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Here's my problem with religious conflicts, people say that they must wipe out anouther race of people because 'God is on their side'. This has been used by Christians, Catholics, Muslims,in the Crusades, in Suadan, in Darfur, and right now in the middle east. Once you say that God is on your side there is no way to stop the war because what can you do? Say 'well lets go home guys, looks like God changed his mind'. No you can't!

And here is my biggest problem with religion in wars, does not the bible say Wrath/Anger is one of the 7 deadly sins? Does it not say love thy neighbor? And don't you dare say that the bible is only something to go by and not the final word on everything not after useing it as the major reason against gay marriage, because religion is not something you can just put in the closet until you need it.

Here's my problem with religious conflicts, people say that they must wipe out anouther race of people because 'God is on their side'. This has been used by Christians, Catholics, Muslims,in the Crusades, in Suadan, ....blah blah

Just let me stop you there.

Catholics are Christians.

Religion is a tool used to rally the masses behind someone's banner.

Here's my problem with religious conflicts, people say that they must wipe out anouther race of people because 'God is on their side'. This has been used by Christians, Catholics, Muslims,in the Crusades, in Suadan, in Darfur, and right now in the middle east. Once you say that God is on your side there is no way to stop the war because what can you do? Say 'well lets go home guys, looks like God changed his mind'. No you can't!

And here is my biggest problem with religion in wars, does not the bible say Wrath/Anger is one of the 7 deadly sins? Does it not say love thy neighbor? And don't you dare say that the bible is only something to go by and not the final word on everything not after useing it as the major reason against gay marriage, because religion is not something you can just put in the closet until you need it.

catholics be christians, the bible goes out the window when it conflicts with your goals, and everyone says god is on their side.

Catholics are Christians.

Just let me stop you there.

How many Christians are Christians?

Okay, I admit it. That was a bad joke. On topic, I will mention that the belt buckel worn by German soldiers in World War II said something like "With God" or "God is with us" or something like that. Which suggests that God is playing both sides and just likes a big fight.

And here is my biggest problem with religion in wars, does not the bible say Wrath/Anger is one of the 7 deadly sins? Does it not say love thy neighbor? And don't you dare say that the bible is only something to go by and not the final word on everything not after useing it as the major reason against gay marriage, because religion is not something you can just put in the closet until you need it.
You adress the problem of religion in wars, but you only give evidence from the Bible; I think that this is more of an anti-Christian rant than anything. Also, you get sidetracked on to the topic of gay marriage, completely astray from your original point.

...because religion is not something you can just put in the closet until you need it.

As far as most are concerned, it pretty much is.

I would say religion has no place in war, but then again, people have no place in war, regardless of motivation. Spiritual excuses are merely a veil hiding most of the deeper problem that is the natural propensity towards wide-scale conflict.

Christians who use God as a justification for a wrong war are just plain wrong. However, this hasn't happened for a long time. I don't think this justification has been used against a race of people either. In my opinion, the middle ages was the lowest point for Christianity. However, Christians as a whole have generally been for peace. Also, other ideologies (Darwinism, socialism, nationalism) have been used to start war. Bad people will use whatever means they can.

Maybe G-d is a religiousexual?

He'll take anything he can get...he's a dirty boy that way. ;)

Christians who use God as a justification for a wrong war are just plain wrong. However, this hasn't happened for a long time. I don't think this justification has been used against a race of people either. In my opinion, the middle ages was the lowest point for Christianity. However, Christians as a whole have generally been for peace. Also, other ideologies (Darwinism, socialism, nationalism) have been used to start war. Bad people will use whatever means they can.

Christians who use God as a justification for war are not Christians.

Christians who use God as a justification for war are not Christians.

well said.

Christians who use God as a justification for war are not Christians.

didnt the israelistes use god as justification for war in the old testament?

didnt the israelistes use god as justification for war in the old testament?

I'm no Biblical scholar, so I can't really answer that.

Obviously, I meant in the modern sense. I am in no position to render judgment on ancient history.

didnt the israelistes use god as justification for war in the old testament?

Israelites and the Old Testament are Christian now?:confused:

Israelites and the Old Testament are Christian now?:confused:

is it not still the bible? god called for war did he not?

is it not still the bible? god called for war did he not?
Israelites were Jews though, not Christians.

