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Yet another al-Qaeda operative captured in Pakistan.

His capture in November doesn't make the news until now, and "no one" knows where he is now.

Just goes to show you that despite the best attempts to put this sort of detention on the front page, it's now part of the standard operating procedure to vanish al-Q people (and I am not crying any tears over it), and it's now back page news, and the US is not going to suffer any action at the UN (or any other international body for that matter).

Mind you, I don't see much value in capturing them if you know who they are - it's much easier and cleaner than to shoot them when they offer a gunfight when you show up. This one evidently put up a fight, but it didn't do him any good.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060502/ap_on_re_as/al_qaida_terrorist_detained

Honestly, they should just addict them to heroin, or something even more brutal, and just give them a maintainence dose to keep them in perment withdrawl. Let them claw their fingerails off, and fingers down to the bone in cement boxes. Broadcast their conditions over a site supported by google ads 24 hours a day, 365.25 days a year. When one dies, just throw another ass-hat in with the decomposing body.

They're men who've chosen a life alone in the darkest heart of the jungle, and they ain't the lions. Next time wear a uniform. I think we could all benefit from the honest debate about who they are, what they deserve, what that says about us, and what it means to be the top predator of predators honed to an edge of atom splitting keenness over 4.5 billion years. More over, a life locked away in merciless misery is an effective deterent. Those fuckers should know that they're going to have to earn those 72 virgins.

Honestly, they should just addict them to heroin, or something even more brutal, and just give them a maintainence dose to keep them in perment withdrawl. Let them claw their fingerails off, and fingers down to the bone in cement boxes. Broadcast their conditions over a site supported by google ads 24 hours a day, 365.25 days a year. When one dies, just throw another ass-hat in with the decomposing body.

They're men who've chosen a life alone in the darkest heart of the jungle, and they ain't the lions. Next time wear a uniform. I think we could all benefit from the honest debate about who they are, what they deserve, what that says about us, and what it means to be the top predator of predators honed to an edge of atom splitting keenness over 4.5 billion years. More over, a life locked away in merciless misery is an effective deterent. Those fuckers should know that they're going to have to earn those 72 virgins.
What a lot of utterly contemptuous rot. So much for 4.5 billion years of evolution.

I think its hilarious people are still bothered about chasing these ghosts- as if it will change anything.

AQ (as a physical entity) is irrelevant these days.

The terrorists won.

Yet another al-Qaeda operative captured in Pakistan.

His capture in November doesn't make the news until now, and "no one" knows where he is now.

Just goes to show you that despite the best attempts to put this sort of detention on the front page, it's now part of the standard operating procedure to vanish al-Q people (and I am not crying any tears over it), and it's now back page news, and the US is not going to suffer any action at the UN (or any other international body for that matter).

Mind you, I don't see much value in capturing them if you know who they are - it's much easier and cleaner than to shoot them when they offer a gunfight when you show up. This one evidently put up a fight, but it didn't do him any good.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060502/ap_on_re_as/al_qaida_terrorist_detained

It was fairly widely reported that he was captured at the time of his capture (see below). All this is evidence of is that the US continues to keep POWs in secret camps to avoid scandals and criticism from groups like the ICRC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3818883.stm).

ISLAMABAD, 4 November 2005 — Pakistani forces, in an early morning swoop, killed an Arab Al-Qaeda suspect and seized two others in a shootout yesterday, but intelligence officials played down reports that one was a wanted Syrian militant.

Earlier speculation was that one of the men was Syrian national Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, also known as Abu Musab Al-Suri, who has reported links to the Madrid and London bombings. But a top-level security official said investigators had found no indications that the person was the wanted Syrian.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=72715&d=4&m=11&y=2005

In November 2005, Nasar was reportedly captured in Pakistan. Pakistani officials denied the reports, but US sources acknowledged that he had been taken into custody.
http://www.tkb.org/KeyLeader.jsp?memID=6065

Sources: Al Qaeda member with $5 million reward for his head captured in Pakistan

(CNN) -- Mustafa Setmarian Nasar -- an al Qaeda member who was indicted in 2003 for training a sleeper terror cell in Spain in the mid-1990s -- has been captured in a raid in Pakistan, two U.S. counterterrorism officials told CNN Friday.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, offered few details about the raid in Quetta, a Pakistani provincial capital located near the southern Afghan border.

