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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4961734.stm

This sucks for my mom, as most of the people who cook in the kitchen are either illegal or are related to illegals, so most of them will be walking out, therefor no food will be produced for her to serve.

This is great for me, as it is obvious the silly little related-to-illegal kids in my school will walk out, in attempt to be "cool" and "poltikal" (misspelled on purpose). This means that the annoyance rate for me at my school will DROP considerably! Woo hoo!

This is great for me, as it is obvious the silly little related-to-illegal kids in my school will walk out, in attempt to be "cool" and "poltikal" (misspelled on purpose). This means that the annoyance rate for me at my school will DROP considerably! Woo hoo!
You should walk out too, go for icecream or something. If the weather is not good then just go home and play videogames.

This whole thing just seems hilarious. Millions of people that by law should not be there are about to come out into public eye en-masse in solidarity of that fact.

Only in America, eh? =p

I don't remember the crew of the Mayflower having a valid passport and visa

I don't remember the crew of the Mayflower having a valid passport and visa
They had smallpox.

Damn illegals.

I wonder if any attempt will be made to deport them.

I wonder if any attempt will be made to deport them.
:eek: If we do, then we'll be RACIST! :eek: :rolleyes:

I wonder if any attempt will be made to deport them.
Not when businesses start complaining about the loss of money from lack of labor.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4961734.stm

This sucks for my mom, as most of the people who cook in the kitchen are either illegal or are related to illegals, so most of them will be walking out, therefor no food will be produced for her to serve.

This is great for me, as it is obvious the silly little related-to-illegal kids in my school will walk out, in attempt to be "cool" and "poltikal" (misspelled on purpose). This means that the annoyance rate for me at my school will DROP considerably! Woo hoo!

I'm back in Herndon, Va, home to many a Salvadorean or Nicaraguan (they constitute the majority population in Herndon).

If they walk out, a lot of them will be walking out on their own businesses. Here, there's a mix of legal and illegals from the same countries - the legal ones own the businesses and the illegals work there.

It's almost lunchtime here. I'll let you know how lunch places looked in the center of Herndon.

Oh, and no marchers or protests in Herndon so far - on any of the other protest days.

Maybe it would be like protesting against themselves here.

This whole thing just seems hilarious. Millions of people that by law should not be there are about to come out into public eye en-masse in solidarity of that fact.

Only in America, eh? =p


if managers are on the ball, they'll fire all the illegals and hire real Americans.

The businesses won't complain, their customers will. Businesses will simply raise the prices for their goods or services to cover the cost of the increased labor overhead.

There are some in this country that have been saying that the American consumer has become spoiled with artificially lowered prices. Well, this is what they were hoping for maybe.

if managers are on the ball, they'll fire all the illegals and hire real Americans.

You miss the point - a lot of illegals are doing jobs that locals will not do at any reasonable wage.

I wonder if any attempt will be made to deport them.

Have fun trying to deport 12 million people.

Have even more fun filling the jobs that are lost because of it.

You miss the point - a lot of illegals are doing jobs that locals will not do at any reasonable wage.
Show me one industry that is 100% illegal immigrants.

if managers are on the ball, they'll fire all the illegals and hire real Americans.
What's wrong with fictitious Americans?

You miss the point - a lot of illegals are doing jobs that locals will not do at any reasonable wage.

how the hell do i put the big cheesy smile thing down here?

I tried it but it went at the top of my post, and you missed it, damn you!

hehe

Have fun trying to deport 12 million people.
OK. I'll just cross the atlantic ocean, get made a US citizen, get given a job where I can deport people, and then have fun trying to deport them. Good idea! :confused: :confused:

What's wrong with fictitious Americans?

what's wrong with fictitious Americans?

Nothing! Paul Bunyan, Jack Magorak, and Santa Claus are heroes!

hehe

I'm back in Herndon, Va, home to many a Salvadorean or Nicaraguan (they constitute the majority population in Herndon).

If they walk out, a lot of them will be walking out on their own businesses. Here, there's a mix of legal and illegals from the same countries - the legal ones own the businesses and the illegals work there.

It's almost lunchtime here. I'll let you know how lunch places looked in the center of Herndon.

Oh, and no marchers or protests in Herndon so far - on any of the other protest days.

Maybe it would be like protesting against themselves here.

Yeah Herndon. Represent! I live across the strees (literally) in Sterling. What you say is very true. It is very much a mixture and to protest would hurt them a lot.

what's wrong with fictitious Americans?

Nothing! Paul Bunyan, Jack Magorak, and Santa Claus are heroes!

hehe
I don't know about Santa Claus. For starters he's not born in the US and who knows his legal status. He also keeps his operations offshore and hires a bunch of exploited, semi-slave labour which he calls elves, but probably are children. And he sneaks into houses "carrying presents for the children." Yeah, right.

if managers are on the ball, they'll fire all the illegals and hire real Americans.

Alot of (what I think are) Central Americans work here in my office cleaning and cooking (for the cafeteria). Id like to see a "real" American that would do such a job, especially for minimum wage. The least I can do for someone from Mexico or El Salvador cleaning the toilets I use is say: Welcome to America.

OK. I'll just cross the atlantic ocean, get made a US citizen, get given a job where I can deport people, and then have fun trying to deport them. Good idea! :confused: :confused:

...okay?

