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Will a one world government ever come about? Or is it a pipe dream that idealists try to fool themselves with?

Oh it will happen... just as soon as I finish my sandwich.

Perhaps in hundreds or thousands of years, as communication evolves to the point where distance has no real meaning. As for now cultures are too different to operate under one government.

Also, I'd be very skeptical of a one world government, as I believe that eventually it would coalesce into a monlithic entity that would attempt to micromanage everything.

A one world government isn't a dream. For one, there would be no way to emigrate from such a world wide nation. No matter how much you disagree with it's policies, you couldn't leave. Sure there wouldn't be any war, but only in the technical sense. In a one world government there would still be many rival factions that use violence to achieve their means. In a practical sense, this is the exact same as war, even if it doesn't fit a technical definition of the word simply because there is only one government.

A dream would be if there were completely open immigration. Then individuals would be free to choose whichever government style best fits their needs.

Oh it will happen... just as soon as I finish my sandwich.

Finish it already. I'm waiting to present to you my plans for world domination.

Oh it will happen... just as soon as I finish my sandwich.

its not this kind of sandwich is it (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10889218&posted=1#post10889218)?

Will a one world government ever come about? Or is it a pipe dream that idealists try to fool themselves with?

Perhaps a large empire. There would always be rogue states though, not everyone's going to agree.

You'd end up with a Star Wars esque situation.

Wait, you mean to tell me we (the U.S.A.) don't already own everyone else?

Where the hell have I been?

Wait, you mean to tell me we (the U.S.A.) don't already own everyone else?

Where the hell have I been?

Hey, I thought the UK owned the US?

It will happen, but not in my lifetime alas.

Anyway the first five or so attempts will be totoal screw ups, so I aint gonna be missing much.

Hey, I thought the UK owned the US?

Hah! We've kicked your ass, and came back to save it, twice now. Plus we have your PM whimpering around our President like a little puppy.

And since you say UK, Ireland and Scotland can barely own themselves.

We totally own the UK.

Plus we have your PM whimpering around our President like a little puppy.

It's just entertainment to the masses. In reality, it's the other way round.

George Bush has the English flag tattooed onto his ass =p

(btw, in case anyone takes this seriously, don't <_<)

It's just entertainment to the masses. In reality, it's the other way round.

George Bush has the English flag tattooed onto his ass =p

(btw, in case anyone takes this seriously, don't <_<)

Well, we all do know that they're probably sleeping together..

However, our Dark Lord Vice President rules over everyone in secret.

(I agree, don't take this seriously. Bush couldn't rule over a paper bag, much less the entire planet)

A whole world government is certainty. After all, post-WWIII, it'd be too much effort for the person left on their own to form more than one.


Someone's going to come on in a couple of minutes and say that Chuck Norris is the current whole world government. They should be punished when they do

:p

Some form of loose federation (with a somewhat stronger level of power than the UN) is possible, but whether or not it is desirable is open to debate.

A whole world government is certainty. After all, post-WWIII, it'd be too much effort for the person left on their own to form more than one.


Someone's going to come on in a couple of minutes and say that Chuck Norris is the current whole world government. They should be punished when they do

:p

Maybe the cockroaches will form a world government? :D

The problem is, governments tend to gather power. Look at the US Congress or the Australian Parliament - theoretically in each case equal to each of their constituent state governments, but actually massively superior.

How long would it be before any world government turned into a world dictatorship?

It will happen.

We won't like it.

I said "mabye, mabye not". But I still think it's a distinct possibility. Italy was united...Germany was united...Europe ITSELF may be next...why not the WORLD?

A whole world government is certainty. After all, post-WWIII, it'd be too much effort for the person left on their own to form more than one.

:p


Agreed



I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.
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I don't know why everyone thinks this is so brilliant an idea. Ultimately, we just want some form of overarching and far more potent UN, not an actual government, as such.

Perhaps in hundreds or thousands of years, as communication evolves to the point where distance has no real meaning. As for now cultures are too different to operate under one government.

Also, I'd be very skeptical of a one world government, as I believe that eventually it would coalesce into a monlithic entity that would attempt to micromanage everything.

Exactly, I have spoken with some who advocate one government...

Let's say they struck me as facists.

In the current global context or anything reasonably resembling it I support one with limited powers to regulate the global economy. Without mechanisms for global democracy, the chief global players will be the global elite, who will naturally seek to maintain their dominance at the expense of everyone else.

Some form of loose federation (with a somewhat stronger level of power than the UN) is possible, but whether or not it is desirable is open to debate.

