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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4964444.stm

Congratulations Sudan. Expect the Apaches to be heading in... Right... About... NOW!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4964444.stm

Congratulations Sudan. Expect the Apaches to be heading in... Right... About... NOW!

Don't bet on it.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4964444.stm

Congratulations Sudan. Expect the Apaches to be heading in... Right... About... NOW!
Vulnerable as in economicaly failed and viability

Not phisicaly vulnurable

Did you just read that one word in the headline and asssume?

Vulnerable as in economicaly failed and viability

Not phisicaly vulnurable

Did you just read that one word in the headline and asssume?
Look at the bottom paragraph. By "vulnerable" it does mean physically as well. I mean, an incredibly weak nation, it's economy's gone to crap, it's military's gone to crap, why not attack it?

Look at the bottom paragraph. By "vulnerable" it does mean physically as well. I mean, an incredibly weak nation, it's economy's gone to crap, it's military's gone to crap, why not attack it?
Well here are the 12 chriteria they were ranked on


# mounting demographic pressures

# massive movement of refugees and internally displaced peoples

# legacy of vengeance - seeking group grievance

# chronic and sustained human flight

# uneven economic development along group lines

# sharp and/or severe economic decline

# criminalisation and delegitimisation of the state

# progressive deterioration of public services

# widespread violation of human rights

# security apparatus as "state within a state"

# rise of factionalised elites

# intervention of other states or external actors

While they may have a weak millitary with thoes chriteria it is no where near guaronteed ...

The only one that directly shows millitary might is the last one ... intervention by external actors but if they score low on all the others ...

Don't bet on it.....

What? You mean Bush was lying with that talk about it's wrong for a dictator to kill his own people? You mean we aren't going to correct this?

There will probably be another study after all the killing is done.

. Sudan (3)*
2. DR Congo (2)*
3. Ivory Coast (1)*
4. Iraq (4)*
5. Zimbabwe (15)*
6. Chad (7)*
(Tie) Somalia (5)*
8. Haiti (10)*
9. Pakistan (34)*
10. Afghanistan (11)*

wow, pakistan below afganistan ...........

and if you sort the nations according to catergory I 9 - Widespread Violation of Human Rights, the USA, is the same as mexico. both scored a 5/10 !!

Congratulations Sudan. Expect the Apaches to be heading in... Right... About... NOW!

By this logic the Swedish S-tanks should be rolling into the USA as we speak in order to protect it.

this is quite intresting the definition of I9

can anyone see these devolping in their country?
9. Suspension or Arbitrary Application of the Rule of Law and Widespread Violation of Human Rights

Emergence of authoritarian, dictatorial or military rule in which constitutional and democratic institutions and processes are suspended or manipulated
bush and patriot act
Outbreak of politically inspired (as opposed to criminal) violence against innocent civilians

Rising number of political prisoners or dissidents who are denied due process consistent with international norms and practices
Guantanomo bay and reports of prison camps in europe
Widespread abuse of legal, political and social rights, including those of individuals, groups or cultural institutions (e.g., harassment of the press, politicization of the judiciary, internal use of military for political ends, public repression of political opponents, religious or cultural persecution)

Somalia isn't the most vulnerable? Wow. I thought the fact that it is the only country in the world (as far as I know) without a functioning government might have helped...

I don't think Sudan has anything to offer on an economic basis, so I think it's very unlikely that the US will 'liberate' Sudan anytime soon, if ever. It's the same with North Korea: ever heard of the North Korean oil field? No, so although it's a threat, chances of any attack will be around 0%.

Totaly agree Orioni 2

Iran is going to get it's regieme changed for it but N Korea and the crazy genocidal dictators in Africa won't.

Did you hear about Nigeria being the first African country recently to pay off it's debts despite a curtailed oil prduction?

Curtailed oil production?

Oil Exports Fetch $12bn in 2 Months
FG puts 16 oil blocks on offer
By Mike Oduniyi, 04.28.2006

Nigeria exported a total of 198 million barrels of crude oil between January and March 1, 2006, amounting to an income of about $11.9 billion (N1.52 trillion), boosted by high oil prices in the international market.

Also, two more oil blocks have been added to the 14 acreage that will be on offer at a mini bid round planned for next month, as the Federal Government moves to secure more investors for the country’s downstream petroleum sector.

Speaking in Lagos at the first quarterly media briefing on the transformation of the department, the Director, DPR, Mr. Tony Chukwueke, said the department successfully cleared 225 shipments for crude exports during the period in review, granted Approval to Construct (ATCs) to four private depots, while three existing depots were granted facility to increase their capacity.

Chukwueke revealed that more investors had already indicated their interest in preliminary discussions with the Minister of State for Petroleum, Dr Edmund Daukoru, to establish more downstream energy projects.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200604280089.html

Look at the bottom paragraph. By "vulnerable" it does mean physically as well. I mean, an incredibly weak nation, it's economy's gone to crap, it's military's gone to crap, why not attack it?

Why not attack it? Because China, the worlds next superpower, is Sudan's biggest export partner (taking almost 70% of its exports) and it's biggest importer.

Why would the might USA want to ruffle the feathers of China--it's next big competitor on the world stage--unneccessarily over a failed state?

What purpose would attacking it fill, other than creating undue conflict between these to competing nations?

Somalia isn't the most vulnerable? Wow. I thought the fact that it is the only country in the world (as far as I know) without a functioning government might have helped...


That was my thought exactly

Curtailed oil production?

Oil Exports Fetch $12bn in 2 Months
FG puts 16 oil blocks on offer
By Mike Oduniyi, 04.28.2006

Nigeria exported a total of 198 million barrels of crude oil between January and March 1, 2006, amounting to an income of about $11.9 billion (N1.52 trillion), boosted by high oil prices in the international market.

Also, two more oil blocks have been added to the 14 acreage that will be on offer at a mini bid round planned for next month, as the Federal Government moves to secure more investors for the country’s downstream petroleum sector.

Speaking in Lagos at the first quarterly media briefing on the transformation of the department, the Director, DPR, Mr. Tony Chukwueke, said the department successfully cleared 225 shipments for crude exports during the period in review, granted Approval to Construct (ATCs) to four private depots, while three existing depots were granted facility to increase their capacity.

Chukwueke revealed that more investors had already indicated their interest in preliminary discussions with the Minister of State for Petroleum, Dr Edmund Daukoru, to establish more downstream energy projects.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200604280089.html
They're exporting half a million barrels a day less than before due to unrest (that's out of a total of 2.5 million before the drop). Fairly damn curtailed, even if record prices are making them muchos moolah.

Welcome to NS, Fangmania. Nice first post!

JUst a quick one on somalia
http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0207/feature3/?fs=www7.nationalgeographic.com
It is doing better without a government

What? You mean Bush was lying with that talk about it's wrong for a dictator to kill his own people?

Yes. That and he didn't care....

You mean we aren't going to correct this?

Yes, if their's money, resources etc in it for him and his pals....

There will probably be another study after all the killing is done.

Yeah, and it will say something like "a lot of people died that don't really matter".....Or somesuch.....

9. Pakistan (34)*
10. Afghanistan (11)*

wow, pakistan below afganistan ...........

I am surprised too...considering that Pakistan was # 34 in the last year.....but not sad..;)