This whole thing just seems hilarious. Millions of people that by law should not be there are about to come out into public eye en-masse in solidarity of that fact.

Only in America, eh? =p

What's hilarious is everyone in this thread assumes only illegal immigrants will be participating in the walk-out.

I hope that the US government deports 'em.

So I can laugh when all their lawns become overgrown and patchy, and they starve, and their houses fall into disrepair! BWAHAHA!

But seriously, the US needs all that cheap labour. The illegals do serve a purpose.

I think this will backfire, if it does anything at all. Nothing's going to happen on this issue, as much as some people want something to. Personally, I am in favor of increasing legal immigration, and tighening the borders otherwise. More legal immigration would undercut the illegal immigrants, and they would be forced to go back to their respective countries. That would shut them up pretty quick; these people want more immigration only if it benefits them. Of course, it is also the right thing to do.

If companies are forced to pay the same wage to illegal immigrants, then any incentive these companies would have had to hire illegal immigrants in the first place is effectively destroyed.

Source (http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi?p=1#CLUETRAIN) (warning: "bad" language)



...okay?
I stated that I wondered whether attempts would be made to deport them, and you replied as if I personally was trying to deport them. I never even stated what my stance was.

What's wrong with fictitious Americans?

Or artificial Americans? Like Johnny 5! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Number5.jpg)

Anyway, this all gets a resounding "Meh" from me. There aren't many immigrants where I live, and the only ones here run a fantastic restaurant down the road that I highly doubt will close. It's the last week before the university closes, and they'll want to get every penny from those students they can before everyone heads back to Detroit for the summer.

what's wrong with fictitious Americans?

Nothing! Paul Bunyan, Jack Magorak, and Santa Claus are heroes!

hehe

Santa Claus is Canadian. He wears red and white, he herds caribou, and the (magnetic) North Pole is somewhere in the vicinity of the Northwest Territories.

I hope that the US government deports 'em.

So I can laugh when all their lawns become overgrown and patchy, and they starve, and their houses fall into disrepair! BWAHAHA!

But seriously, the US needs all that cheap labour. The illegals do serve a purpose.

I dislike this fake society we live in. We rely on overseas child labor to make our shoes and clothes, we rely on illegal immigration to do most of our dirty jobs, we rely on middle-eastern immigration to drive cabs and work at convenience stores (most of these jobs are filled by ME immigrants, while I realize not ALL of them are, the grand majority are), and most of us drive a foreign car.

We can't do anything for ourselves, it makes me sick.

Santa Claus is Canadian. He wears red and white, he herds caribou, and the (magnetic) North Pole is somewhere in the vicinity of the Northwest Territories.
Santa is North Polian. He has his own sovreign country there for him and the elves. The reindeer are technically in Canada for legal reasons.

i hope the illegals boycott forever. they should move their protests back to whatever countries they came from.

i hope the illegals boycott forever. they should move their protests back to whatever countries they came from.

Apparently they're not the only ones who can't read English.

Interesting, I was curious on this whole Santa thing, so went and looked up his address.

Here's a few of what I found:

In Canada:
Santa Claus
North Pole, Canada
H0H 0H0

In the U.S.:
Santa Claus
One Candy Lane
North Pole, North Pole 12345

In the U.K.:
Santa Claus,
Reindeerland,
SAN TA1

In Australia:
Santa,
North Pole,
9999

In Finland:
Rovaniemi
FIN 96930 Napapiiri
Suomi

Apparantly the guy maintains multiple addresses

Show me one industry that is 100% illegal immigrants.


It doesn't matter if an industry is 100% illegal immigrant. A loss of about half your workforce can very easily shut down a business. Besides your invalid point made no sense to what you were replying to anyway.

It is very true that they are doing jobs that US citizens refuse to do (even when the pay is decent). I'm not talking about back breaking work either. I got offered a part-time job handing out product information in front of a walmart for $12/hr. The staffing people said they can't find anyone who is willign to do it even though their requirements are extreemely low. I am not lookign for work, but they got my contact info from a secret shopper thing that offers some odd jobs liek this as well.

Had some discussions with a few business owners in Herndon at lunch today. Apparently, no one has taken the day off, no one is protesting, and no businesses have been affected.

Like I said, most of the businesses in Herndon are owned by legal immigrants and most of their workers are illegals.

No effect here.

I went to Chipotle for lunch with my coworker and they had signs on the doors that said we should be patient because some of their workers decided to participate in the "day without Hispanics" and they might be short-staffed. We didn't have much of a wait because there were enough people there, and most of them were Latino.

I dunno!

Interesting, I was curious on this whole Santa thing, so went and looked up his address.

Here's a few of what I found:

In Canada:
Santa Claus
North Pole, Canada
H0H 0H0

In the U.S.:
Santa Claus
One Candy Lane
North Pole, North Pole 12345

In the U.K.:
Santa Claus,
Reindeerland,
SAN TA1

In Australia:
Santa,
North Pole,
9999

In Finland:
Rovaniemi
FIN 96930 Napapiiri
Suomi

Apparantly the guy maintains multiple addresses


However, he's actually a citizen of the Dutch Antilles for tax purposes.

Have fun trying to deport 12 million people.

Have even more fun filling the jobs that are lost because of it.

Make that around 20 mill I believe.

