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For those of you who haven't heard my talks about Elizabeth, this a thread seeking help. As you may or may not know, I tend to be reclusive and anti-social. Recently, a girl named Elizabeth has tried her best and succeeded in taking me out of that reclusiveness, primarily through constant talking to me. Anyways, I consider her a dear friend now, as she is the only person who can talk to me for 15 seconds without considering me a complete and total freak. She has a boyfriend who is a complete and total ass. I've known him for six years, since 3rd grade. She's only known him for two years, but absolutely adores him. With my experiences through the six years with him, I know without a doubt that all he will do is hurt her in the end. I want to tell her how I feel about him, but I think she won't believe me, consider me just jealous (which I am not), and shun me for a while. I do not want the last part to happen. How ever, I do not want her to be hurt by this asshole either. Can someone recommend a way for me to go around with this without losing my friendship with her?

Does he cheat on her?

For those of you who haven't heard my talks about Elizabeth, this a thread seeking help. As you may or may not know, I tend to be reclusive and anti-social. Recently, a girl named Elizabeth has tried her best and succeeded in taking me out of that reclusiveness, primarily through constant talking to me. Anyways, I consider her a dear friend now, as she is the only person who can talk to me for 15 seconds without considering me a complete and total freak. She has a boyfriend who is a complete and total ass. I've known him for six years, since 3rd grade. She's only known him for two years, but absolutely adores him. With my experiences through the six years with him, I know without a doubt that all he will do is hurt her in the end. I want to tell her how I feel about him, but I think she won't believe me, consider me just jealous (which I am not), and shun me for a while. I do not want the last part to happen. How ever, I do not want her to be hurt by this asshole either. Can someone recommend a way for me to go around with this without losing my friendship with her?

*shrug* Rock and a hard place. My take? Let her be hurt, support her when it happens, definitly no "I told you so"s, and...Yeah, don't make a move just then.

Yeah, if they have a fallout, be there as a friend and wait awhile.

Does he cheat on her?
Yes. I've seen him with girls when Elizabeth is absent. I suppose I'm being a bit overprotective of Elizabeth, I mean, I'm spying on her boyfriend, but, she's the only friend I've ever had in RL.

Yes. I've seen him with girls when Elizabeth is absent. I suppose I'm being a bit overprotective of Elizabeth, I mean, I'm spying on her boyfriend, but, she's the only friend I've ever had in RL.

Define "with girls". You realize a guy with a significant other can still talk to other girls right?

Define "with girls". You realize a guy with a significant other can still talk to other girls right?
Ass grabbing. Kissing. Breast grabbing.

Ass grabbing. Kissing. Breast grabbing.

Ah...Right...Well, I'd risk presenting photograpic evidence, but if you wanna play it safe, wait for the inevitable fallout.

Wow, he's a dick

Ah...Right...Well, I'd risk presenting photograpic evidence, but if you wanna play it safe, wait for the inevitable fallout.
What if I do the presenting anoymonously. Like slip it in her binder when she isn't looking?

Does he do drugs?

What if I do the presenting anoymonously. Like slip it in her binder when she isn't looking?

Sure, that could work. Also, showing some of her other freinds and convincing them. If she hears it from more people, she may be more inclinced to believe it.

Does he do drugs?
Wouldn't be suprised. He probably does them at home if he does, and I'm not stupid enough to actually spy at him at his house. He does carry a lighter around, but it could be like the "Should I run?" girl. Maybe I'll search through his backpack one of these days.

Yeah, a girl listens to her close friends more than her own parents

Just let her know that you don't think he's a good guy, and tell her not to get too attached. But don't become the bearer of bad news, or act overly concerned, since she'll think you have other intentions and will actually put distance between you both.

Getting hurt is part of growing up, and in many cases there's nothing one can do to avoid it.

There is no guarantee that you won't lose your friendship with her. If you choose to be honest with her, you're right, she may not believe you, in which case you not only risk your friendship with her, but she'll stay with the guy and end up getting hurt anyway. If you don't tell her and she gets hurt, she might get mad at you anyway if she finds out later that you knew what he was like and didn't tell her. You're pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place as far as i'm concerned. The one thing you have to consider though is that no matter what, you most likely won't lose her frienship forever. Even if she gets mad at you, she'll look at it from a different perspective once she calms down. Besides, she might end up not getting upset at all and might actually find it sweet that you're concerned, i would, at least if the guy showed genuine compassion and was nice about it. You won't know until you tell her.

The fact is that she will never truly know whether or not he is going to hurt her until he does. As harsh as it may sound, sometimes people have to learn those things for themselves. Obviously if he is abusing her that's different, but if you just mean that he will eventually leave her and break her heart, that's something that she will experience at one point anyway. No one wants to and obviously you don't want to see that happen to her, but it can't be avoided.

I rambled on i know, but i'll just say that if you really care about her and really are concerned, that trumps any fear you may have that you will lose her friendship. Some things are worth the risk.

Here's an idea. It won't help you get the girl, but it will bring you some satisfaction...

If he does drugs, get some people together and set up a drug deal. When he goes to buy the drugs, they jump him and beat him up. Then, drag him into the woods and tie him to a tree. Then, smear honey on hima nd leave him there. If he survives, what is he going to tell the police? "Officer, I was trying to buy some drugs when the deal went bad". It's fool-proof.

Dumbass. She'll still be hurt by pictures of her boyfriend grabbing the ass of some chick...

That being said, on either end of this scenario she ends up hurt, only in some cases with you by her side or not. For a fast breakup, go for the pictures, but try not to get seen by the boyfriend... because then you'd be a stalker. If not, laissez faire, she and he break up, you comfort, she and thee are with each other.

What if the boyfriend grabbed some ass when his girlfriend was within eyesight of it and he didn't know it?

What if the boyfriend grabbed some ass when his girlfriend was within eyesight of it and he didn't know it?
He only does it when he knows Elizabeth is absent for the day.

Here's an idea. It won't help you get the girl, but it will bring you some satisfaction...

If he does drugs, get some people together and set up a drug deal. When he goes to buy the drugs, they jump him and beat him up. Then, drag him into the woods and tie him to a tree. Then, smear honey on hima nd leave him there. If he survives, what is he going to tell the police? "Officer, I was trying to buy some drugs when the deal went bad". It's fool-proof.
I never said I wanted to get Elizabeth, I simply said I didn't want to see her get hurt.

How could you tell me poetic justice isn't great?

I still think my idea is pretty good. She won't want to be with him if she finds out about the "activities" he engages in when she's not around. Not saying you should do any extreme spying.

