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Jack Abramoff makes for better neighbors!!

Straughn
04-05-2006, 05:51
A curious situation has transpired, apparently ... regarding Jack Abramoff's involvement in some quite forseen circumstances ... and perhaps a few others.
Touchy ones, indeed - here's two specific instances that are obviously related.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20060502-0830-bush-abramoff.html
White House: Secret Service logs on Abramoff's White House visits may not be 'complete historical record'
8:30 a.m. May 2, 2006

WASHINGTON – The Secret Service's records documenting convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff's contacts with Bush administration officials may not reveal all such meetings, the White House said Tuesday.
The Secret Service has agreed to turn over White House visitor logs showing when Abramoff met with administration officials – and with whom. But presidential spokesman Scott McClellan cautioned reporters from viewing the release as all-inclusive.
“I don't know exactly what they'll be providing, but they only have certain records and so I just wouldn't view it as a complete historical record,” McClellan said.
Abramoff, who represented Indian tribes in their dealings with Washington politicians and raised at least $100,000 for Bush's re-election campaign, was once one of the city's most successful lobbyists.

When a photo of Bush with Abramoff surfaced earlier this year, the president said he has his picture taken with “a lot of people.” In the 2001 photo, Bush is shaking hands with a leader of an Indian tribe. Abramoff is in the background.

The president has said that he does not know Abramoff personally, but Abramoff told the Washingtonian magazine that he had met with Bush nearly a dozen times and that the president knew him well enough to joke with him.

McClellan has said that Abramoff attended Hanukkah receptions at the White House in 2001 and 2002, and some additional staff-level meetings. “But I said I couldn't rule out that there might be other large events that may have taken place that he attended, but that's what I know and that still stands,” McClellan said.

Abramoff pleaded guilty in January in Washington to federal charges stemming from an investigation into his ties with members of Congress and the Bush administration. He also pleaded guilty to fraud charges in Miami concerning a multimillion-dollar purchase of SunCruz Casinos gambling fleet in 2000.

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...coupled with...
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14494042.htm
se passes ethics reform legislation
BY KATHERINE M. SKIBA
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
WASHINGTON - After a heated debate over ethics rules for lawmakers and lobbyists, the House on Wednesday narrowly passed a set of reforms, -213.

House Republican David Dreier of California, who led the floor debate for his party, said the measures were "strong" and "bold" steps to put Congress on the path to reform.

The White House saluted the changes. :rolleyes:

Democrats decried the bill in the harshest terms, calling it a "sham," "snake oil" and a "complete joke."

Two GOP lawmakers from Wisconsin broke ranks with their party in opposing the measure: Jim Sensenbrenner of Menomonee Falls, who chairs the Judiciary Committee, and Mark Green of Green Bay, who is running for Wisconsin governor.

Sensenbrenner earlier expressed reservations about the bill being stripped of provisions passed by his committee.

Green said the reforms "did not go far enough." He had hoped the bill would ban congressional gift giving and privately funded trips; he also favored stricter rules on lobbying by former members, Green spokesman Luke Punzenberger said.

Still, Green praised passage of his measure to disclose lobbying activity online.

The drama played out as public approval ratings of Congress are sagging and elections are six months off. On Wednesday, one Democrat after another invoked the names of disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff and ex-lawmaker Randy "Duke" Cunningham.

Abramoff skimmed millions from American Indian tribal clients and lavished lawmakers with free meals and trips abroad. Cunningham pleaded guilty to bribery. (note: and soliciting prostitution?)

Such scandals represent the worst in the House in a generation, said Democrat Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the minority whip.

Dreier, who chairs the Rules Committee, countered by saying the public was incensed by members of both parties.

Among key provisions of the bill:

_Lobbyists would be required to make quarterly reports, up from twice a year, and file them electronically, as they already do in the Senate.

_Lawmakers would be barred from taking privately sponsored trips until year's end as the Ethics Committee rewrites rules on such trips. House staffers would be required to take ethics classes. The classes would be voluntary for new members of Congress, but if they failed to attend within 100 days of being sworn in, their names would be posted on the Web.

_"Earmarks," the term for lawmakers' pet projects that circumvent normal funding channels, would be made public in appropriations bills as would their sponsors' names.

_Lawmakers would forfeit retirement benefits if convicted of bribery or acting as a foreign agent, including conspiracy charges.

The measure now moves to a committee of House-Senate negotiators.

House Democrats, who complained that they were prohibited from offering amendments, saw an alternative fail. They wanted lobbyists prohibited from picking up the tab for trips, meals and gifts. And they would have extended to two years, from one, the waiting period after which ex-lawmakers may lobby former colleagues.

House Democrat Dave Obey of Wausau derided the GOP measure as "consumer fraud masquerading as lobby reform."

Sensenbrenner, on the eve of voting, said the measure had been unacceptably weakened by the removal of provisions approved by the committee that he chairs.

The final bill had several amendments. One would make lobbyists who violate the gift limit subject to a fine of up to $50,000; the rules limit gifts to $50 at a time and $100 a year. Another would extend a prohibition on converting campaign dollars for personal use - a mandate for campaign committees - to so-called leadership political action committees, which are set up or controlled by candidates and office holders.

Democrat Ron Kind of La Crosse denounced the bill for failing to ban members from using corporate jets for official travel and to require disclosure of lawmakers' contacts with lobbyists as well as the fund-raisers that lobbyists host.

Democrat Gwen Moore of Milwaukee said the bill did nothing to stop abuses such as the GOP leadership rewriting proposed legislation "at 3 a.m. the day before a vote."