The illegals don't get the point, the new laws/measures being passed are meant to process the current illegals into a system of waiting for green cards and visas.

Not necessarily punish them.

Now, if illegals can't wait in line for a few years or learn some english like most of our grandparents or great grandparents did, I have no sympathy for them what so ever.

As for the protesting, this is not a question of racism or war they're protesting about, but staying in our country illegally. Doesn't make any sense, but they're entitled to demonstrate peacefully.

Now, if illegals can't wait in line for a few years

WTF. That's reasonable? And where's your sense of history anyway? My ancestors didn't have to wait in line for "a few years." Are you so accustomed to waiting at the DMV that you think that level of bureaucracy 's not only reasonable, but acceptable and anyone who doesn't accept it should, I dunno, die?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4961734.stm

This sucks for my mom, as most of the people who cook in the kitchen are either illegal or are related to illegals, so most of them will be walking out, therefor no food will be produced for her to serve.

This is great for me, as it is obvious the silly little related-to-illegal kids in my school will walk out, in attempt to be "cool" and "poltikal" (misspelled on purpose). This means that the annoyance rate for me at my school will DROP considerably! Woo hoo!

More than likely few illegal aliens will walk out on their jobs since the assclowns who insist on employing them can fire them. What we need to do is enforce the laws on the books and crack down on businesses that knowingly employ illegals.

WTF. That's reasonable? And where's your sense of history anyway? My ancestors didn't have to wait in line for "a few years." Are you so accustomed to waiting at the DMV that you think that level of bureaucracy 's not only reasonable, but acceptable and anyone who doesn't accept it should, I dunno, die? They may have been let into the nation but they weren't "Citizens" for years anyway.

what's wrong with fictitious Americans?

Nothing! Paul Bunyan, Jack Magorak, and Santa Claus are heroes!

hehe
Ficticious?! :eek: :( *devastated*

Allow me to put something out there. Illegal immigrants don't take local jobs, they create them. It wouldn't matter if the illegals were skilled professionals, they would still better the economy by creating jobs. Think about it. When Jose the illegal immigrant skips the US border, he finds himself in Houston. Once in houston, he gets a job which could have otherwise been staffed by a local. However, in the same process, he also creates a demand for goods and services from the city of Houston, thus boosting the local economy and creating jobs elsewhere. If America was to deport all 11mil illegals, they would open up 11million jobs for unemployed americans, also they would reduce the demand for goods and service by 11 million peoples-worth of goods and services (think about the transactions you incur in a day, in terms f accrual. Breakfast, transport, somewhere to sleep, clothes to wear, drinks, lunch, utilities...). This would destroy more jobs than they open up by leaving.

The only difference between an illegal immigrant working and a citizen working is that one pays taxes, and the other does not. Both stimulate the economy. Which would you prefer, illegal immigrants who don't pay tax, or these same immigrants paying tax? Legalise their prescence in USA now, great way to boost government revenue. Seriously though...

what's wrong with fictitious Americans?

Nothing! Paul Bunyan, Jack Magorak, and Santa Claus are heroes!

hehe

Since when is Santa Clause American? If he lives in any country, it's Canada or a Scandanavian place. You know, somewhere that's remotely close to the North Pole.

Father Christmas (a.k.a. Santa Claus) comes from Lapland. Don't you people know anything?

Father Christmas (a.k.a. Santa Claus) comes from Lapland. Don't you people know anything?
The Dutch think Santa lives in Spain, with several large black men.

http://www.twin-music.com/lyrics_file/christmas/humor/santa.html

The Dutch think Santa lives in Spain, with several large black men.
And the Americans think he lives on the ice in the north pole...

I don't remember the crew of the Mayflower having a valid passport and visa

and what recognized nation with attempted border control was it they were invading?

This Santa is a very shadowy character. Multiple personalities, several addresses, goes around crossing international borders with a sac full of who-knows-what, has diplomatic immunity. I wouldn't be surprised if he was smuggling drugs and weapons, and laundering money for the elf mafia.

This Santa is a very shadowy character. Multiple personalities, several addresses, goes around crossing international borders with a sac full of who-knows-what, has diplomatic immunity. I wouldn't be surprised if he was smuggling drugs and weapons, and laundering money for the elf mafia.

not to mention breaking and entering. Plus having a name that is an anagram of Satan, wears red, makes kids forget about the reason for Christmas by making the Holiday about material goods. :p

not to mention breaking and entering. Plus having a name that is an anagram of Satan, wears red,

Evil, no respect for private property, red....

SANTA IS A COMMIE!

not to mention breaking and entering. Plus having a name that is an anagram of Satan, wears red, makes kids forget about the reason for Christmas by making the Holiday about material goods. :p
Well, if we go by the Dutch idea of Santa, he's a mean guy who breaks into houses at night accompanied by several large black men, and if you're just a little bad, he beats your ass with a stick - and if you're really bad he kidnaps you and sells you into slavery in Spain.

Slaver, kidnapper, child abuser, etc.

I think I know why he doesn't go by that style of operation in America - he and his friends would get their asses shot off.

Well, if we go by the Dutch idea of Santa, he's a mean guy who breaks into houses at night accompanied by several large black men, and if you're just a little bad, he beats your ass with a stick - and if you're really bad he kidnaps you and sells you into slavery in Spain.

