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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961262900&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFullFor the first time since the first century, there are more Jews in Israel today than in any other country, according to data published by the Central Bureau of Statistics on Monday.

Ahead of Independence Day on Wednesday, the bureau, which is one of Israel's top demographers, announced that the country's population currently stands at 7.03 million, a population increase of 118,000 since a year ago. According to the report, 5.33 million are Jews, making up 76 percent of the total population. There are 1.39 million Arabs, contributing to approximately 20%.

"If current trends continue, there could be an absolute majority of world Jewry living in Israel within 25-30 years," said Professor Sergio Della-Pergola of the A. Harmann Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University and the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute. He attributed the increase to the higher number of births than deaths amongst Israeli Jews - there were some 138,000 new babies born since Independence Day 2005 - estimating that this alone added around 70,000 to the current figure. "Israel is the only country in the world with a natural increase in its Jewish population," commented Della-Pergola.

By comparison, he said that population increases due to aliya were almost negated by the migration of Israelis abroad. Although there were 21,000 new immigrants, after taking migrants out of Israel into account, new olim only swelled the Jewish population by "a few thousand" this year.

The Jewish population of the United States is notoriously difficult to measure, according to Della-Pergola. "The last surveys were taken in 2001, and even then the figures are not as accurate as the numbers provided by Israeli statisticians," he said. The 2001 surveys stated that there were around 5.3 million Jews in America, though Della-Pergola expects that number to have declined somewhat over the last five years. "In 1990 there were an estimated 5.515 million Jews in the US, in 2001 there were only 5.3 million," he commented, and suggested that extrapolation of this declining figure would mean a figure today lower than the 2001 estimate.

Additional figures which emerged from the Central Bureau of Statistics report showed that the five most populated Israeli cities were Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Rishon Lezion and Ashdod, with a combined population of 1.79 million - a quarter of Israel's total population.

The most popular names for 'Independence Day babies' are Medina, Tikva, Nitzona, Dror and Drora, while of those born after the Six-Day War, 40 were given the name Zahal.


I think that this is a very intresting story, but im just wondering why some Jews are leaving America for Israel. I know its their sacred homeland, but what about the whole struggle of Israel in the middle east? Do they not care about that?

One thing is for sure, white supremicists(sp) will be happy to hear this

Good on Israel, I suppose.

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I think that this is a very intresting story, but im just wondering why some Jews are leaving America for Israel. I know its their sacred homeland, but what about the whole struggle of Israel in the middle east? Do they not care about that?
I know it's shocking, but life in Israel can be very good. Many Jews from outside Israel fall in love with the culture, the place, and the people in Israel and decide to stay. It really is a very central place to live any type of Jewish existance imaginable, and find others like you. These attractions mitigate security and financial concerns, which, depending on where you choose to live, can be minimized.

Well, kickass for us, I suppose. About time the population started rising, we've been to small for quite a long while.

Well, kickass for us, I suppose. About time the population started rising, we've been to small for quite a long while.

There'll be no space left, if the population keeps rising!

There'll be no space left, if the population keeps rising!
Not a problem. Just extend the wall more into Palestine.

Woot, jews.

Can/Do non-Jews immigrate to Isreal?

Think of the total number of Jews in the world.

Now think of all the people with the last name Li or Wong.

IIRC, there are 65 million Chinese alone who have the last name Li.

Jews, even all told, are a fraction of that 65 million.

Doing pretty good, eh?

Does this mean that Israel is going to be the new Hollywood?

Jewriffic!

I have a feeling the jews will die out or be wiped out within 50 years.

I have a feeling the jews will die out or be wiped out within 50 years.
I'll give you a hint - people have been trying to do that for around 2000 years - no success yet.

And even under that sort of pressure, they managed to produce a tremendous amount of music, literature, science, etc., as well as notable figures in many intellectual areas.

Go figure.

One comparison I like to see is how many scientific papers and patents various groups produce - even if you combine the efforts of every Arab nation on Earth since 1948, and compare it with Israel, or count the number of published book titles, etc - the Israelis, with a pitifully small number of people constantly under attack manage to consistently do orders of magnitude more productive work than all the Arabs combined.

Can/Do non-Jews immigrate to Isreal?

Yes, but immigration is different for Jews and non-Jews. The latter has to be naturalized and immigration is difficult, like in most countries. The former can return very easily under the Law of Return.