Speaking as someone who's been in the position of having a boyfriend who was an ass... Elizabeth may have to learn the hard way what kind of person her boyfriend is. It sucks, but it's true. Now, she may just be a lot smarter than I was at 13, and really listen if you lay out your concerns, in which case, good for her. But it sounds like your main concern is to keep her from getting hurt, and from what you've said about the situation, I don't know if you can do that. If she cares about her boyfriend, no matter how much of an ass he is, she's going to get hurt by the breakup, no matter how she finds out about his cheating behaviour. Best thing you can do for her, in my opinion, is to be there when it happens and help her get through it.

I once dated a girl a year ago. We had a thing and were happy. sadly, it didn't last long. For some reason she left me for another guy. This guy's a complete ass. He hardly notices her and is rarely there for her. He's just bad. I'm still close friends with her and we still have some feelings for one another. But, she is still with him. Our school had prom a few days ago and she went with him. later, she told me she only enjoyed herslef when he wasn't around. But, she is still with him. Sooner or later it'll finally hit her that it's not worth it. I treated her right and we were always able to talk to one another.

Speaking as someone who's been in the position of having a boyfriend who was an ass... Elizabeth may have to learn the hard way what kind of person her boyfriend is. It sucks, but it's true. Now, she may just be a lot smarter than I was at 13, and really listen if you lay out your concerns, in which case, good for her. But it sounds like your main concern is to keep her from getting hurt, and from what you've said about the situation, I don't know if you can do that. If she cares about her boyfriend, no matter how much of an ass he is, she's going to get hurt by the breakup, no matter how she finds out about his cheating behaviour. Best thing you can do for her, in my opinion, is to be there when it happens and help her get through it.

agreed. i wouldnt press it. i mean, you seem like you dont want to lose her as a friend.

For those of you who haven't heard my talks about Elizabeth, this a thread seeking help. As you may or may not know, I tend to be reclusive and anti-social. Recently, a girl named Elizabeth has tried her best and succeeded in taking me out of that reclusiveness, primarily through constant talking to me. Anyways, I consider her a dear friend now, as she is the only person who can talk to me for 15 seconds without considering me a complete and total freak. She has a boyfriend who is a complete and total ass. I've known him for six years, since 3rd grade. She's only known him for two years, but absolutely adores him. With my experiences through the six years with him, I know without a doubt that all he will do is hurt her in the end. I want to tell her how I feel about him, but I think she won't believe me, consider me just jealous (which I am not), and shun me for a while. I do not want the last part to happen. How ever, I do not want her to be hurt by this asshole either. Can someone recommend a way for me to go around with this without losing my friendship with her?
You saw my advice from the other thread, yes? About telling her but applying no pressure so she is aware of your perspective? The only problem is that she may not tolerate you for a while after that. And with as attached as you have obviously become, that could be disastrous for your mental stability.:p If you don't want to opine to her, then you could always...make him disappear....
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That's what I suggested.

ritlina, i'd say leave this. there's no way you can get away with not being killed as the messenger, without sneaking about, which is worse than squealing anyway. so my advice would be to keep quiet, and if the shit does hit the fan you can be there to take care of elizabeth. it sounds like you properly care for her feelings so i'm sure you'd be a good shoulder to cry on. the thing is, even if you've known this guy for 6 years you may not know him really well enough to know what he's actually like. you've said yourself that elizabeth is your first real life friend, i know full well what it's like to not have friends. i didn't have any friends until i was 13/14 and i pretty much despised anyone who seemed even remotely confident with people or flirty because i knew i couldn't be like that and didn't understand how anyone else could. i'm older now and able to be a bit confident and flirty although not very touchy-feely. the thing is some people really are completely innocent with it. so be careful and stay out of other people's personal relationships if they have nothing to do with you :). unless the guy's actually hurting her, of course, then get something done immediately.

What if I do the presenting anoymonously. Like slip it in her binder when she isn't looking?
Nah. You need to make sure you aren't anywhere near her when you place the evidence, otherwise it will seem too convenient.

...make him disappear....
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*cough*9mm with a silencer?*cough*

A lion could accidently be released and attack him...:D

ritlina, i'd say leave this. there's no way you can get away with not being killed as the messenger, without sneaking about, which is worse than squealing anyway. so my advice would be to keep quiet, and if the shit does hit the fan you can be there to take care of elizabeth. it sounds like you properly care for her feelings so i'm sure you'd be a good shoulder to cry on. the thing is, even if you've known this guy for 6 years you may not know him really well enough to know what he's actually like. you've said yourself that elizabeth is your first real life friend, i know full well what it's like to not have friends. i didn't have any friends until i was 13/14 and i pretty much despised anyone who seemed even remotely confident with people or flirty because i knew i couldn't be like that and didn't understand how anyone else could. i'm older now and able to be a bit confident and flirty although not very touchy-feely. the thing is some people really are completely innocent with it. so be careful and stay out of other people's personal relationships if they have nothing to do with you :). unless the guy's actually hurting her, of course, then get something done immediately.
Geeze, that almost sounds like an ambiguous biography of me. You sure know how to attract 'em, former Ritlina. Cheating counts as hurting, but I still think you should handle it with a very clandestine approach.

A lion could accidently be released and attack him...:D
That's perfect! And it's more subtle than the 9mm!:D

Lions are the perfect assasins. they can't tell you who sent them. Muwhahahha!!

Ok, couple of things to think about....

(1) you could confront her (in a friend way) about what you know about him. the consequences of that could be one of two things (a) she thinks you are jealous, trying to break them up, etc. basically freak out and you won't be friends anymore OR (b) she could value your opions and start listening. only you know her well enough to know how she will react. we, here on NS, can only give you blind advice without really knowing her, or, no offensive, you for that matter.

one thing to keep in mind if you do that. she most likely will NOT break up with said dickhead right away. for some reason, us chicks, when we are with dickheads, we generally need a lot of time to process what other people tell us about our said dickhead boyfriends, chew it over, and then break-up with them, generally taking all the credit for realising that they are the asses ourselves. still, though, you are planting that seed in her head, which, sometimes is all that it takes. deep down in her heart, she may be thinking the same thing, may be on the fence about him, and your voice will be like that annoying tickle in her brain saying "Hey, he's an ass, you can do better.

OR

(2) you can do nothing, which could also blow up in your face. say elizabeth breaks up with the dickwad, and then she finds out that you knew what was going on the whole time. she may play the "You are my friend and you didn't tell me, what kind of friend are you." card.

no one here can tell you what to do, like I said, we know you to a point, but not enough to tell you the outcomes of either of the above choices. and, we don't know elizabeth at all.

for all your antisocial tendiences which you talk about, it seems to me that here you open up more than IRL. you seem like a nice guy, a quirky kid who is wise beyond his years (and I say this now since you stopped with the capitalization thing, which wasn't quirky, more so annoying :-) ).

my final advice, sorry i have a tendency to ramble, be her friend, sit back, watch. no I told you so's. if she asks for your opionion, don't pull any punches, but don't turn into an arrogant fool about it. the ones who help pick up the pieces later on are the ones we generally turn to next.

ok, ramble over.

