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This is a thread discussing and debating what is the BEST retro game! Any game made before 1993 (give or take) can be considered retro.

I'm going to have to go with the Quest For Glory series. Classic action, good story lines, good puzzles, and I love the mixed in comedy. Especially the Three Stooges parody in the first one.

I would say Puzzle Bobble and Final Fantasy VI but I checked it and they are from 1994, so I'll say Final Fantasy V and Sonic, I know, I'm not very original :P

Crash 'N the Boys Street Challenge for the NES.

The original Master of Orion was released in 1993, so that's what my vote goes for.

I think the best retro game is probably seeing who can spit the furthest.

Atari Combat, but Dobbsy's is good too.

Football?

Computer game - EOB or Elite (http://www.mobygames.com/game/elite)

I'll say Wolfenstein 3D.

New Zealand Story! Woo!

In case you don't know what it's about:
It's basically a platform game, where you go round as a kiwi (yep, the bird), with various different weapons (cherrybombs, bow n arrow, some sort of laser, some sort of hash pipe...that's what it looks like, anyway...etc), and you have to go through 20 different levels rescuing your kiwi friends that were kidnapped from the zoo by a walrus.

What do you mean it sounds stupid?

Three simple words:
word number one: Super
word number two: Mario
word number three: Bros.

Then there's Metroid and the Legend of Zelda. Good times. Good times.

original Legend of Zelda, but SMB and Castlevania 1-3 are contenders

Chrono Trigger. Sweet game. I still play it.

I would say Puzzle Bobble and Final Fantasy VI but I checked it and they are from 1994, so I'll say Final Fantasy V and Sonic, I know, I'm not very original :P

Could it be that you mean "Bubble Bobble"?

I'd say Dani Bunten's M.U.L.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.U.L.E.) is one of the best. Will Wright dedicated The Sims to her memory.

Commander Keen!

*Dopefished*

Actually, my personal favourite pre-94 is Final Fantasy 5. I just keep going back to it. Though the glorious Space Invaders does deserve a mention.

The Sonic the Hedgehog series.

Monopoly?

1942.

One of the original top-down plane shooters.

1942.

One of the original top-down plane shooters.
How about 1492, where you must conquer the New World and avoid contracting Siphyllus?

Though hardly a retro game, it is made with an RPG maker programmed in DOS and runnable on any DOS or Windows P.C., and is in a retro style.

http://www.rpgcreations.com/jadepd/

It's practically a professional game. Extremely high quality. Few games of this caliber are made with this engine, which is a pity.

I don't play anything made before 1996.

1942.

One of the original top-down plane shooters.
Ah, the quarters I fed into that machine.

I don't play anything made before 1996.
Then you, good sir, are missing out.

Probably made way after 1993 (too tired to fin out) but Marathon... Marathon 2 if we're pushing it chronologically.

Failing that Tetris or Pacman.

Kissy Cats. Where losing is winning. ;)




Oh, you mean computer games?

Then you, good sir, are missing out.
no i'm not. all that stuff sucks when you compare it to something as great as oblivian.

no i'm not. all that stuff sucks when you compare it to something as great as oblivian.
...okay, I'm not going to win here. You're obviously one of those "OOOOOOOH shiny graphics!" people who can't stand a sprite game.

...okay, I'm not going to win here. You're obviously one of those "OOOOOOOH shiny graphics!" people who can't stand a sprite game.
no, sir. its all about gameplay.

...okay, I'm not going to win here. You're obviously one of those "OOOOOOOH shiny graphics!" people who can't stand a sprite game.

Hey be fair, Oblivion (note spelling btw) is frankly sensual - in more ways than just the graphics. It's all-round awesomeness.

But even so, to cast aside something based on its time-period is plain dumb.

no, sir. its all about gameplay.
Well in that case you should try playing some of those games. You'd be surprised, no doubt.

Mooseica: Of that I am aware. I haven't had a chance to play it yet, which annoys me. =/

I don't think there was any retro stuff with free gamplay like in oblivion.

I don't think there was any retro stuff with free gamplay like in oblivion.
Elder Scrolls: Arena. Take that. Don't forget about Quest For Glory 1/2/3 either. Plenty of open gameplay there.

EDIT: 4/5 QFG came out later. But they still had excellent open-endedness and could be considered retro.

PC game, Pool of Radiance (http://www.gamebanshee.com/poolofradiance/).

Arcade game, Raiden (http://www.klov.com/R/Raiden.html).

Pirates and civilization and the great North and South

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Say hi to the best game EVER!

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Say hi to the best game EVER!

Oh no! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/explode.gif

Good one. My all-time favorite is Loom, though. And pretty much everything Lucasfilm put out (pre Indy5 and SMI3).

1942 on the C64, a classic.

How about M.U.L.E.? There's a real classic if you need one.

Wolfpack for DOS. Panzer General I as well.

Wing Commander, especially the really old stuff (I+II & III)

Worms

StarControl II (or how it's called now: The Urquan Masters)

Rampage! :D

Pirates and civilization and the great North and South
Yes. Listen to that!!!

What about Civilisation?


Who has not played that all through the night after just promising themselves 'a couple more turns..."!

EDIT: I appear to have missed the fact it was posted before...

Could it be that you mean "Bubble Bobble"?

I'd say Dani Bunten's M.U.L.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.U.L.E.) is one of the best. Will Wright dedicated The Sims to her memory.
Wow. And there I was wondering whether anyone knows M.U.L.E. (I just posted without reading other posts) and there you are!
Nicely done :D

Ohhhhhhh Cannon Fodder.


