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I know this is not news to most of you, but I feel compelled to explain this to the small minority who don't believe or aren't sure about evolution. Now, I'm no biologist (although I got an A in high school biology, I'm so proud:) ) but I'm gonna explain this through common sense. Here we go.

Why do we have things like AIDS and Avian Bird Flu? These are all relatively new diseases, which came about as a result of virus mutations (evolution) which helped those viruses comandeer their host's DNA with more efficiency(host has little protection) and this trait greatly helped those germs mass reproduce. You could say that god created these diseases, but isn't he/she/it supposed to be benevelont? Why would he/she/it do that if he/she/it was benevolent? Trust me, it's all biological.

You named two viruses.

The Avian Flu and AIDS are caused by viruses, not bacteria.

The Avian Flu and AIDS are caused by viruses, not bacteria.
Thanks. I changed bacteria to virus.

You named two virii.

The plural of "virus" is "viruses." It has no Latin plural, as it is uncountable in Latin.

Also, only nouns that end in "-ius" get "-ii" as a plural in Latin, so even if Latin had a plural for "virus," it would most definitely not be "virii."

Ah, despite the obvious flaw (mabye you shouldn't have gotten that 'A' eh?) god created those to kill off those who he wanted killed- because he couldn't jsut strike them down with lighting, that'd be uncool.

Fixed. And I should point out that viruses do not extract food.

Thanks. I changed bacteria to virus.

Viruses don't "extract food." They infect cells and commandeer their cellular DNA and protein synthesis apparatus, and force the cell to create more virions.

The plural of "virus" is "viruses." It has no Latin plural, as it is uncountable in Latin.

Also, only nouns that end in "-ius" get "-ii" as a plural in Latin, so even if Latin had a plural for "virus," it would most definitely not be "virii."
Thanks for the latin lesson

Ah, despite the obvious flaw (mabye you shouldn't have gotten that 'A' eh?) god created those to kill off those who he wanted killed- because he couldn't jsut strike them down with lighting, that'd be uncool.
Dang, I should've thought of that:)

Viruses don't "extract food." They infect cells and commandeer their cellular DNA and protein synthesis apparata, and force the cell to create more virions.
Oh sure, pick me apart piece by piece:)

Oh sure, pick me apart piece by piece:)

It's all (Molecular) Biology 101.

It's all (Molecular) Biology 101.
I was in general biology. Thanks for the tips, though.

I was in general biology. Thanks for the tips, though.

And mistook HIV and H5N1 for bacteria? Okay...

This isn't really the best of agruements against God's existance. It's hard to agrue against that, because no one could possibly know. But if you are going to throw down on God's existance you should use more evidence than the fact that viruses change and mutate. You are basically just creating a strawman for creationists if you don't make a very good agruement.

And mistook HIV and H5N1 for bacteria? Okay...
It was two years ago and we didn't really get into viruses so much.

This isn't really the best of agruements against God's existance. It's hard to agrue against that, because no one could possibly know. But if you are going to throw down on God's existance you should use more evidence than the fact that viruses change and mutate. You are basically just creating a strawman for creationists if you don't make a very good agruement.
I wasn't trying to disprove god, I was trying to prove evolution, which is already proven as far as I'm concerned.

I was in general biology. Thanks for the tips, though.

Where did you go to school? When I took general bio (required for freshmen) it included a few chapters on viruses and bacteria. Kind of important for any level of biology (bacteria make up an entire domain now a days and viruses are the closest something non-living comes to living)

It was two years ago and we didn't really get into viruses so much.

But not knowing that the flu and, well, AIDS (!!!), for crying out loud, are caused by viruses? How did you evade safe sex propaganda? Sex ed? It is mind-boggling how someone in this day and age doesn't know what HIV is.

I wasn't trying to disprove god, I was trying to prove evolution, which is already proven as far as I'm concerned.

Sounds like you were:
You could say that god created these diseases, but isn't he/she/it supposed to be benevelont? Why would he/she/it do that if he/she/it was benevolent?
And you haven't really given much info to prove evolution anyway. Even with all the information you could possibly write about evolution, I don't think it has been proven. That's just my opinion though, you are free to have your opinion that it is now fact.

But not knowing that the flu and, well, AIDS (!!!), for crying out loud, are caused by viruses? How did you evade safe sex propaganda? Sex ed? It is mind-boggling how someone in this day and age doesn't know what HIV is.
I knew it, I just had a brain fart is all.

But not knowing that the flu and, well, AIDS (!!!), for crying out loud, are caused by viruses? How did you evade safe sex propaganda? Sex ed? It is mind-boggling how someone in this day and age doesn't know what HIV is.
Fass, not everyone is as well educated (or a product of a fine educational system) as you are. A bit of a break may be in order...

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/bergstrom_01

Enjoy! :)

I know this is not news to most of you, but I feel compelled to explain this to the small minority who don't believe or aren't sure about evolution. Now, I'm no biologist (although I got an A in high school biology, I'm so proud:) ) but I'm gonna explain this through common sense. Here we go.