Too young for love, why bother?
"Can I hold your hand"
"Uh..kay..I guess..."
"Can I kiss you?"
"Yeah but make it quick"

What good could having a relationship at thirteen possibly do?
You want friends not lovers.

Getting hurt is part of growing up, and in many cases there's nothing one can do to avoid it.
Except for eschewing people like they are concise writing.

Too young for love, why bother?
"Can I hold your hand"
"Uh..kay..I guess..."
"Can I kiss you?"
"Yeah but make it quick"

What good could having a relationship at thirteen possibly do?
You want friends not lovers.

...
Ignoring the stament itself, even I'm getting tired of people saying he wants to get Liz.

you seem like a nice guy, a quirky kid who is wise beyond his years
Wait! I'm wise? And NICE? What the fuck...

Here's an idea. It won't help you get the girl, but it will bring you some satisfaction...

If he does drugs, get some people together and set up a drug deal. When he goes to buy the drugs, they jump him and beat him up. Then, drag him into the woods and tie him to a tree. Then, smear honey on hima nd leave him there. If he survives, what is he going to tell the police? "Officer, I was trying to buy some drugs when the deal went bad". It's fool-proof.
I think you underestimate the ingenuity of fools. Nonetheless, it's something hilarious enough to be considered...

Wait! I'm wise? And NICE? What the fuck...

Oh yeah, most likely, just one getting screwed over by middle school. With any luck Liz catalizes something of a Beauty and the Beast type transformation on you.

Wait! I'm wise? And NICE? What the fuck...

once ya got rid of that capitlization thing.

nah, I mean that you seem older than you are. dude, take the compliment and run, ok?

For those of you who haven't heard my talks about Elizabeth, this a thread seeking help. As you may or may not know, I tend to be reclusive and anti-social. Recently, a girl named Elizabeth has tried her best and succeeded in taking me out of that reclusiveness, primarily through constant talking to me. Anyways, I consider her a dear friend now, as she is the only person who can talk to me for 15 seconds without considering me a complete and total freak. She has a boyfriend who is a complete and total ass. I've known him for six years, since 3rd grade. She's only known him for two years, but absolutely adores him. With my experiences through the six years with him, I know without a doubt that all he will do is hurt her in the end. I want to tell her how I feel about him, but I think she won't believe me, consider me just jealous (which I am not), and shun me for a while. I do not want the last part to happen. How ever, I do not want her to be hurt by this asshole either. Can someone recommend a way for me to go around with this without losing my friendship with her?


Sounds like you're only in grade 9. Such a callow youth... The best thing to do is to wait until he hurts her, and then you can go in and let her cry on your shoulder, and then...

yeah...

Oh yeah, most likely, just one getting screwed over by middle school. With any luck Liz catalizes something of a Beauty and the Beast type transformation on you.
Dude. If I had a movie filmed about my life by DISNEY, I'd probably make sure my suicide is slow and painful.

Sounds like you're only in grade 9. Such a callow youth... The best thing to do is to wait until he hurts her, and then you can go in and let her cry on your shoulder, and then...

yeah...

Funniest thing is that is the best strategy, ever.
Relationships never last more than a year in high school, so play the waiting game.

Sounds like you're only in grade 9. Such a callow youth... The best thing to do is to wait until he hurts her, and then you can go in and let her cry on your shoulder, and then...

yeah...
What? Our friendship continues? I don't get what you're pointing at.

Dude. If I had a movie filmed about my life by DISNEY, I'd probably make sure my suicide is slow and painful.

Oh come now, surely you have some glowing flower hidden somewhere representative of what turned you into....this.

I once dated a girl a year ago. We had a thing and were happy. sadly, it didn't last long. For some reason she left me for another guy. This guy's a complete ass. He hardly notices her and is rarely there for her. He's just bad. I'm still close friends with her and we still have some feelings for one another. But, she is still with him. Our school had prom a few days ago and she went with him. later, she told me she only enjoyed herslef when he wasn't around. But, she is still with him. Sooner or later it'll finally hit her that it's not worth it. I treated her right and we were always able to talk to one another.
Is there good advice buried in there?

Not really, I just felt like telling someone my sad story :(

Oh come now, surely you have some glowing flower hidden somewhere representative of what turned you into....this.

Oh god, not another hippy.

*Gets out anti-hippie bat*

Too young for love, why bother?
"Can I hold your hand"
"Uh..kay..I guess..."
"Can I kiss you?"
"Yeah but make it quick"

What good could having a relationship at thirteen possibly do?
You want friends not lovers.
But thirteen-year-olds think they want lovers. They're so stupid. Even friends are overrated.

Oh come now, surely you have some glowing flower hidden somewhere representative of what turned you into....this.
What color is the color of life? Because life turned me into "this".

But thirteen-year-olds think they want lovers. They're so stupid. Even friends are overrated.
Never said I wanted either. But Elizabeth seems to be the only person IRL who cares about me, so if I leave her, my black melancholy will burst forth again. You don't want me to turn into another Silence And Nothing, do you?

Wait! I'm wise? And NICE? What the fuck...
That one's just trying to make you feel better.

What color is the color of life? Because life turned me into "this".

It's black.
Like the abyss where your soul wanders.
Where the blades of happiness are manufactured.
The scriptual palace for My Chemical Romance.
Etc.

That one's just trying to make you feel better.
So she/he is lieing? Not suprised.

Never said I wanted either. But Elizabeth seems to be the only person IRL who cares about me, so if I leave her, my black melancholy will burst forth again. You don't want me to turn into another Silence And Nothing, do you?

Only if the bursting forth kills you, otherwise, no.

It's black.
Like the abyss where your soul wanders.
Where the blades of happiness are manufactured.
The scriptual palace for My Chemical Romance.
Etc.
Oh my god. That did sound emo didn't it? *hits self*

Only if the bursting forth kills you, otherwise, no.
Suicide, my good man. Suicide.

Suicide is never a solution, murder is :)

Suicide is never a solution, murder is :)
I say again, *cough*9mm with a silencer or a lion?*cough*

Not really, I just felt like telling someone my sad story :(
Y'know, you really suck at story time. You have to announce it before hand and use lots of smilies to depict the story to the slower members. Like this one:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470854&page=6

I'm sure you can find the story if you look a bit.

A lion with a silenced 9mm

What color is the color of life? Because life turned me into "this".

Is 42 a colour?