I'll give you a hint - people have been trying to do that for around 2000 years - no success yet.

And even under that sort of pressure, they managed to produce a tremendous amount of music, literature, science, etc., as well as notable figures in many intellectual areas.

Go figure.

One comparison I like to see is how many scientific papers and patents various groups produce - even if you combine the efforts of every Arab nation on Earth since 1948, and compare it with Israel, or count the number of published book titles, etc - the Israelis, with a pitifully small number of people constantly under attack manage to consistently do orders of magnitude more productive work than all the Arabs combined.
Why do you compare them to Arabs?

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It's much easier to write books and be creative when you have water to drink and a reasonable amount of money to live on.

It's much easier to write books and be creative when you have water to drink and a reasonable amount of money to live on.
I guess the trillions in oil wealth the Saudis are sitting on is a mere pittance.

I guess the trillions in oil wealth the Saudis are sitting on is a mere pittance.
What do the Saudis have to do with Israel?

What do the Saudis have to do with Israel?
The Saudis are Arabs - the point being made is that the Israelis have done so much more in terms of civilization in the past 50 years than all of the Arabs combined. Despite being a fraction of the latter.

Someone said that if the Arabs had enough money...

Can/Do non-Jews immigrate to Isreal?
they can, but it's much, much more difficult than it would be if you're Jewish.

Perhaps its a response to the inevitable arab victory-by-demographics.

Israel needs a lot more jews, and its jews need to have a lot more kids, if thye are to survive in the long-term as a jewish democracy.

The Saudis are Arabs - the point being made is that the Israelis have done so much more in terms of civilization in the past 50 years than all of the Arabs combined. Despite being a fraction of the latter.

Someone said that if the Arabs had enough money...

They've been concentrating on oil, whilst the other countries have been using it.

They've been concentrating on oil, whilst the other countries have been using it.
That's a pointless statement. Most of the Arabs aren't involved in oil production, and only a few of them are spending the money.

It's not a matter of being exploited by Westerners, or even the "worldwide Jewish conspiracy".

It's a matter of Arabs screwing each other over a percentage.

That's a pointless statement. Most of the Arabs aren't involved in oil production, and only a few of them are spending the money.

It's not a matter of being exploited by Westerners, or even the "worldwide Jewish conspiracy".

It's a matter of Arabs screwing each other over a percentage.

...being of the same race doesn't mean that they have to share money with eachother. The wealthy Arabs...are wealthy. Lots of Arabs in the Middle East are pretty damn poor, especially in Israel. I think comparing a nationality with a race was a bit...tenuous, anyway.

...being of the same race doesn't mean that they have to share money with eachother. The wealthy Arabs...are wealthy. Lots of Arabs in the Middle East are pretty damn poor, especially in Israel. I think comparing a nationality with a race was a bit...tenuous, anyway.

Hey, Deep Kimchi, is it just me or is this guy completely missing the point.

...being of the same race doesn't mean that they have to share money with eachother. The wealthy Arabs...are wealthy. Lots of Arabs in the Middle East are pretty damn poor, especially in Israel. I think comparing a nationality with a race was a bit...tenuous, anyway.
Do Jews share money with each other? And there is no oil in Israel at all.

BTW, I'm not sure that Israeli Arabs are pretty poor in comparison with, say, neighbouring Syria.

Personally, I'd be a bit more surprised if the US had more Jews than Israel...
On a slightly different note, didn't some organization of demographers say that there would be a majority of Muslims in England? Wouldn't that mean that they could get into Parliament and ban all other religions? Just a quick thought...

Personally, I'd be a bit more surprised if the US had more Jews than Israel...
On a slightly different note, didn't some organization of demographers say that there would be a majority of Muslims in England? Wouldn't that mean that they could get into Parliament and ban all other religions? Just a quick thought...

It's not likely...

Hey, Deep Kimchi, is it just me or is this guy completely missing the point.
Please, explain.

It's not likely...
Well, most demographics are inaccurate because they usually only factor in single rates and not the effect that other rates have on them... but if it were to continue its current incline as it has in the past few years, it could become a majority. What's more unlikely is that all these Muslims would be extremist and want to ban all other religion...but it's still a vague possibility.

Please, explain.

Because, he was trying to talk about how much more culturally, technoligcally, everythingally more productive Israel is than the arab countries, and you keep dragging the topic off into left field by talking about...well the arabs have been busy producing oil and all that.

