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You know, I don't recall ever seeing you post on any subject unless you're talking shit about how evil Islam is. Either you're very limited in what you discuss (a self-confessed Crusader) or your someone's puppet.

Do a search, genius. Meanwhile, try getting some therapy, because you're in denial.

As far as being a "puppet", whose puppet are you?

As for "talking shit about how evil Islam is," I only need cite the words of the false prophet and his followers. They speak for themselves (not that you're listening).

Bukhari Hadith, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 794: Narrated Anas:
"Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die."

A so-called prophet who orders people to be mutilated, blinded and left without treatment to bleed to death. But that's just "talking shit about how evil Islam is."

“In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful” -- yeah, right.

Wake up. Know the enemy.

Uh-huh. In other words, you base it on idle speculation. He never said they would do it. You have no evidence they would. They don't appear to have the means to actually do anything. He appears to be trying to get people riled up in order to bolster his support. Same kind of things the US politicians do all the time. If a president could win by declaring that France is going to be bombed into glass there would be a candidate saying it right now, even if it would be political suicide to actually try and do it.
Consider this for a moment. What if Iran develops nuclear weapons and never detonates one in anger. Then they proceed to increase their use of terrorism safe in the knowledge that nobody will do anything about it due to their nuclear deterant.

Even if Iran never uses nucear weapons in anger, it can still use them to commit terrorism with impunity.

Consider this for a moment. What if Iran develops nuclear weapons and never detonates one in anger. Then they proceed to increase their use of terrorism safe in the knowledge that nobody will do anything about it due to their nuclear deterant.

Even if Iran never uses nucear weapons in anger, it can still use them to commit terrorism with impunity.
Uh-huh. Yes, I'm terrified. Let's bomb them. /sarcasm

Our best defense against Iran is education, not more deaths, more agression. We justify terrorism in our aggression against sovereign nations (no, not talking about Iraq). We have no right to require the entire world to conform to our wishes or to be met with various strongarm tactics. It makes us just as bad as terrorists.

Do a search, genius. Meanwhile, try getting some therapy, because you're in denial.

I don't care enough to do a search. Therapy? LOL.


As far as being a "puppet", whose puppet are you?

Irrelevant! This is my main account and I don't exhibit puppet-like troll behavior.

As for "talking shit about how evil Islam is," I only need cite the words of the false prophet and his followers. They speak for themselves (not that you're listening).

You're right, because I can read up on what you say on Stormfront. If I wanted. Or one of the thousands of sites by paranoid xeno's like you who rant and rave about The Enemy. Frankly, out of the two of us, I'm not the one who needs therapy.


Wake up. Know the enemy.

Right. People like you were saying the same thing about Jews not so long back. Different religion, same hate, same exortions to "wake up" to the dire threat you perceive.

Hip Hip Horray for Israel. I say lets start the hostilities. Tiem for the US to back Isreal and drop nukes on all opposition in the Middle east. Blood sucking leaches they are. Wipe them out before they become weapons capable.

Uh-huh. Yes, I'm terrified. Let's bomb them. /sarcasm

Our best defense against Iran is education, not more deaths, more agression. We justify terrorism in our aggression against sovereign nations (no, not talking about Iraq). We have no right to require the entire world to conform to our wishes or to be met with various strongarm tactics. It makes us just as bad as terrorists.
Look, I'm not saying we need to bomb them right away. There are other tactics, diplomatic and economic that can be used and there is time to use them, but I think it would be a stupid move to let them aquire nuclear weapons.

You're right, because I can read up on what you say on Stormfront. If I wanted. Or one of the thousands of sites by paranoid xeno's like you who rant and rave about The Enemy.

Ooh, there's that Nazi reference! Gee, took you long enough to bring out that worn-out bromide. When in doubt, or when confronted with irrefutable proof contrary to your position, just yell "Nazi".

Sorry, but my citation wasn't from Stormfront or any other Nazi site. In fact, it comes from the Islamic site http://www.witness-pioneer.org/hadeeth/

The fact that some posters on Stormfront or other Nazi sites also oppose Islamofascism is irrelevant to the issue. They're the broken clock that happens to be right twice a day.