Slaver, kidnapper, child abuser, etc.

I think I know why he doesn't go by that style of operation in America - he and his friends would get their asses shot off.


He must have chosen Holland because they are all stoned and therefore too passive to fight back.

Protest is a good thing. This protest is a good thing.

The thing being protested is that Congress wants to call them felons. FELONS!

No more catch 'em and send 'em back, Congress wants it to be catch 'em, jail them for 5 years, then send 'em back. Crime? Trying to work to feed their kids. Yes, we must protect America from these dangerous felons.

I've seen a couple of lawn care workers around the neighborhood this afternoon and I sent them home. I told them what was up, showed them the papers, and told 'em to go home and not buy anything American today.

I, myself, in solidarity will not purchase any American product today (except of course the ongoing electricity and phone service I realise cannot be avoided) and, while I did go to my jury summons this morning (pre-emptively striken for being a peace-nik hippie, thank you), I will not work today. I'm also joining a protest march in Houston this evenin'.

Anyway, how would you like to be called a felon for looking for work, eh? Hopefully that bill will be killed in the Senate.

Protest is a good thing. This protest is a good thing.

The thing being protested is that Congress wants to call them felons. FELONS!

No more catch 'em and send 'em back, Congress wants it to be catch 'em, jail them for 5 years, then send 'em back. Crime? Trying to work to feed their kids. Yes, we must protect America from these dangerous felons.

I've seen a couple of lawn care workers around the neighborhood this afternoon and I sent them home. I told them what was up, showed them the papers, and told 'em to go home and not buy anything American today.

I, myself, in solidarity will not purchase any American product today (except of course the ongoing electricity and phone service I realise cannot be avoided) and, while I did go to my jury summons this morning (pre-emptively striken for being a peace-nik hippie, thank you), I will not work today. I'm also joining a protest march in Houston this evenin'.

Anyway, how would you like to be called a felon for looking for work, eh? Hopefully that bill will be killed in the Senate.
I know a couple of Russian girls working at the local Hooters. Would they also have been brought in for a felony if it had been passed? Or is it only brown skinned people that would be felons?

I know a couple of Russian girls working at the local Hooters. Would they also have been brought in for a felony if it had been passed? Or is it only brown skinned people that would be felons?

The law would say everyone, but it would only be enforced on the brown ones. The Russian girlies are safe.

The law would say everyone, but it would only be enforced on the brown ones. The Russian girlies are safe.
Oh good. What would we do with out good Russian Hooter Waitresses?

It's so ridiculous, isn't it?

Oh and check this out:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/04/19/racist-game-spreads-hate-over-immigration-debate/

For the racist who doesn't want to get up from the couch.

My drive to work today ruled! Knocked 15 minutes off of my drive and never fell below 50 MPH. :)

Not when businesses start complaining about the loss of money from lack of labor.

A one day walk out isn't going to hurt any business. No one will be hurt or shown anything on either side of the argument by this publicity stunt. People will just make up their work/spending during the next couple of days. No biggie. No real effect. If they want to be truly effective, they need to stage an extended boycott. A real boycott. I'm talking months. That would have an impact. But a one day thing does nothing but enflame passions a bit more on both sides. meh.

So far, I haven't been effected by it in any way. As usual for a monday, I was woken up by the landscaping crew doing their thing. I've seen no change in traffic paterns, or less crowded parking lots. I think that will be true of most of us in "middle America." Those in big cities may see some minor disruption (mostly those in minority enclaves), but that is about all.

Protests rarely acomplish much. They just make the protestors feel like they are doing something. Direct action is needed for any real change to happen. Real change requires real work.

Meh, let them protest. I'm divided on the issue. I think it ironic though that those that are here illegally are somewhat afraid that they'll be caught and jailed/deported if they go to the protests. I don't know, seems kinda like poetic irony if they did get arrested at one, since it seems like the best place to catch them. :rolleyes:


I do, however, think its a stupid idea for students to walk out on school for the day in protest. It seems like all they are hurting is themselves by denying themselves an opportunity to learn something that day. And yes, I know about the public school system in which the school is paid for attendance, but that too seems like a shot in the foot (less money for the school = crappier books, rooms, faculty, etc.)

It doesn't matter if an industry is 100% illegal immigrant. A loss of about half your workforce can very easily shut down a business. Besides your invalid point made no sense to what you were replying to anyway.

It is very true that they are doing jobs that US citizens refuse to do (even when the pay is decent). I'm not talking about back breaking work either. I got offered a part-time job handing out product information in front of a walmart for $12/hr. The staffing people said they can't find anyone who is willign to do it even though their requirements are extreemely low. I am not lookign for work, but they got my contact info from a secret shopper thing that offers some odd jobs liek this as well.
No, my point isn't invalid... you simply won't accept facts when hit in the face with them.

There are no industries that are 100% illegal immigrant manned. There are no industries that are 100% immigrant of any flavor manned.

Therefor there are no "jobs that US citizens refuse to do" because there are US citizens filling those jobs.

That is a lie that is being spread but can't stand up to the facts.

Protest is a good thing. This protest is a good thing.

The thing being protested is that Congress wants to call them felons. FELONS!

No more catch 'em and send 'em back, Congress wants it to be catch 'em, jail them for 5 years, then send 'em back. Crime? Trying to work to feed their kids. Yes, we must protect America from these dangerous felons.