Mainly cause when the Demo came on one disc, it was actually the whole game and editing out one line of script meant you could play the whole damn thing :D

What about Civilisation?


Who has not played that all through the night after just promising themselves 'a couple more turns..."!
OMG - and then it's morning and it's only one more enemy to go and you got nukes and the birds are singing outside and you have to make the decision either nuke'em or go to sleep at 07:00...

Actually, one of the reasons I'm still running Win98 SE on my computer is that other systems don't necessarily support the old games *nods*.

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Say hi to the best game EVER!
LEMMINGS!

Mainly cause when the Demo came on one disc, it was actually the whole game and editing out one line of script meant you could play the whole damn thing :D

The 'demo' for Steel Panthers was like that: it was basically just the entire game as far as it had been developed. The only reason to actually buy the product was to get a version which didn't crash quite so often.

LEMMINGS!


Well done, you get a cookie... :p

OMG - and then it's morning and it's only one more enemy to go and you got nukes and the birds are singing outside and you have to make the decision either nuke'em or go to sleep at 07:00...

Actually, one of the reasons I'm still running Win98 SE on my computer is that other systems don't necessarily support the old games *nods*.


Yeah, I've got a lap top running win 98... I've even got a copy of Civ with network game capabilities.

OMG that game is so feckin good. There have been a couple of LAN parties which lasted for days with that game. Like the football manager lan parties too.


Oh, and always nuke em. The adrenaline rush from beating your foe will get you through the day :D

UFO : Enemy Unknown (a.k.a X-COM : UFO Defence) No doubt about it, I play it to this day.

Kellarly is right Lemmings is pretty cool, and it does had a Sadist feel to it giving you the option to send them to their doom but Pirates and Pacman have to be up there.

Ehh, there's a lot. Most of the suggestions I would have made have already been mentioned.

But i'll throw Elite and the Ultima series into the mix. :p

How about 1492, where you must conquer the New World and avoid contracting Siphyllus?

LOL :D

Kellarly is right...

Thank you...in the sig it goes...:D

The slickest, most cinematographic game ever, Another World.

Doom! Pixelated violence at it's best.

Civilization, dangit! I prefer the games that are in their "middle age" though - the retro crowd doesn't love them yet, and the "shiny grfx!!! lol" people also spurn them. Civ II (Gold Ed, not that stupid Test of Time pretender), AOE II, Sim City 2000, Red Alert 2, Baldur's Gate I+II (anyone seeing a pattern?) - the games where people were pushing the capabilities of 2d to the outer limits. I don't begin on shooters until Halo for PC, which is fast becoming "old."

Wolfenstein 3d. Which I played when I was six. Yay for killing Nazi zombie Hitlers!

Wolfenstein 3d. Which I played when I was six. Yay for killing Nazi zombie Hitlers!

But Wolfenstein 3d wasn't actually 3D, it's successor Return to Castle Wolfstein was. :p

The slickest, most cinematographic game ever, Another World.

Eric Chahi has recently re-released this game in a high-resolution version.

Check here. (http://www.anotherworld.fr/anotherworld_uk/index.htm)

Doom! Pixelated violence at it's best.
Yeah, doom for me too. I* love it. The bullet was a pixel, the monsters were 10 pixels, and the gun was, well, pixels!
I really love the face at the bottom of the screen that cringes when you're hurt.

But Wolfenstein 3d wasn't actually 3D, it's successor Return to Castle Wolfstein was. :p
It was as 3d as Doom...

My favorite retro game was Auto Duel on the Commodore 64. Great story. A shooter game with good strategy and story line.

Eric Chahi has recently re-released this game in a high-resolution version.

Check here. (http://www.anotherworld.fr/anotherworld_uk/index.htm)

Awesome! I really liked that game.

http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/Pool_of_Radiance.jpg
Pool of Radiance

http://www.fallout.ru/wasteland/cover-sm.jpg
Wasteland

http://www.worldvillage.com/wv/gamezone/images/scrnshot/advciv1.jpg
Advanced Civilization

http://www.playright.dk/covers/civilization_ami_eu.jpg
Civilization I

http://archive.gamespy.com/halloffame/september01/archon/1s.jpg
Archon

Wasteland


Oooh, Wasteland was cool, although I never finished it.

Eric Chahi has recently re-released this game in a high-resolution version.

Check here. (http://www.anotherworld.fr/anotherworld_uk/index.htm)
*dribbles
I don't know if I played that, but I played Flashback (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?id=1351) for eight hours once. The pink levels made my eyes... Ergh :s

Also, mostly mentioned before: Carrier Command (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?id=176), Eye of the Beholder, Hired Guns (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?id=512), Sonic series, Lemmings, Elite (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?gameid=365), Civ... So many...

Oooh, Wasteland was cool, although I never finished it.

Yeah... chuckle. I've finished it at least 30 times.
BTW, if you ever go back to it and want to win easily: start the game and make a bee line for the junkyard village. You'll get hurt a lot, but you should walk out of there with some armor & assault rifles. ;)

:p www.bootleggers.us:p

Yeah... chuckle. I've finished it at least 30 times.
BTW, if you ever go back to it and want to win easily: start the game and make a bee line for the junkyard village. You'll get hurt a lot, but you should walk out of there with some armor & assault rifles. ;)

Hmm. I should give it another go. It was kind-of sidelined in favour of the Ultima games, and I never really went back to it.

Easy, Pacman rules!