So go ahead and stay in denial. Therapy would most likely be a waste on you anyway. Much like further responses to your inane posts would be a waste of my time.

Ooh, there's that Nazi reference! Gee, took you long enough to bring out that worn-out bromide. When in doubt, or when confronted with irrefutable proof contrary to your position, just yell "Nazi".

Oh, of course. "Islam is evil" is irrefutable proof? You can post as many quotes as out of context as you want - but you can never prove such a statement.

As for your similarity to nazis, well, that's just because you're angry and bigoted. I don't call anyone who makes me "doubt" (you don't) or proves me wrong (you haven't) a nazi, and in fact, I haven't called you a nazi either.


So go ahead and stay in denial. Therapy would most likely be a waste on you anyway. Much like further responses to your inane posts would be a waste of my time.

I'm pretty sure you've been butt-fucked by nazis before. It left a residue in more than one place, sugarplum.

Let me get this straight... your argument here runs:

It never happened.... and EVEN IF IT DID...

That was about where I gave up.

No, my argument was, it didnt happen as you described. And here's what did happen. So even if what you had described had happened the injustice was delt with.

actually, you do have to admit that islam is a screwed up religion. i mean... WTH??? when a muslim goes to heaven he gets 72 virgins? it takes a sick mind to think up that kind of thing. i do agree with new mittani on this. islam is screwed up bad.

actually, you do have to admit that islam is a screwed up religion. i mean... WTH??? when a muslim goes to heaven he gets 72 virgins? it takes a sick mind to think up that kind of thing. i do agree with new mittani on this. islam is screwed up bad.

And if you think that's textbook Qu'ran, then you'll have to accept everything Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Fred Phelps say as Biblical truth too.

So Iran threatens Israel if we attack Iran! Anyone else find that just a tad odd?

I don't know about you, but Ahmadinejad doesn't seem like the type of person to me that would call for the destruction of a country to a rally of supporters, then sit quitely by waiting for others to do it.

So - basically, your argument boils down to "I don't have any evidence, but he sure looks funny"?

Bring it on, my friend.

BTW: have you studied the Koran? How about the Hadith? Some of us have. Know your enemy.... Islam is in fact irredeemably evil.

And, there is the problem.

Not "Let's gain knowledge about the world"... which might be a purer motivation, but "Know your enemy".

You have an agenda to fill, my friend... you'll find evidence to fill it.

Simple. Israel needs it to guarantee it's existence. Iran's only use for it is to attack Israel.

Let's ignore for the moment that Iran's stated aim of 4% refinement is WAY below the 80% refinement needed for nuclear arms... don't buy into the Bush-regime claims that 'all nuclear refinement is equal'.

How can you SERIOUSLY claim that one middle-east country 'needs' NUCLEAR arms for 'defense'... but that another would ONLY use it for offense?

Methinks you are claiming 'special exception'.

Let's ignore for the moment that Iran's stated aim of 4% refinement is WAY below the 80% refinement needed for nuclear arms... don't buy into the Bush-regime claims that 'all nuclear refinement is equal'.

How can you SERIOUSLY claim that one middle-east country 'needs' NUCLEAR arms for 'defense'... but that another would ONLY use it for offense?

Methinks you are claiming 'special exception'.

Then why are they threatening to hide their nuclear program?

No, Palestinian militants expelled during the war in defense is not context for pre-war ideas that flew around in Zionism that Ben-Gurion ultimately rejected. You commit the fallacy of post hoc, ergo propter hoc. .

700,000 were expelled. How could entire populations of villages have been "militants"? All of Haifa? I think you're committing the fallacy of trying to take me for a fucking idiot, quite frankly.



