice as a main organizer.

aren't most of them still busy with their gay republican mayor soliciting sex in exchange for cushy city jobs?

LOL, nice one. Guess the sheep got old..... Although we are talking about Spokane. I mean really.....:rolleyes:

Okay, first-EVERYONE knew this protest was coming, no one thought it was spontanious.

Second, I read the article. The article states clearly that they are not the main organizer. The do point to the Comitee for Social Justice as a main organizer.

No kidding everyone knew they were coming. However the overall immigrant rallies in the US are Socialist group driven. They are the ones instigating the rallies. Just a point to make about it. Always an agenda behind these things.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=21841

No kidding everyone knew they were coming. However the overall immigrant rallies in the US are Socialist group driven. They are the ones instigating the rallies. Just a point to make about it. Always an agenda behind these things.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=21841
Even that (which, couldn't you find a source that didn't start off its article with "The leftist media..." ? I mean, c'mon...) only manages to prove that unions where there, really. Well, third try is the charm, you get a Stretchy:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/AmelieLabarthe/strecharmstrong.jpg
Mr. Armstrong would be proud.

Here is a good site showing some 270+ pics of the Seattle No Gringo march. It is an interesting mix of signs these people are holding. Notice who is the main sponsor. Socialists were out in full force.

http://www.creativeflashes.com/popular/1/67421582
Damn those Communists!! :rolleyes:

http://dailyreckoning.com/bin/w/k/communists.gif

Hooray for Kapitalism!! :rolleyes:

http://www.house.gov/budget/msrslide4bgt071703.pdf

LOL, nice one. Guess the sheep got old..... Although we are talking about Spokane. I mean really.....:rolleyes:

oh yeah, the sheep. how could i have forgotten about the sheep?

Here is a good site showing some 270+ pics of the Seattle No Gringo march. It is an interesting mix of signs these people are holding. Notice who is the main sponsor. Socialists were out in full force.

http://www.creativeflashes.com/popular/1/67421582


This was my favorite pic of the bunch: http://www.creativeflashes.com/popular/12/29860546

BTW, I'm not Native American (Polish and Irish), but I was born here. My parents were born here. My grandparents were born here. So basically what I'm saying is, I am no immigrant.

I have said this before in another thread:

If they want to live here, fine.

However, why not take the time to get do the paperwork to enter the country legally. My family did when they came through Ellis island back in the 30's.

I like immigrants...they're nice people.

I have said this before in another thread:

If they want to live here, fine.

However, why not take the time to get do the paperwork to enter the country legally. My family did when they came through Ellis island back in the 30's.


They tend to suspect you're a terrorist drug dealer and make it very difficult to immigrate legally these days. Not quite the good old days.

aren't most of them still busy with their gay republican mayor soliciting sex in exchange for cushy city jobs?

We flushed Mayor West like the turd he was a while ago. Not only was he soliciting sex, he was soliciting sex with 17-18 year old boys online using his office (read tax paid for) computer. And then he was offering them city jobs to have sex with him. There were also allegations to child molestation, though I doubt them. He was a massive hypocrite, and before these shenanigans came to light was adamantly anti-gay.

Here is a good site showing some 270+ pics of the Seattle No Gringo march. It is an interesting mix of signs these people are holding. Notice who is the main sponsor. Socialists were out in full force.

http://www.creativeflashes.com/popular/1/67421582

1. Those pictures do not show that socialists were "the main sponsor" of the protest.

2. Classic ad hominem and tarring by association. A cause isn't wrong merely because some small portion of its supporters are socialists.

Read the article. It says right in it they were the main organizer. Socialist are not a boogey man to me. You are reading into something completely different. I want people to realize who is behind things. It appears to be a spontaneous act of individuals when it isn't. People should know who is sponsoring these type of events regardless of there political background. That way a true opinion on a topic can be made.

As has already been pointed out, it says the opposite.

In fact the website (http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article15.php?id=314)criticizes the protests for being silent saying: "This was due to the reformist leadership of the top organizing groups, in particular the Committee for Amnesty and Social Justice (which recently has decided to drop “amnesty” from their name)."

Obviously, Socialist Alternative was not one of the "top organizing groups."

Note that local media reports (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Immigration_Rallies_Seattle.html) aslo list the Committee for Amnesty and Social Justice as the main organizer of the protests.

No kidding everyone knew they were coming. However the overall immigrant rallies in the US are Socialist group driven. They are the ones instigating the rallies. Just a point to make about it. Always an agenda behind these things.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=21841

*sigh*

Not even your absurd article from the hysterical frontpagemag.com says that the rallies were "Socialist group driven."

To the contrary, the article claims: "Although some have credited Latino DJs for the 500,000-strong illegal immigrant turnout in Los Angeles alone – and some credit is deserved – the real legwork was done by a more eclectic group of organizations: leftist labor unions, George Soros-funded agitators, Open Borders lobbyists, Roman Catholic clergy, and teachers unions."

Sorry, but labor unions and the Roman Catholic church != socialist groups.

(I won't bother to debunk the article. Anybody that bothers to scratch the surface can see that the links don't support the many ridiculous claims of the article. But, regardless, some "radical or left-wing political pressure groups" helped organize Martin Luther King's March on Washington. Does that make the "I Have A Dream" speech invalid?)