Hmm. I should give it another go. It was kind-of sidelined in favour of the Ultima games, and I never really went back to it.

Another "cheat" is to make 4 characters, then move all the gear to two of them and dismiss those two. Sell the extra stuff that you won't need (canteens, rope, whatever). Save the ammo. Repeat with the next two characters. In about a half hour, you now have double gear (and starting cash).

Eric Chahi has recently re-released this game in a high-resolution version.

Check here. (http://www.anotherworld.fr/anotherworld_uk/index.htm)
Tell me if it's good enough to where I should waste my time downloading it. If it is, I'll try it. If it isn't, I won't.

For all the Civ-ers out there, I have CIV III. I have to ask, HOW DO YOU DO IT? Also, I never seem to be able to advance past the AI, no matter how much gold I put into scientific production, no matter how many civies I turn to science producers, the AI always seems to be ahead of me in technology! Explain please! Also, is it a good thing or a bad thing to mass cities? I always thought it was a bad thing, and decided to make massive cities instead of a massive amount of small ones. Also, is it a good thing or a bad thing to be a militaristic power? I always tended to stay neutral, but build up a massive force to defend my cities. Umm... Yeah. That's what I want to know.

For all the Civ-ers out there, I have CIV III. I have to ask, HOW DO YOU DO IT? Also, I never seem to be able to advance past the AI, no matter how much gold I put into scientific production, no matter how many civies I turn to science producers, the AI always seems to be ahead of me in technology! Explain please! Also, is it a good thing or a bad thing to mass cities? I always thought it was a bad thing, and decided to make massive cities instead of a massive amount of small ones. Also, is it a good thing or a bad thing to be a militaristic power? I always tended to stay neutral, but build up a massive force to defend my cities. Umm... Yeah. That's what I want to know.

My 10 Civ3 tips:
1)Don't put all you money in science. Every 10 turns or so (and esp after a Revolution!) min/max your cash to the most gold income while keeping science at the cheapest turn rate.

2)Put all the science advances and wonders in one city off the bat, preferably the capital or next to it. That one city will account for 25-50% of your science eventually.

3) On turn #1, set your science for Republic, and change gov't as soon as possible. Later, do the same with Democracy.

4) If at all possible, eradicate another neighboring civ before 1 AD.

5) Some civs are easier to play than others. The Persians and Germans are solid choices, as the Immortals and Panzers usually both last quite some time. The Americans & Brits are less so, as the F15 and Man of War are less common and also don't produce leaders in battle since they are not land units.
The Russians are VERY hard, as they do NOT get a culture bonus. That makes taking land except by conquest almost impossible.

6) You MUST build at least one wonder per age, lest you end up culturally poor.

7) Don't build your capital on a coast if possible. The best thing to do is to make it inland on a river, and build cities around it. If it's on a coast, you lose much of your good production/low corruption area.

8) There are times you need to trade techs to keep the peace and advance yourself. Keep your sciences on a path or two, then trade around on occasion. Be sure to get as much as possible (maps, gold, workers, whatever) with each trade. If possible, NEVER trade your maps. Always trade at the END of your turn. That way you can sell a tech to as many civs as possible.

9) On cities: Always keep at least one unit in each city. Railroad connect all your cities to each other. Build airports so you can airlift to far away "advance cities".
Unless it's the last city of a civ or has a wonder, always raze it. It takes too much to pacify a city, and it may revert back at any time if that civ still exists.

10) In moutainous or hilly terrain, build a number of paratroops and drop them into the area and fortify. The AI will waste TONS of units attacking them. Roll up with your tanks on a flank and smash them.

Bonus: When you get a leader, create an army of matching elite troops (say three Elite Immortals or whatever) and attack. This will get you the Military Tradition, which allows you to build armies once you build the wonder. The Pentagon lets you add a 4th unit to an army. Having a half dozen Elite Panzer or Modern Armor armies in the field will not only make taking cities easier, but will also keep others from attacking you.

...sorry, I know this is a bit off topic.

three-way tie: GORF for Commodore 64, Mega Man 3 for Nintendo, and Super Scope Six for SNES.

My 10 Civ3 tips:
1)Don't put all you money in science. Every 10 turns or so (and esp after a Revolution!) min/max your cash to the most gold income while keeping science at the cheapest turn rate.

2)Put all the science advances and wonders in one city off the bat, preferably the capital or next to it. That one city will account for 25-50% of your science eventually.

3) On turn #1, set your science for Republic, and change gov't as soon as possible. Later, do the same with Democracy.

4) If at all possible, eradicate another neighboring civ before 1 AD.

5) Some civs are easier to play than others. The Persians and Germans are solid choices, as the Immortals and Panzers usually both last quite some time. The Americans & Brits are less so, as the F15 and Man of War are less common and also don't produce leaders in battle since they are not land units.
The Russians are VERY hard, as they do NOT get a culture bonus. That makes taking land except by conquest almost impossible.

6) You MUST build at least one wonder per age, lest you end up culturally poor.

7) Don't build your capital on a coast if possible. The best thing to do is to make it inland on a river, and build cities around it. If it's on a coast, you lose much of your good production/low corruption area.

8) There are times you need to trade techs to keep the peace and advance yourself. Keep your sciences on a path or two, then trade around on occasion. Be sure to get as much as possible (maps, gold, workers, whatever) with each trade. If possible, NEVER trade your maps. Always trade at the END of your turn. That way you can sell a tech to as many civs as possible.

9) On cities: Always keep at least one unit in each city. Railroad connect all your cities to each other. Build airports so you can airlift to far away "advance cities".