Why do we have things like AIDS and Avian Bird Flu? These are all relatively new diseases, which came about as a result of virus mutations (evolution) which helped those viruses comandeer their host's DNA with more efficiency(host has little protection) and this trait greatly helped those germs mass reproduce. You could say that god created these diseases, but isn't he/she/it supposed to be benevelont? Why would he/she/it do that if he/she/it was benevolent? Trust me, it's all biological.


HAHAHAHA!!!!! HA!!

You got to be kidding me!, SERIOUSLY! you could have at least added in some bull about bones looking the same. BUT THIS is just sad man! When Mutations occure they do not gain information, it is a loss of information!! Even if it could some how "gain" information, explain to me this, How does non-living Gas turn into a living thing! Theres some crazy "Biology" for you!!!! sounds more like a science fiction novel, writen by some kid on crack. This is just sad...

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HAHAHAHA!!!!! HA!!

You got to be kidding me!, SERIOUSLY! you could have at least added in some bull about bones looking the same. BUT THIS is just sad man! When Mutations occure they do not gain information, it is a loss of information!! Even if it could some how "gain" information, explain to me this, How does non-living Gas turn into a living thing! Theres some crazy "Biology" for you!!!! sounds more like a science fiction novel, writen by some kid on crack. This is just sad...

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Oh boy.

Take a course in genetics (or evolution) please, kthx.

HAHAHAHA!!!!! HA!!

You got to be kidding me!, SERIOUSLY! you could have at least added in some bull about bones looking the same. BUT THIS is just sad man! When Mutations occure they do not gain information, it is a loss of information!! Even if it could some how "gain" information, explain to me this, How does non-living Gas turn into a living thing! Theres some crazy "Biology" for you!!!! sounds more like a science fiction novel, writen by some kid on crack. This is just sad...

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Ever here of Stanley Miller or do you have that bible shoved so far up your ass you don't know what the hell is out there?

http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html

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HAHAHAHA!!!!! HA!!

You got to be kidding me!, SERIOUSLY! you could have at least added in some bull about bones looking the same. BUT THIS is just sad man! When Mutations occure they do not gain information, it is a loss of information!! Even if it could some how "gain" information, explain to me this, How does non-living Gas turn into a living thing! Theres some crazy "Biology" for you!!!! sounds more like a science fiction novel, writen by some kid on crack. This is just sad...

Thanks

You seem to be one to laugh, as you are very uninformed. A mutation is a change in the genetic structure, it can be an addition, subtraction, change in sequence, or anything of that nature. And I hardly see how bones in hundreds of animals being almost identical in basic structure as being "bull" as you call it.

I'll explain to you how the idea of the beginnings of life (although I am not an expert, I know a fair amount):
There have been tests done in what is thought to be like the atmosphere of Earth before the first life and it showed that under certain circumstances unliving matter could be combined in such a way that would create living matter, the first cells. This has been proven, and if Earth was made up of what we think it was then the theory holds very firmly.

You seem to be one to laugh, as you are very uninformed. A mutation is a change in the genetic structure, it can be an addition, subtraction, change in sequence, or anything of that nature. And I hardly see how bones in hundreds of animals being almost identical in basic structure as being "bull" as you call it.

I'll explain to you how the idea of the beginnings of life (although I am not an expert, I know a fair amount):
There have been tests done in what is thought to be like the atmosphere of Earth before the first life and it showed that under certain circumstances unliving matter could be combined in such a way that would create living matter, the first cells. This has been proven, and if Earth was made up of what we think it was then the theory holds very firmly.

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It used to work, but since the rise of human society, it's been failing. People at a disadvantage simply aren't being wiped out anymore. Retarded or lazy people live off of welfare, people with allergies are living past infancy thanks to modern healthcare, near (ie me) and farsighted people aren't walking over cliffs anymore, ugly people can find good jobs because people these days only care about how smart you are, etc, etc...

All of these traits are becoming more and more wide spread. The human race is going to be screwed up.

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Sorry, I started posting mine before yours was posted. Heh, same thing anyway.

HE he. Yep, though you forgot some types of lizrds whose legs evolved away so that they became snakes, and mammals, and other types of fossils and life larger than cells... I sitll believe in evolution. Though I'm Christian.

And as far as I know about evolution, if you take the steps of evolution and somehow fit them in with the week of creation, it starts to make sense.

But as for the dinosaurs dying off before humans got there... Land animals were there before humans... and if it really was a "day", the God must've gotten tired of th dinos eating eachother after a few "hours". :D

God gets bored... that is why everything evolves.

Not such a stupid 14 year old Christian, now am I?:D

If you are interested in getting an excellent education in Evolution, Darwin's Origin of Species and Intelligent Design, then read the trasncripts from the Kitzmiller vrs Dover School District trial transcripts.

http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf

It's a loooooong read, but it's free. And then you'll know something of what your talking about.

Just for accuracy; Evolution IS NOT a "belief", it is an established scientific theory with a huge body of supporting evidence from many sciences that give it validity.

To paraphrase from Exodus, "It IS."

Not such a stupid 14 year old Christian, now am I?:D
Do you want me to be honest?

Honest answer (warning possible offensiveness):
Yes you are, very much so. That is a moronic and simply desperate idea you made up to try to validate an invalid position