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Cab drivers of Muslim religious persuasion have been refusing to carry passengers who are transporting alcohol. Personally I think if your religion gets in the way of your job, convert, quit, or just eat a bullet. Anyone so devoted to their religion that they feel they must impose it on others to the point of being unable to work is a liability to society.

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S15837.html?cat=1

I agree. Same goes to the pharmacists who are refusing to sell birth control pills.

I agree. Same goes to the pharmacists who are refusing to sell birth control pills.
Yeah, and the FDA who have banned over the counter sales of Plan B birth control pills. They state the prevention of "teen sex cults" as a reason why, but we all know the real reason. The bible belt is afraid of penises and vaginas.

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzfda244715237apr24,0,876169,print.story

Cab drivers of Muslim religious persuasion have been refusing to carry passengers who are transporting alcohol. Personally I think if your religion gets in the way of your job, convert, quit, or just eat a bullet. Anyone so devoted to their religion that they feel they must impose it on others to the point of being unable to work is a liability to society.

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S15837.html?cat=1

What about closet creationists working in biology?

How does transporting someone elses alcohol conflict with Muslims religious beliefs?

There's this idea nowadays that people should pay you for doing whatever you want.

Yeah, and the FDA who have banned over the counter sales of Plan B birth control pills. They state the prevention of "teen sex cults" as a reason why, but we all know the real reason. The bible belt is afraid of penises and vaginas.

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzfda244715237apr24,0,876169,print.story

What the hell is a 'Teen Sex Cult'? And why can't I find any?

Yeah, and the FDA who have banned over the counter sales of Plan B birth control pills. They state the prevention of "teen sex cults" as a reason why, but we all know the real reason. The bible belt is afraid of penises and vaginas.

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzfda244715237apr24,0,876169,print.story

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

What about closet creationists working in biology?

What about them?

What the hell is a 'Teen Sex Cult'? And why can't I find any?
You can't find one because the FDA is bravely protecting you from them by banning easy access to safe contraception.

You can't find one because the FDA is bravely protecting you from them by banning easy access to safe contraception.

But I'm a British Citizen dammit! I demand my Sex Cults!

What the hell is a 'Teen Sex Cult'? And why can't I find any?

Try checking in your local church. :fluffle:

Idiots. why the hell is it that these muslims want to force islamic morals on everyone?

Try checking in your local church. :fluffle:

Those are Pre-teen Sex Cults. :p

Idiots. why the hell is it that these muslims want to force islamic morals on everyone?

It seems that there are douchebags everywhere.

Those are Pre-teen Sex Cults. :p


Oh, my mistake.

I can't stop laughing: "teen sex cults" as a reason to ban over-the-counter medication. Here, let me put on my black fuck-me bracelet; who wants to start a teen sex cult? xD

Idiots. why the hell is it that these muslims want to force islamic morals on everyone?

Wise man once say:

Idiots come in all shapes, colours and religions

Those are Pre-teen Sex Cults. :p

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And that just replaced the Clown in my nightmares...

How does transporting someone elses alcohol conflict with Muslims religious beliefs?

Well, if the koran says that alcohol is bad, then people who drink it are sinners. They don't want to carry sinners.

Simon Heller, one of the attorneys, plans to quiz Woodcock on a March 23, 2004, staff memo suggesting she was concerned Plan B might lead to teenage promiscuity.

I think they've got the chicken and the egg mixed up.
The problem (?) of teenage promiscuity is already there, the pill is a proposed solution to it from what I see. Besdies, if a girl is actually promiscuous, it's more likely she'd be on the actual birth control pill, the one you take daily, not using this stupid thing.
This pill seems more a solution to dealing with girls who might've had a condom slip, or forgot the condom in a drunken stupor, etc, not a method of birth control for slutty chicks.
If I'm wrong. Blah.


And along the lines of Muslim taxi drivers: They shouldn't be imposing their beliefs on others. Just because they think it's a sin, doesn't mean thier passengers do, or should abide by their beliefs. Freedom of religion, no?

Cab drivers of Muslim religious persuasion have been refusing to carry passengers who are transporting alcohol. Personally I think if your religion gets in the way of your job, convert, quit, or just eat a bullet. Anyone so devoted to their religion that they feel they must impose it on others to the point of being unable to work is a liability to society.

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S15837.html?cat=1
What about ham? Can I get away with it? :p

P.S. Woodcock? :eek: :D

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And that just replaced the Clown in my nightmares...

For now. ;)

I remember a case in 2004, about doctors refusing to treat gays because of their religion. I remember reading that and being appaled at the closed mindeness of the very people who are considered some of the most educated of society. To be hindered from doing their work by religious beliefs. I'm just tired of people hiding behind their religion, it'd be just better off if they just came clean and said that they're grossed out by people's actions instead of playing the morality card.