Since there were no legal "owners" its absurd to say that the "owners" were expelled. Someone has to first have legal ownership of something to be an owner. No body of persons that called themselves "Palestinians" did..
a "palestinian" then theres your answer.
If a man owns the land, in his own name, and that man considers himself


Keep in mind, no Arabs were displaced at all by Jews before the War of Independence. Not only did the land not have real owners, it didn't even have people who claimed to be its owners. The only real "explusion" conflict arose after violent Arabs began attacking.

Jordan, Egypt etc. And yes, according to the British, the land did have owners - Arab owners. 94% of it. If the British "owned the land" why did they then ascribe Arab ownership of it in the 1946 survey of the Mandate on which the original UN partition was based?

Let's ignore for the moment that Iran's stated aim of 4% refinement is WAY below the 80% refinement needed for nuclear arms... don't buy into the Bush-regime claims that 'all nuclear refinement is equal'.

How can you SERIOUSLY claim that one middle-east country 'needs' NUCLEAR arms for 'defense'... but that another would ONLY use it for offense?

Methinks you are claiming 'special exception'.

The special exception might occur when a country has threatened to wipe an other of the map, then goes off to enrich uranium.

And yeah, Hitler only wanted the German parts of Czechslovakia.

Let's ignore for the moment that Iran's stated aim of 4% refinement is WAY below the 80% refinement needed for nuclear arms... don't buy into the Bush-regime claims that 'all nuclear refinement is equal'.

How can you SERIOUSLY claim that one middle-east country 'needs' NUCLEAR arms for 'defense'... but that another would ONLY use it for offense?

Methinks you are claiming 'special exception'.
Well other than Israel, how many middle eastern countries are surrounded by enemies, some of which advocate genocide?

That's just it they weren't. It wasnt as if Jews suddenly flocked to Israel in 1948. There was a DeFacto Israel there from the 1920's onwards. The Palestianians land was sold, legitamately and fairly to the Jews
.

Yet in 1946 was 94% Arab owned according to http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0887282113/103-6855685-8066263?n=283155



And even if they were forcably displaced, they were allowed to return. After the 1948 war the Isralie government passed a law that allowed Arabs who had lived in Israel to return if

- They became Isralie citizens
- They became peaceful, productive citizens
- They renounced viloence

And over 150,000 Arabs have taken up that offer. Its hardly Israel's fault if they chose not to.

O dear what crap........

Israel needs to know that the second they start hostilities, they're on their own--no more military or financial aid from the US. If they attack Iran, then you're looking at a regional war, and that's something that no one can handle. The US lived with MAD for decades--still does, to a smaller extent. Israel can handle it too.
Except unlike in the case of the Soviet Union, there is a very real chance that Iran would furnish nuclear weapons to terrorists.

Neither did Iran. And still doesn't.
They don't have any qualms about supporting terrorists, either.



I would certainly hold it against Isreal, and I'm absolutely sure that many, many others would be extremely pissed off too. You might not hold it against them, but I'm sure that everyone understands that killing millions, whatever their religion or ethnicity, or even which side of the war they're on, is utterly wrong.
Then you should hope and pray that Israel or others will act now, before Iran develops a nuclear weapons capability, and a nuclear exchange becomes inevitable.

Maybe we need to tell Israel that if they start a war with Iran, they're on their own. Period.

Personally I recognize that the land belongs to Jews because of the rule of law.

Then why do you not support the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem, as well as the removal of the settlements?


So even if what you had described had happened the injustice was delt with..

How?

The special exception might occur when a country has threatened to wipe an other of the map, then goes off to enrich uranium.

And yeah, Hitler only wanted the German parts of Czechslovakia.

Iran has yet to threaten to wipe Israel off the map, though.

And, as they said - they are planning on enriching Uranium for power production. Totally different grade.

Well other than Israel, how many middle eastern countries are surrounded by enemies, some of which advocate genocide?

The Kurds in Northern Iraq spring instantly to mind - having been targets of attacks from Iraq, Iran and Turkey.

Like I said - you are pleading special exception. There is only one 'people' in the middle east that has ever waged an 'anti-semitic' genocide... and that is the Biblical Israel, which carried out a war of annihilation against the semitic races of Caanan.