10) In moutainous or hilly terrain, build a number of paratroops and drop them into the area and fortify. The AI will waste TONS of units attacking them. Roll up with your tanks on a flank and smash them.

...sorry, I know this is a bit off topic.
The thing is, I've never gotten past like, half of the technology of the industrial age, because apparently, the game will end in a tie if no one has done any of the winning things by like, 2050 A.D. or somewhere around there.

I do build my capital relatively far away from the coast. But of course, it all depends on where my first settler starts. Sometimes he ends up in a flood plain, sometimes in a jungle.

Also, I do mass all of my wonders in my capital, unless it's a sea side wonder, in which case I build it all in my "sea-side capital", which is also where I build my Forbidden palace. And believe me, I get at LEAST three wonders per age.

But if I attack someone, don't they tend to decide to start a military alliance with someone else and beat the crap out of me? Also, will getting rid of an enemy increase the fear of the others of me?

definetly GALAGA........

The Chaos Engine. absolutely awesome game. shame it came out not long before doom or more people would appreciate it.

I sympathise with the guy posting regarding civ3. that game is stupid. I loved civ2 though, and the original. civ4 is way better than 3.

The thing is, I've never gotten past like, half of the technology of the industrial age, because apparently, the game will end in a tie if no one has done any of the winning things by like, 2050 A.D. or somewhere around there.

I do build my capital relatively far away from the coast. But of course, it all depends on where my first settler starts. Sometimes he ends up in a flood plain, sometimes in a jungle.

Also, I do mass all of my wonders in my capital, unless it's a sea side wonder, in which case I build it all in my "sea-side capital", which is also where I build my Forbidden palace. And believe me, I get at LEAST three wonders per age.

But if I attack someone, don't they tend to decide to start a military alliance with someone else and beat the crap out of me? Also, will getting rid of an enemy increase the fear of the others of me?

What government are you in? You should be able to get tanks by the 1890s or so in a low level game if you're in a Republic and min/max your science to cash ratio.

Do you build lots of cities? You need them. In general, you should let them overlap 2-4 squares and have eight to a dozen before 1 AD.

Good re: wonders, but you should split them up a bit: put all the trades in one city, the sciences in another and the productions in a third. These two other cities should be near your capital to keep the corruption low.
Personally, I like to build my Forbidden Palace as far away as possible, perhaps on another continent. :)

Yes, elimination of a civ gets you respect, but also fear. I usually try to bump off the other civs weakest to strongest (figuring in geography). If you can make a treaty with the #2 or #3 power (assuming you're in 1st), you can safely go warring and take the smaller civs out. Be sure to have defensive units and settlers massed on the border (preferably in a nearby city) and ready to go, along with builders to build your RR into your new territory!

What government are you in? You should be able to get tanks by the 1890s or so in a low level game if you're in a Republic and min/max your science to cash ratio.

Do you build lots of cities? You need them. In general, you should let them overlap 2-4 squares and have eight to a dozen before 1 AD.

Good re: wonders, but you should split them up a bit: put all the trades in one city, the sciences in another and the productions in a third. These two other cities should be near your capital to keep the corruption low.
Personally, I like to build my Forbidden Palace as far away as possible, perhaps on another continent. :)

Yes, elimination of a civ gets you respect, but also fear. I usually try to bump off the other civs weakest to strongest (figuring in geography). If you can make a treaty with the #2 or #3 power (assuming you're in 1st), you can safely go warring and take the smaller civs out. Be sure to have defensive units and settlers massed on the border (preferably in a nearby city) and ready to go, along with builders to build your RR into your new territory!
I usually go monarchy, or is that a crap government?

I have at least nine cities by 1 AD. But usually no more or less than that.

Ok. I'll try being militaristic.

Speedball 2. The number of joysticks that ended up in the bin after playing that game was ridiculous!

Metal Slug.

Civilization, for the win.

Honorable mentions:
Super Mario Bros., Maniac Mansion, Railroad Tycoon Deluxe, Chrono Trigger, Sim City 2000, The Legend of Zelda, ExciteBike, The Secret of Mana.

Do you build lots of cities? You need them. In general, you should let them overlap 2-4 squares and have eight to a dozen before 1 AD. I'd say have at least 20 by that point.

http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/


For those who love Lemmings.

Is SEGA Genesis before 1994? If so, I'll vote for Star Control. Strategy, tactics and combat. Always a good combination.

The original SimCity.

Marathon, if it qualifies.

Intellivision greats like Sub Hunt, Super Pro Football and Basketball, Microsurgeon, Truckin', D & D: Treasure of Tarmin, Discs of Tron, Utopia (a pre-Civilization strategic world game that set me up perfectly for Civilization and it's ilk), and many others.

Fuck the Atari 2600.

Arcade classics like Battlezone, Star Trek, Galaga, Tempest, Qix, Elevator Action, Tron, Pole Position, Ms. Pac-Man, and the darkened, neon-filled arcades I spent time in playing. *sigh* Childhood is so idyllic.

http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/


For those who love Lemmings.
Lemmings! I forgot about that game. Worms, too.

http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/


For those who love Lemmings.
You have absolutely made my day.

Wow. Nobody has mentioned Street Fighter II, one of the greatest arcade games ever.

Now, there's never going to be a "best" game, but Street Fighter II is impossible to put out of anyone's memory. Back in '92 and '93, Street Fighter was king. And it had every right to be.

Wow. Nobody has mentioned Street Fighter II, one of the greatest arcade games ever.