What color is the color of life? Because life turned me into "this".
Everyone knows it's purple.:rolleyes:

Never said I wanted either. But Elizabeth seems to be the only person IRL who cares about me, so if I leave her, my black melancholy will burst forth again. You don't want me to turn into another Silence And Nothing, do you?
I fail to see what's wrong with black melancholy.:confused:

Y'know, you really suck at story time. You have to announce it before hand and use lots of smilies to depict the story to the slower members. Like this one:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470854&page=6

I'm sure you can find the story if you look a bit.
You shouldn't have given me that link. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE!

I fail to see what's wrong with black melancholy.:confused:
Melancholy = non-clinical depression. Black melancholy = very incredibly bad non-clinical depression.

Suicide is never a solution, murder is :)
Yes, because the former is cowardly weakness and the latter, if properly done, is eternal amusement.

I say again, *cough*9mm with a silencer or a lion?*cough*
But you didn't say the lion before....

A lion with a silenced 9mm
Boyfriend goes "OMFG ITS A LION LOLZORS!"

Lion goes "Lion with a 9mm, bitch."

You shouldn't have given me that link. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE!
I didn't give it to you. I gave it to the other guy as a lesson in proper Generalite storytelling. And why not?

I didn't give it to you. I gave it to the other guy as a lesson in proper Generalite storytelling. And why not?
Look on the front page.

Melancholy = non-clinical depression. Black melancholy = very incredibly bad non-clinical depression.
I know that.:rolleyes: I still fail to see what's wrong with it.

Well, if I am going to tell her what I think about her boyfriend, and/or what I know about her boyfriend, how should I go about it?

You're in junior high. No relationship is going to last forever at this point and any pain from a breakup will be temporary. Let it run its course.

You're in junior high. No relationship is going to last forever at this point and any pain from a breakup will be temporary. Let it run its course.
But I feel as though if I let her get hurt, I will be betraying her somehow.

But I feel as though if I let her get hurt, I will be betraying her somehow.
You didn't set her up with him.

And if you tell her, she'll get hurt anyways, just sooner and she may shoot the messenger.

But I feel as though if I let her get hurt, I will be betraying her somehow.
Of course you are. Catch 22. It will all turn out for the worst, eventually.

You didn't set her up with him.

And if you tell her, she'll get hurt anyways, just sooner and she may shoot the messenger.
Ok... I'll just do the whole... Shoulder to cry on thing...

^ That would be the best advice I can offer, don't tell her, she won't thank you for it. Just be a good friend and let her work it our for herself. Be there for her when she does.

Have faith in your strength, and come out and tell her your feelings. Perhaps you are the answer to her abusive relationship, have you ever thought of that?

^ That would be the best advice I can offer, don't tell her, she won't thank you for it. Just be a good friend and let her work it our for herself. Be there for her when she does.
...prepared.

Perhaps you are the answer to her abusive relationship, have you ever thought of that?
I'm not sure what you're saying there. Do you mean I'm supposed to break her and her boyfriend up? I'm not understanding.

From what you have given me in your first post, you say the her boyfriend is abusive to her. From those facts alone, I derive that your there to comfort her through her time. Not to take her away, no, but to be that foundation of support which would help her through this time.

You never know, perhaps her boyfriend is in a time of change, and your there to give her strength as he does change.

I'm not saying this is truth, for this is just a confident belief as to what is going on. If I had more information, perhaps I could derive more. But from what I can see, this is what I can derive.

^_^

Regret what you do rather than what you don't do.
So, let her make her own mistakes and she'll grow into a better person for it.

And now for some advice from the, uh, love doctor, ahem...
There's another saying: treat em mean, keep em keen - women don't want Mr Nice Guy, you'll never be an option for her, just forever a plutonic friend. They want someone with a bit of fire in the belly, someone who won't be a push over, etc, i aint going on.

And, you in 9th grade or somein (couldn't work out the math, apologies), but totally don't get a dose of "the one" itis. Made that mistake myself. The ones that peak at 16, tend to lose it at 21, and by 24 you'll be glad you aint stuck with her.

Besides there's so much you-know-what out there, why would you wanna cash ya chips in on the first one.
That's how you don't progress y'see. I'm rollin now... You'll be 16 (and in my case) with a greasy undercut and the can't-accept-Kurt-is-dead wardrobe and it won't work. So ya shave ya head, buy a YSL shirt and it works a bit better, but still aint right. So you change ya crop again, lose the porkchop burns, drop a few pounds and it'll work some more. And then one day you'll finally click and you're away. And you won't even remember this girl with the crappy boyfriend. Promise ya.

Don't be lifes doormat man.

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I never said I wanted to go out with her, I just said I didn't want to see her hurt.

You never know, perhaps her boyfriend is in a time of change, and your there to give her strength as he does change.
He's been an asshole since 3rd grade. I doubt he will change.

sometimes people do change, but if he has been an asshole and gotten away with it, unless something changes that makes him unhappy with how he is, he won't change. I do know,however, that nice guys can turn into assholes given time.

I do know,however, that nice guys can turn into assholes given time.

amen to that. kick a dog enough times and one day he'll bite ya.

... thank goodness you're here Analogy Boy!

I never said I wanted to go out with her, I just said I didn't want to see her hurt.

Have you ever thought maybe they have a relationship invisible to you?
Sure I hate some people and think they are dickfucks but does that mean they can't have a meaningful and honest relationship with another person?

If she loves him, it's for a reason.

At 13 or 14 she's not going to get majorly hurt by the relationship with this bloke. Trying to undermine whatever they have will make you seem creepy and bitter, and besides, teenage romances are hardly long-term - she'll be over this asshole before you know it.

In the mean time, regarding what you said about her being the only thing between you and the dark miasma of painful melancholy or whatever - Chill out. Don't let this girl be the only thing in your life! Go out and about, party, make hordes of new friends! There are countless other soulmates out there who can protect you from your dark bursting forth melancholy. :p

He's been an asshole since 3rd grade. I doubt he will change.
Who you are in grades 3-9 are a poor indication of who you will become as an adult.

If I was you, mate, and I've been in situations like this before, I wouldn't try to plant evidence of this guy's misdeeds in her bag, or tell her friends. That'll just look like you're trying to show him up, so that you can usurp him.

And much as that might not be the case, if she actually adores him then that may well be what she thinks you're doing, and that's the kind of thing that can kill a friendship.

That's just the truth, regrettable as it is.

But the best of luck to you, whatever you choose to do.

So she/he is lieing? Not suprised.

yeah, OK whatever...like i said, take the compliment and run kid...

<big sigh> nevermind......

Have you ever thought maybe they have a relationship invisible to you?
Sure I hate some people and think they are dickfucks but does that mean they can't have a meaningful and honest relationship with another person?

If she loves him, it's for a reason.
He cheats on her regularly when she is absent. And by cheating, I mean ass-grabbing, kissing, and breast-fondeling.