Busy day for Iran:

Looks like dissent in the ranks over whether Iran should hit Israel:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060503/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel_13;_ylt=AjHuh_iaXUDzKKzeC.PdUx5Sw60A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
I think this means the military will balk at an order to strike Israel.

The Arabs are opposed to Iran
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060503/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_and_the_arabs_1

Looks like the US and legitimate insurgents (word legitimate is used to seperate the real Iraqis from the foriegn terrorists trying to impose an Islamic Republic) now have common ground against Iran.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/02/AR2006050201666.html
If anything, an Iranian attack on Iraq would likely snuff out Iran's hope for an Iraqi civil war, as Iraqis unite against their non arab neighbor.


EDIT: I just remembered that even the Kurds are opposed to Iran. ha its not hard to see why too.

We don't jump when foreigners tell us to. If Israel wants us to do their bidding, they ought to be paying us tax money, or something.

I say nuke Iran and forget about it.

I say nuke Iran and forget about it.
DAMN RIGHT! But not because of a bunch of whining Israelis.

As an American citizen I would like to wish the Isrealis luck on their campaign against Tehran.


Also I'd like to say we need to get the hell out of that area as quickly as humanly possible.

My sentiments exactly.



:upyours: Israel.

I say nuke Iran and forget about it.

Nuke Iran and it'll be the collapse of global civilization set off.

I say nuke Iran and forget about it.

Only if you want Russia, China, India and Pakistan to warm up their missiles.

Nuke Iran and it'll be the collapse of global civilization set off.
Yeah? Let's try it and find out..

Yeah? Let's try it and find out..

Tee-hee! Aren't you cute! Some little punk wanting to nuke millions of innocent people. People like you should be taken out and shot. You're no better than the fucking terrorists.

Gauthier:"And if you think that's textbook Qu'ran, then you'll have to accept everything Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Fred Phelps say as Biblical truth too."

fact is, its not just what i said about that. evrything new mitanni has said, also points to a seriously screwed up religion. history channel has all kinds of shows about different religions, and islam does seem to be messed up.

also, yes lets nuke iran, or let israel do it. either way is fine with me. i dont like iran, specifically becuz they harbor terrorists and when they wer at war with iraq, they commissioned units of men carrying nothing but a koran to attack bunkers and pillboxes in mass banzai style charges. these only succeeded becuz thousands of them wood be mowed down by iraqi machine gun fire, with thousands more being sent in. lets just nuke iran off the map and be done with it. if iran wants to threaten some1, slap ther hands. reeeaaaaal hard.

Gauthier:"And if you think that's textbook Qu'ran, then you'll have to accept everything Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Fred Phelps say as Biblical truth too."

fact is, its not just what i said about that. evrything new mitanni has said, also points to a seriously screwed up religion. history channel has all kinds of shows about different religions, and islam does seem to be messed up.

also, yes lets nuke iran, or let israel do it. either way is fine with me. i dont like iran, specifically becuz they harbor terrorists and when they wer at war with iraq, they commissioned units of men carrying nothing but a koran to attack bunkers and pillboxes in mass banzai style charges. these only succeeded becuz thousands of them wood be mowed down by iraqi machine gun fire, with thousands more being sent in. lets just nuke iran off the map and be done with it. if iran wants to threaten some1, slap ther hands. reeeaaaaal hard.

I hate how people like you come to my country, leech off the tax system and don't even bother to learn our language.

Ahmadinejad may talk like a psycho, but it's the mullahs with the real power, and they like their position. And they know that an nuclear attack on Israel will result in large sections of their own country being turned into glass. The mullahs have been rational actors on the world stage for a couple of decades now--I don't see them lobbing a nuke at Israel, no matter what they say to keep the locals riled up.

This is probably the first time I actually agree with the Nazz on something. However there is that chance though that the mullahs will lose the grip and that wacko will launch on Israel. I would imagine that more than a few people in Iran are nervous at this time.

I hate how people like you come to my country, leech off the tax system and don't even bother to learn our language.


Hahaha nice.....