Now, there's never going to be a "best" game, but Street Fighter II is impossible to put out of anyone's memory. Back in '92 and '93, Street Fighter was king. And it had every right to be.

No it didn't. Street Fighter, along with all of the fighting games of that era, involved no strategy or intelligence whatsoever. All you had to know was which incomprehensibly arcane series of buttons to press and when. That's it. Same goes for all that Mortal Kombat mastubating. It wasn't fighting, it was Simon with graphics.

Tell me if it's good enough to where I should waste my time downloading it. If it is, I'll try it. If it isn't, I won't.

It's a 28 MB demo and it's very short. I forgot how much they want for the full version.

It's a 28 MB demo and it's very short. I forgot how much they want for the full version.
Crap! Demo? I downloaded it too...

No it didn't. Street Fighter, along with all of the fighting games of that era, involved no strategy or intelligence whatsoever. All you had to know was which incomprehensibly arcane series of buttons to press and when. That's it. Same goes for all that Mortal Kombat mastubating. It wasn't fighting, it was Simon with graphics.

So, because every fighting game didn't implement advanced strategic character control, they were all terrible? Hardly.

It was impossible to do that in those days. Street Fighter and the like were as good as it got for the genre back then. It's still fun to play, as "mindless" as it may be.

pre-1993 is retro?! GD I am old.... so sad, so very sad :(


oh, lets see....

My husband and I just sold our ATARI 2600, but we really liked Super Breakout, Pac Man, and Pillbox...

oh, we play Rampage on our PS2, I also have Sonic for it, and uh..... Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Pole Position, Hard Drivin' (which btw is how my husband learned to drive a stick shift, well, on the arcade version when he was a kid, but anyway)

oh, and Pong, but that was on my ATARI :(

oh, and Pong, but that was on my ATARI :(


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Sorry, couldn't resist.

Favorite retro game? Does Zelda: Ocarina of Time count? The original Virtua Fighter?

Phantasy Star?

*Gasps, pants, etc*

This thread has almost got me crying for my old computer...

But I can't believe I forgot classics like The Settlers, Sensible World of Soccer... umm ah dammit I had a great one but I've forgotten it.

Civilisation wise though - build loads of cities yeah, but spread them out. Put them in places with lots of natural bonuses. Make a settler pretty much the first thing you build in a new city, followed by two workers to follow him. Sure it's risky 'coz of bandits, but worth it if it works. And put your workers on auto - trust the computer it knows what it's doing better than you do lol.

And in general, get lots of science until you have a massive advcantage military-wise over your opponents; say, cavalry to their spearmen, or better still, modern armour. Then build up a huge army, ally with your victim, surround all their cities and blitzkrieg them into nothingness in a turn :D

And and monarchy sucks fierce ass. Republic, then democracy, possibly changing to communis, later on if your empire gets so huge that the corruption with democracy gets a problem on the fringes.

EDIT: Remebered it! Streets of Rage! *Cries tears of nostalgic joy*

Oooh, Wasteland was cool, although I never finished it.

I always preferred Burntime, but the two are quite different, although on the same kind of theme.

Civilisation wise though - build loads of cities yeah, but spread them out. Put them in places with lots of natural bonuses. Make a settler pretty much the first thing you build in a new city, followed by two workers to follow him. Sure it's risky 'coz of bandits, but worth it if it works. And put your workers on auto - trust the computer it knows what it's doing better than you do lol.

And in general, get lots of science until you have a massive advcantage military-wise over your opponents; say, cavalry to their spearmen, or better still, modern armour. Then build up a huge army, ally with your victim, surround all their cities and blitzkrieg them into nothingness in a turn :D

And and monarchy sucks fierce ass. Republic, then democracy, possibly changing to communis, later on if your empire gets so huge that the corruption with democracy gets a problem on the fringes.

:civ geek:

Monarchy is brilliant Troop-Support wise, if you want to do Military-Conquest, then go Monarchy<Fuedalism<Fascism | Or stay at either one as you prefer.

As for auto-workers, the computer rarely does a good job IME, it's best just to make the decisions yourself.

Another point is that Modern Armor has actually been known to have been defeated by Spearmen, so Location & Fortifications are your best bet. 2+ Spearmen per city will usually deter anyone from getting uppity.



EDIT: Remebered it! Streets of Rage! *Cries tears of nostalgic joy*

Very entertaining, that was.

:civ geek:

Monarchy is brilliant Troop-Support wise, if you want to do Military-Conquest, then go Monarchy<Fuedalism<Fascism | Or stay at either one as you prefer.

As for auto-workers, the computer rarely does a good job IME, it's best just to make the decisions yourself.

Another point is that Modern Armor has actually been known to have been defeated by Spearmen, so Location & Fortifications are your best bet. 2+ Spearmen per city will usually deter anyone from getting uppity.

Yeah, but it sucks everything else wise lol. Democracy is great, great happiness and production, and you don't have to worry about war weariness if all your wars are over in one turn :D

Odd about the workers though - they've always been great for me.

And modern armour still rawk sawks. And when you've got nine of them surrounding a city, ain't no number of spearmen gonna beat them off (no innuendo intended).

Oregon Trail

The Escape Velocity series - classic through to Nova. Just plain sexy.

*Gasps, pants, etc*

This thread has almost got me crying for my old computer...

But I can't believe I forgot classics like The Settlers, Sensible World of Soccer... umm ah dammit I had a great one but I've forgotten it.