I've seen a couple of lawn care workers around the neighborhood this afternoon and I sent them home. I told them what was up, showed them the papers, and told 'em to go home and not buy anything American today.

I, myself, in solidarity will not purchase any American product today (except of course the ongoing electricity and phone service I realise cannot be avoided) and, while I did go to my jury summons this morning (pre-emptively striken for being a peace-nik hippie, thank you), I will not work today. I'm also joining a protest march in Houston this evenin'.

Anyway, how would you like to be called a felon for looking for work, eh? Hopefully that bill will be killed in the Senate.
This protest has a great possibility to do more harm than good. You also have are skewing some facts inorder to portray Americans as evil.

Their crime isn't trying to work to feed their kids. Their crime is crossing the border illegally. Simple as that.

Why don't you direct your energies to solving the real problem in the first place? Why isn't there massive protests to fix the rampant corruption and class warfare in Mexico?
If Mexico were to fix it's own social/economic problems, this whole immigration issue would be moot. But no, since Mexico isn't the evil USA, whatever happens in it's borders is ok by you.

It seems that the boycott has had a huge economic impact: Story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060501/ap_on_bi_ge/immigration_business_3;_ylt=ArGhPo04xV5uTGPUNyjB9yFQuk0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)

I live in Philadelphia. If I did not read about this....I would have never knew it happened . Thats what effect it had .

If your here and your working hard and contibuting to our society we need to find a way to KEEP you. But the rule of law must exist for us to continue as the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA..not the land of chaos . Put the employers of illegals in jail and the illegals will find ways to be legal ..otherwise ...no job.... no reason... to come here....unless its amnesty you seek or you are up to NO GOOD .

You need not be a rocket scientist to figure it out ..


So whens the next parade ?

It seems that the boycott has had a huge economic impact: http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Immigration
On the down side, that might suggest that having people you pay much less than normal wages is a thing to be encouraged.

It took my grandparents 14 years to get their citizenships. You want to know why people immigrate illegaly, its because of things like that, 14 years. I agree, illegal immigration is just that, it is illegal and it should be stopped but what other option do these people have? How many people have 14 years to wait? My grandparents were lucky, they only had two daughters to support, how many of these people have whole families? 4, 5, 6 kids? Illegal immigration is wrong, but you have to give these people some kind of realistic option to do it legally. Most of these people are not bad people, granted there are bound to be some bad apples and criminals among them but there are plenty of the same among the American populace and among any other group of people in this world. if you don't want them to immigrate illegally, them give them a legal option that is actually realistic for most of these people, because not all of them have 14 years to wait.

There is not a single American citizen who has posted on this thread who is not part of an immigrant family. America is truly a nation of immigrants, whether your family immigrated a decade ago or two hundred years ago. But the difference between when immigrants poured in from Europe and now with immigrants pouring in from South and Central America is that back then there was no 14 year waiting time, you bought a ticket and boarded a ship, you never had to ask for a visa or anything of the sort. All you had to do was buy a ticket, and hope that you were healthy enough to pass inspections and then...welcome to America. So maybe you can say your families didn't immigrate illegally and your families are better, but that isn't because your families were more honest, or more hardworking, its because your families didn't have to deal with all the rules and redtape that surounds immigration now.

I am against illegal immigration, but I am for is making legal immigration easier, and making it easier to be a guest worker in America. Give these people a legal option that doesn't require them to wait 14 or more years.

It seems that the boycott has had a huge economic impact: http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Immigration
Cool (Just a note you may want to link to the article rather then the general immigration section ... cause I am sure it will change with new news)

Cool (Just a note you may want to link to the article rather then the general immigration section ... cause I am sure it will change with new news)


whoops - good point and done!

On the down side, that might suggest that having people you pay much less than normal wages is a thing to be encouraged.

Well hopefully people will realize that that isn't the case, and instead, that what this does suggest is that immigration is a good thing and that we should facilitate legal immigration.

It shoud be clear that if we help the bulk of current illegal immigrants become legal, that they would make more money and not only pay taxes but also have more purchasing power.

It took my grandparents 14 years to get their citizenships. You want to know why people immigrate illegaly, its because of things like that, 14 years. I agree, illegal immigration is just that, it is illegal and it should be stopped but what other option do these people have? How many people have 14 years to wait? My grandparents were lucky, they only had two daughters to support, how many of these people have whole families? 4, 5, 6 kids? Illegal immigration is wrong, but you have to give these people some kind of realistic option to do it legally. Most of these people are not bad people, granted there are bound to be some bad apples and criminals among them but there are plenty of the same among the American populace and among any other group of people in this world. if you don't want them to immigrate illegally, them give them a legal option that is actually realistic for most of these people, because not all of them have 14 years to wait.

There is not a single American citizen who has posted on this thread who is not part of an immigrant family. America is truly a nation of immigrants, whether your family immigrated a decade ago or two hundred years ago. But the difference between when immigrants poured in from Europe and now with immigrants pouring in from South and Central America is that back then there was no 14 year waiting time, you bought a ticket and boarded a ship, you never had to ask for a visa or anything of the sort. All you had to do was buy a ticket, and hope that you were healthy enough to pass inspections and then...welcome to America. So maybe you can say your families didn't immigrate illegally and your families are better, but that isn't because your families were more honest, or more hardworking, its because your families didn't have to deal with all the rules and redtape that surounds immigration now.