Your just totally missing what he was trying to say and with each post dragger your guys conversation further and further off topic.

Because, he was trying to talk about how much more culturally, technoligcally, everythingally more productive Israel is than the arab countries, and you keep dragging the topic off into left field by talking about...well the arabs have been busy producing oil and all that.

Your just totally missing what he was trying to say and with each post dragger your guys conversation further and further off topic.

But what is the purpose in comparing Israel to Arab nations? Besides, most of Israel's inventions have been military or involved in the theft of water.

But what is the purpose in comparing Israel to Arab nations? Besides, most of Israel's inventions have been military or involved in the theft of water.

To talk about how much more productive Israel is than the arab states.

Maybe Israel has to invent so much military shit because they are forever on the defensive, fighting for their country to surivive the night into another day.

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And what is that bolded crap?

To talk about how much more productive Israel is than the arab states.

Maybe Israel has to invent so much military shit because they are forever on the defensive, fighting for their country to surivive the night into another day.

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And what is that bolded crap?

Yes, but that doesn't explain why a lack of Arab inventions is related to the Jews not dying out in 50 years!

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Israel has a put a lot of research into stealing water so as to turn the desert into a luscious shade of green. Look at the dead sea, for example--running dry.

Yes, but that doesn't explain why a lack of Arab inventions is related to the Jews not dying out in 50 years!

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Israel has a put a lot of research into stealing water so as to turn the desert into a luscious shade of green. Look at the dead sea, for example--running dry.

I dont know what your talking about in your first paragraph...who said anything about Jews dying out?

Are you really concerned that Israel is trying to put agriculture in the desert?

Make it habitable?

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!:( :rolleyes:

I dont know what your talking about in your first paragraph...who said anything about Jews dying out?
Look.



I have a feeling the jews will die out or be wiped out within 50 years.
I'll give you a hint - people have been trying to do that for around 2000 years - no success yet.

And even under that sort of pressure, they managed to produce a tremendous amount of music, literature, science, etc., as well as notable figures in many intellectual areas.

Go figure.

One comparison I like to see is how many scientific papers and patents various groups produce - even if you combine the efforts of every Arab nation on Earth since 1948, and compare it with Israel, or count the number of published book titles, etc - the Israelis, with a pitifully small number of people constantly under attack manage to consistently do orders of magnitude more productive work than all the Arabs combined.

Are you really concerned that Israel is trying to put agriculture in the desert?

Make it habitable?

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!:( :rolleyes:

Yes, because it is a grossly extravagant use of water.

Look.

Ok, thanks. He was just pointing out, to counter U.N.'s idiotic anti semitism, that people have been trying to slaughter the Jews for over 2000 years, yet they still manage extreme amounts of productivity.

The arab part comes in where he said he would like to see a comparision between Arab productivity and Israeli productivity....saying that Israelis can do alot more with the land. I agree. Thats all.


Yes, because it is a grossly extravagant use of water.[/QUOTE]

Do, we have like the rest of the 3/4 of the planet. Relax man.

Ok, thanks. He was just pointing out, to counter U.N.'s idiotic anti semitism, that people have been trying to slaughter the Jews for over 2000 years, yet they still manage extreme amounts of productivity.

The arab part comes in where he said he would like to see a comparision between Arab productivity and Israeli productivity....saying that Israelis can do alot more with the land. I agree. Thats all.

Do, we have like the rest of the 3/4 of the planet. Relax man.

He didn't use the conditional tense though; he said "one comparison I like to see", no "would like", which seemed to attach a greater relevence to the point at hand, which was death of all Jews.

Fresh water... ^^

Edit: and I'm really not sure how relevent his tense use is, but it did mislead me.

He didn't use the conditional tense though; he said "one comparison I like to see", no "would like", which seemed to attach a greater relevence to the point at hand, which was death of all Jews.


Edit: and I'm really not sure how relevent his tense use is, but it did mislead me.

Understandable.

Fresh water... ^^

Not understandable.

The dead sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_sea) is a hypersaline lake, the farthest thing I can think of from fresh water.

You said as an example of Israel using too much water look at the dead sea.

Understandable.



Not understandable.

The dead sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_sea) is a hypersaline lake, the farthest thing I can think of from fresh water.

You said as an example of Israel using too much water look at the dead sea.