In the mean time, regarding what you said about her being the only thing between you and the dark miasma of painful melancholy or whatever - Chill out. Don't let this girl be the only thing in your life! Go out and about, party, make hordes of new friends! There are countless other soulmates out there who can protect you from your dark bursting forth melancholy. :p
Firstly: She is not my soulmate.

Secondly: So far when ever I try to make the first move in a friendship, it's always the wrong move. The only reason Elizabeth is my friend is because she made the first move.

Thirdly: I hate parties.

Shooting the messenger doesn't always mean the messenger is killed, merely wounded. But, it is doubtful that their relationship will last anyways. He'll slip up or get tired of her. Then, you'll have your shoulder ready for her to cry on.

Then, you'll have your shoulder ready for her to cry on.
I suppose... But I truly don't want her to get hurt, even if it is a stupid middle school relationship.

There may not be any way for her not to get hurt, sorry. The short term will yield some trouble and pain. But in the long run, everything will be just fine.

When it happens, just being there will make you a true friend. Not leaving her to flounder in her tears, but lifting her up and saying ''life goes on" and possibly "he was a jerk anyways" WILL prove to her that you're a friend and I don't see how she would be mad at you. You may not want to hear it, but there may be nothing you can do, until after the fall out.

When it happens, just being there will make you a true friend. Not leaving her to flounder in her tears, but lifting her up and saying ''life goes on" and possibly "he was a jerk anyways" WILL prove to her that you're a friend and I don't see how she would be mad at you. You may not want to hear it, but there may be nothing you can do, until after the fall out.
I suppose... Well, if I can't stop the hurt, I suppose the best thing to do is to lessen it when it does happen.

Exactly. You can't stop an avalanche, but you can help in the clean-up.

What color is the color of life?.

woah, well its gotta be white light. Like before it goes into a prism...ohh, and then people are the prism, and we change the light into whatever color suits us best.

ok, yeah, that was really stupid.

Anyway, onto your little problem thing. So, we've got two options.

1. you tell her that her boyfriend is an ass.

outcome a: she thinks you're jealous and decides not to be friends with you ever again.

outcome b: she's all like 'woah, you're right! I'll go break up with him now'

outcome c: she gets a little mad because she thinks you're jealus for a while, but eventually gets over it.

alliright, I highly doubt a, and b is pretty unlikely too, so I'd go with c.

2. you don't tell her anything, they eventually break up.

outcome a: She is hurt for a while, but evenutally gets over it.

outcome b: she is extremely heart-broken and stays that way the rest of her life...

outcome c: she finds out you knew about this guy and is mad at you for not saying anything.

Ok, so b will never happen. If anything, its gonna be her breaking up with him, not him with her. And c is kinda stupid too...I mean, I thought you said you were anti-social, so how will she ever find out...and will she even really care that much?

so I'd say outcome a is most likely.

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so now lets compare....c from 1 and a from 2.

c, she gets mad at you, and then probably will also be hurt from the boyfriend as well, while in a. she is just hurt by the boyfriend.

So I'd say, don't do anything. If the guy is as big an asshole as you seem to be making him, its gonna be her breaking up with him, not him with her, so she won't even be that hurt.

So just don't do anything, and let it all play out...unless something really drastic happens. If so, you can like telegram me or something if you want.

So just don't do anything, and let it all play out...unless something really drastic happens. If so, you can like telegram me or something if you want.
So... I don't do anything when she's hurt by the break up? Seriously, everyone else is like "Get your shoulder ready for her to cry on!" You're like, one of the only people who haven't recommended that...

Secondly: So far when ever I try to make the first move in a friendship, it's always the wrong move. The only reason Elizabeth is my friend is because she made the first move.

Thirdly: I hate parties.

These two problems are inter-related. Parties are a great way to lose awkward friend-shortages - drunken revelry is the perfect catalyst for shy teens to make a whole bunch of cool buddies.

Oh brother.

Well, I wouldn't fret about whether she's with you or the asshat. In either case, a few years down the road, she won't be dating either of you.

So go find someone who is currently unoccupied, and have fun - instead of standing around waiting for something to swing your way.

So go find someone who is currently unoccupied, and have fun - instead of standing around waiting for something to swing your way.
As I have said before, whenever I try to swing to someone, I tend to fall off the vine. But then again, I haven't tried it since 3rd grade. But then again, I doubt much has changed.

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How appropriate! :p Lol

Better watch out, I'll steal your girlfriend :D

Men of nationstates, you have been warned. Keep an eye on your girlfriends.

amen to that. kick a dog enough times and one day he'll bite ya.

... thank goodness you're here Analogy Boy!
murderous metaphors batman!

Leave the issue alone. If what you say is true, Elizabeth's boyfriend has got a good thing going. Don’t’ ruin it for him. Be a guy.

Besides, based on the things you’ve said about yourself, she’s out of your league, hell, you’re not even playing the same sport.

Leave the issue alone. If what you say is true, Elizabeth's boyfriend has got a good thing going. Don’t’ ruin it for him. Be a guy.

Besides, based on the things you’ve said about yourself, she’s out of your league, hell, you’re not even playing the same sport.
1. HE'S AN ASSHOLE THOUGH! WHY SHOULDN'T I RUIN IT FOR HIM?! ALL HE'll DO IS HURT ELIZABETH!

2. I'm not trying to go out with her. I just don't want to see her hurt.

1. HE'S AN ASSHOLE THOUGH! WHY SHOULDN'T I RUIN IT FOR HIM?! ALL HE'll DO IS HURT ELIZABETH!

2. I'm not trying to go out with her. I just don't want to see her hurt.
I suppose your pathetic social situation has warped your viewpoint. Guys back each other up. If some dude is macking on multiple chicks, you give him a high five, not rat him out.
This Elisabeth person doesn’t own him.

What?! I don't high five a friend who cheats on his girlfriend. That behavior shouldn't be encouraged, it should be scorned.

I suppose your pathetic social situation has warped your viewpoint. Guys back each other up. If some dude is macking on multiple chicks, you give him a high five, not rat him out.
This Elisabeth person doesn’t own him.
I take love rather seriously. I don't "high five dude's macking on multiple chicks". Unless he loves them all, truthfully, and they all love him, truthfully, it's an abboration to love, and should be STOPPED!

I take love rather seriously. I don't "high five dude's macking on multiple chicks". Unless he loves them all, truthfully, and they all love him, truthfully, it's an abboration to love, and should be STOPPED!
You're just jealous.

Ritlina, annoying kid bordering on spamming, meet Undelia, annoying kid bordering on trolling. You two get along now. :D

You're just jealous.
I've never been jealous. You're just a polyogamist cheating bastard. You don't deserve a good woman.

I've never been jealous. You're just a polymogamist cheating bastard. You don't deserve a good woman.
Meh. You’re probably right. Good thing that the undeserving get what they want all the time. Hmm, I do love living in a random unfair universe.