I am against illegal immigration, but I am for is making legal immigration easier, and making it easier to be a guest worker in America. Give these people a legal option that doesn't require them to wait 14 or more years.

Well said!:cool:

It shoud be clear that if we help the bulk of current illegal immigrants become legal, that they would make more money and not only pay taxes but also have more purchasing power.

Thus helping the economy as they use that money and PP to buy goods in American stores, pay rent, buy food exc exc.

Well hopefully people will realize that that isn't the case, and instead, that what this does suggest is that immigration is a good thing and that we should facilitate legal immigration.

It shoud be clear that if we help the bulk of current illegal immigrants become legal, that they would make more money and not only pay taxes but also have more purchasing power.
Again, you (the general you) can't seem to understand the difference. No rational person is saying that immigration isn't a good thing. Quite the contrary. I, and the vast majority of those who opposed todays protests, welcome immigration and immigrants.
We are opposed to illegal immigration. There is a huge difference.

We can even accept "helping the bulk of current illegal immigrants become legal" given a few caveats. Like secure the border. The Reagan amnesty is an example of what can happen when you go amnesty without border security. What was 3-5 million illegal immigrants turned into 10-20 illegal immigrants.

The Reagan amnesty is an example of what can happen when you go amnesty without border security. What was 3-5 million illegal immigrants turned into 10-20 illegal immigrants.
Your cause and effect leaves much to be desired, like proof.

If illegal immigrants are going to have a day to show us how much we need them, they should also have another day where they dont commit any crimes or piss anyone off. its only fair we get both sides of the coin.

Well said!:cool:

Thankyou

If illegal immigrants are going to have a day to show us how much we need them, they should also have another day where they dont commit any crimes or piss anyone off. its only fair we get both sides of the coin.
And what would that acomplish?

If illegal immigrants are going to have a day to show us how much we need them, they should also have another day where they dont commit any crimes or piss anyone off. its only fair we get both sides of the coin.

Because American, or in your case English, citizens don't commit any crimes and never ever piss anyone off being the model citizens they are.

That was an extremely ignorant statement.

If illegal immigrants are going to have a day to show us how much we need them, they should also have another day where they dont commit any crimes or piss anyone off. its only fair we get both sides of the coin.
Only if we can have a day where natural born citizens do the same.

If illegal immigrants are going to have a day to show us how much we need them, they should also have another day where they dont commit any crimes or piss anyone off. its only fair we get both sides of the coin.

We could start by having a day where citizens and legal residents also refrain from committing crimes or pissing people off!

Hey, why just one day? How about a few. Like, 365 or so.

i like what was said by a fellow legal mexican which he stated "Illigal immigrants cannot demand for rights in a country they are not even legal citizens to!" Personally this is just stupid, i mean it was funny to hear that when they 'walked out' it was supposed to effect the economy when in reality, it did nothing to it at all, and the best part is that thanks to this the goverment is becoming fed up and starting to make laws that will ultimately outcast the latino race! Think of it, a perfect nation where the only language is English, and if you speak a different language you are not considered a citizen! I mean, i know someone who came from Costa Rica and he taught himself english so he wouldn't have to be outcasted for not knowing anything besides spanish, and best of all he is able to speak english than his family!

It may seem racist but personally i do not care if Mexicans are the only ones willing to do labor, that doesn't mean that we should give them anything in return, they could persue better jobs if they wern't so pathetic and have to take anything they can get then ruin the economy by sending the money they earn to family members in mexico. If you have a problem with your goverment then stand aginst it, don't go to a different country and stand aginst their goverment! I mean, in reality all you are doing is just making yourselfs a prime target for being discriminated no matter how many people like mexican food. The only reason that mexicans are welcome in america is because they are such pathetic excuses for human life that they have no idea that most of them are not getting a minimum wage because their cost of living is cheaper than americans because we have more needs then what mexicans only want. If the latino race just accepted that Mexico is crap and try to do something about it we would't have to turn on our TV to see a bunch of illigal/legal idiots walking down the street protesting about something they have no right to even complain about, they are basicly pretending like they can come here and convert this nation into a new Mexico, which thankfully our goverment is not supid enough to fall into so we just make more and more laws (thank god one is in California) to force immigrents to learn English to work in this country. Keep your forgin language at home and when in public speak the language that the world will one day ultimately covert to; Enlgish.

i like what was said by a fellow legal mexican which he stated "Illigal immigrants cannot demand for rights in a country they are not even legal citizens to!" Personally this is just stupid, i mean it was funny to hear that when they 'walked out' it was supposed to effect the economy when in reality, it did nothing to it at all, and the best part is that thanks to this the goverment is becoming fed up and starting to make laws that will ultimately outcast the latino race! Think of it, a perfect nation where the only language is English, and if you speak a different language you are not considered a citizen! I mean, i know someone who came from Costa Rica and he taught himself english so he wouldn't have to be outcasted for not knowing anything besides spanish, and best of all he is able to speak english than his family!