Pakistani Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmad on Thursday said an al Qaeda member was captured and another was killed during a shootout in Quetta earlier this week. But he said the identity of the person captured was not immediately clear. The U.S. counterterrorism officials confirmed the man in custody was Nasar, a 47-year-old Syrian-born al Qaeda member.

The United States had offered a $5 million reward for his capture in 2004, saying he was an al Qaeda member who had trained terrorists in poisons and chemicals at two Afghan camps.

But one of the counterterrorism officials cautioned against overstating his importance in the terror network, saying Nasar was a "background" guy with a "number of contacts." "Nasar is best known for his writings," this official said. (Posted 5:30 p.m.)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/04/friday/index.html

9 November 2005

MADRID — A Syrian man believed to be a key figure in Osama bin Laden's terrorist network in Europe has been linked to a bomb attack on a Madrid restaurant 20 years ago in which 18 people were killed.

Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, who is believed to have been arrested last week in Pakistan, has already been linked to the 7 July terror attacks on London.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=82&story_id=25187&name=Key+al%2DQaeda+suspect+linked+to+1985+Madrid+bombing

What a lot of utterly contemptuous rot. So much for 4.5 billion years of evolution.
We evolved to control and expoit the resources around us to our own benefit. America has used those resources to put men on the moon and send mechanical agents to Mars and beyond the heliopause. Europe has nearly equaled those feats and surpased in exploring the foundations of the Universe with high energy physics. What have the Arab and Islamists of the world done? I think I know which side is using their resources for the betterment of most. And you, grousing from the sidelines. Pretending yo're better; enjoying the benefits of the social network that you condem.

Those people aren't deserving of life. Look at the works they sustain. Prayer to an unlistening void and outrage over doodles. That's a more laudible end that futhers the human condition, even with the unspeakable tyranny they demand everyone live under? The nobility of your cause has the great fortune to never suffer the consequences of its ends thanks to better, and more pragmatic people who dare to intercede.

We evolved to control and expoit the resources around us to our own benefit. America has used those resources to put men on the moon and send mechanical agents to Mars and beyond the heliopause. Europe has nearly equaled those feats and surpased in exploring the foundations of the Universe with high energy physics. What have the Arab and Islamists of the world done? I think I know which side is using their resources for the betterment of most. And you, grousing from the sidelines. Pretending yo're better; enjoying the benefits of the social network that you condem.

Those people aren't deserving of life. Look at the works they sustain. Prayer to an unlistening void and outrage over doodles. That's a more laudible end that futhers the human condition, even with the unspeakable tyranny they demand everyone live under? The nobility of your cause has the great fortune to never suffer the consequences of its ends thanks to better, and more pragmatic people who dare to intercede.



Well, look who happens to be ignorant of the wealth of knowledge derived from the Islamic world over the centuries. Without it, for example, the renaissance would never have been able to occur in the way it did.


The interesting thing about 'terrorists' captured in Afghanistan/Pakistan since 2001 is that the majority have not been seized by US or allied forces but by native bounty-hunters, who have then sold their captives at very reasonable prices. Hmm, very reliable.

The terrorists won.
Sadly enough, it seems to me that you're not far from the truth :(

Well, look who happens to be ignorant of the wealth of knowledge derived from the Islamic world over the centuries. Without it, for example, the renaissance would never have been able to occur in the way it did.
You're kidding right? You're defending their failed culture on the basis of 600 year old laurels, some of which were barrowed from India? Obviously I'm taking your clever joke too seriously. Good one.