Look at your own links, please. "The Jordan River runs into the Dead Sea"..."The Dead Sea is rapidly shrinking due to diversion of incoming water"..."Because it is not realistic to cease using the Jordan River for human needs".

Look at your own links, please. "The Jordan River runs into the Dead Sea"..."The Dead Sea is rapidly shrinking due to diversion of incoming water"..."Because it is not realistic to cease using the Jordan River for human needs".

Thats fine, but you were talking about Fresh water.

Thats fine, but you were talking about Fresh water.

And the River Jordan, which supplies the Dead Sea, is fresh water. The Dead Sea is shrinking because of extraction of water from the River Jordan.

And the River Jordan, which supplies the Dead Sea, is fresh water. The Dead Sea is shrinking because of extraction of water from the River Jordan.

Oh I see...when you mentioned Fresh water...you were refering to the Jordan.

Fair enough.

Eh the dead sea is fine...I was there at Christmas....its hardly shriviling up...though something else totally was. :p

Ok, thanks. He was just pointing out, to counter U.N.'s idiotic anti semitism, .

Could you provide a few examples of this "anti-semitism" please?

And the point about the amount of wealth amongst the Arab population is perfectly valid, as they live in 2nd/3rd world countries where its very unevenly distributed, and theres poor education, opportunities and so on.

Oh I see...when you mentioned Fresh water...you were refering to the Jordan.

Fair enough.

Eh the dead sea is fine...I was there at Christmas....its hardly shriviling up...though something else totally was. :p

Even Israel disagrees with you there. They are planning to divert water from the Mediterranean into the Dead Sea, to rescue it. So everyone's a winner! :)

I bet the families would get along great.....

I bet the families would get along great.....

Yeah, right:rolleyes:

Could you provide a few examples of this "anti-semitism" please?

Are you joking...just look at any of his posts...actually, better yet, ask Tropical Sands as he keeps tabs on all that.

And the point about the amount of wealth amongst the Arab population is perfectly valid, as they live in 2nd/3rd world countries where its very unevenly distributed, and theres poor education, opportunities and so on.

Whos fault is that?

Even Israel disagrees with you there. They are planning to divert water from the Mediterranean into the Dead Sea, to rescue it. So everyone's a winner! :)

Eh...always knew Israelis were about of sand dune huggers :D

Actually, people have been trying to wipe out the Jews for the last 4000 years with no success.

Israel has a put a lot of research into stealing water so as to turn the desert into a luscious shade of green. Look at the dead sea, for example--running dry.
Yes, because stealing water from the ultra-salinized dead sea is SUCH a crime. You do realize that the water from the dead sea is fucking deadly to drink right? There's a reason it's called the DEAD sea, and not the Happy-Go-Lucky Life Abundant sea.

Concerning Israel and their oil read this:

GOD SUPPLIES (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46428)

Yeah, right:rolleyes:



Are you joking...just look at any of his posts...actually, better yet, ask Tropical Sands as he keeps tabs on all that.


I thought you referred to The UN as opposed to the poster, UN.


Whos fault is that?

History, Geography....

Don't worry guys, I'm still planning to live in the US!

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I think that this is a very intresting story, but im just wondering why some Jews are leaving America for Israel. I know its their sacred homeland, but what about the whole struggle of Israel in the middle east? Do they not care about that?

One thing is for sure, white supremicists(sp) will be happy to hear this


Who in the world would care about THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I would never care about that.

Don't worry guys, I'm still planning to live in the US!

I thought you were an atheist.

Yes, because stealing water from the ultra-salinized dead sea is SUCH a crime. You do realize that the water from the dead sea is fucking deadly to drink right? There's a reason it's called the DEAD sea, and not the Happy-Go-Lucky Life Abundant sea.

From the River Jordan. Gheesh, you don't pay very much attention, do you?

Israel is richer than the Arab states around it for three obvious reasons.