Ahmadinejad may talk like a psycho, but it's the mullahs with the real power, and they like their position. And they know that an nuclear attack on Israel will result in large sections of their own country being turned into glass. The mullahs have been rational actors on the world stage for a couple of decades now--I don't see them lobbing a nuke at Israel, no matter what they say to keep the locals riled up.

The problem would not be an ayotullah lobbing a nuke at Israel, the problem would be

1. increased belligerence by Iranian proxies Hizbollah and Hamas.

2. plausible deniability games by Iran.

Iran would be repeat of Pakistan. I remember the interview by AQKhan to Kuldip Nayar in 1987, where he said that Pakistan has the bomb and can deliver it "within minutes" to Bombay and Delhi. Until then it was all conventional wars and there was a standoff of sorts.

With the nuke bomb to protect against retaliation, Pakistan proceeded to start low-intensity proxy war with jihadis in Kashmir and khalistanis in Punjab which have taken more than 60,000 lives till now and counting.

All due to the ball-less GoI leadership not bombing Kahuta (where their enrichment facilities and labs were) when it was still possible to stop Pakis getting nukes.

If Iran does not let go of their proxies (which appears improbable as of now) and if it still wants to pursue the bomb, then I support Israel bombing the nuke facilities of Iran.

This is probably the first time I actually agree with the Nazz on something. However there is that chance though that the mullahs will lose the grip and that wacko will launch on Israel. I would imagine that more than a few people in Iran are nervous at this time.
According to the Council on Foriegn Relations it is the mullahs calling for Israel to be nuked. The most likely that won't happen is if the military refuses and or takes over the Iranian government.

Already their military is balking.

According to the Council on Foriegn Relations it is the mullahs calling for Israel to be nuked. The most likely that won't happen is if the military refuses and or takes over the Iranian government.

Already their military is balking.

Military Coup anyone?

Israel to US: "Take action against Iran, or we will!"

ME to Israel: "Have fun with that."

Military Coup anyone?
Why not? I think we should back it too. Military regimes are preferrable to terrorist regimes.

Forgive me if this point has alreaady been made...

Iran isn't going to nuke Israel. Why? because Israel is TINY. It's land mass is VERY VERY small. To use a nuke would be to damage the surrounding countries, all of whom get along famously with Iran. Think about it. Is Iran gonna risk taking out Palestinians? You KNOW they won't nuke Jerusalem.

... Unless they're even stupider than I'm giving them credit for...

Forgive me if this point has alreaady been made...

Iran isn't going to nuke Israel. Why? because Israel is TINY. It's land mass is VERY VERY small. To use a nuke would be to damage the surrounding countries, all of whom get along famously with Iran. Think about it. Is Iran gonna risk taking out Palestinians? You KNOW they won't nuke Jerusalem.

... Unless they're even stupider than I'm giving them credit for...
where'd you get that idea.

I've posted two links just a couple of posts ago showing just how the Persians and Arabs don't like each other.

Why not? I think we should back it too. Military regimes are preferrable to terrorist regimes.

If you back it, that regime will last all of two seconds before being overthrown by another people's revolution.

And back to square one you'd go.

If you back it, that regime will last all of two seconds before being overthrown by another people's revolution.

And back to square one you'd go.
And you know that for certain how?

Are you an Iran expert? Have you talked to Iranians? Most Iranians don't even like their government. They just put up with it cause it opresses them.

And you know that for certain how?

Looking at history, remember the little fellow the United States used to support..whatshisface... the Shah? What happened there again....


Are you an Iran expert? Have you talked to Iranians? Most Iranians don't even like their government. They just put up with it cause it opresses them.

Are you an Iran expert? Have you talked to Iranians?

I have talked to some Iranians. Most don't like the regime, but most dislike American intervention more. One said to me "Man, they're going to nuke my country"... and that was 18 months ago.

They just put up with it cause it opresses them.

Which is so different to every other country on the planet?

Forgive me if this point has alreaady been made...