Republican Paul Ryan of Janesville heralded the earmark reforms.

Democrat Tammy Baldwin of Madison, pointing to the name of the measure, the Lobbying Accountability and Transparency Act, said: "Wisconsinites aren't fooled by catchy phrases and bill titles that are all for show."
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*augments complete*
Straughn
04-05-2006, 06:37
Hey High Lord Inquesitor, do you have gmail?
Verdigroth
04-05-2006, 06:37
That is American politics for you.
Verdigroth
04-05-2006, 06:37
Hey High Lord Inquesitor, do you have gmail?

yes why did you email me? I can check it...it is the same as the yahoo account.
Straughn
04-05-2006, 06:40
yes why did you email me? I can check it...it is the same as the yahoo account.
No, apparently gmail has an IM on it, and Deib was on last night. I'm waiting for him.
Do you like my timing ?;)
Verdigroth
04-05-2006, 06:45
he is also on yahoo messenger. That is where I normally see him...text him. I will be working with Arthur this summer. I hope he is doing well...at least he will be making some bank this summer.
Straughn
04-05-2006, 06:50
he is also on yahoo messenger. That is where I normally see him...text him. I will be working with Arthur this summer. I hope he is doing well...at least he will be making some bank this summer.
What?
Watch your back.
Got some chain mail? Glen's not using his.
Perhaps Holly is a topic you'll skip.
What're you going to do? Boat?
Verdigroth
04-05-2006, 06:52
What?
Watch your back.
Got some chain mail? Glen's not using his.
Perhaps Holly is a topic you'll skip.
What're you going to do? Boat?

Renner's Beach Site. Holly will just be down the street. I am not afraid he can beat the crap out of me. I may deserve it. I just won't let him kill me. Penance is one thing stupidity another.
Straughn
04-05-2006, 06:58
Renner's Beach Site. Holly will just be down the street. I am not afraid he can beat the crap out of me. I may deserve it. I just won't let him kill me. Penance is one thing stupidity another.
Hope you don't mind the extended "smoke" breaks ... :rolleyes:
And you don't mind having to trust them with heavy and sometimes dangerous machinery.
What, no Arby's?
No young, lithe girls to direct ;)?
Straughn
04-05-2006, 06:59
Also, how would you deserve that? He's a f*cking psycho.
Even his shrinks admit it.
Verdigroth
04-05-2006, 07:03
Also, how would you deserve that? He's a f*cking psycho.
Even his shrinks admit it.

He isn't psychotic as far as I know, he still doesn't live in a castle in the sky. He does have a problem with anger, but you know taking a friend is like taking a wife....well without sex. You take the whole package and try to guide them to improve themselves while they should do the same for you. Friendship is addition not subtraction.

P.S. You hijacked your own thread.
Straughn
04-05-2006, 07:05
He isn't psychotic as far as I know, he still doesn't live in a castle in the sky. He does have a problem with anger, but you know taking a friend is like taking a wife....well without sex. You take the whole package and try to guide them to improve themselves while they should do the same for you. Friendship is addition not subtraction.

P.S. You hijacked your own thread.
Technically, i haven't, since you're incidental. :D

But i did start it. I noted you were online, and clicked your nation.
It said you were reading this thread.
Easiest way to find people, i guess!
Straughn
04-05-2006, 08:25
There's more to the point here ...

http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/content/shared/news/stories/BUSH_ABRAMOFF03_COX_W9964.html
Secret Service records of Abramoff visits to White House will be incomplete
By KEN HERMAN
Cox News Service
Wednesday, May 03, 2006

WASHINGTON — The White House said Tuesday the list the Secret Service has been ordered to release concerning convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff's contacts with the Bush administration will be incomplete.

But spokesman Scott McClellan declined to say what is wrong with the Secret Service list, why it is inaccurate and whether it includes far fewer meetings than took place.

"I don't know exactly what they'll be providing, but they only have certain records and so I just wouldn't view it as a complete historical record," McClellan said.

Tom Mazur, a Secret Service spokesman, declined to comment on why the agency's records might be less than complete.

McClellan previously has said that Abramoff's only contacts with the administration were "a few staff-level meetings" and attendance at Hanukkah receptions in 2001 and 2002.

U.S. District Judge John Garrett Penn of Washington announced yesterday that he has given the Secret Service until May 10 to give the list to Judicial Watch, a public interest group that went to court to get the records.

Judicial Watch believes the records "could show the frequency and length of Abramoff's White House visits, thereby shedding some light on the nature of the relationship between Jack Abramoff and Bush administration officials."

The group plans to post the records on its Web site. Tom Fitton, its president, said he expects the Secret Service records to "tell a part of the story" of Abramoff's contacts with the White House.

"And it will certainly be more of the story than the White House has currently told us," Fitton said, adding he hopes the records provide information that would force the White House to release more details.

"Maybe Abramoff is telling the full story to the grand jury and the prosecutors," Fitton said, noting that Abramoff has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors.

Bush has said he does not know Abramoff, once among Washington's most powerful lobbyists. Abramoff raised more than $100,000 for Bush's 2004 re-election campaigns and had boasted to clients about his links to the administration.

Abramoff, who told Washingtonian magazine this year that he had nearly a dozen meetings with Bush, pleaded guilty in January to charges linked to his ties to Congress and the White House. He later pleaded guilty in Miami to fraud charges stemming from the 2000 purchase of a fleet of gambling ships.