1. The Jews immigrating to Israel are rich in the first place.

2. Israel leeches off American foreign aid.

3. It doesn't have Israel bombing it daily.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2...1112442,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1112442,00.html)

http://www.newint.org/issue348/mean.htm

http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id=1278

http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/ge...assassinate.htm (http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/general/2003/0618assassinate.htm)

www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/hrwa-m10.shtml

http://www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_e/ipc_e-1/e_News...eports-030.html (http://www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_e/ipc_e-1/e_News%20Reports/2003/reports-030.html)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMD...open&of=ENG-PSE (http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE151492002?open&of=ENG-PSE)

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0418-06.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/octob...ormchildren.htm (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/281005ringwormchildren.htm)

http://www.arc.org/C_Lines/CLArchive/story_web00_04.html

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2378

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/africa/09/02/durban.racism/index.html

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0999/9909019.html

http://www.metimes.com/print.php?StoryID=20060323-105647-8834r

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1738508,00.html

http://www.mossawacenter.org/en/reports/2004/06/040601.html

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0590/9005014.htm

http://www.adalah.org/eng/publications/violations.htm

I personally think that Israel is a corrupt state that stole the land of the Palestinians, oppressed the people of Palestine, and has been actively involved in many agressive and defensive wars on it's neighbours.

Any dissent about Israel is shouted down with words of the Holocaust. This dishonest explotation of the memory of the Holocaust is descipicable. I am disturbed of the huge Racism, Theocracy, and other values that Israel exists to express.

I also contend with it's very start. It's ridicolous to kick out people who have been there for hundreds of years to make way for a group of people yelling to have their way. Jews and Palestinians coexisted together for a long time, what the hell changed?

I can't blame Palestinian Arabs for rejecting the partition plan under UN General Assembly Resolution 181 in 1947, because on paper it was so inequitable.

The partition plan allocated about 56 percent (5,893 square miles) of the territory of Mandatory Palestine to the proposed Jewish state, even though Jewish corporate and individual landholdings throughout Palestine at the time totalled no more than 8.6 percent.

If those areas deemed unfit for cultivation (such as the Negev) are excluded, the Jewish state was still awarded roughly 25 percent of the total territory of Palestine; and in those areas awarded to the Jewish state, less than one-third of the land was under Jewish ownership. In none of the twelve sub-districts that were wholly or partially allocated to the Jewish state - Beersheba, Gaza, Hebron, Ramleh, Tulkarm, Jaffa, Haifa, Jenin, Nazareth, Beisan, Tiberias, Safad - did Jewish land ownership exceed 39 percent (the highest proportion being in Jaffa); the average was only 29 percent.

In terms of population, the split might not have seemed so inequitable: a sub-committee of UNSCOP (the UN Special Committee on Palestine) found in June-July 1947 that there were 1,237,332 Arabs (51 percent) and 608,225 Jews (49 percent) in Palestine. However, it's small wonder that Palestinian Arabs opposed the giving away by an unelected international body of more than half of what they saw as their country to people who owned less than one-tenth of it - 15 percent of whom had lived there since only the last ten years. Moreover, 45 percent (407,000) of the proposed Jewish state would be Arab; by contrast, only about 1.4 percent (10,000) of the proposed Arab state would be Jews.

The partition plan included proposals for economic union between the Arab and Jewish states. It had to, because it was recognised that partition would leave the Arabs considerably worse off. As the UNSCOP report to the UN General Asembly admitted: "In the case of the plan for the partition of Palestine recommended in this report, as well as in the case of all previous partition plans which have been suggested, it is the viability of the Arab State that is in doubt." UNSCOP estimates for 1947-1948 calculated that in the first year, partition would cost the Jewish state 3.54m Palestine pounds and the Arab state 7.76m. Under the Committee's recommendations, later built into Resolution 181, almost the whole of the citrus-growing area of Palestine - together with its revenue-earning export potential - would be given to the Jewish state.

The irony was that much of the money the proposed Arab state would lose under partition was Jewish money: as the Peel Commission report of 1937 put it,

"The Arab population shows a remarkable increase since 1920, and it has had some share in the increased prosperity of Palestine. Many Arab landowners have benefited from the sale of land and the profitable investment of the purchase money. The fellaheen are better off on the whole than they were in 1920. This Arab progress has been partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the National Home. In particular, the Arabs have benefited from social services which could not have been provided on the existing scale without the revenue obtained from the Jews."

This put the Palestinian Arabs in a Catch-22 situation: they could not afford to get rid of Jews in Palestine, but neither could they afford to let them have their own state.

Israel also poesses one of the most blatant disregard for property rights of almost any nation I've seen, of how it ignores Private Property Rights of both Palestinians and Jews, by choosing to force people out of their homes at their own will, and by refusing Arabs to own property in Israel. Don't forget that it's leeching off OUR tax money to pay for it's military.

