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In Demolition Man, when Simon Phoenix enters the weapon museum he searches for a fireweapon gun, but suddenly realises that he is in the future, so "where are the phaser guns?".

Indeed where are the phaser guns? By 2099 what type of weapon will be the most prevalent in the police and military?

Just as a guide these are the approximate invention dates of common modern weapons:

1. Revolver 1830s
2. Semi-auto 1890s
3. Machine gun - Gatling 1860s, Maxim 1880s.
4. Submachine gun 1860s.

Most of today's weapons already exist in 1899.

2099? Fists and sticks...

In Demolition Man, when Simon Phoenix enters the weapon museum he searches for a fireweapon gun, but suddenly realises that he is in the future, so "where are the phaser guns?".

Indeed where are the phaser guns? By 2099 what type of weapon will be the most prevalent in the police and military?

Just as a guide these are the approximate invention dates of common modern weapons:

1. Revolver 1830s
2. Semi-auto 1890s
3. Machine gun - Gatling 1860s, Maxim 1880s.
4. Submachine gun 1860s.

Most of today's weapons already exist in 1899.
Have you been watching the Futureweapons series on Discovery Channel?

Oh, a nadion pulse weapon would be interesting. And extraordinarily dangerous.

I'm looking forward to railguns... Who needs sci-fi when magnetic fields can blast your ass just as good?

Oh, a nadion pulse weapon would be interesting. And extraordinarily dangerous.

Extraordinary dangerous? Compared to what? In "being dangerous" you can hardly go beyond killing people. And there's nothing extraordinary in tools that are able to do that. Neither do I see anything so "fancy" in them. Luckily, after the nuclear winter we don't have to bother ourselves with debates about which is cooler for killing someone, ion cannon or laser blaster, when we don't have even working pistols...

Extraordinary dangerous? Compared to what? In "being dangerous" you can hardly go beyond killing people. And there's nothing extraordinary in tools that are able to do that. Neither do I see anything so "fancy" in them. Luckily, after the nuclear winter we don't have to bother ourselves with debates about which is cooler for killing someone, ion cannon or laser blaster, when we don't have even working pistols...
Now now ... i mean extraordinarily dangerous to the user.
The pistol knowledge is not technically difficult whatsoever at this point.
The only way we'd all get THAT stupid again is if the fundamentalists of *ANY* mass religion win.

I think by then we will have cooked the atmosphere and will be running around in animal skins with spears.

guns

Extraordinary dangerous? Compared to what? In "being dangerous" you can hardly go beyond killing people. And there's nothing extraordinary in tools that are able to do that. Neither do I see anything so "fancy" in them. Luckily, after the nuclear winter we don't have to bother ourselves with debates about which is cooler for killing someone, ion cannon or laser blaster, when we don't have even working pistols...

And that'll happen before 2099. See the other thread of Xisla, about wars ot the 21st century for arguments.

I think by then we will have cooked the atmosphere and will be running around in animal skins with spears.
And Spock will have feelings again!

Maybe that is his problem...we need to shoot him to the future...not only will cold logic grip him once more you will be long dead so he won't think he has an archenemy

Maybe that is his problem...we need to shoot him to the future...not only will cold logic grip him once more you will be long dead so he won't think he has an archenemy
Haha
I didn't mean Arduu the Failure, i actually meant Spock.
That episode with "the librarian", Spock goes back in time and shares a cave with a hottie, and gets his hormones a-flowin'.

Haha
I didn't mean Arduu the Failure, i actually meant Spock.
That episode with "the librarian", Spock goes back in time and shares a cave with a hottie, and gets his hormones a-flowin'.
I know the episode and he isn't a failure. He is merely in need of a helping hand. I realize he may wish you violent death but I assumed the hostility was one way

I know the episode and he isn't a failure. He is merely in need of a helping hand. I realize he may wish you violent death but I assumed the hostility was one way
He doesn't earn "Failure" as hostility.
He earns it for his failures.
He's had plenty of helping hands.
In fact, that's what started the whole schism in the first place.

In Demolition Man, when Simon Phoenix enters the weapon museum he searches for a fireweapon gun, but suddenly realises that he is in the future, so "where are the phaser guns?".

Indeed where are the phaser guns? By 2099 what type of weapon will be the most prevalent in the police and military?

Just as a guide these are the approximate invention dates of common modern weapons:

1. Revolver 1830s
2. Semi-auto 1890s
3. Machine gun - Gatling 1860s, Maxim 1880s.
4. Submachine gun 1860s.

Most of today's weapons already exist in 1899.

I voted for the phaser/blaster option...modern military minds would have a collective orgasm if they had weapons that needed batteries instead of bulky ammunition. The effect on military logistics alone would redefine warfare.