A dream would be if there were completely open immigration. Then individuals would be free to choose whichever government style best fits their needs.

Somewhere between these two is the most likely scenario, and IMO would be the best. Some could be capitalist nations; some could be socialist nations, and all in all people just wouldn't care. Unfortunately, I don't think the capitalist and socialist nation-states could keep their hands off each other, and thus we would see cold-war style posturing between the two groups.

Will a one world government ever come about? Or is it a pipe dream that idealists try to fool themselves with?

Did you read 'Globalia' by Rufin?

It's that idea, one world government and the rest of the world is chaos and famine etc...
It's a really good book

Somewhere between these two is the most likely scenario, and IMO would be the best. Some could be capitalist nations; some could be socialist nations, and all in all people just wouldn't care. Unfortunately, I don't think the capitalist and socialist nation-states could keep their hands off each other, and thus we would see cold-war style posturing between the two groups.

Exactly, people seem to be unable to let others live how they want to live.

Sooner or later (most likely sooner), we're going to be so overcrowded and have stripped this planet of so many resources , that only two options will be available...

1. Form a global government...the only way we can make exploration and colonization of space a possibility at that point is to stop competing amongst ourselves and work for the future of the species.

2. Do nothing...and our species will die a slow death.

The world is too diverse for one government. Would the Chinese be happy with Western democracy? Would the USA want to live under Muslim law? Would Europe want to be ruled by Bush?

one world government will not persist until all realize they are one.

this is an evolutionary process, it will take time.

on the day all can love one another with wisdom and compassion, on that day will all be united <i>without the need for government or laws</i>. :fluffle:

A one world goverment is an enevitability. The world is shrinking. We're using one of the mediums right now that transcends borders. The growing global population will soon make national segregation too cumbersome to deal with issues that impact the palnet globally.

My personal prediction on when this will occur is within two decades after we discover nonterran life.

Nothing pulls humans together more than having someone(thing) else outside your group that you can gang up on.

Well, we all do know that they're probably sleeping together..
Trois?
http://www.hermes-press.com/bush_kiss.jpg

However, our Dark Lord Vice President rules over everyone in secret.
http://hem.bredband.net/b232251/stuff/cheneyemperor.jpg

(I agree, don't take this seriously. Bush couldn't rule over a paper bag, much less the entire planet)
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushbalancing.htm

:)

Kinda hard to believe Firefly/Serenity hasn't yet been mentioned.
:(

Finish it already. I'm waiting to present to you my plans for world domination.

Don't rush me! It's a big sandwich...

its not this kind of sandwich is it (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10889218&posted=1#post10889218)?

I'm not sure. I put lots of mustard on just to be safe.

But the new world order is coming. Just a couple more bites...

Kinda hard to believe Firefly/Serenity hasn't yet been mentioned.
:(

Eh... what does it have to do with this?

Though I guess little excuse is needed to bring up Firefly. One of my 3 favourite tv programmes. Well, never shown on Tv in Britain, but I got the DVDs.

Anyway.... World government. Necessary once we realise we need to organise on a world wide scale to deal with the dangers of the future. If we dont... we will probably start to squabble among ourselves and destroy each other... Unfortunately I think the latter is more likely.

Mmm...A world government...

I do think it could be possible with many rising powers, such as India and China, which could weaken the US influence around the globe.

If we don't have one, we'll probably just kill eachother. =D lol

a one world government wil come and will be headed by the anti-christ. this wil precede the return of jesus christ.

a one world government wil come and will be headed by the anti-christ. this wil precede the return of jesus christ.

yibble... if this is not sarcasm...

Having said that a one world government would need some especially political politician to head it, who would probably be (to all intents and purposes) the anti-Christ...

If it ever happens, it'll be creeping expansion from a formation of existing nation states, by their consent.

IT will be run by American Republicans and you will all be slaves.

Be careful what you wish for...

Never happen.

We may end up with a few large Fed/Confederations but, as someone else mentioned earlier, people and peoples are far too diverse in their attitudes and cultures to allow for one overarching world government. Unless, of course, it's an undemocratic tyranny of some kind. Even then they would have a hard time making it stick for any length of time.

I always assumed that one day it would simply be continental governments.

I think no matter how much we advance technologically, the ability to govern properly over disconnected bodies of land is just too difficult.