It may seem racist but personally i do not care if Mexicans are the only ones willing to do labor, that doesn't mean that we should give them anything in return, they could persue better jobs if they wern't so pathetic and have to take anything they can get then ruin the economy by sending the money they earn to family members in mexico. If you have a problem with your goverment then stand aginst it, don't go to a different country and stand aginst their goverment! I mean, in reality all you are doing is just making yourselfs a prime target for being discriminated no matter how many people like mexican food. The only reason that mexicans are welcome in america is because they are such pathetic excuses for human life that they have no idea that most of them are not getting a minimum wage because their cost of living is cheaper than americans because we have more needs then what mexicans only want. If the latino race just accepted that Mexico is crap and try to do something about it we would't have to turn on our TV to see a bunch of illigal/legal idiots walking down the street protesting about something they have no right to even complain about, they are basicly pretending like they can come here and convert this nation into a new Mexico, which thankfully our goverment is not supid enough to fall into so we just make more and more laws (thank god one is in California) to force immigrents to learn English to work in this country. Keep your forgin language at home and when in public speak the language that the world will one day ultimately covert to; Enlgish.


It had no impact

First of all it only happened today it will be a few days till weeks to see the impact it had fully

But even today was enough ... read some of the articles posted, over 14000 Mc donalds either shut or on reduced staff because of this.

Some of the biggest agercultural and beef producers had to shut a large percentage of their plants down due to lack of staff

I just think you did not bother to read

Personally this is just stupid, i mean it was funny to hear that when they 'walked out' it was supposed to effect the economy when in reality, it did nothing to it at all

By DAVE CARPENTER, AP Business Writer
Mon May 1, 4:32 PM ET



Illegal immigrants made their point Monday: Without them, Americans would pay higher prices and a lot of work wouldn't get done.

As nationwide demonstrations thinned the work force in businesses from meat-packing plants to construction sites to behind the counter at McDonald's, economists said there can be no dispute within the context of the contentious immigration issue that the group wields significant clout in the U.S. economy.

"If illegal immigration came to a standstill, it would disrupt the economy," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "It would lead to higher prices for many goods and services, and some things literally would not get done. It would be a major adjustment for our economy, for sure."

Another economist, Diane Swonk, said it would be an economic mistake to restrict entry and work rights when revising immigration policy.

"Given the obvious hardship of having illegal aliens flooding in, we also know they are critical to the functioning of the U.S. economy," said Swonk, chief economist at Chicago-based Mesirow Financial. "To be turning our backs on people who want to work is kind of silly in an environment where you've got tight labor markets and we're getting older and need younger people to work."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060501/ap_on_bi_ge/immigration_business_3;_ylt=Ar0bEzW8RFXTvgx1Glrp4ThQuk0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Did nothing, huh?

Keep your forgin language at home and when in public speak the language that the world will one day ultimately covert to; Enlgish.
Let me see...
1. The US has no offical language; there is a reason for that, pray remember it.
2. For someone touting the need for English only, you sure cannot spell it. Funny that.
3. There are currently about 1 billion English speakers in the world. There are also 1 billion Chinese speakers. English is the lingua franka ONLY due to the clout of the US and the former status of the British Empire. Before that, it was French. The lingua franka changes, English will lose its place sooner or later.

Keep your forgin language at home and when in public speak the language that the world will one day ultimately covert to; Enlgish.
Erm... I think some "natives" should be the first to start learning English -- Note the correct spelling, punctuation, capitalization (or capitalisation, if you want it in proper English) and general good grammar that this member of the inferior race has applied to the language of the masters.

i like what was said by a fellow legal mexican which he stated "Illigal immigrants cannot demand for rights in a country they are not even legal citizens to!" Personally this is just stupid, i mean it was funny to hear that when they 'walked out' it was supposed to effect the economy when in reality, it did nothing to it at all, and the best part is that thanks to this the goverment is becoming fed up and starting to make laws that will ultimately outcast the latino race! Think of it, a perfect nation where the only language is English, and if you speak a different language you are not considered a citizen! I mean, i know someone who came from Costa Rica and he taught himself english so he wouldn't have to be outcasted for not knowing anything besides spanish, and best of all he is able to speak english than his family!

It may seem racist but personally i do not care if Mexicans are the only ones willing to do labor, that doesn't mean that we should give them anything in return, they could persue better jobs if they wern't so pathetic and have to take anything they can get then ruin the economy by sending the money they earn to family members in mexico. If you have a problem with your goverment then stand aginst it, don't go to a different country and stand aginst their goverment! I mean, in reality all you are doing is just making yourselfs a prime target for being discriminated no matter how many people like mexican food. The only reason that mexicans are welcome in america is because they are such pathetic excuses for human life that they have no idea that most of them are not getting a minimum wage because their cost of living is cheaper than americans because we have more needs then what mexicans only want. If the latino race just accepted that Mexico is crap and try to do something about it we would't have to turn on our TV to see a bunch of illigal/legal idiots walking down the street protesting about something they have no right to even complain about, they are basicly pretending like they can come here and convert this nation into a new Mexico, which thankfully our goverment is not supid enough to fall into so we just make more and more laws (thank god one is in California) to force immigrents to learn English to work in this country. Keep your forgin language at home and when in public speak the language that the world will one day ultimately covert to; Enlgish.


First of all I just want to correct a few mistakes, and no I'm not talking about that horrid grammer especially while you so loudly proclaimed how everyone should be good at English...but moving on. Mexicans ARE NOT Latino/a's. Latinos come from Latin America, NOT Mexico.