Depends on how things go. I still suspect firearms for the most part, though depending on possible wars and the like we may have mostly blades and arrow-type missile weapons, with the occasional jury-rigged firearm for good measure. I can't say, really.

In Demolition Man, when Simon Phoenix enters the weapon museum he searches for a fireweapon gun, but suddenly realises that he is in the future, so "where are the phaser guns?".

Indeed where are the phaser guns? By 2099 what type of weapon will be the most prevalent in the police and military?

Going on the general principal that new technologies tend to perfected more slowly than is often expected, and tend to be adopted at an even slower rate, I'm going with refinements of existing tech.

Just as a guide these are the approximate invention dates of common modern weapons:

1. Revolver 1830s
2. Semi-auto 1890s
3. Machine gun - Gatling 1860s, Maxim 1880s.
4. Submachine gun 1860s.

Most of today's weapons already exist in 1899.

Revolvers supposedly date back to the 1680s - I understand that there are some snaphaunce revolvers designed by John Dafte on display at the Tower of London. Elisha Collier made an effective flintlock revolver in 1818.

There are even earlier designs for "machine guns" than you list - the revolving Puckle Gun (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/mg.htm) and the mitrailleuse for example.

Furthermore, AFAIK, the first SMG, the Villar Perosa (http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/mgun%5Fvperosa.htm), is from 1915. Could you please clarify what you are thinking of by listing the first SMG as being from the 1860s. Thank you. :)


Refinements of existing technology. Eg. caseless ammo.

Caseless ammunition already exists, as do other refinements such as electrical ignition systems. In the later half of the century, there may well bea a move away from current solid propellants to binary propellants for small arms, and these will probably be in moderate to widespread use by 2099.

Drastic redesigns of existing technology. Eg. magnetic rail guns.

I suspect that this technology will be available for small arms by 2099, but not in common use.

Future technology. Phasers, blasters and ion cannons.

It's highly questionable if anything resembling these will even ever exist. However, directed energy weapons (lasers and masers) will definately be in moderate to widespread use by 2099. However, it's unlikely that small arms versions of DEWs will be. It's more likely that these will be special use weapons, not primary weapons.

Non-lethal options. Rubber bullets, electric-probes and irritants.

These and several other "less lethal" weapons (as they are starting to be called in recognition that the term "non-lethal" can be misleading) are already in use. But these aren't going to replace lethal technologies anytime soon, if ever. These will remain special use weapons.

Past technology, post-nuclear winter. Blades, and arrows.

These will also remain special use weapons.

i voted for phasers, but really i think flangers and low pass filters are much more likely.

I voted for gauss rifles. I figure directed energy weapons are much further down the line. Power supplies that compact would probably make good bombs...

i voted for phasers, but really i think flangers and low pass filters are much more likely.

mmmm Law enforcement with a wah wah pedal - sounds good to me.

Furthermore, AFAIK, the first SMG, the Villar Perosa (http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/mgun%5Fvperosa.htm), is from 1915. Could you please clarify what you are thinking of by listing the first SMG as being from the 1860s. Thank you. :)


Yes, my mistake. :)

Yes, my mistake. :)

Too bad. I was hoping you'd come accross some weird early design for one like the 1680 revolvers.

i'm going with sharp pointed sticks and things to throw rocks with. neither the motivation not the kinds of industrial infrastructure neccessary to mass produce objects of a no practical use other then lethality, will by then simply no longer exist.

tecnology will, or probably will. there will have been a big dieback, probably a starveback, of human population levels, not due primarily to war but mostly if not entirely due to other factors.

but weaponry and weapon development will no longer be anywhere near the bleading edge of the entire orientation of tecnology by then.

there may be tools, not intended as weapons, that could be pressed into service as such, maybe even that would make better weaponry then anything we have now, but it won't be designed or intended for that purpose.

things that make big holes in the ground for extraction of minerals could for the most part likely be capable of making big holes in where people are, just as it's always possible to fight swords with pitchforks.

but i don't see a mass production of weapons as weapons industry existing at that time.

whether war ends out of the goodness of our heart, or for other reasons entirely, i do see it, by then, for all practical purposes having ended.

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Too bad. I was hoping you'd come accross some weird early design for one like the 1680 revolvers.

Don't you want to see the technical specs for XislaTech Bunny Blaster? Doesn't anyone?

Don't you want to see the technical specs for XislaTech Bunny Blaster? Doesn't anyone?
It's a bunny blaster. All it does is blast bunnies. I think there's a problem with the design.

Don't you want to see the technical specs for XislaTech Bunny Blaster? Doesn't anyone?

Sure, why not.

I want to see Battlemechs.

I want to see Battlemechs.

Battlemechs, while looking good, would be an immensely bad idea, at least as usually invisioned.