Iran isn't going to nuke Israel. Why? because Israel is TINY. It's land mass is VERY VERY small. To use a nuke would be to damage the surrounding countries, all of whom get along famously with Iran. Think about it. Is Iran gonna risk taking out Palestinians? You KNOW they won't nuke Jerusalem.

... Unless they're even stupider than I'm giving them credit for...

Undoubtedly the terrorists who flew aeroplanes into the World Trade Centre and blew up backpacks on the Tube killed other muslems, too. Did they really care about that?

Unfortunately there's a huge amount of cities around Tel Aviv (map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Cia-is-map2.gif)) that is a good 40 miles from Jerusalem. Detonating a bomb up in the air (which produces the largest blast damage) will only damage buildings up to just over 7 mioles away, or there abouts. Detonating it close to the ground, which produces fallout, makes it even less.

There's a simple reason that they wouldn't nuke Israel: Israel, the US, and possibly UK/France would nuke them back, and twice as hard. They'll just continue to fight the proxy war in Palestine (Assuming Hamas etc has Iranian backing somewhere) and nothing'll change.

And we're stuck with the crappy status quo.

Israel DEMANDS we do something about this or they will do something about it? Fine.

I suggest firmly that they go ahead and do it. While I am sympathetic I am not inclined to think this would result in anything less than a disaster of spectacular proportions.

Most don't like the regime, but most dislike American intervention more. One said to me "Man, they're going to nuke my country"... and that was 18 months ago.

There's the crazy thing... that people are REALLY suckered by these charades. Iran has been worried about US expansionism for some time. The first thing I said after we invaded Iraq, is that Iran is just a matter of time.... the Powers That Be just got to work the right angle.

Like a 'wise man' once said: "Why of course, the people do not want war...but, after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked..."

- Reichsmarshall Hermann Goering, 1946.

There's the crazy thing... that people are REALLY suckered by these charades. Iran has been worried about US expansionism for some time. The first thing I said after we invaded Iraq, is that Iran is just a matter of time.... the Powers That Be just got to work the right angle.

Like a 'wise man' once said: "Why of course, the people do not want war...but, after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked..."

- Reichsmarshall Hermann Goering, 1946.
A quote from Hermann Goering ( certainly a highly reputable source! :rolleyes: ) doth not an American dictator make.

A quote from Hermann Goering ( certainly a highly reputable source! :rolleyes: ) doth not an American dictator make.

I didn't say it did - and, neither did Goering.

What Goering said was, even in a 'democracy', you can mould the will of your people by presenting them the spectre of a threat.

Is it somehow LESS true because Goering said it? I don't understand your logic. Goering was part of a 'machine' that has arguably been the MOST obvious propoganda generator of the last century... if not also the MOST effective.

Quoting Goering is not endorsing his political affiliations - it is appealing to his testimony as an 'expert witness'.

Seriously, Eutrusca - this current presidential regime has ALREADY used this trick one time, and we ALL fell for it to some extent, because we were willing to believe the threat was real.

Fool me once, shame on you.... fool me twice, shame on me.... no?

i honestly dont understand whats the big get up about tehrans nuclear program. it only has 200 centrifuges, while it needs THOUSANDS to make a bomb. also, we need to look at some statistics.

usa has over 10 000 nuclear warheads, while israel has over 200. iran MIGHT be PLANNING to create a SINGLE bomb between the years of 2010-2015.

Also, if anyone doesnt realise just how large a foreign aid grant is if it makes up 2% of ur GDP, u need to understand economics. When Israel was first founded, it was a poor country (like most new countries.) it suddenly became rich enough to be able to create, support, and maintain a large high-tech military, all while turning into a highly developed nation. This type of development is not seen anywhere, not even in dubai or china. It is impossible, unless you were recieving huge amounts of money (like say, US$3 billion per year,) which could be used to look after all defence spending (especially considering israels population between the 50s and the 80s), leaving your entire GDP for developing your country. that "small, 2% of gdp aid" is actually incredibly large. Most countries consider it a good economic year if their gdp grows by 2%.