More jews than here? They're welcome to 'em, why don't more jews migrate to their homeland I wonder. Why? Because they get the best of both worlds by staying here, that's why - plus they get more clout as a lobby group in Washington.

Noooo! Jewish Delis Are Disappearing! :(

Perhaps its a response to the inevitable arab victory-by-demographics.

Israel needs a lot more jews, and its jews need to have a lot more kids, if thye are to survive in the long-term as a jewish democracy.
I dare any Jew to use that as a pick up line. I would except for the fact I really don't want to get slapped the next time I try that on another Jewish woman.

"Hey baby, there are only 14,000,000 of us and there are over a billion Arabs who want to do nothing more than fight us. So let's try and defeat them by getting down and funky to increase our population"
*slap*

I thought you were an atheist.

Atheist Jews are definitely included in these counts.

Atheist Jews are definitely included in these counts.
Sorry, but an atheist is not a Jew. An Atheist can be a child of Israel (decending from Israel's 12 sons) but he isn't a Jew.

Sorry, but an atheist is not a Jew. An Atheist can be a child of Israel (decending from Israel's 12 sons) but he isn't a Jew.

Most totally agree.

An atheist is treated like a convert...because he drops the religion.

So he may be a descendant from the Hebrews...but thats it.

Sorry, but an atheist is not a Jew. An Atheist can be a child of Israel (decending from Israel's 12 sons) but he isn't a Jew.

Irrelevant. The point is that atheist Jews are included in these counts, so that NYC's post is perfectly legitimate.

Most totally agree.

Most Jews? Nonsense. Every denomination of Judaism disagrees with you.

1) Israel makes most of it's money on it's own reseving only a small % of aid.
2) Israel is giving back land to the Arabs.
3) Israel should relax immergration laws so other related groups such as Muslims and Christians can also retern to the Holy Land.
4) If anyone attacks Israel, Israel will nuke them out of existence.

Irrelevant. The point is that atheist Jews are included in these counts, so that NYC's post is perfectly legitimate.




Most Jews? Nonsense. Every denomination of Judaism disagrees with you.

I meant, "most totally agree" as in...."I most totally agree"....but anyway I dont get what denominations think...if you dont beleive in the religon/God or if you convert, you may have Hebrew ancestery but they are not Jewish.

I meant, "most totally agree" as in...."I most totally agree"....but anyway I dont get what denominations think...if you dont beleive in the religon/God or if you convert, you may have Hebrew ancestery but they are not Jewish.
amen, if anyone disagrees, point them to your sig. Every part of your sig is right, except we aren't many people. We all decend directly from Jacob (most of us are from the Benjamin and Judah tribes though)

This whole Palestine problem could have been avoided if Jews relized New York City was the new homeland.

if you dont beleive in the religon/God or if you convert, you may have Hebrew ancestery but they are not Jewish.

A position contrary to that very religion.

I also contend with it's very start. It's ridicolous to kick out people who have been there for hundreds of years to make way for a group of people yelling to have their way. Jews and Palestinians coexisted together for a long time, what the hell changed?

You call this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riots_in_Palestine_of_1920), or this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riots_in_Palestine_of_1929), or this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Uprising)peaceful coexistance?

The Jews immigrating to Israel are rich in the first place.

The Jews coming to Israel in the 40s (the majority of the early population) were not rich. They had to leave what little they had behind to escape concentration camps.

I'll give you a hint - people have been trying to do that for around 2000 years - no success yet.
Longer than that even. Those Asyrians and their silly little empire...

Dongara - The Jews immigrating to Israel are rich in the first place.

Theres a considerable number of Jewish Israelis unemployed etc.....

The Jews may have increased their population in the Middle East but that doesn't effect the fact that there are over a billion Muslims ready to fight them, and non of them care about your nukes - Arabs are used to being blown up, either by themselves or others

This whole Palestine problem could have been avoided if Jews relized New York City was the new homeland.
Reading this post has decreased my IQ a few points.

Why the hell can't we have Israel, it is a small sliver of land and the only place a Jew can live with his head up high.

Who cares? The whole region's a shithole.

Who cares? The whole region's a shithole.
Most of the region is, but through a century of hard work and redeeming the land, Israel has become one of the most beautiful nations on earth, and one of the most successful too.