You're kidding right? You're defending their failed culture on the basis of 600 year old laurels, some of which were barrowed from India? Obviously I'm taking your clever joke too seriously. Good one.

You really are doing a very good job at parading you ignorance.

Ever heard of the word Algorithm and wondered why it has some semblance to the term Al-qaeda.

The terrorists won.
How did they win? I mean besides the fact that Bush gave them a soon-to-be religious theocracy in what was once one of the few secular middle eastern nations.

You are kidding right? perhaps you've heard of the word Algorithm and wondered why it has some semblance to the name Alan?

Al-qaeda and algorithm have TWO letters in common, and are of a different length. Alan and algorithm have TWO letters in common, and are of a different length.

Therefore, by your silly logic, Als, Alans, Allens, Allans, Alens, Alins, Alices, Alishas, Alberts, Alesandros, and all the rest of the AL-names in the world are just as responsible for algorithm, as any middle eastern Terrorist twat-muscles.

thhhbbbpppptttt to you sir. ;)

it's now back page news,

Don't they put sport on the back page?:confused:

You are kidding right? perhaps you've heard of the word Algorithm and wondered why it has some semblance to the name Alan?

Al-qaeda and algorithm have TWO letters in common, and are of a different length. Alan and algorithm have TWO letters in common, and are of a different length.

Therefore, by your silly logic, Als, Alans, Allens, Allans, Alens, Alins, Alices, Alishas, Alberts, Alesandros, and all the rest of the AL-names in the world are just as responsible for algorithm, as any middle eastern Terrorist twat-muscles.

thhhbbbpppptttt to you sir. ;)
Al is an arabic prefix. Similar to 'the', I belive.

You really are doing a very good job at parading you ignorance.

Ever heard of the word Algorithm and wondered why it has some semblance to the term Al-qaeda.
Yeah, algorithm derives from an arabic word. So does Algebra, but algebra was an Indian invention transmitted through the muslim world to Europe. I don't know if the same holds true for algorithm. Sure, the muslim world was well ahead of Europe for a while, but Europe modernized IN SPITE OF muslim influence and surpassed them while they stagnated.

Well, look who happens to be ignorant of the wealth of knowledge derived from the Islamic world over the centuries.

That is just an accident of geography. The Islamice empire was in the middle of the the Indians in the east, the Greco-Romans and Byzantines of the west and the Egyptians on the south and thus were in a position to receive ideas that they themselves never really absorbed but preserved and passed on to the others who made much better use of those ideas and the west in its ignorance has credited the Arabs for inventing those ideas. For ex, the decimal system with zero as a place holder. It is an Indian invention that is wrongly credited to the Arabs.

Many of the great thinkers of the Islamic empire were not even Arabs, most of them were Persians and other such people from the conquered lands and some of them were called heretics. Such people would be lynched now.


The interesting thing about 'terrorists' captured in Afghanistan/Pakistan since 2001 is that the majority have not been seized by US or allied forces but by native bounty-hunters, who have then sold their captives at very reasonable prices. Hmm, very reliable.

The low level cadres ( I call them cannon fodder) are like that. Pashtun goatherds caught by warlords and feuding clans and passing them off as dreaded Al-Qaeda terrorists for money and Americans promptly ship them off to Gitmo - victory in war on terror.

But the middle level and high level are captured by the Pakistani govt authorities (army and intelligence actually). They are not even captured in the real sense. The army knows where they are and whenever there is American pressure, they just go in and catch some people and hand over to the Americans " here is # 3 of Al-Qaeda" and Bush will go "victory in war on terror, pakistan front-lyin al-lie only"....

While the real unanswered and un-asked questions are " what the fuck are those people doing there in the first place and where is Bin Laden after 5 years since Bush said "Dead or Alive" :rolleyes: "

We evolved to control and expoit the resources around us to our own benefit. America has used those resources to put men on the moon and send mechanical agents to Mars and beyond the heliopause. Europe has nearly equaled those feats and surpased in exploring the foundations of the Universe with high energy physics. What have the Arab and Islamists of the world done? I think I know which side is using their resources for the betterment of most. And you, grousing from the sidelines. Pretending yo're better; enjoying the benefits of the social network that you condem.