Who you are in grades 3-9 are a poor indication of who you will become as an adult.
I disagree. I think there are common patterns to personality development during childhood that are recognizable to one who knows how to look. He will probably be at least a bit different, but that doesn't mean what he will become cannot be predicted with a small measure of accuracy.

Shooting the messenger doesn't always mean the messenger is killed, merely wounded. But, it is doubtful that their relationship will last anyways. He'll slip up or get tired of her. Then, you'll have your shoulder ready for her to cry on.
But she's probably got plenty of shoulders for that. Or if you ever are interested in a more involved relationship, you'll be stuck as the shoulder guy.

These two problems are inter-related. Parties are a great way to lose awkward friend-shortages - drunken revelry is the perfect catalyst for shy teens to make a whole bunch of cool buddies.
Oh, sure. Rely on alcohol to do all the work. You could be inordinately cruel and archotypically indifferent instead. That worked for me. That and a lethal dose of arrogance.

Better watch out, I'll steal your girlfriend :D

Men of nationstates, you have been warned. Keep an eye on your girlfriends.
I'd like to, but....
*runs away wailing*

I suppose your pathetic social situation has warped your viewpoint. Guys back each other up. If some dude is macking on multiple chicks, you give him a high five, not rat him out.
This Elisabeth person doesn’t own him.
You are the epitome of everything that is wrong with Western civilization.

Ritlina, annoying kid bordering on spamming, meet Undelia, annoying kid bordering on trolling. You two get along now. :D
I think I crossed the border into spamming two minutes ago. Thought you should know.:p

Meh. You’re probably right. Good thing that the undeserving get what they want all the time. Hmm, I do love living in a random unfair universe.
Newsflash: the universe is infinite, not random. And the undeserving don't always get what they want. In fact, I maintain they don't really know what they want but are convinced of what they think they want. Besides, your idea of a "good" woman and his are probably very, very different concepts.

Newsflash: the universe is infinite, not random. And the undeserving don't always get what they want. In fact, I maintain they don't really know what they want but are convinced of what they think they want. Besides, your idea of a "good" woman and his are probably very, very different concepts.
It is both infinite and random. It is random in that there is no mystical force that punishes people for “bad” or “evil” behavior. I think it is quite presumptuous of you to assume what other people want.

wait if he is an ass like you say then he will eventually show his ass. Then you move in for el reboundo. Plus you are in 9th grade...man chill you have a lot of time ahead of you.

But she's probably got plenty of shoulders for that. Or if you ever are interested in a more involved relationship, you'll be stuck as the shoulder guy.
Been thinking about that. Besides me, she does have a large empitome of female friends. No other male friends besides me and her boyfriend though.

You are the epitome of everything that is wrong with Western civilization.
No shit.

Ritlina, annoying kid bordering on spamming, meet Undelia, annoying kid bordering on trolling. You two get along now. :D
We could abridge that further:

Ritlina, 13, meet Undelia, 16. (or was it 17?)

:p

You're ignoring my awesome advice, duder. Forget Elizabeth and go have a good time and make friends. It can be done, you've just got to stop doing creepy stuff like plotting to ruin some random relationship on the internet and head to some houseparties instead.

Oh, sure. Rely on alcohol to do all the work. You could be inordinately cruel and archotypically indifferent instead. That worked for me. That and a lethal dose of arrogance.

You don't have to be an asshole to pick up girls, but you DO have to be the sort of guy who DOESN'T scheme about breaking up relationships because of some bullshit like "HE'S ONLY GOING TO HURT HER OH NO HE MUST BE STOPPED".

I disagree. I think there are common patterns to personality development during childhood that are recognizable to one who knows how to look. He will probably be at least a bit different, but that doesn't mean what he will become cannot be predicted with a small measure of accuracy.
I disagree, a lot of kids change a lot in highschool and even more still do a whole lot of growing up and changing once they're out on their own.

But yeah, some kids don't change.

You're ignoring my awesome advice, duder. Forget Elizabeth and go have a good time and make friends. It can be done, you've just got to stop doing creepy stuff like plotting to ruin some random relationship on the internet and head to some houseparties instead.
A) It's not a random relationship. It's the relationship between the only person who's ever cared about me and whom I've ever cared about in real life. And the relationship will only end up hurting her in the end.

B) I'd never be invited to house parties anyways.

You don't have to be an asshole to pick up girls, but you DO have to be the sort of guy who DOESN'T scheme about breaking up relationships because of some bullshit like "HE'S ONLY GOING TO HURT HER OH NO HE MUST BE STOPPED".
And? What's wrong with stopping the only person I care about to any degree from getting hurt? You friggin' sociopath.

As I said before, you can't stop her from being hurt. But you can be there for her after the shit hits the fan.

As I said before, you can't stop her from being hurt. But you can be there for her after the shit hits the fan.
*pads up shoulder* I know. I'm just explaining my reasoning to that sociopathic bastard who thinks cheating on your girlfriend is a great idea. Can we roast him please? PLEASE?!?!

I disagree, a lot of kids change a lot in highschool and even more still do a whole lot of growing up and changing once they're out on their own.

But yeah, some kids don't change.
I'm not saying they don't change a lot, only that certain types of people generally change in predictable ways.

*pads up shoulder* I know. I'm just explaining my reasoning to that sociopathic bastard who thinks cheating on your girlfriend is a great idea. Can we roast him please? PLEASE?!?!
He's a witch! Burn him!

Ass grabbing. Kissing. Breast grabbing.
Dude... I have done that to so many people this year/last year. Hell, I even licked someones boob (she was wearing a top:mad: )

But you know, I wasn't seriously, he might've been... I dunno.

Good luck on your travels, Gulivier. Oh and here is some anti-Liliputian spray-on!;)

Dude... I have done that to so many people this year/last year. Hell, I even licked someones boob (she was wearing a top:mad: )

But you know, I wasn't seriously, he might've been... I dunno.

Good luck on your travels, Gulivier. Oh and here is some anti-Liliputian spray-on!;)
While having a girlfriend?

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Listen to this guy, he's giving you some sweet advice.

Is all this going to matter when you're, say, 85? Gonna think about her then?
Is it even going to matter in a couple of years?

Sometimes you gotta think of number 1.

Listen to this guy, he's giving you some sweet advice.

Is all this going to matter when you're, say, 85? Gonna think about her then?
Is it even going to matter in a couple of years?

Sometimes you gotta think of number 1.
So I'm supposed to be an immoral bastard who cheats on his girlfriends? So I'm not supposed to care about the only person who cares about me in real life? And I probably won't when I'm 85, but since she's the only thing I care about right now in real life, I might as well make my time now worth her while.