Civilisation wise though - build loads of cities yeah, but spread them out. Put them in places with lots of natural bonuses. Make a settler pretty much the first thing you build in a new city, followed by two workers to follow him. Sure it's risky 'coz of bandits, but worth it if it works. And put your workers on auto - trust the computer it knows what it's doing better than you do lol.

And in general, get lots of science until you have a massive advcantage military-wise over your opponents; say, cavalry to their spearmen, or better still, modern armour. Then build up a huge army, ally with your victim, surround all their cities and blitzkrieg them into nothingness in a turn :D

And and monarchy sucks fierce ass. Republic, then democracy, possibly changing to communis, later on if your empire gets so huge that the corruption with democracy gets a problem on the fringes.

EDIT: Remebered it! Streets of Rage! *Cries tears of nostalgic joy*

I cant believe I forgot the settlers and SWOS either! I loved those games. still do infact although I cant get the multiplayer for the settlers working on my PC.

I think we can say civ is the best though, if only because this thread has become a civ help page. im gonna reinstall civ 4 now, I tried to play it when I saw the thread earlier and its gone tits up.

The original Duke Nukem or perhaps Tetris.

You have absolutely made my day.

No worries. I have it on my Zire 72 PDA so i can play it in the office :D

The Escape Velocity series - classic through to Nova. Just plain sexy.

Still play Nova. So much fun.

Oregon Trail


Oregon Trail 2 was ruddy brilliant, as was Warcraft 2.

Yeah, but it sucks everything else wise lol. Democracy is great, great happiness and production, and you don't have to worry about war weariness if all your wars are over in one turn

With Monarchy, you don't have to worry about wariness, and something like 5 units per city are paid gratis, instead of from your Treasury per turn. If you use a strong Economic/Infastructural Civilization, like the Romans or Greeks, you can literally own the Pangea/World with Monarchy/Fuedalism/Fascism.

Odd about the workers though - they've always been great for me.

I tend to be a micromanage whore, and when it comes to automation, they always f*ck something up.

And modern armour still rawk sawks. And when you've got nine of them surrounding a city, ain't no number of spearmen gonna beat them off (no innuendo intended).

Depends, there's a very high chance 3 spearmen could, in fact, beat an offensive from 9 - seperate - Modern Armor units. However, were the spearmen to unfortify and go on the offensive, there's no question, the Armors would demolish them.

With Monarchy, you don't have to worry about wariness, and something like 5 units per city are paid gratis, instead of from your Treasury per turn. If you use a strong Economic/Infastructural Civilization, like the Romans or Greeks, you can literally own the Pangea/World with Monarchy/Fuedalism/Fascism.

Meh - build Adam Smith's Trading Co. and money is the least of your worries - especially with all the production a Democracy creates.


I tend to be a micromanage whore, and when it comes to automation, they always f*ck something up.

Hehe, true - I get that from time to time, but still, they do a pretty good time usually.

Depends, there's a very high chance 3 spearmen could, in fact, beat an offensive from 9 - seperate - Modern Armor units. However, were the spearmen to unfortify and go on the offensive, there's no question, the Armors would demolish them.

Hmm... never happened to me so far - what difficulty are you playing on?

Meh - build Adam Smith's Trading Co. and money is the least of your worries - especially with all the production a Democracy creates.


Comes to late IMHO.



Hehe, true - I get that from time to time, but still, they do a pretty good time usually.

/shrug/ If you're looking to squeeze out that extra shield, or not waste a buttload of production with surplus' of food, the workers are your worst enemy.


Hmm... never happened to me so far - what difficulty are you playing on?

Monarch for fun, and Emperor if I want a challenge.

My favourite would probably be Scid The Dog

I always preferred Burntime, but the two are quite different, although on the same kind of theme.

I recall downloading it from The Underdogs, but I never got into it.

definetly GALAGA........
Finally!

Another point is that Modern Armor has actually been known to have been defeated by Spearmen, so Location & Fortifications are your best bet. 2+ Spearmen per city will usually deter anyone from getting uppity.
Very entertaining, that was.

Modern Armor losing to Spearmen? :eek: Ya need to build some artillery! :D

Could it be that you mean "Bubble Bobble"?

I'd say Dani Bunten's M.U.L.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.U.L.E.) is one of the best. Will Wright dedicated The Sims to her memory.
I liked M.U.L.E. a lot. So much that I stopped reading the thread here.

Scorched Earth was fun, too.

I played an unreasonable amount of Zork. I'm sure that's been mentioned a few dozen times by now. And Rogue.

I like the Vectrex games: Tempest, Battlezone, Red Baron. Whatever that knight sword fighting game that you looked top down on was called.

There was this kick ass game that was a jet cycle race that I only got to play once that I dug. The 'ridable' Space Harrier was fun.

Pinbot.

Race Drivin' was fun.

Joust remains all kinds of fun to this day.

1942.

One of the original top-down plane shooters.Ah, the quarters I fed into that machine.
Yet another thing we have in common. That and Aero Fighters led me to start imagining what the defense planning comittee meeting was like for the places we where attacking...

"We don't need manuverablity. Hundreds and hundreds of drones will just fly in formation towards the invader and lob a projectile at him. If they get past the first wave of that, we'll send slightly bigger craft to fly in formation and lob a handfull of projectiles. The real money goes into four or five of these big ass things. See, these arms flail about flinging projetctiles. If they're getting damaged they'll flash...What?...Yeah, I guess the attacker could know he was hitting something valuble if it started flashing, but he'll be too busy dodging the flailing arms and projectiles to notice. Besides, if they blow up the flailing arms there is a fire spitting turret underneath it. I'm telling you, it's fool proof!"