Those people aren't deserving of life. Look at the works they sustain. Prayer to an unlistening void and outrage over doodles. That's a more laudible end that futhers the human condition, even with the unspeakable tyranny they demand everyone live under? The nobility of your cause has the great fortune to never suffer the consequences of its ends thanks to better, and more pragmatic people who dare to intercede.


Ummm did he just say " At least we do something usefull...let the other fuckers die for all I care they are worthless ?"


Enquiring minds want to know .

Ummm did he just say " At least we do something usefull...let the other fuckers die for all I care they are worthless ?"


Enquiring minds want to know .
Yes. Except for it wasn't a passive result he advocated.

Well at least he used nice colorfull prose and spelled most of the words right.

I agree he did advocate ( or at least thank those that are acting ) a pro active approach.

Who said the public school system sucks !

You are kidding right? perhaps you've heard of the word Algorithm and wondered why it has some semblance to the name Alan?

Al-qaeda and algorithm have TWO letters in common, and are of a different length. Alan and algorithm have TWO letters in common, and are of a different length.

Therefore, by your silly logic, Als, Alans, Allens, Allans, Alens, Alins, Alices, Alishas, Alberts, Alesandros, and all the rest of the AL-names in the world are just as responsible for algorithm, as any middle eastern Terrorist twat-muscles.

thhhbbbpppptttt to you sir.

As far as I know, Alan is not derived from Arabic roots. Algorithm is derived from an Arabic mathematician's name (the same guy who invented algebra (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=algebra) to be exact...

algorithm Look up algorithm at Dictionary.com
1699, from Fr. algorithme refashioned (under mistaken connection with Gk. arithmos "number") from O.Fr. algorisme "the Arabic numeral system," from M.L. algorismus, a mangled transliteration of Arabic al-Khwarizmi "native of Khwarazm," surname of the mathematician whose works introduced sophisticated mathematics to the West (see algebra). The earlier form in M.E. was algorism (c.1230), from O.Fr. Modern use of algorithmic to describe symbolic rules or language is from 1881.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=a&p=9


Yeah, algorithm derives from an arabic word. So does Algebra, but algebra was an Indian invention transmitted through the muslim world to Europe. I don't know if the same holds true for algorithm. Sure, the muslim world was well ahead of Europe for a while, but Europe modernized IN SPITE OF muslim influence and surpassed them while they stagnated.

Hmmm... seeing as the fall of Constantinople was one of the most important causes of the Renaissance (as it allowed the study of the classical Greek texts directly and not through Arabaic translations), one might say Europe modernised directly as a result of muslim influance...

While the real unanswered and un-asked questions are " what the fuck are those people doing there in the first place and where is Bin Laden after 5 years since Bush said "Dead or Alive" :rolleyes: "

Well it only took Bush about 6 months to flip-flop from bin Laden is the number one priority to ("The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." 9/13/01) to he's not imortant and I don't care where he is ("I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." 3/13/02).

As far as I know, Alan is not derived from Arabic roots. Algorithm is derived from an Arabic mathematician's name (the same guy who invented algebra (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=algebra) to be exact...
Hisab al-jabr w'al-muqabala
They also gave us the numbers 0 - 9. Ever wondered why they're called arabic numerals?
Thank Fibonacci for introducing them to Europe. Otherwise we might still be using friggin' roman numerals.

The terrorists won.
*chuckle* I love you Fass

Hisab al-jabr w'al-muqabala
They also gave us the numbers 0 - 9. Ever wondered why they're called arabic numerals?
Thank Fibonacci for introducing them to Europe. Otherwise we might still be using friggin' roman numerals.

The zero came from India. It is what made the "Arabic" numerals advantageous in maths because of its use as a placeholder in th decimal system.