So I'm supposed to be an immoral bastard who cheats on his girlfriends? So I'm not supposed to care about the only person who cares about me in real life? And I probably won't when I'm 85, but since she's the only thing I care about right now in real life, I might as well make my time now worth her while.

Dude, you're like Ichi The Killer!
Just chill and have some fun. Turn NS off and start getting amongst it.

If he's such a bastard he'll F/C her anyways. She'll learn from her mistake and that'll make her less vulnerable in the long run. It's all a learning experience.

Honestly, don't let it eat your soul.

Dude, you're like Ichi The Killer!
Just chill and have some fun. Turn NS off and start getting amongst it.

If he's such a bastard he'll F/C her anyways. She'll learn from her mistake and that'll make her less vulnerable in the long run. It's all a learning experience.

Honestly, don't let it eat your soul.
I cannot "get amongst it" except on NS. The only reason I have Elizabeth as a friend is because she decided to talk to me, which immediatly annoyed me, so I decided to talk to her so that she might go away, but then we became friends. If I ever decide to talk to people, the immediate response is usually "Freak", "Ugly bastard", "Loser", or some other degrading title.

"Ugly bitch"

Wait, are you a guy or a girl?
Cos this could change everything...

Wait, are you a guy or a girl?
Cos this could change everything...
Guy. But believe me, people will periodacally call me "bitch". I changed the quote in the quote in this post to "bastard" for your sake.

Guy. But believe me, people will periodacally call me "bitch". I changed the quote in the quote in this post to "bastard" for your sake.

Damn, and here i am hoping there was a logical reason for your behaviour!
I joke.

This isn't about a girl and an asshole.
Ultimately it's about improving your self-esteem.
Not changing to conform to society, but evolving yourself as a person.
Then you'll see the other side of the fence (not necessariy be on it) but you'll get why he's an ass, and understand why it works for him.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.
But i'm trying to help you get into the game.

As a bloke you got it a little easier.
You just need a decent haircut, clean clothes and to always wear a smile and people will start to accept you.

People won't randomly pick on you unless YOU are underselling yourself.
You gotta stop making yourself a target.

she decided to talk to me, which immediatly annoyed me, so I decided to talk to her so that she might go away

I'm not being mean, but this sort of thinking is probably why you haven't made many other friends.

Human contact annoys you? Seriously?

Listen to this guy, he's giving you some sweet advice.

Is all this going to matter when you're, say, 85? Gonna think about her then?
Is it even going to matter in a couple of years?

Sometimes you gotta think of number 1.
It might matter. Prolly not at his age, but eh, it might. It all depends on just how important she is to him and vice versa. From the sound of it, she's become more important to him than he probably is to her, and people who usually don't have many friends tend to become very, very attached. I know that first hand.

Dude, you're like Ichi The Killer!
Just chill and have some fun. Turn NS off and start getting amongst it.

If he's such a bastard he'll F/C her anyways. She'll learn from her mistake and that'll make her less vulnerable in the long run. It's all a learning experience.

Honestly, don't let it eat your soul.
Ooo, ooo, I'll take your soul!

Damn, and here i am hoping there was a logical reason for your behaviour!
I joke.

This isn't about a girl and an asshole.
Ultimately it's about improving your self-esteem.
Not changing to conform to society, but evolving yourself as a person.
Then you'll see the other side of the fence (not necessariy be on it) but you'll get why he's an ass, and understand why it works for him.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.
But i'm trying to help you get into the game.

As a bloke you got it a little easier.
You just need a decent haircut, clean clothes and to always wear a smile and people will start to accept you.

People won't randomly pick on you unless YOU are underselling yourself.
You gotta stop making yourself a target.
That's decent advice, except for the smile. Instead you should resort to cutting remarks to destroy those who insult you.

I cannot "get amongst it" except on NS. The only reason I have Elizabeth as a friend is because she decided to talk to me, which immediatly annoyed me, so I decided to talk to her so that she might go away, but then we became friends. If I ever decide to talk to people, the immediate response is usually "Freak", "Ugly bastard", "Loser", or some other degrading title.
Never let your shields down.

I was once in a similar situation this year. Some girl, who I'd never seen before, showed up during my lunch and started talking to me for no reason. I switched to full glacial and ended up freezing her to death with my responses. Then, I avoided lunch for the next two days. Upon my return, I saw her once, but looked at her without recognition or interest, ignoring her for the rest of the hour.

I never saw her again.

That's decent advice, except for the smile. Instead you should resort to cutting remarks to destroy those who insult you.
Glacial cutting remarks ftw. ;)

Never let your shields down.

I was once in a similar situation this year. Some girl, who I'd never seen before, showed up during my lunch and started talking to me for no reason. I switched to full glacial and ended up freezing her to death with my responses. Then, I avoided lunch for the next two days. Upon my return, I saw her once, but looked at her without recognition or interest, ignoring her for the rest of the hour.

I never saw her again.
Since when do people WANT me to stay a loner kid?

It might matter. Prolly not at his age, but eh, it might. It all depends on just how important she is to him and vice versa. From the sound of it, she's become more important to him than he probably is to her, and people who usually don't have many friends tend to become very, very attached. I know that first hand.
Yes. That's true. In fact, I may me a little over protective of her. But wouldn't you be a little over protective of the only thing that seems to care about you and the only thing you care about?

For those of you who haven't heard my talks about Elizabeth, this a thread seeking help. As you may or may not know, I tend to be reclusive and anti-social. Recently, a girl named Elizabeth has tried her best and succeeded in taking me out of that reclusiveness, primarily through constant talking to me. Anyways, I consider her a dear friend now, as she is the only person who can talk to me for 15 seconds without considering me a complete and total freak. She has a boyfriend who is a complete and total ass. I've known him for six years, since 3rd grade. She's only known him for two years, but absolutely adores him. With my experiences through the six years with him, I know without a doubt that all he will do is hurt her in the end. I want to tell her how I feel about him, but I think she won't believe me, consider me just jealous (which I am not), and shun me for a while. I do not want the last part to happen. How ever, I do not want her to be hurt by this asshole either. Can someone recommend a way for me to go around with this without losing my friendship with her?

Are you in the states, if so, what state?

Are you in the states, if so, what state?
Look at my location. I'm in California.

Damn, and here i am hoping there was a logical reason for your behaviour!
I joke.

This isn't about a girl and an asshole.
Ultimately it's about improving your self-esteem.
Not changing to conform to society, but evolving yourself as a person.
Then you'll see the other side of the fence (not necessariy be on it) but you'll get why he's an ass, and understand why it works for him.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.
But i'm trying to help you get into the game.

As a bloke you got it a little easier.
You just need a decent haircut, clean clothes and to always wear a smile and people will start to accept you.

People won't randomly pick on you unless YOU are underselling yourself.
You gotta stop making yourself a target.
It may work for him, but it doesn't work for Liz.