Christians focus on the New Testament more so.... right?

I dunno if it is in the Bible or not.... you tell me *shifty eyes*

Israelites were Jews though, not Christians.

Christians focus on the New Testament more so.... right?

I dunno if it is in the Bible or not.... you tell me *shifty eyes*

I'm going to be making vast generalizations here, but most modern Christians put more emphasis on the New Testament. The loving caring, more warm and fluffy side of the Bible.

I'm going to be making vast generalizations here, but most modern Christians put more emphasis on the New Testament. The loving caring, more warm and fluffy side of the Bible.

Thats what I thought.

I suddenly panicked and began questioning my entire Catholic school upbringing and wishing I had paid more attnetion in class! :eek:

Then I remembered I didn't care.... :cool:

didnt the israelistes use god as justification for war in the old testament?

God told them to fight certain nations as a punishment for their sins. Christians are never told to go to war. Possibly because they are not supposed to be identified with a political state, like the Israelites were.

And here is my biggest problem with religion in wars, does not the bible say Wrath/Anger is one of the 7 deadly sins?

Technically, the 7 deadly sins aren't listed in the Bible at all, but they were used in medieval sermons. Can't remember right now which book they actually came from....

Out of curiousity, when has Darwinism ever been specifically cited as the reason to start a war?

Religion is a tool used to rally the masses behind someone's banner.

More or less.

Out of curiousity, when has Darwinism ever been specifically cited as the reason to start a war?

If you take into account some of the ways Darwinism has been abused, such as Social Darwinism or Eugenics, much of the ethnic cleansing could be blamed on Darwin.

However, that's just the idea being abused and twisted for other poeple's purposes.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Here's my problem with religious conflicts, people say that they must wipe out anouther race of people because 'God is on their side'. This has been used by Christians, Catholics, Muslims,in the Crusades, in Suadan, in Darfur, and right now in the middle east. Once you say that God is on your side there is no way to stop the war because what can you do? Say 'well lets go home guys, looks like God changed his mind'. No you can't!

And here is my biggest problem with religion in wars, does not the bible say Wrath/Anger is one of the 7 deadly sins? Does it not say love thy neighbor? And don't you dare say that the bible is only something to go by and not the final word on everything not after useing it as the major reason against gay marriage, because religion is not something you can just put in the closet until you need it.

There are many tools that can be used for propagating war. Religion is one of the most effective, especially Patriarchals, because of the use of diametric opposites. It is far easier to justify the kill of inferior/pure evil beings than a fellow human.

Just let me stop you there.

Catholics are Christians.

We are not so sure...
We were of that race... We now are more autonomous, not yet christian, hm... I should say less christian than ever.

Yes, we are different, do not fall in these easy populist speeches where all religions are too much the same.
God is not on our side, we are on his side!
It makes a great deal when we write our Scriptures, not very easy sometimes.
We are the fathers of your children, we are the future of your after-life.
We just say: let's be on God side, don't let him alone.

Now pray, brothers, let God pray for us, and remember he's not alone, amen.

The High Priest
Alone with God

Just let me stop you there.

Catholics are Christians.
This is true, but not all Catholics are always CHRISTIAN. :rolleyes:

Religion and spirituality can be at opposite ends of a continuum.
Spirituality can't cause wars. Religions when combined with politics (which they ususally are) can and do. God is not a "him" or a person at all unless you want create "him" in your own image.

Israelites and the Old Testament are Christian now?:confused:

Well, all major variations of Christianity acceept the validity of the Old Testament. If we're going to take that declaration seriously, it would follow that the will of God is a perfectly justifiable reason to declare war on someone.

Or slaughter all their males, all their adult females, take any remaining female children as slaves, burn their cities to the ground and sow their fileds with salt, for that matter... :rolleyes:

The problem with relgion, and im stating the OBVIOUS here that everyone should click onto, is that its all bollocks used by men who want more money/power than a certain other group of men.

Spirituality however is another matter.

Once more people start to see this, and let go of a lot of hang ups brought about by religious upbringing amongst other things, then perhaps we can evolve a little.