Next I want to point out this sentence you wrote:
"If you have a problem with your goverment then stand aginst it, don't go to a different country and stand aginst their goverment!"

I take it your white and your family immigrated from Europe, probaly a while ago. Hmmm....well the Pilgrims immigrated to America because they had a problem with their government and they didn't want to stand against it...so did countless of other White Europeans who came here, people who were probally related to you.

Moving on to this sentence:

"If the latino race just accepted that Mexico is crap and try to do something about it we would't have to turn on our TV to see a bunch of illigal/legal idiots walking down the street protesting about something they have no right to even complain about"

Just like those dirty Irish Catholics(No offense, I have many Irish friends). If they just accepted how crappy Ireland was, jeez, thinking they have a right to vote and protest.


Finally I want to adress this sentence which sums up alot of what you said:
"The only reason that mexicans are welcome in america is because they are such pathetic excuses for human life"

While I am not Mexican, I am half Hispanic, my mother immigrated to this country from the Dominican Republic when she was ten with her parents. While you said Mexicans and not Dominicans, I am assuming from the flow of your post that you just grouped all Hispanic peoples into one giants Mexican family, kind of like me grouping the Irish, Russians, Italians, Germans and Spaniards together, I mean they all come from Europe and they're all white right? But anyway, being the pathetic excuse for life that my mother is, she somehow managed to put herself through college and then medical school and is somehow now a fulltime practicing doctor, and has been for aalmost 20 years, while at the same time caring for 5 children(Me being the oldest:) ). But thats what all pathetic "Mexican" people do.


Anyways, many of the things you've said about the Mexicans were said about the Irish and Italians a century ago, but look at them now. I wouldn't be suprised if you had Irish or Italian in you.

Yeah. There weren't any illegals or people related to illegals at my school today. *does the happy dance* Stupidity rates lowered considerably.

3. There are currently about 1 billion English speakers in the world. There are also 1 billion Chinese speakers. English is the lingua franka ONLY due to the clout of the US and the former status of the British Empire. Before that, it was French. The lingua franka changes, English will lose its place sooner or later.

Interestingly enough, the number of English speakers actually went down a tiny bit last year, while Chinese is now the fastest growing language in America.

Erm... I think some "natives" should be the first to start learning English -- Note the correct spelling, punctuation, capitalization (or capitalisation, if you want it in proper English) and general good grammar that this member of the inferior race has applied to the language of the masters.

If by "proper" you mean "British", as if the British way of spelling (or any way for that matter) is inherently superior. Languages are not static. They evolve constantly.

and what recognized nation with attempted border control was it they were invading?
Because a nation needs to be recognised to have their borders respected now?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060501/ap_on_bi_ge/immigration_business_3;_ylt=Ar0bEzW8RFXTvgx1Glrp4ThQuk0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Did nothing, huh?

Viva Mexico!!

w00t!

*prepares for Cinco de Mayo*

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Did nothing, huh?


Nothing happened in Herndon, a town which is about 80 percent Salvadorean and Nicaraguan. Half of the people are illegals - the other half are legal.

Not one person took off work in Herndon, not one person protested, not one business in Herndon reported any people taking off of work. No marchers, nothing.

Yeah. There weren't any illegals or people related to illegals at my school today. *does the happy dance* Stupidity rates lowered considerably.
That or people who were left to "tabulate" the rates were too incompetent to get it right

Nothing happened in Herndon, a town which is about 80 percent Salvadorean and Nicaraguan. Half of the people are illegals - the other half are legal.

Not one person took off work in Herndon, not one person protested, not one business in Herndon reported any people taking off of work. No marchers, nothing.
And of course one town in Virginia represents N for the whole of the US.

Frankly, I didn't miss them. Any businesses that shut down should be busted by the INS. Obviously, they are admitting to breaking the law by hiring illegals.

And incase any one asks....I think anyone with a college diploma should automatically get a green card. Then if a business offers 3 times the minimum wage and still can't hire anyone, they should be able to legally bring in legal immigrants. But if we are importing just to keep the wages down for the poorest of the poor, that's a sad commentary on the "Christian" political party.

Frankly, I didn't miss them. Any businesses that shut down should be busted by the INS. Obviously, they are admitting to breaking the law by hiring illegals.


No, that isn't obvious because many immigrants that took the day off were legal. They were doing so to support immigration reform for their families.

No, that isn't obvious because many immigrants that took the day off were legal. They were doing so to support immigration reform for their families.

and then there were those of us that were born here, and those of us that are third or fourth or fifth generation that also went out in solidarity (and more than a few indigenous were out too - there was a group marching alongside of us).

something on the order of 5% of the population of il went out and marched in the streets of chicago yesterday.

And of course one town in Virginia represents N for the whole of the US.

Not saying that. But plenty of people seem to think that every illegal can or should have taken off work and protested.

Here in Herndon, things seem to be working quite well. Most illegals are employed by recently minted legals from the same countries - not the "whitey exploiting the beaner" thing that seems to be going on in Southern California.

Maybe there's more than one way to solve a problem, and we don't have one in Herndon.

:eek: If we do, then we'll be RACIST! :eek: :rolleyes:
Oh no we will be racict. Tough shit. They shouldn't be in America. They are stupid to bring attention to themselves so serve them right if they get kicked out.