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Cab drivers of Muslim religious persuasion have been refusing to carry passengers who are transporting alcohol. Personally I think if your religion gets in the way of your job, convert, quit, or just eat a bullet. Anyone so devoted to their religion that they feel they must impose it on others to the point of being unable to work is a liability to society.

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S15837.html?cat=1
Or just lose business?

Well, if the koran says that alcohol is bad, then people who drink it are sinners. They don't want to carry sinners.

But that's still just their own dumb opinion. As far as I know, there is no Koran law about transporting sinners from point A to point B. And if there were, well, hell, 90% of these guys' fares have always been sinners, even without carrying alcohol, so whats this sudden problem?

Cab drivers of Muslim religious persuasion have been refusing to carry passengers who are transporting alcohol. Personally I think if your religion gets in the way of your job, convert, quit, or just eat a bullet. Anyone so devoted to their religion that they feel they must impose it on others to the point of being unable to work is a liability to society.

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S15837.html?cat=1
Why? The cab driver is the on who faces the economic consequences of their decision. If they are willing to decline a fare because their religious beliefs, it shouldn't be a problem, as long as it does not amount to an effective denial of service (such as if they are the only cab driver in town) or as long as it does not amount to discrimination in other forms.

Why? The cab driver is the on who faces the economic consequences of their decision. If they are willing to decline a fare because their religious beliefs, it shouldn't be a problem, as long as it does not amount to an effective denial of service (such as if they are the only cab driver in town) or as long as it does not amount to discrimination in other forms.
Yeah, and the customer in the story faced having to go from cab to cab and being ignored by the drivers. Would you be so accomodating to the cab drivers if they were discriminating based on race rather than religion?

Yeah, and the FDA who have banned over the counter sales of Plan B birth control pills. They state the prevention of "teen sex cults" as a reason why, but we all know the real reason. The bible belt is afraid of penises and vaginas.

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzfda244715237apr24,0,876169,print.story

There's only one thing to do: Start gay teen sex cults. No one needs "Plan B" for those. That'll learn'em!

It's not really so much Religion as much self-importance in general (of which Religions are, typically, full, of course). People have this idea that they know what people should and should not be doing going by their own standards and therefore have the authority to deny services to those who do not adhere to those standards.

One does not need to be sticking to the letter of a religion in order to do this.

Yeah, and the FDA who have banned over the counter sales of Plan B birth control pills. They state the prevention of "teen sex cults" as a reason why, but we all know the real reason. The bible belt is afraid of penises and vaginas.

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzfda244715237apr24,0,876169,print.story

No, that's not the real reason. The real reason is because the US government wants an army of poor, disgruntled children who are the result of teen pregnancy.

No, that's not the real reason. The real reason is because the US government wants an army of poor, disgruntled children who are the result of teen pregnancy.
So why not just go all the way and give the Teen Sex Cults a part of the national budget?

So why not just go all the way and give the Teen Sex Cults a part of the national budget?

Because that would be too obvious.

Many cab drivers are selective as to their faires. Some won't pick up black folks, some won't go to the Bronx, etc. Sometimes the reasons are personal, sometimes the reasons are religious (for example: Christian cabbies who won't transport prostitutes), and sometimes it's just a simple matter of there being an unwritten law in the United States code of business ethics that goes: I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

No business is under any obligation whatsoever to serve you. Cab drivers, wait staff, dry cleaners, plumbers, and every other blue collar working stiff are not slaves to the whim of you and your dollar.

Workers Unite! If you don't like 'em, don't serve 'em!

Many cab drivers are selective as to their faires. Some won't pick up black folks, some won't go to the Bronx, etc. Sometimes the reasons are personal, sometimes the reasons are religious (for example: Christian cabbies who won't transport prostitutes), and sometimes it's just a simple matter of there being an unwritten law in the United States code of business ethics that goes: I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

No business is under any obligation whatsoever to serve you. Cab drivers, wait staff, dry cleaners, plumbers, and every other blue collar working stiff are not slaves to the whim of you and your dollar.

Workers Unite! If you don't like 'em, don't serve 'em!
Well that's just fucked up. Unless you're making an ass of yourself or messing up the cab, the driver should accept your business. I'm sure the drivers of those cabs wouldn't be too happy if a bunch of businesses in the area had a "no Muslims allowed" rule.

Many cab drivers are selective as to their faires. Some won't pick up black folks, some won't go to the Bronx, etc. Sometimes the reasons are personal, sometimes the reasons are religious (for example: Christian cabbies who won't transport prostitutes), and sometimes it's just a simple matter of there being an unwritten law in the United States code of business ethics that goes: I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

No business is under any obligation whatsoever to serve you. Cab drivers, wait staff, dry cleaners, plumbers, and every other blue collar working stiff are not slaves to the whim of you and your dollar.