Haircut = Decent, Clothes = clean, smile = not so much. Why the fuck should I do what people want so that people will like me?

It may work for him, but it doesn't work for Liz.

Haircut = Decent, Clothes = clean, smile = not so much. Why the fuck should I do what people want so that people will like me?
Do whatever the hell you want.

And BTW, it's been 3 days, is the situation the same?

Do whatever the hell you want.

And BTW, it's been 3 days, is the situation the same?
She was absent today, and we all know what that means. I just talked to Elizabeth, asked her what she felt about her boyfriend, said he's the greatest guy ever, etc. etc. I didn't want to hurt her right then and there with the observations of the day. In other words, no. The boyfriend is still a cheating asshole, and Liz had no idea what's going on and considers him to be awesome.

Well find some way to expose this bastard for who he truly is right in front of her. And if he tries to pop you one fight back :mp5:

She was absent today, and we all know what that means. I just talked to Elizabeth, asked her what she felt about her boyfriend, said he's the greatest guy ever, etc. etc. I didn't want to hurt her right then and there with the observations of the day. In other words, no. The boyfriend is still a cheating asshole, and Liz had no idea what's going on and considers him to be awesome.
Well then I guess you remain between the rock and the hard place. Though I guess it's inevitable that he'll hurt her, sooner or later one of her other friends is bound to notice him cheating on her, failing that she might just dump him for totally unrelated reasons. Or he could dump her.

what I'm saying is he should find some scheme to expose his character like record what he says and throw it out in the open so that no one will ever want to go out with him again.

For those of you who haven't heard my talks about Elizabeth, this a thread seeking help. As you may or may not know, I tend to be reclusive and anti-social. Recently, a girl named Elizabeth has tried her best and succeeded in taking me out of that reclusiveness, primarily through constant talking to me. Anyways, I consider her a dear friend now, as she is the only person who can talk to me for 15 seconds without considering me a complete and total freak. She has a boyfriend who is a complete and total ass. I've known him for six years, since 3rd grade. She's only known him for two years, but absolutely adores him. With my experiences through the six years with him, I know without a doubt that all he will do is hurt her in the end. I want to tell her how I feel about him, but I think she won't believe me, consider me just jealous (which I am not), and shun me for a while. I do not want the last part to happen. How ever, I do not want her to be hurt by this asshole either. Can someone recommend a way for me to go around with this without losing my friendship with her?
You should make another effort to get to know her boyfriend. You seem to have trouble thinking of any of your peers (especially males with girlfriends) as decent people.

They seem to be all assholes, sluts and butches with you.

Anyway, if my advice doesn't work and the guy actually is a bastard, do not intervene. Liz must find out for herself.

I think you are jealous. That doesn't mean you want to date Elizabeth. Maybe you're just jealous that she's in a relationship.

I think you are jealous. That doesn't mean you want to date Elizabeth. Maybe you're just jealous that she's in a relationship.

Feh....seems more like some kind of care cartharsis.

Feh....seems more like some kind of care cartharsis.

Maybe. When I give advice, I have a tendancy to project my own problems onto the people asking for help. I guess I wouldn't make a good psychologist.

Maybe. When I give advice, I have a tendancy to project my own problems onto the people asking for help. I guess I wouldn't make a good psychologist.

Ah...Well, I usually find similarities between there's issues and mine...but I figure I can make out a distinction...>_> I sorta wanted to use the word catharsis, but it seems appropriate...

You should make another effort to get to know her boyfriend. You seem to have trouble thinking of any of your peers (especially males with girlfriends) as decent people.
Schol itself is effort enough. I think someone who regularly cheats on his girlfriend when she isn't there can be considered an asshole. I think someone who regularly beats up on kids just because they're schizotypal can be considered an asshole.

Schol itself is effort enough. I think someone who regularly cheats on his girlfriend when she isn't there can be considered an asshole. I think someone who regularly beats up on kids just because they're schizotypal can be considered an asshole.

Bwahaha...You've quite the intresting mnemonic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypal_personality_disorder


And just because I can, Dysgraphia!:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia

Schol itself is effort enough. I think someone who regularly cheats on his girlfriend when she isn't there can be considered an asshole. I think someone who regularly beats up on kids just because they're schizotypal can be considered an asshole.
Apologies, please excuse my scepticism. It just sounds like you think all of your peers are assholes, or sluts/bitches.

Anyway, if my advice doesn't work and the guy actually is a bastard, do not intervene. Liz must find out for herself.

Bwahaha...You've quite the intresting mnemonic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypal_personality_disorder
And? I am.

Ehh... Yes, I suppose I am over protective of Liz. But I can't help it! She's truely the only thing that matters to me right now in real life!

Ehh... Yes, I suppose I am over protective of Liz. But I can't help it! She's truely the only thing that matters to me right now in real life!

I'm going to say this one more time, and if you take it to heart it will solve all your problems. You need other things that matter to you in real life. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Use the advice in this thread to make a pantheon of real-life friends and buddies so that when one makes you sad you can hang out with the others. Stop letting Elizabeth get to you like this, it will only make you come across as creepy. Let her live her own life, remain her friend, and be sure and live yours too.

I'm going to say this one more time, and if you take it to heart it will solve all your problems. You need other things that matter to you in real life. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Use the advice in this thread to make a pantheon of real-life friends and buddies so that when one makes you sad you can hang out with the others. Stop letting Elizabeth get to you like this, it will only make you come across as creepy. Let her live her own life, remain her friend, and be sure and live yours too.
As I have said before, even if I try, I cannot make friends. The only reason Liz became my friend is because she came to me first.

Glacial cutting remarks ftw. ;)
That's the only proper cutting remark. All the others are rather ineffectual.

Since when do people WANT me to stay a loner kid?
For the record, I always did. I find bitterness and hatred are much more desirable than "friends."

Yes. That's true. In fact, I may me a little over protective of her. But wouldn't you be a little over protective of the only thing that seems to care about you and the only thing you care about?
Hard to say. One of them I also bitterly hate. The other is not mine to protect at all; she is another's, and I can't bring myself to tell her, mostly because I'm not sure how I feel about her. Just remember that usually the harder we tighten our grasp, on anything, the more it slips through our fingers.

Maybe. When I give advice, I have a tendancy to project my own problems onto the people asking for help. I guess I wouldn't make a good psychologist.
I do that too, but it usually distracts them from their own problems for at least a couple of hours. Psychologists aren't always even that helpful and they take a long time and lots of money. I'm free, if a bit crude in technique.

Ehh... Yes, I suppose I am over protective of Liz. But I can't help it! She's truely the only thing that matters to me right now in real life!
I hear that if you let those sorts of things go and they return to you, they're yours forever. If not, meh. Doesn't matter anymore because you were stupid enough to throw it away.;)