Will a one world government ever come about? Or is it a pipe dream that idealists try to fool themselves with?
The so-called one world government, or more accurately called the New World Order, is an insidious plot by the atheist secularists who are trying to remove Jesus from public schools and the hearts of True Christians. Our innocent children are being fed lies from them and indoctrinated with the Homosexual Agenda in a gigantic leftist conspiracy inspired by Satan himself.

Follow the faithful's example and withdraw your children from the public school system immeadiately. Homeschooling is the only defense we have against the propaganda spread by the Liberal Media. After all, the only things they learn there are useless skills like speaking French. All my kids need to know is how to pray and how to use a Remington Bolt-Action Rifle in order to fight the dinosaurs and the homosexuals as per God's instructions.

In conclusion, George W Bush is the most courageous, charismatic and well-spoken president our great nation has ever had. He will save us from the Evil Atheist Conspiracy, terrorists, evolution, immigrants and whatever else threatens our sacred American way of life.

There's only one government for me, and that's the American government. If the rest of the world is comfortable with our government, I wouldn't complain - but no American worth his salt would ever agree to a bunch of foreigners running our affairs. No way in Hell.

There's only one government for me, and that's the American government. If the rest of the world is comfortable with our government, I wouldn't complain - but no American worth his salt would ever agree to a bunch of foreigners running our affairs. No way in Hell.

Thus, no world government folks. Game Over.

Thus, no world government folks. Game Over.
Spoken like a tru liberal. It really just goes to show you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...:rolleyes:

Spoken like a tru liberal. It really just goes to show you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...:rolleyes:

Too funny. I've never voted for the Liberal Party in my life.

Hey, I did this same thread! I am still all for a one-world government, and I think it is especially likely to come about if we find intelligent life on other planets.

Too funny. I've never voted for the Liberal Party in my life.
If you've voted Democrat, who did you THINK you voted for, buddy? No, wait... oh, you're a canadian.

No wonder, then. I'm surprised you people don't just put a picture of Karl Marx on your flag...:rolleyes:

Hey, I did this same thread! I am still all for a one-world government, and I think it is especially likely to come about if we find intelligent life on other planets.

On other planets? Is there intelligent life here?

If you've voted Democrat, who did you THINK you voted for, buddy? No, wait... oh, you're a canadian.

No wonder, then. I'm surprised you people don't just put a picture of Karl Marx on your flag...:rolleyes:

Marxist? Yeah, I'm sure all of my employees think I'm a complete Marxist...

I wasn't placing an opinion either for or against a singular world government. I simply pointed out your, 'America's the only answer' style of argument as proof as to why one world government won't happen.

Marxist? Yeah, I'm sure all of my employees think I'm a complete Marxist...

I wasn't placing an opinion either for or against a singular world government. I simply pointed out your, 'America's the only answer' style of argument as proof as to why one world government won't happen.
The real reason it won't happen is because Americans won't accept yet another level of government - nor should we.

On other planets? Is there intelligent life here?

I'm hoping if we do find intelligent life on other planets, they'll be a good influence on us.

The real reason it won't happen is because Americans won't accept yet another level of government - nor should we.

Unless that level of government was an American one?

Can't say I blame you. The thought of hundreds of millions of people having a say in what you can or can't do when they don't live in your country is slightly absurd.

But what about a degree of confederation? Surely, there are some international issues that could be resolved by a highly decentralized world government?

America can't stay on top of the trash heap forever...

The real reason it won't happen is because Americans won't accept yet another level of government - nor should we.

AMERICA AETERNAE?

The real reason it won't happen is because Americans won't accept yet another level of government - nor should we.

Americans may not have the power to refuse. The world is globalizing; everyone will be brought along sooner or later. My personal worry is that it will globalize with the US and similar nations at the top, and that they will use force and exploitation to remain there. Preventing that would be one task of a decent world government.

While I find certain aspects of the globalization process abhorrent, overall it is probably a good thing; the human species can accomplish far more united than it can divided into countless arbitrary and pointless nation-states.

The real reason it won't happen is because Americans won't accept yet another level of government - nor should we.

Well, we could just have the various states join this hypothetical world confederation. I'm of the opinion that the Federal government is superfluous anyway.

Well, we could just have the various states join this hypothetical world confederation. I'm of the opinion that the Federal government is superfluous anyway.

The state governments are superfluous too. I would eliminate all governments in between the global one and the local ones, and then allow localities to associate into confederations as they see fit. Most of the decisions would hopefully be made at the local level, with the global government in charge only of global issues like managing a global economy and protecting the environment.

AMERICA AETERNAE?
Hehe, more like 'America Uber Alles'...