Workers Unite! If you don't like 'em, don't serve 'em!

So, it's OK for doctors to refuse treatment to gays? OK to refuse service on the grounds of race? Religion? "Sorry, no sandniggers!"

So, it's OK for doctors to refuse treatment to gays? OK to refuse service on the grounds of race?

Doctors are a different story. They take an oath. I do not believe cab drivers take an oath. Refusing service based on race is done all the time in the US. Sometimes it comes to national attention, such as the Denny's debacle a few years back.

When it comes to national attention, corporate offices often do something about it. However, there is nothing illegal about refusing service based on race. A privately owned business is just that: private. A business may not discriminate in its hiring policy, but as to whom it serves ... well ....

Unless you're making an ass of yourself or messing up the cab, the driver should accept your business.

Why? Why should people be slaves? Why should people allow themselves to be put into servantile positions, catering to the whim of whomever has $20, and leaving their own moral judgement and standards at home? People have the right to religion, they have the right to practice said religion, and they have the right to refuse to be around anyone who would spit on said religion. This doesn't stop the cab company owner from firing said cab driver, but it is well within the rights of the cab driver to not pick up someone.

I'm sure the drivers of those cabs wouldn't be too happy if a bunch of businesses in the area had a "no Muslims allowed" rule.

I'm sure they wouldn't and I'm sure it would make the news, followed subsequently by discussion on NS General.

I'm sorry, DCD, but people do have the right to be offended and people have the right to speak out against those that offend them and they also have the right not to serve those who offend them. Such is the price of freedom.

Why? Why should people be slaves? Why should people allow themselves to be put into servantile positions, catering to the whim of whomever has $20, and leaving their own moral judgement and standards at home? People have the right to religion, they have the right to practice said religion, and they have the right to refuse to be around anyone who would spit on said religion. This doesn't stop the cab company owner from firing said cab driver, but it is well within the rights of the cab driver to not pick up someone.



I'm sure they wouldn't and I'm sure it would make the news, followed subsequently by discussion on NS General.

I'm sorry, DCD, but people do have the right to be offended and people have the right to speak out against those that offend them and they also have the right not to serve those who offend them. Such is the price of freedom.
I guess so, but it seems fucked up to me.

Doctors are a different story. They take an oath. I do not believe cab drivers take an oath. Refusing service based on race is done all the time in the US. Sometimes it comes to national attention, such as the Denny's debacle a few years back.

You sign a contract to work and offer service, and that's more than an oath.

When it comes to national attention, corporate offices often do something about it. However, there is nothing illegal about refusing service based on race. A privately owned business is just that: private. A business may not discriminate in its hiring policy, but as to whom it serves ... well ....

*thanks Swedish overlords for making our law better*

I guess so, but it seems fucked up to me.

Aye, and it's not a decision I'd personally make. Hell, so long as you weren't brandishing a gun and holding a sign that said, "Kill all Cabbies!" I'd pick you up.

But, then ... I wouldn't impose my morals on anyone. On the faire or on the cabbie.

Because that would be too obvious.
Is that a problem when it's what a reasonable amount of the populace want anyway?

You sign a contract to work and offer service, and that's more than an oath.

I'm not too sure about that either. I'm not sure how the cabbie system works around here. I know it's all city regulated, etc etc. Nothing much on State or Federal levels. Guess I'll have to look that up.

I'm pretty sure, however, that it falls under having the right to refuse service. Doctors actually have that in the US, too. It's called a "referral".

*thanks Swedish overlords for making our law better*

Meh. I'd rather hold on to my right to refuse service.

I'm not too sure about that either. I'm not sure how the cabbie system works around here. I know it's all city regulated, etc etc. Nothing much on State or Federal levels. Guess I'll have to look that up.

I'm pretty sure, however, that it falls under having the right to refuse service. Doctors actually have that in the US, too. It's called a "referral".

If I understand correctly, "the right to refuse service" is not absolute in the US. "No niggers!" signs on your shop are pretty illegal, I believe.

Meh. I'd rather hold on to my right to refuse service.

Well, it's all about how much you tolerate as a society, and if you put demands on those working within your market to respect democratic values.

Is that a problem when it's what a reasonable amount of the populace want anyway?
The government won't implement it, cos there'd be a generation of people jealous of their lucky children who get government funded sex cults. Though it's not like sex cults need much money. Condoms, check. Cultists, check. Wewt, let's get to sexing.

And a room with decent heating, of course. Pricey in the wintertime.

And a room with decent heating, of course. Pricey in the wintertime.
Pfft, get enough people and they'll generate enough heat to cover the electric bill, and then some.