No it didn't. Street Fighter, along with all of the fighting games of that era, involved no strategy or intelligence whatsoever. All you had to know was which incomprehensibly arcane series of buttons to press and when. That's it. Same goes for all that Mortal Kombat mastubating. It wasn't fighting, it was Simon with graphics.
You're thinking of Dragonslayer.

I used to work 'combo' fighters like they was a ho holdin' out on me. I didn't use very many 'special moves' either. You had to out think the dude next to you instead of the machine, who was always easy to outthink. That made the game, and ones like it, exciting. Any yutz you tried to do the Simon routine at least in my arcades would get beaten too fast to even bother with the smack talk.

I'm not a huge fan of fighters, but I give them thier due.

Yet another thing we have in common. That and Aero Fighters led me to start imagining what the defense planning comittee meeting was like for the places we where attacking...

"We don't need manuverablity. Hundreds and hundreds of drones will just fly in formation towards the invader and lob a projectile at him. If they get past the first wave of that, we'll send slightly bigger craft to fly in formation and lob a handfull of projectiles. The real money goes into four or five of these big ass things. See, these arms flail about flinging projetctiles. If they're getting damaged they'll flash...What?...Yeah, I guess the attacker could know he was hitting something valuble if it started flashing, but he'll be too busy dodging the flailing arms and projectiles to notice. Besides, if they blow up the flailing arms there is a fire spitting turret underneath it. I'm telling you, it's fool proof!"
Yeah, but still, nothing compares to Combat, the feeling of spinning your opponent's tank around, and hitting it again and again and again before it can recover. And when you're on the receiving end, there's no greater feeling of impotence in gaming.

Yeah, but still, nothing compares to Combat, the feeling of spinning your opponent's tank around, and hitting it again and again and again before it can recover. And when you're on the receiving end, there's no greater feeling of impotence in gaming.
Quality. Though in those I was usually on the wrong end of the bitch slap...

Modern Armor losing to Spearmen? :eek: Ya need to build some artillery! :D

Its just a flaw, they used a random probability that uses the off/def values of both; leaving a minute chance of Modern Armor indeed loosing to Fortified ( +50% ) in Cities (Another 50%) Spearmen (2 def).

Artillery generally is a waste of time/shields, unless you prepared mass amounts and spread 'em to all your cities.

Quality. Though in those I was usually on the wrong end of the bitch slap...
Me too, but I twisted many a handle off an Atari controller trying to get out of that situation. The worst was the maze game, where the other guy would pull off a lucky ass, 15 rebound shot that just pegged you and you couldn't get out.

Me too, but I twisted many a handle off an Atari controller trying to get out of that situation. The worst was the maze game, where the other guy would pull off a lucky ass, 15 rebound shot that just pegged you and you couldn't get out.
I was always going for the megabanked shot, probably the cause of my downfalls...

This is a thread discussing and debating what is the BEST retro game! Any game made before 1993 (give or take) can be considered retro.

I'm going to have to go with the Quest For Glory series. Classic action, good story lines, good puzzles, and I love the mixed in comedy. Especially the Three Stooges parody in the first one.
for the Platform systems?
Final Fantasy
Phantasy Star II
Wizardry
Tecmo Bowl
Metal Gear
Dungeons and Dragons: Children of the Eternal Sun
Might and Magic (also would fit for the PC games)

For the Computers
Spaceward Ho!
Lords of the Realm
Leisure Suit Larry
The Laura Bow Series
Ultima

Viva la Galaga!

Modern Armor losing to Spearmen? :eek: Ya need to build some artillery! :D
in the original Civilizations game, I've seen Aircraft carriers being sunk by Canoes. :D

:headbang:
Forgot to add Civilization to my list...

also the real classics for the Atari... Pitfall, Pacman, Adventure, Combat...

then there's the coin operated games...
Extermination
1941
Battlezone (better than the platform ones anyway...)
Cadash

hmmm.... wonder if my Atari 2600 still works...:rolleyes:

Alley Cat! http://www.mobygames.com/game/atari-8-bit/alley-cat
Shadow of the Beast! http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/shadow-of-the-beast

computer games have ruined society. video games have casued people to not know the difference between real life and fantasy. they have destroyed communication ways. video games should be banned.

This is a thread discussing and debating what is the BEST retro game! Any game made before 1993 (give or take) can be considered retro.

I'm going to have to go with the Quest For Glory series. Classic action, good story lines, good puzzles, and I love the mixed in comedy. Especially the Three Stooges parody in the first one.

OMG the quest for Glory series ruled. In the 2nd Quest for Glory i ended up scoring the perfect 300 and i was given the flame sword. I then transported my hero over to QfG 3 and i was owning with that flame sword. My hero was a mage to so he wasn't suppose to be good at combat, but with that sword..dam!

computer games have ruined society. video games have casued people to not know the difference between real life and fantasy. they have destroyed communication ways. video games should be banned.

Oh the irony...

computer games have ruined society. video games have casued people to not know the difference between real life and fantasy. they have destroyed communication ways. video games should be banned.
They haff a place for people like yah, they call it "Drugs Rehabillitation Unit"

Anyway, Metroid is the finest retro game I know of

computer games have ruined society. video games have casued people to not know the difference between real life and fantasy. they have destroyed communication ways. video games should be banned.