The state governments are superfluous too. I would eliminate all governments in between the global one and the local ones, and then allow localities to associate into confederations as they see fit. Most of the decisions would hopefully be made at the local level, with the global government in charge only of global issues like managing a global economy and protecting the environment.

I would certainly go for a rearrangement of the current states of the world by plebiscite. However, I think there should be something roughly analogous to current states to handle regional things and to allow for economy of scale with things like education.

Also, there's far too much nationalist sentiment towards the current states of the world. Eventually that may go away, but states would have to be maintained in some form to placate nationalist sentiment.

I would certainly go for a rearrangement of the current states of the world by plebiscite. However, I think there should be something roughly analogous to current states to handle regional things and to allow for economy of scale with things like education.

Also, there's far too much nationalist sentiment towards the current states of the world. Eventually that may go away, but states would have to be maintained in some form to placate nationalist sentiment.

Hopefully that nationalist sentiment thing is just a fad.

Hehe, more like 'America Uber Alles'...

Tisch and pshaw - as any fule knoes, the USA will last until the end of time.

Hopefully that nationalist sentiment thing is just a fad.

Well, it's been around for a fair few years, so it stands to reason that it'll be around for a few more.

:mp5: The only way youll get a world goverment if is if some crazy son of a bitch takes it all over. The question is who would rule in this world goverment?

Nomatter what it will fall apart cause of people like me:sniper: :gundge:

Well, it's been around for a fair few years, so it stands to reason that it'll be around for a few more.

I think you can get a topical cream to treat that. Really shouldn't let it fester. I remember waaay back in the late 30's, early 40's, Germany got a real bad case of it. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure you know.

I would certainly go for a rearrangement of the current states of the world by plebiscite. However, I think there should be something roughly analogous to current states to handle regional things and to allow for economy of scale with things like education.

I was thinking that the global government could have a general framework for such institutions that the confederated localities could adapt to their situation as they saw fit.

The idea is to maximize political participation by making decisions on the grass-roots level (and to eliminate bureaucracy on the global level), while at the same time having a compatible global system where education in one part of the world is acceptable for getting a job in another part.

You would try to maximize the ability of the small-scale governments to generally associate as they see fit in order to make political organization more free and less arbitrary than it is now. If that means integrating into state-like structures, then that option would be available.

Also, there's far too much nationalist sentiment towards the current states of the world. Eventually that may go away, but states would have to be maintained in some form to placate nationalist sentiment.

True. I'm thinking ideally; in the early periods the nation-state would have to be retained, but eventually, as has happened in the US, the global government would probably attract more prominence.

Start of the line:
1) Nomads (Humans)
2) Tribes (Humans)
3) City States (Humans)
4) Kingdoms (Humans)
5) Nation States (Humans)
6) Empiers (Humans)
Next in line:
7) Planet States (Humans)
8) System States (Humans/Alians)
9) Sector Empiers (Humans/Alians)
10) Galatic Empiers (Humans/Alians)
11) Univerceal Empiers (Humans/Alians)
End of the line:
12) Multiverce Empires (Humans/Alians/Dieties)
13) Space-Time Qutnuem Civilization (Dieties)
This is are path. Or mabey this:
Start of the line:
1) Nomads (Humans)
2) Tribes (Humans)
3) City States (Humans)
4) Kingdoms (Humans)
5) Nation States (Humans)
6) Empiers (Humans)
Next in line:
7) Planet States (Humans)
Extection.

Start of the line:
1) Nomads (Humans)
2) Tribes (Humans)
3) City States (Humans)
4) Kingdoms (Humans)
5) Nation States (Humans)
6) Empiers (Humans)

Historically we had empires before we had nation-states. One dates back about 4000 years, the other only about 400.

man doesnt evolve within a few generation time frame... The fundermental flaw in your theory

I think for the time being the only people that need concern themselves with the prospect of a "world government" are students with more joints than braincells.

As capital resources grow and accumulate, and government becomes less and less necessary, it will probably grow and consolidate into one world government. The government will then shrink into insignificance and eventually dissolve. That probably won't happen for a couple of hundred years though.

As capital resources grow and accumulate, and government becomes less and less necessary, it will probably grow and consolidate into one world government. The government will then shrink into insignificance and eventually dissolve. That probably won't happen for a couple of hundred years though.

I would argue that throughout recent history we have seen an increase in both capital resources and government, rather than an inverse relation.

We as a species have a long way to go before we can think about putting one ruling body in charge of everyone.

My personal worry is ... they will use force and exploitation to remain there...
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