Pfft, get enough people and they'll generate enough heat to cover the electric bill, and then some.
Or sell the rights to videotape and photograph the session and you can afford the rent and make a profit.

Or sell the rights to videotape and photograph the session and you can afford the rent and make a profit.
And still have enough lesft over to make the authorities legalise those tapes and pictures, but no others of their kind. Thus pre-eliminating the competition.

But I'm a British Citizen dammit! I demand my Sex Cults!

Don't worry. Being in Britain, you'll find many teenagers are sexually active before the ages of 16, despite laws against it and irrespective of the availability of contraception, religious beliefs etc.

Just give them the damn contraception, dammit! If you can't stop them, at least stop them from contracting STIs or getting pregnant!

Off-topic (slightly) I remember hearing somewhere that the average age for losing your virginity in Britain is... 13, I think, three years below the legal age, while in places where the legal age is lower (14-ish) the average age is around 17. Interesting.

Idiots. why the hell is it that these muslims want to force islamic morals on everyone?

The same could be said for Christianity. In fact, anywhere where the majority of the population is of a particular religion, you'll find them imposing thei morals and beliefs on others who aren't of their religon.

Don't worry. Being in Britain, you'll find many teenagers are sexually active before the ages of 16, despite laws against it and irrespective of the availability of contraception, religious beliefs etc.

Just give them the damn contraception, dammit! If you can't stop them, at least stop them from contracting STIs or getting pregnant!

Off-topic (slightly) I remember hearing somewhere that the average age for losing your virginity in Britain is... 13, I think, three years below the legal age, while in places where the legal age is lower (14-ish) the average age is around 17. Interesting.

On the topic of unavailability of contraception it's a rather popular tale in Ireland that some teenagers use empty crisp packets in lieu of condoms. This is just such a terrible idea, on so many levels.

If I understand correctly, "the right to refuse service" is not absolute in the US. "No niggers!" signs on your shop are pretty illegal, I believe.


Well, no, as "No niggers!" would be inciting a riot and that is illegal. What is not illegal, however, is hating black people and it's even not illegal to close and lock your shop doors if you see a black person approaching. We cannot legislate hate. We can't force people who to love or who to hate.

Well, it's all about how much you tolerate as a society, and if you put demands on those working within your market to respect democratic values.

Aye ... and the demand is there, but from grass roots efforts. For example, Denny's didn't post public apologies and press releases and take disciplinary action because they were legally obligated to, but rather because of the massive public outrage at the way minorities were treated at some of their restaurants.

Corporations here cater to the money, not to morality.

I agree. Same goes to the pharmacists who are refusing to sell birth control pills.

I know. Just like the idiots who ban stem cell research because they think stem cells only come from newborn fetuses. Obviously they are very ignorrant and they have no clue as to where you can obtain stem cells from. For instance, your nose generates new cells for your nose, and those cells are stem cells. Seriously though, religion and science don't mix.

On the topic of unavailability of contraception it's a rather popular tale in Ireland that some teenagers use empty crisp packets in lieu of condoms. This is just such a terrible idea, on so many levels.
How on earth do the guys manage to persuade their partners to allow that? I would have thought it unbelievably painful to have crisp packets with sharp edges involved...

Yeah, and the customer in the story faced having to go from cab to cab and being ignored by the drivers. Would you be so accomodating to the cab drivers if they were discriminating based on race rather than religion?

I said that I would not tolerate it if it amounted to an effective denial of service (i.e. a significant number of cab drivers won't take the person) or if it amounted to actual discrimination, which it does not in this case.

No, that's not the real reason. The real reason is because the US government wants an army of poor, disgruntled children who are the result of teen pregnancy.

Yeah. It'll replace all the illegals they don't want to let in.

Yeah. It'll replace all the illegals they don't want to let in.If that's the general idea, isn't the "3 strike" thing somewhat counter productive? - Or are weedsmokers, graffiti artists, bad drivers & poor disgruntled youths not the same as poor disgruntled youths in the states? :confused:

Cab drivers of Muslim religious persuasion have been refusing to carry passengers who are transporting alcohol. Personally I think if your religion gets in the way of your job, convert, quit, or just eat a bullet. Anyone so devoted to their religion that they feel they must impose it on others to the point of being unable to work is a liability to society.

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S15837.html?cat=1

I agree that religion can somtimes get in the way of work i don't agree with the cab drivers not carrying people who have acohol becasue if they have it they've likly drank some and are probibly to drunk to drvie home there putting the rest of us in danger but not carrying them.
I don't belive that religon should be imposed on others, but don't do somthing that is agasint your religion

This is one of the number one reasons I hate religion. Religious folk tend to act like everyone else in society does or at least should follow their moral code.