I like you. You're funny.

crystal castles

all you people and your fancy schmancy graphics....

zork. planetfall. all you need is your blinking DOS prompt and your trusty lantern, lest you get eaten by a grue.


okay, i'll confess that i had an atari 2600. adventure was the best. maybe too easy, but it had that cool screen you could find if you collected all the items and dropped them behind the blinking wall...

all you people and your fancy schmancy graphics....

zork. planetfall. all you need is your blinking DOS prompt and your trusty lantern, lest you get eaten by a grue.


I would have said ADOM, but it's post-1993 despite having ASCII graphics.

Its just a flaw, they used a random probability that uses the off/def values of both; leaving a minute chance of Modern Armor indeed loosing to Fortified ( +50% ) in Cities (Another 50%) Spearmen (2 def).

Artillery generally is a waste of time/shields, unless you prepared mass amounts and spread 'em to all your cities.

Artillery a waste of time? Heck no! So long as you can airlift/RR them into the crisis zone, just stack 3 or so, protect them with a couple rifleman/infantry type units, and blast away at the city until they're no longer fortified. :D

Not sure how old these are - I was only five in 1993, so wasn't around to play anything really old.

Cannon Fodder
Doom
Blake Stone
Zone 66

Best of all - Freeski!

computer games have ruined society. video games have casued people to not know the difference between real life and fantasy. they have destroyed communication ways. video games should be banned.
Can we kill him?

Can we kill him?
Somehow, I doubt it would stop him. People like that have a habit of respawning on you and reporting you to the GMs for abusive behaviour.

no i'm not. all that stuff sucks when you compare it to something as great as oblivian.

I've had that argument on the Oblivion boards many times. I've already stopped playing Oblivion because it's so shallow.

I would count something like Fallout as a much deeper and more involving RPG. The choices you make in Fallout actually matter, unlike in Oblivion, which is really just a very detailed 3D playground.

So, my choices for best retro-games are two tile-based RPGs from the '80s - Wasteland and Questron. Sure, neither of them is as good as Ultima IV, V, or VII, but they get less mention in threads like this one, so there they are. Track 'em down if you can.

For 3D, nothing for me matches the wonder that was Ultima Underworld, a game that predated both Wolf3D and Doom, and yet had a far more impressive 3D environment.

Super Mario World (SNES)

Duck Hunt (SNES)

Legend of Zelda (NES)

Sonic 1&2 (Sega Genesis)

Those are my clasic favorits....

Tetris or Montezuma's Revenge (the game, not the explosive diarrhea).

I've had that argument on the Oblivion boards many times. I've already stopped playing Oblivion because it's so shallow.

Personally I haven't stopped playing *yet*, but it's getting close. Sure it's nice, but that's about it.

Seriously, aside from the graphics, what is really so much better about Oblivion?

for computer, I like:
Dune
Sword of the Samurai
Pirates Gold
Darklands
Civilization

also:
Sonic for Genesis
Super Mario 3 for NES
RoadBlasters or pinball machines in the arcade

computer games have ruined society. video games have casued people to not know the difference between real life and fantasy. they have destroyed communication ways. video games should be banned.

Party pooper! :p

Anyways...I am ashamed of all of you...nobody mentioned the game with the BEST explosions of all time.

Gunstar Heroes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunstar_Heroes)

Archon
Bionic Commando
Bubble Bobble
Castelvania 1-3
Final Fantasy
Metroid
Ninja Gaiden 1-3
River City Ransom
Tecmo Super Bowl
The Legend of Zelda

Just to name a few. :)

I just remembered another true classic: Populous :D

(Bullfrog? Didn't they also make Syndicate?)

I don't know about best, but my favorite was the old star wars arcade with the cheap polygon outline graphics. I love that thing. One of these days I'm going to pick one up on eBay or something.

Oh, and Elevator Action!

for computer, I like:
Dune
Sword of the Samurai
Pirates Gold
Darklands
Civilization


Sword of the Samurai was awesome. I should have mentioned it myself.


(Bullfrog? Didn't they also make Syndicate?)

Yup.

Crap! I forgot about my three favorite 8-bit NES games!

Nobunaga's Ambition (KOEI, who now do the Dynasty Warriors series)
Conflict (by Vic Tokai)
Super Tecmo Bowl

The first two ate up many hours as I learned the nuances of strategy and tactics. The third was the last of the really playable footbal sims -- all the Madden and 2K nonsense requires far too much dexterity for an old fart like me. If I gotta press more than three buttons during a play, it's too damned complex.

And I'll backtrack on the fighting games a bit. I loved one of the very early ones, Karate Champ. Two sticks, eight directions each. That's about as many combinations as I can keep track of. Once I saw the six buttons and the apocryphal combinations they made with joystick directions (like Mortal Kumquat), I knew I was teched out of an entire genre, and I didn't care.

X-Com UFO defense or fallout 2 for sure :D

okay, i'll confess that i had an atari 2600. adventure was the best. maybe too easy, but it had that cool screen you could find if you collected all the items and dropped them behind the blinking wall...
I have the labyrinths of adventure burnt in my cerebral cortex. Not too long ago I played it on an emulator after a pause of 14 years and I could remember them perfectly.

I have the labyrinths of adventure burnt in my cerebral cortex. Not too long ago I played it on an emulator after a pause of 14 years and I could remember them perfectly.
Don't you wish that the other stuff you tried to remember 'cause it was important wouldn't take so long to memorize?

Tecmo Bowl

Keen was great, very great. So was Monkey Island (first). Day of the Tentacle, Maniac Mansion, all of these were god-like.